JOB 38

 Click here: Here is an interesting thesis of Noah's description of the flood and the eastern Mediterranean deluge.

Job 38 could very well relate to the Mediterranean deluge and provides a glimpse of submerged Eden changed from clay above water to a seal (submerged), a possible sign that has been set for a future point of mans destiny.  I have to say it has been an exhilarating experience discovering this huge reference to what is going on at this time.

Please note this has to be further refined and improved.

38:1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, out of whirlwind?  interesting, is that a device? or is it simply a transmutation of an Angels body in such a way that can seen by man and takes a form of a whirlwind?

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?  Who speaks without research and study into the matter...in all the books

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answerthou me. This is a test of mans soul and how receptive he his to Eden..  Its a test of faith in the scriptures as well.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast  understanding. Do you know where my foundations exist, Have you researched everything about 1st Eden have you considered all things....1Eden of Cyprus.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?  (The Ark of his testament)

6 Whereupon are the foundations  thereof fastened? or  who laid the corner stone thereof; (reference to Eden, where ark of his testament exist.  the cornerstone of our ancient past.)

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (when there was harmony and balance in the heavens The Angels gathered in the garden of Eden.  Adam and Eve where the answer but they failed.)  

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, (Mediterranean with Gibraltar dammed)  when it brake forth, (Describes the Gibraltar Dam break, water flooding in) as if it had issued out of the womb? (The Atlantic Gushing in the Mediterranean basin)  

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, (Describing the thick cloud as the air rises) and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, (The thick cloud creating great darkness and a easterly wind going before the flood waters/tsunami)

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, (Broke up his decreed place 1st Garden of Eden, the garden land)  and set bars and doors, (And flooded it and shut it down)

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed? (This tells that the submerged garden land must be close to eastern shoreline at the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, the fullest extent of the deluge. Lebanese coast.)  

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; (Held in memory and preserved in our writings in different cultures by the collaboration of both man and angels for this purpose.)

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (Used for future time in connection to a judgment day, its the connection, the realization of a distant event connected for a future event thats related to the destiny of mankind and its related of the coast of Cyprus.)  

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. (It is a seal and has been preserved over the eons of time and has been broken or loosened by its discovery and significance.)  15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. (speaks about judgement, the purpose of the discovery, a direct message.)  

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? (Telling us to look under the ocean, Referring to diving at the location of 1st Eden.) or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? (Have you looked under the ocean?  Here is a pointer to the physical location of 1st Eden.  The seal, a clue where it is.) (Now referring to the physical aspects of the location of 1st Eden, his cornerstone)

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? (speaks about the actual Gibraltar break thus confirming the discovery of Atlantis hypothesis)  or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? (Another reference to the Gibraltar dam break again lending support to the thesis)   It also has a spiritual metaphor as well and its a veiled warning to man??  think about it on how the prophets use the Gibraltar break image.

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. (Describes the extent of the flooding and questions mankind and his very temporal knowledge and memory.  Challenging man do you know about this place without researching all things and considering all things.)

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? (referring to 1stEden and what it represents physically and spiritually referring to its associated knowledge The Urantia Book, the new book.)  and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, (Where is Eden? in a place of darkness submerged under the ocean. speaking about it in the physical sense.)   Again the book and the discovery...and all to the other sevenfold books.

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, (The God should lead us there!!!! to the boundaries of Eden, I like that one....Absolutely..100% through The Urantia Book. and physically by a R.O.V. or a submarine.  That thou shouldest "take it" to the bound..  Take it an object. An R.O.V..  God leading man to God.) Egyptian book of the dead "Cast Light"   job 28  Seven path temple direction and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? Egyptian Book of the Dead "Holy Paths"  "Entrances of thy Paths" "The Essenes Jesus papers The Seven paths confirmation"  (That God  should lead us there even to the house, his first house, spiritually through the Sevenfold instruction and  physically, to the acropolis hill or the holy mountain.  And the referring to the Seven paths.) the paths Isaiah 58

 21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great? (Challenging man do you know about this mystery?) God challenging man and his limited knowledge.  Have you been around for all these years to witness all this.  You would have to live for time eternity to know about this)  

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, (Job has seen a glimpse of the knowledge what happened and now is seeing it in the future of what is reserved, perhaps?)

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war? (speaking about the end time, judgement day, 1st Eden is all related to it.)  (The following referring to the Mediterranean deluge)

24 By what way is the light parted,  (Towards the East of Gibraltar. Becomes dark as the waters of the Atlantis flood in, flooding ensues) which scattereth the east wind upon the earth? (As the Mediterranean floods a huge wind going to the east is created going before the tsunami waves.)

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, (Direct reference to Gibraltar when it was closed and a river ran through the middle of it as the Gibraltar dam snapped the river in half it overflowed with the in rush of the Atlantic into the Mediterranean basin.)  or a way for the lightning of thunder; (Huge thunder proceeding the flooding tsunamis as the the Gibraltar isthmus snapped apart)

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man; (Causing huge rains within the Mediterranean basin where there existed dry desert canyons and salt flats, climate change.)

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth? (causing climate change where there were deserts have now rain)

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it? (Another reflection of the Gilbraltar break.)

In the following reference again to the stone

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, (Egyptian book of the dead  job 28 Daniel 2 The acropolis Hill, The holy mountain this is where the stone is The Ark of His Testament , Job is revealing the mystery through this chapter.  We can solve the mystery by The discovery of Eden.)  and the face of the deep is frozen. (Deeply submerged, 1 mile under the ocean) 

(In the following we enter in the understanding dimensions of space and greater knowledge about it of which The Father knows.  This I believe is related directly to the Sethite truth which has all to do with the seasons of the Stars. Not horoscopes and all that rubbish.  The stars are time markers and the patterns of the stars serves as a map or maps directly related to the 1st Eden.)

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?   [The Seal The Sphinx Riddle Is that like the loosening of the Seal, the Seventh Seal, the Sevenfold Mystery.]
Isaiah 58 "Loose the bands" parallel.

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? Mazzaroth  or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?   Acturus  http://www.crystalinks.com/arcturus.html  A relationship with the Processional Zodiac and its completion of a season and related to a depiction of Eden displayed in the stars by the constellation Acturus as shown below as a starmap.

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Is that to mean that the ordinances of the heaven and the positioning of constellation is indicative of its own season and are we in a end of a season of  completion as displayed in the Sphinx riddle related to administration of Heaven and Earth? which foretells and event that can be seen in the stars constellation relating to a completion of a precession zodiac cycle season which has to with the dominions of the Gods which includes the Earth a possibly adjustments?  Has a seal been broken?  I think so.

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee? Is this another subtle reference to the deluge of 1st Eden given a flood is mentioned,  given the description of a overwhelming flood  could mean the Garden of the Gods.  Note: in the last few verses we have a relationship between.  The constellation and its appearance that uncannily looks like the 1st Garden of Eden,

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are? In this verse we have an extension of the last with lightning included and direction.

Here is study on the Mazzeroth, Acturus and other parallels. 
The study contains just fragment discoveries and possible linkages.
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lets continue.

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? (God is directly revealing to us that he has hidden the Garden of Eden (wisdom) in the inner parts of the earth meaning submerged under the ocean preserved by the angels for discovery.) or who hath given understanding to the heart? (Or who has understand of the mystery from within and can work this  out through research and study. Mind you this is first time you are seeing this solved, this is the very first point of discovery of Eden in this chapter.)

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? (who can fathom wisdom and understand of all the components of this chapter? What a discovery, you have research all the books without any exclusivity to understand and to find this place. or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together? (hardened man, wont believe because of crystallized doctrine.)

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite  of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait? (Sounds like typical man.)

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

The Father here is revealing himself directly through this discovery of Eden and the Sevenfold truth.  Its a completion.

Lets see if we can find more sevenfold information.

Interesting link, another Sevenfold link and the Orion Constellation parallel.

http://www.earth-history.com/Babylon/myths/mba19.htm#fr_338

In the following are extract that I was drawn to.  By clicking to the following link you can browse the research of this great site.

This is shown clearly by the following pregnant extract from a Babylonian tablet: "Powerful, O Sevenfold, one are ye". Mr. L. W. King, the translator, comments upon it as follows: "There is no doubt that the name was applied to a group of gods who were so closely connected that, though addressed in the plural, they could in the same sentence be regarded as forming a single personality"

Perhaps the sanctity of Seven was suggested by Orion, the Bears, and the Pleiad, one of which constellations may have been the "Sevenfold" deity addressed as "one".

Tammuz may have been the "sevenfold one" of the hymns.

"Powerful, O sevenfold, one are ye", may have been a constellation consisting of seven stars. The worship of stars and planets, which were identified and named,

They distinguished them by no name or surname, for they were hitherto unacquainted with either; but they called them gods, which by its etymology means disposers, from observing the orderly disposition and distribution of the various parts of the universe. "The oldest deities are those which bore no individual names. They were simply "Fates" or groups called "Sevenfold".

317:1 As Nin-Girsu, Tammuz was associated with "sevenfold" Orion.

Like what I've been saying, mans destiny lays in the Sevenfold truth and the 1st Eden connection..

Additional websites I was drawn to in my search for Sevenfold.  In the following are extracts that I responded to. Note that the true Sevenfold truth was lost as the truth became dim as mentioned in the Urantia Book in the Babylonian times that's why The Melchizedek came to enliven the truth.  But note how sevenfold perpetuates to day through tradition of established religions in the area note they are one God religions.  ie Mecca the Kabah stone and revolving 7 times around the stone.

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/shambhala.html

In Babylon the main temple on the surface, housing the city's sovereign numen, had seven tiers. The Lord of the Jewish Temple on Zion had a septenary emblem. The resident god of Delphi was septenary in his own emblem and his ritual calendar. Mazes with magical centers, and complexities perhaps imitating the underworld, had a sevenfold path."

Hyperborean missionaries carried some of them south-westward. Wandering Indo-European tribes picked up fragments. Sumeria related the Bear to its own center of Nippur. Babylon's ziggurat imitated the sevenfold mountain. Presently the thought as the heart burst out again into new systems, such as Pythagoreanism and astrology."

then

http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstonegoddess.html

There were, in pagan times, seven priestesses at site of the Black Stone, who circled it seven times, naked. Today, the tawaf, the sevenfold counterclockwise circuit of the Ka'bah, is a memory of that ancient practice. But the older practice is itself a strong echo of the descent of the Sumerian goddess Inanna (and her Babylonian equivalent Ishtar) through the seven gates of the underworld, the gatekeepers demanding the removal of a garment at each gate until she stands naked before her elder sister Ereshkigal, 'Queen of the Great Earth', the goddess of death and the underworld. Another name for Ereshkigal is Allatu, 'the goddess', which is clearly an earlier form of Al'Lat/Alilat.

All this fits in well with Islamic and pagan Arab traditions concerning the Black Stone and its precincts. By word-play, the Beni Shaybah are at once the Sons of the Old Woman, the Sons of the Seven, and the Sons of the Oath; they are also the successors of the seven sky-clad servitors of Al'Lat, whose Babylonian predecessor ruled the sevenfold palace of the underworld; and of the seven Anunnaki.

a current perpetuation in Mecca.

Lets have a look at the Urantia Book (Sevenfold truth)

In the following is a word search on the Book of Job that reveals much.

The Urantia book and the Book of Job. Incredible!!   Just amazing.  I really thank the Father.

File name (modification date), and list of matched lines (preceded by line numbers)
 

CONTENTS OF THE BOOK, Aug 31 2001
 

• line 1649:      7. Psalms and the Book of Job

PAPER 95 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE LEVANT, Oct 19 2000
 

• line 44: It was the Salem missionaries of the period following the rejection of their teaching who wrote many of the Old Testament Psalms, inscribing them on stone, where later-day Hebrew priests found them during the captivity and subsequently incorporated them among the collection of hymns ascribed to Jewish authorship. These beautiful psalms from Babylon were not written in the temples of Bel-Marduk; they were the work of the descendants of the earlier Salem missionaries, and they are a striking contrast to the magical conglomerations of the Babylonian priests. The Book of Job is a fairly good reflection of the teachings of the Salem school at Kish and throughout Mesopotamia.

PAPER 96 - YAHWEH--GOD OF THE HEBREWS, Oct 19 2000
 

• line 128: 7. PSALMS AND THE BOOK OF JOB
• line 130: Under the leadership of their sheiks and priests the Hebrews became loosely established in Palestine. But they soon drifted back into the benighted beliefs of the desert and became contaminated with the less advanced Canaanite religious practices. They became idolatrous and licentious, and their idea of Deity fell far below the Egyptian and Mesopotamian concepts of God that were maintained by certain surviving Salem groups, and which are recorded in some of the Psalms and in the so-called Book of Job.
• line 134: The variegated picture of Deity presented in the Book of Job was the product of more than a score of Mesopotamian religious teachers extending over a period of almost three hundred years. And when you read the lofty concept of divinity found in this compilation of Mesopotamian beliefs, you will recognize that it was in the neighborhood of Ur of Chaldea that the idea of a real God was best preserved during the dark days in Palestine.

PAPER 148 - TRAINING EVANGELISTS AT BETHSAIDA, Oct 19 2000
 

• line 118: Then Jesus made this final statement: "The Father in heaven does not willingly afflict the children of men. Man suffers, first, from the accidents of time and the imperfections of the evil of an immature physical existence. Next, he suffers the inexorable consequences of sin--the transgression of the laws of life and light. And finally, man reaps the harvest of his own iniquitous persistence in rebellion against the righteous rule of heaven on earth. But man's miseries are not a personal visitation of divine judgment. Man can, and will, do much to lessen his temporal sufferings. But once and for all be delivered from the superstition that God afflicts man at the behest of the evil one. Study the Book of Job just to discover how many wrong ideas of God even good men may honestly entertain; and then note how even the painfully afflicted Job found the God of comfort and salvation in spite of such erroneous teachings. At last his faith pierced the clouds of suffering to discern the light of life pouring forth from the Father as healing mercy and everlasting righteousness."

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  Summary for query "Book of Job":

  WebGlimpse search found 6 matches in 4 files
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And lastly this incredible piece from the words of Jesus.

Jesus of Nazareth and his discourse on the book of Job found in the Urantia Book

Discourse on Job from the Urantia Book

6. THE MISUNDERSTANDING OF SUFFERING--DISCOURSE ON JOB.

It was this same evening at Bethsaida that John also asked Jesus why so many apparently innocent people suffered from so many diseases and experienced so many afflictions. In answering John's questions, among many other things, the Master said:

"My son, you do not comprehend the meaning of adversity or the mission of suffering. Have you not read that masterpiece of Semitic literature--the Scripture story of the afflictions of Job? Do you not recall how this wonderful parable begins with the recital of the material prosperity of the Lord's servant? You well remember that Job was blessed with children, wealth, dignity, position, health, and everything else which men value in this temporal life. According to the time-honored teachings of the children of Abraham such material prosperity was all-sufficient evidence of divine favor. But such material possessions and such temporal prosperity do not indicate God's favor. My Father in heaven loves the poor just as much as the rich; he is no respecter of persons.

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"Although transgression of divine law is sooner or later followed by the harvest of punishment, while men certainly eventually do reap what they sow, still you should know that human suffering is not always a punishment for antecedent sin. Both Job and his friends failed to find the true answer for their perplexities. And with the light you now enjoy you would hardly assign to either Satan or God the parts they play in this unique parable. While Job did not, through suffering, find the resolution of his intellectual troubles or the solution of his philosophical difficulties, he did achieve great victories; even in the very face of the breakdown of his theological defenses he ascended to those spiritual heights where he could sincerely say, `I abhor myself'; then was there granted him the salvation of a vision of God. So even through misunderstood suffering, Job ascended to the superhuman plane of moral understanding and spiritual insight. When the suffering servant obtains a vision of God, there follows a soul peace which passes all human understanding.

"The first of Job's friends, Eliphaz, exhorted the sufferer to exhibit in his afflictions the same fortitude he had prescribed for others during the days of his prosperity. Said this false comforter: `Trust in your religion, Job; remember that it is the wicked and not the righteous who suffer. You must deserve this punishment, else you would not be afflicted. You well know that no man can be righteous in God's sight. You know that the wicked never really prosper. Anyway, man seems predestined to trouble, and perhaps the Lord is only chastising you for your own good.' No wonder poor Job failed to get much comfort from such an interpretation of the problem of human suffering.

"But the counsel of his second friend, Bildad, was even more depressing, notwithstanding its soundness from the standpoint of the then accepted theology. Said Bildad: `God cannot be unjust. Your children must have been sinners since they perished; you must be in error, else you would not be so afflicted. And if you are really righteous, God will certainly deliver you from your afflictions. You should learn from the history of God's dealings with man that the Almighty destroys only the wicked.'

"And then you remember how Job replied to his friends, saying: `I well know that God does not hear my cry for help. How can God be just and at the same time so utterly disregard my innocence? I am learning that I can get no satisfaction from appealing to the Almighty. Cannot you discern that God tolerates the persecution of the good by the wicked? And since man is so weak, what chance has he for consideration at the hands of an omnipotent God? God has made me as I am, and when he thus turns upon me, I am defenseless. And why did God ever create me just to suffer in this miserable fashion?'

"And who can challenge the attitude of Job in view of the counsel of his friends and the erroneous ideas of God which occupied his own mind? Do you not see that Job longed for a human God, that he hungered to commune with a divine Being who knows man's mortal estate and understands that the just must often suffer in innocence as a part of this first life of the long Paradise ascent? Wherefore has the Son of Man come forth from the Father to live such a life in the flesh that he will be able to comfort and succor all those who must henceforth be called upon to endure the afflictions of Job.

"Job's third friend, Zophar, then spoke still less comforting words when he said: `You are foolish to claim to be righteous, seeing that you are thus afflicted. But I admit that it is impossible to comprehend God's ways. Perhaps there is

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some hidden purpose in all your miseries.' And when Job had listened to all three of his friends, he appealed directly to God for help, pleading the fact that `man, born of woman, is few of days and full of trouble.'

"Then began the second session with his friends. Eliphaz grew more stern, accusing, and sarcastic. Bildad became indignant at Job's contempt for his friends. Zophar reiterated his melancholy advice. Job by this time had become disgusted with his friends and appealed again to God, and now he appealed to a just God against the God of injustice embodied in the philosophy of his friends and enshrined even in his own religious attitude. Next Job took refuge in the consolation of a future life in which the inequities of mortal existence may be more justly rectified. Failure to receive help from man drives Job to God. Then ensues the great struggle in his heart between faith and doubt. Finally, the human sufferer begins to see the light of life; his tortured soul ascends to new heights of hope and courage; he may suffer on and even die, but his enlightened soul now utters that cry of triumph, `My Vindicator lives!'

"Job was altogether right when he challenged the doctrine that God afflicts children in order to punish their parents. Job was ever ready to admit that God is righteous, but he longed for some soul-satisfying revelation of the personal character of the Eternal. And that is our mission on earth. No more shall suffering mortals be denied the comfort of knowing the love of God and understanding the mercy of the Father in heaven. While the speech of God spoken from the whirlwind was a majestic concept for the day of its utterance, you have already learned that the Father does not thus reveal himself, but rather that he speaks within the human heart as a still, small voice, saying, `This is the way; walk therein.' Do you not comprehend that God dwells within you, that he has become what you are that he may make you what he is!"

Then Jesus made this final statement: "The Father in heaven does not willingly afflict the children of men. Man suffers, first, from the accidents of time and the imperfections of the evil of an immature physical existence.

Next, he suffers the inexorable consequences of sin--the transgression of the laws of life and light.

And finally, man reaps the harvest of his own iniquitous persistence in rebellion against the righteous rule of heaven on earth.

But man's miseries are not a personal visitation of divine judgment.

Man can, and will, do much to lessen his temporal sufferings.

But once and for all be delivered from the superstition that God afflicts man at the behest of the evil one.

Study the Book of Job just to discover how many wrong ideas of God even good men may honestly entertain; and then note how even the painfully afflicted Job found the God of comfort and salvation in spite of such erroneous teachings.

At last his faith pierced the clouds of suffering to discern the light of life pouring forth from the Father as healing mercy and everlasting righteousness."

John pondered these sayings in his heart for many days. His entire afterlife was markedly changed as a result of this conversation with the Master in the garden, and he did much, in later times, to cause the other apostles to change their viewpoints regarding the source, nature, and purpose of commonplace human afflictions. But John never spoke of this conference until after the Master had departed.

"Master in the garden"
The Jesus prophecy

Faith that is the answer, out of faith comes good works  But its simple faith like a child first.