From my Measurements using NASA worldwind software bathymetric facility. However
note: these depths could vary in reality which affects the timeline a
destruction.
Dalamatia is around 70 metres deep, Babel/Dilmun is about 67 metres deep and
1st Susa is around 20 metres.
According to the above graph anytime before 11,000 years ago Dalamatia would of
been exposed to the elements. With the Sea line at its shores and rising.
At around 20,000 years ago the ruins of Dalamatia City would of been
approximately 50 metres above the current sea level. That's around 150ft above
the sea level but rising due to the ending of the ice age.
Babel/Dilmun was destroyed at around 11,000 years ago and the last Nodite City
to be destroyed, 1st Susa 7-8000 years ago,
the remnant Nodite/Andite from the days of Dalamatia living between the rivers.
At around 5000BC Ur was on the Persian Gulf, the Persian Gulf was further to the
North near the river mouths. However the sea level rise seems from those days
seems to be negligent to the present day.
quote:
However. It was during the flood times that
Susa so greatly prospered. The first and lower city was inundated so that the
second or higher town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the peculiar
artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods, Ur became
the center of the pottery industry. About seven thousand years ago Ur was
on the Persian Gulf , the river deposits having since built up the land to
its present limits. These settlements suffered less from the floods because of
better controlling works and the widening mouths of the rivers..
It appears that in the last 500,000 years there has been a number of Ice
ages. In relation to where I think the current location of Dalamatia
is in Southern Persian Gulf. It would appear that it would of been
engulfed a number of times which in other words the operation of Dalamatia
would of been disrupted many times due rising sea levels at varies points.
In my mind I would find that as an inconsistency to the location and its
operation throughout the ages before the fall which occurred 200,000 years
ago.
I was a little perturbed so then I thought about the clue in the Urantia
Book regarding the Submergence of Dalamatia which lead me to think about
the general submergence of the Persian Gulf Basin over the ages.
I was thinking that perhaps Mesopotamia in ages past was Perhaps at the
same level it is today and perhaps over the ages the Persian Gulf
gradually has been in submergence. Perhaps it was more elevated and
that from 150,000 years ago it was in submergence and has continued since.
After reading this I started to get more of a picture of what the
landscape would of looked like. A really nice Paradise full of Lakes
swamps and freshwater rivers running into a large freshwater Lake to the
south where Dalamatia was situated between the outflows of the rivers into
the sea/lake which the lake out flowed into the sea through rivers between
headwaters of Persian Gulf Hommuz.
At the Straits of Hormuz the
bathymetric profile indicates a division into
two main channelswhich continue across the
Bieban Shelfbefore dropping to a
depth of c 400 m in the
Gulf of Oman; the deeper parts of these channels may be due to delta
deposits at the edge of the deep ocean collapsing in a succession of big
underwater landslides, causing underwater erosion by the resulting
turbidity currents.
Could that mean that the sea levels were from 120 meters to the present
at any one time since 500,000 years ago.
Could the Persian Gulf Basin Area in the original form over the past ages
to 500,000 be higher than the present sea levels?? not to mention the
general elevation of the large valley on a small plateau where the
rivers emptied in the Basin a little sea within the large valley and then
through the through the rivers the water went out into channels and
eventually into the Sea of Oman. The clue is Dalamatia going down
due to major submergence I feel this is the clue to the mystery of
Dalamatia and its location and ability to operate throughout all the ages.
I feel the general location of Dalamatia was at a higher elevation where
it was not hindered by the fluctuations of the rising sea levels in
the past ice ages post 500,000 years ago. The whole basin and
Mesopotamia in General was at a higher elevation as noticed in the 2
channels leading out of Hormuz and ran parallel along
the shelf exposed above sea level in different directions before it out
flowing into the sea of Oman dropping 400m.
However, The whole Dalamatia area submerged over time beginning 200,000
years ago and has continued to do so. Like a whole valley on a small
plateau that sank.
Perhaps this is where the very first Dilmun began near the headwaters of
the Persian Gulf, near the vicinity of the Dalamatia bit close to the
headwaters of the Persian Gulf. Perhaps through subsidence of the
general area the first Dilmun built near the headwaters was destroyed
perhaps by rising sea levels where they migrated and built a new Dilmun in
the North Eastern Persian Gulf. At about 50,000 years after
the death of Nod (150,000 years ago) they built there new Dilmun with the
first Babel. Perhaps the sea as we know it had already engulf the
Persian Gulf and subsidence was occurring more rapidly.
Because 50,000 thousand years ago they built there new Dilmun which I
believe in the North Eastern Persian Gulf. Away from the sea
remembering Dalamatia.
anyway that's where I'm at
As the
southernmost and lowest point in the Near East, precipitation falling over the
Taurus, Zagros, and Hajor mountains funnels into the Gulf basin catchment
system. Given this uniquely favourable climate at the most unfavourable of
times, in conjunction with genetic analyses that indicate modern human
expansion began from loci in Southwest Asia (e.g. haplogroups M, N and R),
there is reason to believe that this submerged floodplain —referred to as
“Edin” by the Sumerians—was the nexus of “humanity” (sensu
stricto).
The
Gulf basin may have been one of the world’s primary human refugia during the
last glacial maximum 18,000 years ago. Any groups remaining within this
resource-rich zone were gradually dispersed by slowly rising sea levels in the
Early Holocene, culminating with the inundation of the floodplain that abuts
the
Great Pearl Bank
Barrier some 6,000 years ago.
In a
1981
Journal of Cuneiform Studies article, "The Tangible Evidence for the
Earliest Dilmun",
Theresa Howard-Carter
espoused her theory identifying
Dilmun
with
Qurna, an
island at the Strait of Hormuz. Her scenario put the original mouths
of the Tigris-Euphrates rivers, which she thought should be the
site of the primeval Dilmun, at or even beyond the
Straits of Hormuz. Mainstream archaeologists have avoided
mentioning her article for fear of its apparent
catastrophism,
an awkward subject in geology.[5]
Theresa Howard-Carter also wrote: "It is more likely that the original Gulf
inhabitants lived along the banks of the lower or extended Shatt al-Arab,
ranging some 800 km across the dry Gulf bed. We can thus postulate that the
pre-Sumerian cultures
had more than ample time to be born and flourish in a riverine setting,
encouraged by the agricultural potential and the blessings of a temperate
climate. The fact that the body of proof for the existence of these
societies must now lie at the bottom of the Gulf furnishes at least a
temporary excuse for the archaeologist's failure to produce evidence for
their material culture.
continuing. There seems to a reference
to 2 Dilmuns in the following Urantia Book reference.
line 69: After the
submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved
north and east,
presently founding
the new city of Dilmun as their racial and
cultural headquarters. (Is this the 1st Dilmun straight after the
destruction of Dalamatia? built close to the headwaters of the Persian
Gulf.)
And
about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the
offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find
subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding
their
new
city of Dilmun....
(Is this reference to Dilmun another actual
new city built 50,000 after the Destruction of Dalamatia, a second
Dilmun built after the construction and destruction of the 1stDilmun built
after the demise of Dalamatia?)
and
after they had reached out to intermarry with the Andonite
and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their leaders
that something should be done to preserve their racial unity. Accordingly
a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation the plan
of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed.
Bablot proposed to erect a pretentious
temple of racial glorification at the center of
their then occupied territory. ("their
then" occupied territory. seems to infer another new Dilmun
different from the original, a second Dilmun. A new city. I feel the
Nodites occupied the whole Mesopotamia Persian Basin, it was there
territory.)
This temple
was to have a tower the like of which the world had never seen. It was to
be a monumental memorial to their passing greatness. There were many
who wished to have this monument erected in
Dilmun, but others contended that
such a great structure should be placed a safe distance
from the dangers of the sea, remembering the traditions of the
engulfment of their first capital, Dalamatia.
Does this infer there where 2 Dilmuns built.
The first Dilmun built by the eastern group of Nodite who evacuated close to
the headwaters of the Persian Gulf which is to the east of Dalamatia on land
close to the sea but in a safe place or even near the actual headwaters of
Hormuz. But due to continued subsidence of the general area 50,000
years ago after the demise of Dalamatia, and due to rising sea levels the
first Dilmun near the headwaters, the Dilmun of the east had to be evacuated
only to rebuild another new city of Dilmun built away from the Sea in the
North Eastern Persian Gulf in territory they occupied and in the center of
it, they built a new city. In there then occupied territory which
infers away from the original home. Did the Nodites evacuate the
1stDilmun near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf to build a new city away
from the sea but close to the rivers and attempted to erect Babel in there
New City of Dilmun. This may explain the circular anomalies of this
location in the North East Persian Gulf.
Or maybe there were 2 cities built simultaneously and because Dilmun of the
East was too small for the population they eventually amalgamated with the
Eastern Nodites to build a tower.
Also note that the two channels of of river
water that went of Hormuz and parallel to the coast created a isthmus with
the river separating land from the coast line. It quite possible that the
1st Dilmun if it was built outside the headwaters could of been built on
this isthmus with the river on one side and the sea on other side of the
isthmus Here is diagram.
Upon further reflection, if there where two
channel's of water coming out of the Persian Gulf that separate in opposite
directions outside the heads then both channels would meander along the
coast for some distance and eventually meet the sea. That would mean
that that a spit of land going east to west outside the Persian Gulf would
exist. It would circulated by the Sea on one side and rivers in both
directions on the other side with the entry of the Gulf in the middle, a
place of crossing. It would be virtually be a four way/river crossing
where all the rivers meet with an island going East to West outside the
heads of the Persian Gulf separated by sea and Rivers.
At various times in the past trade would of
been possible through rivers to the sea to other neighboring commercial
centers particularly at low sea levels ages.
Perhaps the Nodite who went to the North
eventually settled in Elam area or perhaps the North Eastern Persian Gulf
and founded a sister city Dilmun built in the same time in parallel but
indicative of the Northern Branch hard to know without further evidence.
Perhaps when the 1st Dilmun near Hormuz built by the central group went down
the Central group rallied with the Northern group and proposed the erection
of Babel in there new City Dilmun a sister city built by the Northern group.
All conjecture without physical and academic studies.
continuing
The Urantia Book 200,000years ago, during the advance of the last glacier, there occurred an
episode which had much to do with the march of events on Urantia--the
Lucifer rebellion.
The Urantia Book
150,000
years ago the sixth and last glacier
reached its farthest points of southern extension, the western ice sheet
crossing just over the Canadian border; the central coming down into Kansas,
Missouri, and Illinois; the eastern sheet advancing south and covering the
greater portion of Pennsylvania and Ohio.
As you can see in the following graph 200,000
years ago the sea levels 20 meters lower than they are now. I also
maintain that the general Mesopotamian/Persian Basin was more elevated than
today as in the above wikipedia excerpt.
Therefore the fluctuation of the sea levels those times wouldn't affected
Dalamatia in those days. However "200,000
years ago, during the advance of the last glacier,"
it appears the sixth ice age is approaching. The quote
seems to be consistent to the following graph. It was apparently around this
time that Dalamatia suffered submergence, I believe Dalamatia was high
enough above the sea at least 80 meters above of its present level, It would
have to be that height to operate and to survive throughout each ice age.
Soon after the demise of Dalamatia the sixth ice age began to advance and
therefore a drop in the sea levels is evident and as you can see in the
following graph. The Mesopotamian/Persian basin was high and dry with a
large freshwater sea to the south with the submerged ruins of Dalamatia
located within. The freshwater sea to the south had rivers flowing out
of Straights of Hormuz along two channels in parallel to the coast and then
eventually into the sea of Oman. It would of been a spectacular site.
The whole area would have to be at least above highest sea level recording
of the ages. Dalamatia was perhaps built beside an inland lake/sea
that out flowed through the straights of Hormuz. The Lake perhaps had
a stable depth throughout the ages and not affected by the sea only except
the weather. However when submergence and consequently rapid
subsidence things began to change for the whole area.
Eventually the area subsided low enough for
the actual sea to encroach the area during high seal level eras.
Note how 200,000 years ago the demise of
Dalamatia occurred at a high sea level era, it could also be possible that
the actual sea was at the footsteps of Dalamatia. The Sea level
regressed the remains of Dalamatia was exposed. on to be covered up 125,000
years ago during a real high sea level period and perhaps the same again in
the sudden increase of sea levels in the last 20,000 years.
I can see that as we approach 150,000 years
there is a dramatic decline in the sea levels which is consistent to the
advance of the last Glacier. This is also consistent with the Urantia
excerpt.
The Urantia Book "150,000
years ago the sixth and last glacier reached its farthest points of
southern extension, the western ice sheet crossing just over the
Canadian border; the central coming down into Kansas, Missouri, and
Illinois; the eastern sheet advancing south and covering the greater
portion of Pennsylvania and Ohio."
It was just less than 150,000 years ago when
the last glacier retreated and which seems consistent with the following
graph.
Then at around 150,000 years there seems to
be a warming.
At around 125,000 years there appears to be a
great increase in sea level rise to our current levels which could mean
the warming of the ice fields where the sea levels are close to our current
level, it could be possible that the whole Dalamatia/Persian basin was
higher still above the sea levels than we have today.
As we go into the time line from 125,000
years to 20,000 years there appears to be a steady decrease in the sea
levels with some fluctuations and then with the last warming of the ice
field there is a dramatic increase of the sea levels to our current age.
In all this time from 200,000 years the whole Persian Basin has probably
been in gradual subsidence to our days as given in the clue of the
submergence of the city in the first instance. Apparently,
at one point the ruins emerged only to be submerged again and perhaps a few
times. Thinking about it further during this time with decreased sea
levels 125,000 years to 20,000 years with reduced moisture, the lake in the
Dalamatia/Persian Gulf begins to evaporate thereby exposing the ruins of
Dalamatia to the variables this could be another possibility.
In the next cycle at around 20,000 to the
present there seems to be another great warming and increase of the sea
levels which completely inundates and fills the Persian gulf as the whole
Mesopotamia/Persian/Dalamatia has subsided sufficiently to let the sea
waters in for the first time....maybe!
Here is an excerpt that seems to suggest that
the Persian Gulf Basin as been in constant submergence.
Earlier investigations have shown that most
sedimentary basins on continental crust were formed without significant
extension.^These basins are of two main types.^Cratonic sedimentary
basins, 3 to 15 km deep, form as a
result of slow compensated subsidence at a rate of 10 to 100 m/m.y.
over a long period of time (300-1000 m.y.).^Miogeosynclines usually form by
rapid uncompensated subsidence at a rate of 0.2-1 km/m.y., in a short period
of time (1-10 m.y.).^In this paper, the authors examine the evolution and
distribution of hydrocarbon deposits in the oil and gas basins of the
Persian Gulf, which contain more than 60% of the oil and 40% of the gas
reserves of non-Soviet countries.^They conclude that the oil and gas basins
of the Persian Gulf were formed by repeated rapid
subsidence without crustal extension.^The
rapidity of the subsidence was responsible for high heat flow, intensive
local tectonics, and the deposition of suitable source beds,
reservoir rocks and caprocks, factors that are responsible for the immense
oil and gas resources.^44 references, 2 figures.
The above reports only proves the Urantia
account that there has been general subsidence of the Persian Gulf
particularly in the South as there are large Gas and Oil fields all around
the area that where created because of this. Subsidence is mentioned
in the Urantia Book regarding the demise of the City of Dalamatia 200,000
years ago when it all began. I would say that Dalamatia City in those
days was above the height of the current sea levels of today.
another excerpt which I believe confirms the
2
Dilmuns as separate cities.
line
79: 3. The smallest and minority contingent held that the erection of
the tower presented an opportunity for making atonement for the folly of
their progenitors in participating in the Caligastia rebellion. They
maintained that the tower should be devoted to the worship of the Father of
all, that the whole purpose of the new city
should be to take the place of Dalamatia--to function as the
cultural and religious center for the surrounding barbarians.
line 96: The elaborate records left
by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was
located on the Persian Gulf near the
earlier city of Dilmun.
The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory
Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the
first and second Nodite
cities with Dalamatia and called all
three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient
Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods
first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And
these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun,the
paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty
shelves of many museum.
continuing
3. The smallest and minority contingent held
that the erection of the tower presented an opportunity for making atonement
for the folly of their progenitors in participating in the Caligastia
rebellion.
They maintained that the tower should be devoted to the worship of the
Father of all, that the whole purpose of the
new city should be to take the place of Dalamatia--to function as the
cultural and religious center for the surrounding barbarians.
The religious group were promptly voted
down. The majority rejected the teaching that their ancestors had been
guilty of rebellion; they resented such a racial stigma. Having disposed of
one of the three angles to the dispute and failing to settle the other two
by debate, they fell to fighting. The religionists, the noncombatants,
fled to their homes in the south, while their
fellows fought until well-nigh obliterated.
About twelve thousand years ago a second
attempt to erect the tower of Babel was made. The mixed races of the
Andites (Nodites and Adamites) undertook to raise a
new temple on the ruins of the first structure, but there was not
sufficient support for the enterprise; it fell of its own pretentious
weight. This region was long known as the land of Babel.
and about the fall and where they went.
The sixty members of the planetary staff who
went into rebellion chose Nod as their leader. They worked wholeheartedly
for the rebel Prince but soon discovered that they were deprived of the
sustenance of the system life circuits. They awakened to the fact that they
had been degraded to the status of mortal beings. They were indeed
superhuman but, at the same time, material and mortal. In an effort to
increase their numbers, Daligastia ordered immediate resort to sexual
reproduction, knowing full well that the original sixty and their forty-four
modified Andonite associates were doomed to suffer extinction by death,
sooner or later. After the fall of Dalamatia the disloyal staff migrated
to the north and the east.
Their descendants were long known as the Nodites, and their dwelling place
as "the land of Nod."
At the Straits of
Hormuz the bathymetric profile indicates a division into
two main channelswhich continue across the
Bieban Shelfbefore dropping to a
depth of c 400 m in the
Gulf of Oman; the deeper parts of these channels may be due to delta
deposits at the edge of the deep ocean collapsing in a succession of big
underwater landslides, causing underwater erosion by the resulting
turbidity currents.
and going back to this reference implies 2
cities separate cities, the Dilmuns.
line 69: After the
submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved
north and east,
presently founding
the new city of Dilmun as their racial and
cultural headquarters. (Is this the 1st Dilmun straight after the
destruction of Dalamatia? built close to the headwaters of the Persian
Gulf.)
And
about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the
offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find
subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding
their
new
city of Dilmun.
(And is this reference to Dilmun another
actual new city built 50,000 after the Destruction of Dalamatia, a
second Dilmun built after the construction and destruction of the
1stDilmun built after the demise of Dalamatia?)
Could this be the location of Dilmun built
by the central group of Nodites, this island here. near the headwaters of
the Persian Gulf.
"Shortly after the destruction of Dalamatia
the followers of Nod became divided into three major groups. The central
group remained in the immediate vicinity of their original home near the
headwaters of the PersianGulf. The
eastern group migrated to the highland
regions of Elam just east of the Euphrates
valley. The western group was situated on the northeastern
Syrian shores of the Mediterranean and in adjacent territory.
and now look where
Babel and
Dilmun is the other Northern Nodite City is
"Right in the Middle of Elam"
Here is an image of Babel
Actually Im
thinking that what I think is Tipura/Dilmun could be the lower city of
Susa when the Persian Gulf was lower by around 20 meters.
Ahh so this could
be the clue to Tipura/Dilmun where in
actual fact it could be all to do with "First and Lower Susa" I
wonder if Susa means Sarah?
However. It was during the flood times
that Susa so greatly prospered.
The first and lower city was
inundated so that the
second or higher town succeeded the lower as
the headquarters for the peculiar artcrafts of that day.
With the later
diminution of these floods,
I'm thinking is this Susa, The Lower and
first City?
I just cant believe it! Is this
site lower Susa. The first Susa...could be maybe!!
One thing for sure Dilmun/Babel is the Northern Dilmun found of the
waters. Where Nod went to. The Lands of
Bablot or Babel. in the city of
Northern Nodites of Dilmun
Remember that Babel in Dilmun was built in
the center of there then territory according to the UB. "Bablot
proposed to erect a pretentious temple
of racial glorification at the center
of their then occupied territory."
That appears to be perfect match to the
location of Dilmun/Babel in accordance to the above image.
Right in the middle of the territory of the
Northern Nodites in the hills of Elam.
"The eastern group migrated to the
highland regions of Elam just east of the
Euphrates valley."
Diagram of the general area
Note the 2 channels of water coming out of Hormuz in parallel to the coastline
in separate directions. Its quite possible that the 1stDilmun after the
evacuation was built near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf and could include
the Bebian Shelf and in the Oman Shelf. The Eastern Group of Nodites may
have built there new city of Dilmun in around the headwaters in the vicinity.
posted
11-02-2007 03:40 AM
Hey I think a real King is one who can master
himself and harmonize sensibly on levels of reality.
sevens
posted
11-02-2007 03:49 AM
Looking further into the matter and attempting to
overcome some challenges about Dalamatia and the viability of its location in
light of what is written about the submerged City. I'm working the theory
through the Urantia Book to see if I can better matches and find more accuracy
to the whole.
At the end of the day with a little more work I feel more satisfied about the
location and the anomalies that lay there. In this search I'm more interested in
descriptions of the place and as usual this thread of inquiry goes all over the
place.
Just trying to catch those arrows of truth.
I welcome debate regarding this aspect as it could improve the research. Some
people think Dalamatia is around where Ur is. No worries but I do beg to differ.
I feel before I take myself on a limb and take another step in faith I want this
to be completely solid and with no stone unturned.
Alternatively, III just go it alone without debate.
Sevens
Opening of the
books repeated twice in the Urantia Book and projected in relation r\to judgment
of the Ancient Days opening the Books in judgement.
Here is a fantastic Paper from the Urantia Book.
Which has description of the ancients of Days and there purposes. I relate
to the experience as described in the paper to the ancient planes.
Its been an intense and enthralling last couple
of days.
Here is a highlight study I did on this following
Urantia Paper. This paper completely highlights the journey and the experience
to the ancient places. Including are many references to the Ancients of Days,
the universal judges. I was really impressed and seems to support of judgment
event.
And here is a fragment I discovered and is in complete harmonisation of all that
has been said and researched.
Here is an outstanding fragment that reflects the journey as in the opening of
the books...As in Heaven on Earth in a dual process of greatness and Goodness.
Quote:
The Memory of Mercy is a living trial balance, a current
statement of your account with the supernatural forces of the realms. These
are the living records of mercy ministration which are read into the testimony
of the courts of Uversa when each individual's right to unending life
comes up for adjudication, when "thrones are cast up and the Ancients of Days
are seated.
The broadcasts of Uversa issue and come forth from before them; thousands upon
thousands minister to them, and ten thousand times ten thousand stand before
them. The judgment is
set, and the books are opened." And the
books which are opened on such a momentous occasion are the
living records of the tertiary seconaphim of the superuniverses.
The formal records are on file to corroborate the testimony
of the Memories of Mercy if they are required.
This fragment just says it all and this Testamony
to the ancient places in the books, in my mind is the recognition of the opening
of Books on earth regarding Origins and creates a path to them. The Ancient of
Days is all involved in this journey of the Kingdom of truth!
Note: Opening of the books is repeated twice in the Urantia Book and is
projected in relation towards the judgment of the Ancient Days opening the Books
on this world.
According to the Urantia Book and in my mind, its a fact Judgment is related to
the opening of the Books and the weighing of the spiritual scales. Opening of
the Book of Life by the Ancients of Days could be mirrored in the opening of the
books in the journey and discovery of the ancient places and in the fulfillment
of prophecy. The time space aspect, the timeline as investigated. Its all about
Origins a major part of it. Its all to do with the truth of our origins, a
history lesson.
Dont know when though but the ancient places
could a sign of it.
Sevens
This submerged valley/plain/edinu would be the lost world of the
Mesopotamian Dream-Time, the source of their later legends about the
beginning of things. For those espousing Mesopotamian roots for
Genesis fantasies, it could also be the land of Eden, in an eastern
part of which the Garden was planted. Dilmun at the place where the
sun rises, said to be located on a river bank at the Place of Crossing
This submerged valley/plain/edinu would be the lost world of the Mesopotamian
Dream-Time, the source of their later legends about the beginning of things.
For those espousing Mesopotamian roots for Genesis fantasies, it could also be
the land of Eden, in an eastern part of which the Garden was planted.
Dilmun at the place where the sun rises, said to be located on a river bank
at the Place of Crossing
moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past the White
Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of Dreams,
and soon they reached the fields of asphodel where the dead, the
burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)
The above seems to reflect the Entry of the
Persian Gulf which has an east/west aspect and the sun rises and sets in
parallel to the direction of Dilmun on the banks of the rivers of the crossing
leading out through the heads of Hormuz where the rivers divide into channels in
parallel to the coastline and then eventually into the sea dropping 400m, the
White rock is probably an outcrop of significance and could point to the layout
of Dilmun and identifiable features. Dilmun is the land of Dreams however that
was borrowed from Dalamatia which submerged "in the Dank". The fields of
Ashpodel could be further to the North or could be another reflection of the
Demise of Dalamatia City, the City of Gods before the fall.
It giving you the directions to the City and the
general landscape of the Eastern Dilmun.
Also note Ashpodel could be reference to oil and
asphalt and we know the Dalamatia/Persian Valley is full of the resource.
Here is another fragment that has the same image
of Dilmun of this particular location I believe.
quote:
'Hesiod refers to the Isles of the Blessed (makarôn
nêsoi) in the Western Ocean (Works and Days).
Pindar makes it a single island. Walter Burkert notes the connection with the
motif of far-off Dilmun:
"Thus Achilles is transported to the White Isle and becomes the Ruler of the
Black Sea, and Diomedes becomes the divine lord of an Adriatic island."[3]
In Elysium were fields of the pale liliaceous asphodel, and poplars grew.
There stood the gates that led to the
house of Ais (in Attic dialect "Hades"). The
place of Judgement?
Judgement eh!
and here is an image that gives a better idea of
the location of Dilmun to the East near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. Note
how its the place of crossing the outflows of rivers in all directions and
Dilmun to the East right there in the middle of it. It also has an East and West
aspect which Sun travels.
These direction in all the links concerning the rising of the Sun are really
location markers to Dilmun of the East. All we have to do now is go there and
find physical evidence of a large centre in these Persian Gulf headwaters. I
reckon there would be evidence on that island there somewhere. Note we have a
similar circular mountain marker close to Dilmun/Babel as well.
These floods completed the disruption of Andite
civilization. With the ending of this period of deluge, the second garden was
no more. Only in the south and among
the Sumerians did any trace
of the former glory remain.
The remnants of this, one of the oldest
civilizations, are to be found in these regions of Mesopotamia and to the
northeast and northwest. But still older vestiges of the days of Dalamatia
exist under the waters of the Persian Gulf, and the first Eden lies submerged
under the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea.
and
8. THE SUMERIANS--LAST OF THE ANDITES
When the last Andite dispersion broke the
biologic backbone of Mesopotamian civilization, a small minority of this
superior race remained in their homeland near the mouths of the rivers. These
were the Sumerians, and by 6000 B.C. they had become largely Andite in
extraction, though their culture was more exclusively Nodite in character, and
they clung to the ancient traditions of Dalamatia. Nonetheless, these
Sumerians of the coastal regions were the last of the Andites in Mesopotamia.
But the races of Mesopotamia were already thoroughly blended by this late
date, as is evidenced by the skull types found in the graves of this era.
It was during the
floodtimes that Susa so greatly prospered. The
first and lower city was
inundated
so that the second or higher town
succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the
peculiar artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods, Ur
became the center of the pottery industry. About seven
thousand years ago Ur was on the Persian Gulf,
the river deposits having since built up the land to its present limits. These
settlements suffered less from the floods because of better controlling works
and the widening mouths of the rivers.
This could be First and lower
Susa from the Urantia Book found near the rivers mouths of the Persian
Gulf 8000 Years ago. It appears to be 15 meters
below sea level according to the worldwind bathy indicator.
According to the
Sea Level chart at 8000 years ago the sea levels where 15 meters lower.
Its a direct match to Susa when it was
inundated.
According to the Sea Level Chart Dilmun/Babel
seem to have submerged at around 13,000-12,000 years ago. However
Dilmun/Babel could of been prolonged by the sea walls and canals that led to
the circular city.
Ive seen 7 concentric circles in symbols used in Northern Mesopotamia. There on
the Mari tablet, it was around 2500BC that marked the terminal end of
Sumerian/Andite race. These people where nomads throughout the world and brought
there culture and symbols with them wherever they traveled throughout the world.
Ive seem the rings in Inca territory, the Andites also went there to.
From what I understand Atlantis was bigger than a village surrounded by rings.
For me personally I don't think its the original and first Atlantis. I don't
think it was the place of the Gods However, I have no doubt it was built upon a
plan in the past and probably originated some were else, the complex as
Goergeous thinks is a temple surrounded by seven rings. For me I would say
Mesopotamia as having the oldest culture in the world that was dispersed at that
time.
Georgeos, I would be happy to see your work on the location I await with real
interest. No worries.
I'm sure it would be fascinating.
I have one question. If someone was to drop the the sea levels of the Atlantic.
What would show up and would it uncover a large mass that would replicate
Atlantis as described.
Could be someone being just plain creative! say what!
LONDON, (CAIS) -- An archeological team from Bushehr
Cultural Heritage, Handicrafts, and Tourism Organization (BCHHTO) succeeded to
discover number of stone tools date back to Palaeolithic era.
"The archeological team has started their excavations in Jam city in Bushehr
province in early July, which led to archeological discoveries in two phases,''
announced Ahmad Dashti, the director of BCHHTO.
"We have discovered a number of stone tolls
including Blades, knives and drills from the site", he added.
This is the first time artefacts old as 40,000-years
have been discovered in southern part of the country; this opens a new
horizon in understanding of the region's past, he noted.
The discovered objects will be sent to Tehran for
further studies" . . "fieldworks will continue in a near future", he concluded.
Iranian archeologists have succeeded in tracing
40,000-year-old evidence of human beings residency in Jam-o Riz city in
Bushehr province.
Tehran, 25 August 2007 (CHN Foreign Desk) – For
the first time, during excavating operations in city of Jam-o Riz in Bushehr
province, Iranian archeologists have succeeded in tracing evidence of human
beings settlement dating back to Paleolithic epoch to Middle Stone Age
(40,000-10,000 years ago) in this region. Prior to this, some excavations were
conducted by British archeologists in different parts of Bushehr province.
“Archeological excavations in Jam-o Riz city in
southern and northern slides of midst mountain plain resulted in discovering
evidence belonging to Paleolithic, and Middle Stone Age periods,” said
Abdolreza Dashtizadeh, head of archeology team in Jam-o Riz city to CHN.
He further explained that 16 prehistoric sites
have been discovered during these excavations, among which 6 enjoys a high
archeological potential to be studied in detail.
Discovery of prehistoric evidence, the majority of
which are consisted of stone tools used by cave dwelling human beings, shed
light into existence of human beings residency in this area about 40,000 years
ago.
“Alongside archeological excavations, we conducted
some anthropological researches in the area which led us to conclude that
stone instruments were used by the local people of this area until 40 years
ago. These researches completed our archeological studies,” added head of
excavation team in Jam-o Riz city.
These researches show that the local people used a
kind of flint stone which is called Bardtash in local language means fire
stone which is used for making razors blades for hunting animals.
Pointing out to the pre-studies which have been
conducted in this regard in the area, Dashtizadeh said: “Before starting
archeological excavations, some geological and morphological studies were
conducted in the whole area and existence of Paleolithic evidence was already
approved in the area.”
According to Dashtizadeh, the discovered
prehistoric relics have already been transferred to Paleolithic Research
Department of Iran’s National Museum and have been examined by Fereydoon
Biglari, director of this department.
City of Jam is the ninth city of Iranian
southwestern province of Bushehr. It is limited to Firuzabad and Dashti from
north, to Kangan city from south, to Mehr city of Fars province from east, and
Deir and Kangan cities from west. Historical and geographical evidence show
the existence of Jam city from very ancient times.
I find it very interesting that Jam is location
South of Dilmun to the North. The above article proves that there was
intelligent civilisation in the areas of Jam and the Persian Gulf.
LONDON, (CAIS) -- Iranian
and Korean archeologists have discovered a 100,000-year-old civilization
in the city of Roudbar located in the
north of Iran.
Six Iranian archeologists in cooperation with nine Korean archeologists
undertook a discovery project in the northern province of Iran 10 days ago.
The archeologists could unearth a stone tool, which looked like a knife. The
experts estimated the stone knife to date back to at least 100 thousand
years.
This is a sign of existence of a civilization in that area. The archeologists
are to continue the task until August 16 in the ancient cities of Roudbar,
Roudsar and Siahkal, according to a report by Persian service of IRINN.
Based on an agreement between Iran’s Archeology
Research Center, head the committee of Asia-Pacific Regional Organization of
ICOM, one of North Korean archeologist, and director of South Korean National
Museum, the Stone Age and Paleolithic areas of Gilan province will go under
research.
Announcing this news, Hassan Fazeli Nashli, head of Iran’s Archeology Research
Center told CHN: “The project for examining the Stone Age and Paleolithic epoch
in Iranian Northern Province of Gilan especially in dwelling caves has come into
force since 16th of July 2007.”
Byung-ki, director of National Museum of South Korea, Chan I. King head of
committee of Asian-Pacific Regional Organization of ICOM, and Chi Duong Di,
Korean archeologists will cooperate in this research project.
Regarding the time of the project, Fazeli Nashli explained: “Based on the
initial agreements, this research project has been planned for one year during
which just the areas belonging to the Paleolithic epoch will be excavated.
However, the project may extent for 5 years, depends on what happens in future.”
According to Fazeli Nashli, since little archeological studies have been
conducted so far about Stone Age and Paleolithic epoch in Iran, the lifestyle
practiced by human begins during these important periods have remained somehow
ambiguous. On the other hand, large areas of these important prehistoric sites
are on verge of destruction or have been already destroyed due to developing
projects in the country, which brings into light the importance of conducting
any research project in this regard.
Paleolithic epoch is one of the most prominent archeological periods in history
of Gilan province. Therefore, in an attempt to uncover many unknowns about this
period, a large amount of studies have been conducted so far by Iranian and
foreign archeologists in this province. Two years ago a Japanese team wrapped up
their excavations in the area after carrying out 5 seasons of archeological
excavations in historical sites of Gilan province the result of which is due to
be published in a book.
Roudbar, Amlash, Roudsar, and Siahkal are among the cities in Gilan province
which will be studied during this archeological research project. According to
Mohammad Reza Bagherian, Iranian head of Iranian- North Korean joint team in
Gilan province, the first season of the project will be lasted for a month
during which the mentioned cities will be excavated. Afterwards, they will
extent their researches in other cities.
All very close to the Vanite Civilisation and its
various outposts. Looks that whole area of Gilan was home to advanced
civilisation. Seems to match the Urantia Book records.
7000-Year-Old Historic Susa
to be Put Up for World Registration
04 February 2007
LONDON, (CAIS) -- Considering the cultural
background of Susa and its impact on the history and civilization of the area
southwest of present-day Iran, experts of Iran’s Cultural Heritage and Tourism
Organization (ICHTO) are determined to compile Susa’s file to prepare the ground
for its world registration in a near future.
According to Mirābedin Kāboli, archaeologist who is
in charge of preparing Susa’s file for world registration, the file will contain
Susa and its surrounding historical sites as well as any evidence of continual
civilized dwellings in the area from 5000 BCE onwards.
“The reasons that make UNESCO registration of Susa
important have already been submitted to ICHTO. Once approved, the file will be
completed and send to UNESCO for registration in the list of World Heritage
Sites,” said Kāboli to Persian service of CHN.
Currently experts of ICHTO have started the project
for preparing the file of a large number of archaeological sites in Iran for
inscribing them in UNESCO’s list of world heritage sites. Based on UNESCO’s
regulations, each country is allowed to introduce only one monument for world
registration per year and among the 178 member countries, only 30 monuments find
their ways to the final list each year.
Susa was an ancient city of the
Elamite Empire (3400-550 BCE), located in Khuzestan province of Iran, and about
150 miles east of the Tirgis River. Susa is one of the most ancient civilisation,
founded about 4000 BCE, though the first traces of a village-settlement dating
back to 7000 BCE have been found in the area.
The above confirms that lower and first Susa sunk
around 8000 years ago and moved there civilisation to Second Susa which are the
ruins being listed.
Now if they go underwater by about 15 meters they
should find first Susa.
Here is some interesting fragments in this article
that once again confirms the Urantia Book rendition of 2nd Susa in many ways and
again points to an early advanced civilisation.\ that had all the crafts.
But now it is generally recognized that the
position and surrounding objects of any valuable specimens are just as
important as the relics themselves, therefore detailed plans and records are
kept and the deposits carefully sifted so that every scrap of evidence may be
preserved; for the trained archeologist, like the detective of the novelist,
will find important clues in apparently trivial objects. Among those trivial
objects the highest place is now generally given to broken bits of pottery -
they need not necessarily be broken, but an unbroken vase is rare, and however
valuable it might be as a museum specimen, one vase might be like the
proverbial swallow.
It is chiefly by the many thousand broken
pieces of pottery found in the lowest deposits of the Susa mound that the
story has been built up, bit by bit,
of these unknown immigrants
from an unknown land; something like
the reconstruction of the unseen, lame, half-blind camel in "The Arabian
Nights."
This pottery is wonderfully hard
and thin, not much thicker than a
couple of postcards, and it rings like porcelain, though it is not so
transparent. The forms are simple and graceful; they were produced on a
rudimentary potter's wheel, used with a skill that was probably due to the
inherited experience of many generations of craftsmen. Nearly all the bowls
and vases were elaborately decorated either inside or outside with strange
designs, most of which have no similarity with any designs found in other
parts of the world, so that we have no due to the country where these potters
learned their art, though we can be fairly sure that they brought it from
some centre of civilization where it had been undergoing a
long period of development. For it is now admitted that ornamental
designs in all countries and in all ages are not the chance product of the
craftsman's brain-they have a regular evolution from the simple to the
complex, most of the simple designs being evidently based on natural forms of
men or animals.
There are other indications
that the earliest colonists of Susa were well civilized
before they left that unknown parent country,
for in their (Page 699) burial ground outside the city walls are found the
bronze hatchets of the men, and the mirrors, the needles, and ointment vases
of the women; there are also relics of delicate fabrics finely woven on a loom.
The human remains in the graves have unfortunately been so crushed by the
immense weight of the overlying deposits that have accumulated above them for
forty centuries that it is impossible for ethnologists to decide whether they
were members of the white, the black, or the yellow races. People became very
interested over the finding of Tutankhamen's tomb, although its contents added
relatively little to our knowledge of the origins or the development of
civilization; how much more interesting would be the finding of the
unknown home country of the colonists of Susa,
the earliest artistic potters that have as yet given us an insight into the
origins of their craft. There are no traces of inscriptions on any of
their relics, so we cannot even guess what language they may have spoken.
The community vanished as mysteriously as it arrived;
a thick layer of charcoal and ashes being the only evidence of the catastrophe
that overwhelmed them.
But the site continued to be occupied either
by the survivors or by their supplanters, for fresh layers of unburnt
bricks appear above the devastated town,
and pottery of a coarser
but somewhat similar type is found among these layers. Again and again at
various levels are found other layers of charcoal and ashes testifying to the
successive calamities that overtook the city, and a
striking evidence of the energy of the mixed race that so continually rebuilt
it. The long duration of the city may be due to the constant
accession of fresh blood it received from surrounding nations, themselves
not artistically deficient.
This energy made them very formidable to
their neighbours, especially to those in the prosperous new cities that
were growing up in the fertile plains of Chaldea. Eannatum, who ruled in the
city of Lagash about five thousand years ago, and set up a monument recording
his punitive raid on Susa, describes it as
"the mountain that strikes terror." This
is the first written mention we have of that already
ancient city, but an earlier tradition about it has reached us
through that wonderful "Epic of Gilgames" (Gilgamesh) the national hero of
Chaldea. He is said to have attacked and
slain Khumbaba, the King of Susa,
shortly after the deluge! But here we
enter the land of myth.
Many hundred years after Eannatum's time "Ur of
the Chaldees" having acquired considerable power, annexed Susa, together with
the surrounding country, called Elam, but in the course of another hundred
years, Susa had regained its independence and conquered both Chaldea and
Babylon. Art and literature do not seem to have flourished in this
"terror-striking mountain." Its inhabitants were too much occupied in that
constant vendetta of raids and retaliations that still exhaust the energies of
the human race. Their raids extended to an almost incredible distance, even as
far as Palestine, for in Genesis xiv.,
Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, is
mentioned as having subdued Sodom and Gomorrah
and kept Lot a prisoner until he was rescued by Abraham.
The Urantia Book says that the early Andite
pottery was more superior than later civilizations. The above seems to
reflect that.
line 73: While pottery had
been first introduced by the staff of the Prince about one-half million years
ago, the making of clay vessels had practically ceased for over one hundred
and fifty thousand years. Only the
gulf coast pre-Sumerian Nodites continued to make clay vessels.The art of pottery making was revived during Adam's time. The
dissemination of this art was simultaneous with the extension of the desert
areas of Africa, Arabia, and central Asia, and it spread in successive waves
of improving technique from Mesopotamia out over the Eastern Hemisphere.
line 74: These civilizations of the Andite age cannot always be traced
by the stages of their pottery or other arts. The smooth course of human
evolution was tremendously complicated by the regimes of both Dalamatia and
Eden. It often occurs
that the later vases and implements are inferior to the earlier products of
the
purer Andite peoples.
and again note the above fragments from the
essay about Susa
It is chiefly by the many thousand broken
pieces of pottery found in the lowest deposits of the Susa mound that the
story has been built up, bit by bit,
of these unknown immigrants
from an unknown land; something like
the reconstruction of the unseen, lame, half-blind camel in "The Arabian
Nights."
This pottery is wonderfully hard
and thin, not much thicker than a
couple of postcards, and it rings like porcelain, though it is not so
transparent. The forms are simple and graceful; they were produced on a
rudimentary potter's wheel, used with a skill that was probably due to the
inherited experience of many generations of craftsmen. Nearly all the bowls
and vases were elaborately decorated either inside or outside with strange
designs, most of which have no similarity with any designs found in other
parts of the world, so that we have no due to the country where these
potters learned their art, though we can be fairly sure that they brought
it from some centre of civilization where it
had been undergoing a
long period of development.
we have a clear example of the Susa pottery
found in the Urantia fragments
and here is some very interesting fragments about
another Andite group that migrated to Crete about 14,000 years ago. This
may indicate the destruction of Dilmun to the North where Babel was built.
The loss of that very ancient city migrate a group of people while some would
stay behind and move to higher ground and rebuild. Susa is a clear and
more recent example of that.
line 117:
About 12,000 B.C. a brilliant tribe of Andites migrated to Crete.
This was the only island settled so early by such a superior group, and
it was almost two thousand years before the descendants of these mariners
spread to the neighboring isles. This group were
the narrow-headed, smaller-statured Andites who had
intermarried with
the Vanite division of the northern Nodites.
They were all under six feet in height and had been literally driven off the
mainland by their larger and inferior fellows. These emigrants to Crete were
highly skilled in textiles, metals, pottery, plumbing, and the use of
stone for building material. They engaged in writing and carried on as
herders and agriculturists.
and further clue to the later Sumerians
line 95: And all this explains how the
Sumerians appeared so suddenly and mysteriously on the stage of action in
Mesopotamia. Investigators will never be able to trace out and follow these
tribes back to the beginning of the Sumerians, who had their origin two
hundred thousand years ago after the
submergence of Dalamatia. Without a trace of origin
elsewhere in the world, these ancient tribes suddenly loom upon the horizon of
civilization with a full-grown and superior culture, embracing temples,
metalwork, agriculture, animals, pottery, weaving, commercial law, civil codes,
religious ceremonial, and an old system of writing. At the beginning of the
historical era they had long since lost the alphabet of Dalamatia, having
adopted the peculiar writing system originating in
Dilmun.
The Sumerian language, though virtually lost to the world, was not Semitic; it
had much in common with the so-called Aryan tongues.
Not far from Susa, the first and lower city.
posted
11-05-2007 05:24 AM
Dilmun to the east, The first Dilmun, 200,000 after the fall of Dalamatia
City
Thinking about Dilmun to the East of Dalamatia
City. This could be a representation in red of the spit of land that followed
the coast to the East and to the south of the ancient Persian Gulf.
It could be another possible site of the Dilmun to the East on the island
isthmus. Seems to match the description of Odyessy even further. Also at that
time the sea levels where retreating. Seems like a logical place to seek refuge
from a rebellion safe and protected by the rivers?
However the other location hypothesis near the Headwaters closer to Dalamatia
seems like a very logical position to.
quote:
"down the dank
moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past the
White Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of
Dreams , and soon they reached the fields of asphodel where the
dead, the burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)
and another rough image
Reflecting on the fragment of Odyssey.
moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams Could be a reflection of the
Meandering river working its way East to the sea along the coast. If you where
on a boat you would travel West along this vast river, as you reach the heads of
the Persian Gulf you would notice the the White Rock where they went and
past. As you pass the White Rock a navigation beacon you would be in the Western
Gates as the Sun would be above you traveling East to West, in parallel
following the Sun. You would be in "the Sun's Western Gates" The gates of
the Persian Gulf. As you would travel West you would go past the Land of
Dreams which could be a reflection of the location of "Dilmun to the East"
since it was in the vicinity of Dalamatia or it could be a past reflection of
Dalamatia City, the source of the Dilmunite myths. The past land of
dreams...maybe!
Traveling further you reach the fields of asphodel which to me sounds
like a city of the coast where there may be tar pits and alike.
I believe the above is the directions to the Persian Gulf of ancient times and
to the location of Dilmun of the East.
So much physical research has to be done to prove this theory.
Chances are that Dilmun to the East was located
inside the heads nearer to Dalamatia. However it wouldn't hurt to explore this
option further because I think it has possibilities.
sevens
quote:
posted
11-05-2007 04:19 PM
'Hesiod refers to the Isles of the Blessed
(makarôn nêsoi) in the Western Ocean (Works and Days).
Pindar makes it a single island. Walter Burkert notes the connection
with the motif of far-off Dilmun:
"Thus Achilles is transported to the White Isle and becomes the Ruler of the
Black Sea, and Diomedes becomes the divine lord of an Adriatic island."[3]
In Elysium were fields of the pale liliaceous asphodel, and poplars grew
. There stood the gates that led to the house of Ais (in Attic
dialect "Hades"). The place of Judgement?
People may look at the below and think of
Atlantis as an island being in the Atlantic based on the above confirming Plato.
However, looking at this from the Persian Gulf aspects and the cities that lay
there I have the feeling that the Atlantis Story is really about the 2 Dilmuns
of these ages in one aspect or another.
About the western gates, it is thought Atlantis lays in front of the western
gates.
When I see this fragment
the Isles of the Blessed (makarôn nêsoi) in the Western Ocean
I can see the same result when I look at Dilmun to the East built on a Island at
the Western gates of Persian Gulf.
History points and going there will confirm Dilmun to the East which was built
on a island near the Western gates of the Persian Gulf. Probably an large
freshwater sea outflowing into the rivers outside the heads downstream to the
right and left.
Pindar makes it a single island. Walter Burkert notes the connection with
the motif of far-off Dilmun:
They are reflections and reminders if I'm on the right track. One thing for sure
I feel happier with the results and where its leading to.
Just have to verify the places and find more.
Sevens
In terms of science payoff,
surveys that improve the input to ocean models could be seen as highest
priority, because such models bear on our ability to understand and forecast
climate change, which has
profound human consequences. An example of the importance of this kind of study
is that the sill at the
mouth of the Persian Gulf is now known to be 120 m deep, not 80 m, changing the
exchange parameters
between the Gulf and the adjacent Arabian Sea. Improved bathymetry for tsunami
modelling is likely to have
the greatest short-term effect on human life, in tsunami-prone regions
Note the potential for the inland sea that
destroyed Dalamatia. Note the submergence to the North and in the
Dalamatia region.
It also appears that Dilmun/Babel to the North is
around 20 - 40 meters and suffered from subsidence. Perhaps the Worldwind
Bathy is inaccurate in that region.
Dalamatia City is right on the edge of the lake
and sits right in the middle of the subsidence of the lake.
p.1863
This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these
dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesus' doctrine of the kingdom of
heaven. But you should not become discouraged by
the apparently slow progress of the kingdom
idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of
progressive
evolution is subjected
to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in
both the material and the spiritual worlds. The bestowal of Jesus
as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the
spiritual life of the world. Neither make
the fatal
mistake, in looking for the age manifestation
of the kingdom, of failing
to effect its
establishment within your own souls.
and here is a fragment from an unexpected source that I found PLATO
Quote:
As Plato wrote in the Statesman:
"There is a time when God himself guides and helps to roll the world in
its course; and there is a time, on the completion of certain cycles, when
he lets go, and the world, being a living creature and having originally
received intelligence from its author and creator, turns and by an
inherent necessity revolves in the opposite direction."
Plato went on:
"I mean the change in the rising and setting of the sun and the other
heavenly bodies. In those times they used to set in the quarter where they
now rise, and used to rise where they now set. The revolution of the
heavens is sometimes in its present sense, sometimes in its reverse sense.
So it must needs be that in the cosmic crisis there is widespread
destruction of living creatures . . . and only a remnant of the human race
survives. For when the whole order of things has come to its
destined end there must needs be universal change once more. Now the pilot
of the ship of the world lets go the handle of its rudder. A shudder
passes through the world at the reversing of its rotation, checked as it
seems, between the old control and the new impulse. The shock sets up a
great earthquake which causes . . . destruction of living creatures of all
kinds."
If you cant produce the article then why say all
this rubbish. Anyway man is 1,000,000 years old and had a crappy civilization
before Dalamatia City 500,000 years old,
beat that buddy ahahahah
Yeah and its a triangle city with circular temple in the middle.
Similar kind of symbolism I see in your country, its even on the money you use.
Thats where the symbol first originated from in truth!
By the way where is everyones ones data and images apart from all the dross
theories to go with the no images and no truth.
eh! eh!
The worst part about all the discovered cities in the Persian Gulf is that all
the books of religion including the Urantia Book where used to locate them.
I know that its a complete pain in ass for self proclaimed Christians but that
is the truth. Its the only thing that will stand all the dross will just go!
I think Ernest Moyers is just so spot on on in his research. I reckon he is
best Ive seen amongst all the the other commentators about these times. This
research has got it happening and you can see his accuracy in tandem to this
experience not that all has been revealed to him but what has been revealed to
him describes this journey to a tee! There is no doubt about it in my mind.
I feel this researcher is also involved in the journey to the ancient places
and led a path in parallel that one could bounce of in relation to the
journey.
I think the heavenly Father has worked with this gentlemen in the revealing of
the great mystery. I really thank Ernest Moyers for his work and dedication
and truly a trustworthy and loyal person in the highest sense. His work really
edifies this project and provides great confidence to.
Quote:
PSALM #2 I give thanks unto Thee, O Lord, for Thou art my strength and my
stronghold,
Thou hast delivered my soul from all works of unrighteousness.
For Thou hast put truth in my heart and righteousness in my spirit,
Along with all gifts of Thy wisdom;
And hast crushed the loins of them that have risen up against me.
Thou bringest me cheer, O Lord, amid the sorrow of mourning,
Words of peace amid havoc, stoutness of heart when I faint,
Fortitude in the face of affliction.
Thou has given free flow of speech to my stammering lips;
Stayed my drooping spirit with vigor and strength;
Made my feet to stand firm when they stood where wickedness reigns.
To transgressors I am a snare, but healing to them that repent,
prudence to the unwary, temperance to the rash.
Thou hast made me a reproach and a derision to them that live by deceit, But a
symbol of truth
and understanding to all whose way is straight.
I am become an eyesore unto the wicked, a slander on the lips of the
unbridled; scoffers knash their teeth.
I am a song unto transgressors, and the hordes of the wicked rage against
me;
Like ocean gales they storm which, when their billows rage, cast up mire and
dirt.
Yet, Thou
hast set me as a banner in the vanguard of Righteousness, As one who interprets with knowledge deep,
mysterious things;
As a touchstone for them that seek the truth,
A standard for them that love correction.
To them that preach misguidance I am but a man of strife;
But to them that see straight, a very symbol of peace.
To them that pursue delusion I am but a gust of zeal;
Men that live by deceit roar against me like the roar of many waters.
Naught is there in their thoughts save mischievous designs. When opening the fount of knowledge to all that have understanding,
Thou hast set a man's life to rights by the words of Thy mouth,
And hast taught unto him Thy lesson and put understanding in his heart.
But they thrust him back into the pit.
In place of these Thy gifts they offer a witless folk stammering lips and
barbarous tongue.
Wandering astray, they rush headlong to their doom.
I sense the that the above is about the "As one who interprets with knowledge
deep, mysterious things" which I feel has all to do with the ancient places
and the representation of its physical SYMBOL. From what I can see it has
relation to truth and correction.
I see all the above components encapsulated in this almighty journey to the
ancient places.
Its a direct match.
continuing....
Farout look at this one
Quote:
Through me has Thou illumined the faces of full
many,
And countless be the times Thou hast shown
Thy power through me. For Thou hast made known unto me Thy deep,
mysterious things, And hast shared Thy secret with me and so shown
forth Thy power; And
before the eyes of full manythis token
stands revealed, That Thy glory may be shown forth, and all living
know of Thy power.
So the great secret or mystery is deep where this is mystery that surrounds
it. Sounds like the ancient places. And there is a symbol attached to it that
will be revealed.
I'm inclined to think that the Symbol is the triangle and circle Symbol the
layout of the First City Dalamatia. However, the Banner of the vanguard of
righteousness is the Emblem/Banner of Jesus. 3 concentric circles!!
Just amazing another direct match to this journey.
There is nothing like this journey in the whole planet, this journey is
completely individual of which there is no replication.
Even the so called big time religious leaders never ever saw this and no one
predicted this great discovery and opening of our origins in amongst all the
other predictions.
I reckon this is the real stuff, the real thing.
No worries at all, mate!
The Land of Sinim and the Coastlands working together to find the solution,
right on!
Praise the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven" and all his fantastic servants of
the past and the present, really spiritual hero's of the Kingdom.
yea!
..note the TOKEN something physical that can be
understood.
Here is the commentators own thoughts
Quote:
The document certainly conveys mighty
sustenance for a servant who is dedicated to God. It also carries
mighty sustenance for those who might elect to join this servant inan awesome demonstration of faith and
service.
Lets do it, all of us! Lets kick some goals for the Father and we can do it!
There is no doubt about it and takes or asks nothing from anyone except simple
faith. That's the point of the journey!
That's why transition will happen now because it will take a thousand years
before mankind is ready to enter the Epoch of light and life on this planet,
this Era of light and life is like the Utopian era, like the Golden ages but
it will not reverse.
At the end of the day this period now is adjustment and correction to get the
fact right with accuracy through faith and demonstration. In preparation for
the next thousand years.
sevens
posted 11-08-2007 02:04 PM
Hi Ishtar
Im sorry, Im a little confused, what do you mean?
or what do you think the problem is?
I must say I have noted a few things and characteristics that I was familiar
with, thats probably why I never ventured and steered away from that path,
without being rude...if that makes sense.
sevens
posted 11-08-2007 02:34 PM
The thing that I'm am weary of is the Characteristics of the
last rebel and his ability to infect the minds of intelligent man in the way of
using him up and then dumping him in a very disloyal way.
You could say that this being of light/darkness has many children on this planet
without them even realizing it in most cases.
An example of this can be seen in channeling, in how it begins in a simple and
nice way but where it leads to with all the machinations with no outcome of
sustainability with damage to the human mind and the soul.
This is where the problem is, people truly get beguiled and sucked in by this
character.
Its in an analysis of the course of miracles at the end of the book (the 3rd
book) The rebel reveals himself and his technique and its gross.
Its funny that straight after reading the UB on a boat I attempted to read the
course of miracles. As soon as I read the first chapter I knew something was
wrong in the instant and never ventured further.
I could never explain it until I read the analysis on the Course of Miracles,
the pieces fell into place from my own experience where I could explain what I
felt.
The whole books is just guided by the rebel through a channel process and is an
absolute spiritual fraud that leads the human subject to the eventual control of
the last rebel. Cal
Believe me this Cal is an Angel of Light/Darkness he has no loyalty to no human
and is nothing to discard the human subject after his purposes are met.
That's is no different to how many human beings operate, they operate in exactly
the same way. Business is a prime example of use and abuse or take everything
leave nothing behind.
have a good day
sevens
posted 11-10-2007 12:07 PM
Brig, I re-read your post, I didnt read it right and was
flippant, sorry, I took out the crap.
What you said is interesting.
I read the article posted by Tom Herbet. I believe its true.
Reflecting about the article makes all sense but I think its goes back alot
further. The ruins submerged in the Bay of Cambay is good example of these lost
ancient trading cities that did business with Dilmun.
But what we know today is only the tip of the iceberg.
The depth of the Cambay ruins would give you an idea of when they traded and
might tell an earlier story of Dilmun.
sevens
posted
11-10-2007 12:34 PM
Hi julia
Yes, about the Ad, I think the Ad in the Quran is a distant reflection the
Adites or the Andites of Dilmun to the East and would be in the Lore of the of
the people around Aden.
When I was looking into Dilmun of the East I was thinking precisely about
Bluehues theory about Aden to what he perceived and discovered is really a
reflection of the mythical Lands Dilmun which was near the Heads of the Persian
Gulf, in the right area.
I would like to have a look at some of those Myths of the area.
Maybe Bluehue might still be around to share some of those myths so we see if we
can find more clues to the area. It could be a bit of a conjunction where our
research starts to compliment each other in a really nice way.
It would be good to research the Ad.
Here is a little search I did on the Ad in the Quran sometime ago. Which I think
was the distant reflections of the Ad in around that area.
and here is a general link I did 2 years ago looking for
all kinds of clues in the Quran to the Ad and of this journey. But I must say I
prefer the Urantia Book. I think the Quran adopted much of the truth from the
Eastern Christian and Jewish theology. Simple as that!
If we can expand on this it could be quite interesting.
I would like to find these myths of up around the Aden area.
Eh Bluehue you around(((((((
Sevens
posted
11-10-2007 07:29 PM
Yeah true about the office, having a laugh.
What can I say about the office! Its something I did in the moment. I just did
it because I thought it was a good idea at the time particularly after being
inspired reading about it in the Zadokite document and by personal experience
with the writings of the Essenes of Sevenfold peace and other works.
I just felt touched to do it.
You know but since then I felt the journey and the knowledge defined itself
better and I found parallels with Jane Lead and her interpretations of this time
regarding the office.
One thing for sure it will take an expedition to verify. If that actually
occurs, the verification particularly the discovery and recovery of the Seven
commands then the office must be true and in synch.
I'm sure there where many common civilizations that came and went in the Persian
Gulf area.
Just has to be
sevens
posted
11-10-2007 11:55 PM
Hi wirelessguru1
quote:
The losers are usually wiped out, including their stories!
Either case, winner or loser the real good stories do tend to survive
throughout the years, ages and eras as myth...
I agree with you 100%
For any story to last over the eons would have to have some real truth substance
to make that impression.
Anything less than that is bye bye, gone for good.
I think people like research that just makes sense and follows good logic with
good parallels of truth rather than irrelevance.
for sure!
I think people just cant stand crap at the end of the day, people really desire
truth and nothing but.
sevens
U.N.'s Ban says global warming is "an emergency"
This is really getting serious.
Everything seems to be forming a physical conjunction.
EDUARDO FREI BASE, Antarctica (Reuters) - With prehistoric Antarctic ice
sheets melting beneath his feet, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called
for urgent political action to tackle global warming.
The Antarctic Peninsula has warmed faster than anywhere else on Earth in the
last 50 years, making the continent a fitting destination for Ban, who has
made climate change a priority since he took office earlier this year.
"I need a political answer. This is an emergency and for emergency
situations we need emergency action," he said during a visit to three
scientific bases on the barren continent, where temperatures are their
highest in about 1,800 years.
Antarctica's ice sheets are nearly 1.5 miles thick on average -- five times
the height of the Taipei 101 tower, the world's tallest building. But
scientists say they are already showing signs of climate change.
Satellite images show the West Antarctic ice sheet is thinning and may even
collapse in the future, causing sea levels to rise.
Amid occasional flurries of snow, Ban flew over melting ice fields in a
light plane, where vast chunks of ice the size of six-story buildings could
be seen floating off the coast after breaking away from ice shelves.
"All we've seen has been very impressive and beautiful, extraordinarily
beautiful," he said late on Friday. "But at the same time it's disturbing.
We've seen ... the melting of glaciers."
U.N.'s Ban says global warming is "an emergency"
Ban is preparing for a U.N. climate change conference in Bali, Indonesia, in
December, which is expected to kick off talks on a new accord to curb carbon
emissions after the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012.
Ban has focused strongly on the environment and held a climate change summit
at the United Nations on the eve of the annual General Assembly gathering of
world leaders.
On Saturday, he continued his South American tour at Chilean national park
Torres del Paine, taking a helicopter tour over Patagonian ice fields that
scientists say are melting fast. Ban was flown over a glacier marked by
large cracks from ice that has melted and broken away.
"(Climate) change is progressing much faster than I had thought," he said,
calling on developed countries in particular to do more.
Ban, the first U.N. chief to visit Antarctica, was also due to visit the
Amazon rain forest in Brazil, a leading force in developing biofuels from
crops as an alternative to fossil fuels. Fears about climate change have
fueled a boom in biofuels.
Despite the controversy of diverting food crops into fuel production, Ban
has said alternative energy sources are vital to addressing climate change.
Antarctica -- a continent with only about 80,000 temporary residents -- is
25 percent bigger than Europe and its ice sheets hold 90 percent of the
fresh water on the Earth's surface.
sevens
posted
11-11-2007 04:03 PM
Hi BlueHue
How are you? I hope you well.
As you know Im following the fragments that point to the places from many
sources.
Last June I discovered a triangular shaped city called Dalamatia as mentioned in
the Urantia Book. Ive been using the location of the city as point of reference
triangulating the location of Dilmun to the East mentioned also in the Urantia
Book. Its a city that was built by the Central Nodite group right after the fall
of Dalamatia and of the Sons of God in that city.
Here is a link to Dalamatia City in the middle of the Persian Gulf in the South
Being built near the Headwaters of the Persian Gulf at around 200,000 years ago
the city thrived for 50,000 years when suddenly the population found it
difficult to subsist perhaps due to climate change or something, so part of the
population the followers of the Nod sect moved to the North in then there
territory and built the 2nd new city of Dilmun located more to the North.
or
the 2 dilmuns could have been simultaneously after the fall of Dalamatia City
and where both classified as Dilmun to the South and North.
Also when the tower of Babel went down the The Priests went to there homes to
the South. Which to me means back to the original home in the South. Dilmun of
the East to the South.
Im drawing from the below to establish Dilmun
quote:
After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved
north and east , presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their
racial and cultural headquarters. And about fifty thousand years after
the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too
numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new
city of Dilmun , and after they had reached out to intermarry with the
Andonite and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their
leaders that something should be done to preserve their racial unity.
Accordingly a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation
the plan of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed.
And this extract to establish there where two Dilmuns, 2
Nodite cities.
quote:
The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the
site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near
the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient
glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both
the first and second Nodite citieswith Dalamatia and called all three
Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay
tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed
mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life."
And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun , the paradise of men and God,
are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.
I'm figuring that the Central group built there City close to
the Headwaters
Shortly after the destruction of Dalamatia the followers of Nod became divided
into three major groups. The central group remained in the immediate vicinity
of their original home near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. The eastern
group migrated to the highland regions of Elam just east of the Euphrates
valley. The western group was situated on the northeastern Syrian shores of the
Mediterranean and in adjacent territory.
I was thinking BlueHue that perhaps the legends and Myths of the Aden area could
behold fragments of this ancient city and inhabitants of the area that could
reflect the Nodites of Dilmun.
I noticed Julia posted fragments found in the Quran which I believe also is a
distant reflection and certainly describes the people to a tee.
I noticed that the entry to the Persian Gulf takes the form of a horseshoe.
Anyway the above is the thread that Im following to give you an idea. I was
wondering if there where fragments that you know of that may reflect the
existance these very ancient people.
All the best BlueHue
Sevens
posted
11-11-2007 04:26 PM
Hi Julia
I thought those fragments about Hud was very interesting and really describes
the Nodite people and Characteristics.
I found the story an interesting type and in metaphor to these times we are in.
Great descriptions and how they built large buildings and towers. They where a
large powerful people but they seem arrogant and full of themselves even denying
the existence of God.
Amazing, I wonder if there is other independent information outside the Quran
that describe these people in this area. If Felt there was some strong parallels
with Odyssey in his description of the Entry of the Persian Gulf and references
to the Land of Dreams, like the land of past dreams before the fall of the Sons
of God.
I suppose that why I believe that Dalamatia City is the Atlantis because thats
where the Gods incarnated and where they built a new city, with walls and
temples.
Also the city went down by a huge tidal wave.
All matches Plato story. However, I believe Plato incorporates other
descriptions which is reminiscent of the other cities.
All in all I believe that Plato does have distortion to some degree but
generally I think it beholds many clues that point to the realities of the first
place.
Julia, I thought those fragments was great.
Thanks for that
Here is another interesting connection I Found
quote:
050.013
YUSUFALI: The 'Ad, Pharaoh, the brethren of Lut,
(Here is a urantia book search of
Lut , a connection that goes back to
Dalamatia City and through the Dilmuns in progeny.)
PICKTHAL: And (the tribe of) A'ad, and Pharaoh,
and
here is an interesting piece
quote:
053.050
YUSUFALI: And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad
(people),
PICKTHAL: And that He destroyed the former (tribe of) A'ad,
SHAKIR: And that He did destroy the Ad of old
The Ancient Ad or the Ad of Old must be a
reflection of the Central Nodite Group that where around the headwaters of the
Persian Gulf and I feel this can be a reflection of the later Andites too.
All the best
Sevens
posted
11-11-2007 05:02 PM
I was just agreeing with you, I dont agree with
spiritual violence and imposition through self aggrandizement and glorification
based on a self delusion of self dreams which makes no connection normal
reality.
sevens
Hi
I been sitting back and researching the Ernest Moyer papers
I must say I have been really enjoying this mans research. I feel the Holy
Spirit is really strong with this researcher and I feel blessed to read his
material.
As I was reading his research I cam across this piece that intrigued me.
I have a feeling that in extension to the UB revelation is this journey in
extension to the ancient places.
Quote:
In between Chapters 7 and 14
are intertwined other fragments of the actual revelation with human
corruption. This makes the text very difficult to follow. It may be helpful
for you to pause at 10:7. This verse describes events of revelation which
are now unfolding before your eyes. I shall give it to you as the Greek text
has it:
>"Even was finished the mystery of God,
as he announced to his servants the prophets."<
The brief remark shows that God's mystery was contained within the
Old Testament prophecies, those given by Melchizedek, but now the
cloak surrounding the mystery is being removed. A crucial
element in that removal was the revelation of The Urantia Papers. Without
the Papers we would not have had the proper context to understand the
prophecies.
I tell you we must so close to something as we in this journey are revealing
the truth of the ancient places.
We must be close to a major revelation where all is revealed.
The ancient places are the hidden treasures that the Son of Man is revealing.
Right now!
and this fragment
Quote:
This also is part of a revelation process,
but only if we are sensitive to the information. Equally important, it is
revelation with no "proof." We are stuck with making up our individual minds
as to the significance, and how we will use it. Can revelatory
information, from different sources, be assimilated and correlated to yield
a picture of our present planetary conditions, the activities going
on, and the decisions we must make for contribution to the future of
this world?
To understand those activities, we are forced to put two and two together
and read between the lines. From my research I believe a sufficient amount
of information has been given to come to sensible comprehension. But this is
a very important point. The methodology of our planetary supervisors
was to provide information, but not explicitly, about their purpose. They
left us with the integration of that information, and the deductions we
might make from it. We have been given an opportunity to come to
conclusions, ON OUR OWN, about the events transpiring around our planet
today. In other words, we have become partners in
a remarkable and unique exercise. From those conclusions we will make
major life and death decisions toward planetary survival.
The exercise is to determine how planetary residents will respond
under conditions of isolation, and scattered revelations with no visible
celestial guidance. We are an experimental world. This experiment is one of
the most remarkable exercises in this universe, ON
A PLANET THAT BELONGS EXCLUSIVELY TO THE CREATOR.
I say yes to above question as we can see in
this journey of faith to the heritages of man.
sevens
posted
11-13-2007 01:46 PM
It would be good if you could show some images as
you described rather than explaining them so we can see for ourselves.
For all we know this is might a re hash of old research and postings from years
ago. Like in this forum all the new threads are reshaped old threads and
information. Nothing new!
Why do you bother to post a video that does not work?
really why don't you come clean with some proper images like everyone has been
asking.
You either have images or not, even one image.
I think all the talk and intellectual stuff just doesn't cut it as people want
to see what you talking about and also to read about it.
People want to see and read about it. Not all the playing games.
Anyway good luck on the premier presentation. I
hope it finds conclusion rather leaving everyone in the air as all the docos do
these days.
sevens
Member # 3037
posted
11-14-2007 12:11 AM
posted
11-14-2007 12:11 AM
Hi Georgeous
Nice trailer I like the images.
No worries
But when I read the "In the heart of 2 seas" to me its seems also reflective of
Dilmun to the East near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. Also "the Kingdom of
the Sunset" I feel is also a similar reflection of Dilmun as it was known as the
"City of the Rising Sun" which would also reflect the Sunset of the kingdom.
Noting Dalamatia was very near by to the West submerged by the sea. The Sunset
would of been above submerged Dalamatia looking west from Dilmun towards the
Persian Gulf sea to the West.
2350BC seems rather early for Atlantis which was the first place of the Gods
which goes back many many thousands of years. I feel many of the symbols are the
remnants of culture that migrated to the Iberian coast from the East of which
some others went to Ireland.
Also the Egyptians of the early times came from Mesopotamia, East to West. It
was the Andites or the Ad which migrated to Egypt and brought all there culture
including the myths, symbols and legends of their origins. They migrated due to
floods and rising sea levels.
I think Atlantis is somewhere else.
3 Concentric circles are also the symbol of Melchizedek and which is the symbol
of Paradise. The Melchizedek adopted this symbol 4000 years ago or the symbol
could a representation of the latter stone age culture which came from the East.
Its interesting the very first original Iberians could be connected to the
remnants of the Jewish in the first dispersion where they left there sign in the
naming of rivers and so forth.
I reckon the timeline your working with maybe the
culture in Iberia was more Punic of which came from the east and could be
related to part of the lost tribes of Israel??
I had a look around the whole area using NASA
worldwind where I could even see the waves and to be honest all I see is smooth
ocean floors and nothing that hit me. If there is a lost city it would submerged
under meters of sand because I couldn't find a thing. 2350BC it would only been
a few meters perhaps more shallow, if that.
Sorry but I dont buy it that Atlantis was of the coast of Cardiz, Perhaps an old
city was established at a lower sea level and was wiped out by a tidal wave. No
problem with that but it not Atlantis. Atlantis, no way man!
all the best
sevens
Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:23 am
Hi
I thought this was an interesting verse and could become a real reality if it
hasn't already.
Quote:
I Enoch 39:1 — And it shall come to
pass in those days that elect and holy children
will descend from the high heaven, and
their seed will become one with the children of men.
It also confirms a rapture process of the
elect.
and this
Quote:
But the Levitical priests, the sons
of Zadok, who kept the charge of my sanctuary
when the people of Israel went astray from me,
shall come near to me to minister to me; and
they shall attend on me to offer me the fat and
the blood, says the Lord GOD.
Actually here is a study on the Cosmic Reserve of Destiny, Personalities in
the forfront of Jesus and Melchizedeks spiritual army of truth.
Here is a fragment of the research in this paper which I agree with
Quote:
We should not infer that the images in these statements are literal. Just
as much of the Dead Sea Material is symbolic, so it is here. The "sons of
Zadok" are not literally the sons of ancient Zadok, but refer to those who
kept themselves close to God throughout all the centuries. They
are Sons of Righteousness. They "kept charge of my sanctuary" when all the
other children of Israel departed from their devotion to God.
These Departed did not literally depart from the land of Judah, but from
the land of Israel, and they did not depart in some spectacular moment in
the history of Israel, but departed from devotion to God.
Please note that by "God" I mean Jesus in his role as Creator and Maker of
this world and of this universe.
I offer Gaster's version because I feel it better captures the nature of
these people:
those elect of Israel that have been designated by name and that shall go
on functioning in the last days.
Behold, their names have been specified,
the families into which they are to be born,
the epochs in which they are to function,
the full tale of their tribulations,
the length of their sojourn in exile,
and the precise nature of their deeds.
In my personal view members of the Cosmic Reserve Corps of Destiny are
members of this group. They serve in a unique role in the preservation of
the people of Israel, those people who now make up a large portion of the
people of the United States. The members of this group will help salvage
those others, in the imminent world crisis now unfolding.
We can now understand the real nature of the function of this unique group
of living human beings.
I wonder which Sanctuary is being discussed? The Heritage of the ages! The
Sanctuary can mean temples, I believe the first and second temple s of
Dalamatia and 1stEden are the sanctuaries. A sanctuary can also mean a place
of refuge and safety which could also be relevant to the journey and these
times right now!
Reading the following verses really speaks of
this moment in my view and the general reactions and no reactions of people.
Quote:
3:12 . . . Each one doing (what was) his desire.
BlankBut with those who remained steadfast in
God's precepts.
13 with those who were left from among them. God
established his covenant with Israel for ever,
revealing to them
14hidden matters
in which all Israel had gone astray; Blank his holy sabbaths and his
15 glorious feasts, his just stipulations
and his truthful paths, and the wishes of
his will which
16 man must do in order to live by them. Blank He
disclosed (these matters) to them and they dug a well of plentiful water;
17 and whoever spurns them shall not live.
But they had defiled themselves with human sin and
unclean paths,
18 and they had said: "For this is ours." But
God, in his wonderful mysteries, atoned for their iniquity and pardoned
their sin.
19 And he built for them a safe home in Israel,
such as there has not been since
ancient times,not even till
20 now. Those
who remained steadfast in it will acquire eternal
life, and all the glory of Adam is for them.
Well all the above is a complete reflection of all levels concerning this
journey to ancient places. Wonderful mysteries and hidden matters not until
ancient times...a sanctuary, a refuge that speaks of eternal life for the
steadfast....it all speaks of this journey to the ancient places with
unfinished business.
The mention of Adam is another inclusion pointing to 1stEden which was
discovered and verified through the wall in 2004, the ancient places in the
Persian Gulf are part of the 1stEden journey and has not stopped since.
Inst that exactly what is happening in the
journey to the ancient places, first information is disclosed by the Father
and the Angels and through the action of the fragment of the Father within and
the Holy Spirit, on the run and second, we find ourselves on the journey to
the ancient places digging into water to verify the existences of the cities
and in metaphor the water means truth and knowledge where it is plentiful and
remember it is a sanctuary of the ancient times with disclosed matters about
the history of these places with the aid and guidance of a new book written by
the finger of God so to speak!
A complete fulfillment so far
yea!
sevens
Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:31 am
Habukkak 16:5
Quote:
Again, it refers to future traitors—
that is, to the lawless men who will
betray the Covenant and not believe
when they hear all the things that are to come
upon the final age duly related
by the Priest whom God appoints to interpret in
those days all
the words of His servants the prophets by whom He has told of that impending
disaster.
sevens
posted
11-14-2007 03:05 PM
Hi Docyabut
The Gods or better still the midwayers who help man do have origins that come
from 2 places.
The primary midwayers have their origins in Dalamatia City and the secondary
midwayers come from North Eastern Iran at the headquarters of Van, the angels
who assist man do have origins. Like with mankind they also have their origins
from one place.
Like with Atlantis it is the origins of man, civilization coming from one place,
one location.
At 2350BC or 1500BC there were civilizations and many of then where migrating
everywhere but the origins go much further back to a long lost city in the
Persian Gulf which did harbor the long lost civilisations of man. That I am
finding today which match's with the information available.
Also I looked at the area using worldwind software and I couldn't find a thing
like what I see in the Persian Gulf.
Even with 1st Susa that went down 6000BC you can see the anomalies. In the case
of Eastern Spain nothing that I can see.
I think the artifacts that Georgous is finding are simply cultural artifacts
that belong to many later stone age settlements where the symbolism the circles
derives from the Middle East. In bringing the culture from Mesopotamia they
brought there symbols and legends of distorted stories of the origins.
The people in those days where moon and sun
worshipers and they had stone circle temples. Its simple as that.
That is the latter stone age period for the area.
sevens
sevens
Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:27 am
Quote:
Page 1915:
And now concerning the travail of Jerusalem, about which I have
spoken to you, even this generation will not pass away until my words are
fulfilled; but concerning the times of the coming again of the Son of Man,
no one in heaven or on earth may presume to speak. But you should be wise
regarding the ripening of an age; you should be
alert to discern the signs of the times. You know when the fig tree
shows its tender branches and puts forth its leaves that summer is near.
Likewise, when the world has passed through the long winter of
material-mindedness and you discern the coming of the spiritual springtime
of a new dispensation, should you know that the summertime of a new
visitation draws near
it must be soon
and
Quote:
Isa 28:9-13
9 "Whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message?
Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast? 10 For it is precept upon precept, precept upon
precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little."
11 Nay, but by men of strange lips and with an alien tongue the LORD will
speak to this people,
12 to whom he has said, "This is rest; give rest to the weary; and this is
repose";
yet they would not hear.
13 Therefore the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept,
precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a
little; that they may go, and
fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
sounds dire if one walks in ignorance and stiff necked.
and
Quote:
"But if the servant is slothful and begins to say
in his heart, 'My master delays his coming,'
and begins to mistreat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the
drunken, then the lord of that servant will come at a time when he looks not
for him and, finding him unfaithful, will cast him out in disgrace. Therefore you do well to
prepare yourselves for that day when you will be visited suddenly and in an
unexpected manner.Remember, much has been given to you; therefore
will much be required of you.
Fiery trials are drawing near you. I have a
baptism to be baptized with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished.
You preach peace on earth, but my mission will not bring peace in the
material affairs of men-not for a time, at least. Division can only be the
result where two members of a family believe in me and three members reject
this gospel. Friends, relatives, and loved ones are destined to be set
against each other by the gospel you preach. True, each of these believers
shall have great and lasting peace in his own heart, but peace on earth will
not come until all are willing to believe and
enter into their glorious inheritance of sonship with God.
Nevertheless, go into all the world proclaiming this gospel to all nations,
to every man, woman, and child."
By the way the 3 circle in a triangle symbol can be followed all the way to
Vans headquarters and then to on top of the Acropolis Hill of 1st Eden, the
three co-planar circles is the Symbol of Van.
Another similar symbol can also be found in Babel in Dilmun to the North, the
great pyramid, on top of the entry of Jesus' family tomb and even on Mars near
the face. All great symbol are coming into a conjunction of truth along the
thread.
Its an amazing connection and truth resurfacing.
Sevens
posted
11-15-2007 01:57 PM
One thing I now for sure that this project is not
a result of group consciousness. Thats for sure!
Its a on your own journey, no group therapy here. I think that is a real pity
and demonstrates the real spiritual level of man in some degrees. I just think
this journey is supernal of the highest estate but I think man has generally
spurned, rejected and buried this project in this particular direction.
But then again this was all foreseen.
But you know I don't care what man thinks of this, essentially he is an idiot
anyway, led by idiots and fools in most cases.
I'm just doing my job and if man gets his arse kicked in this thats his fault
and only proves that man is an fool and lead by idiots who know nothing.
regards
sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:27 am
Just been reflecting on this part
Quote:
Fiery
trials are drawing near you. I have a baptism to be baptized
with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished. You preach peace on
earth, but my mission will not bring peace in the material affairs of
men-not for a time, at least. Division can only be the result where
two members of a family believe in me and three members reject this gospel.
Friends, relatives, and loved ones are destined to be set against each other
by the gospel you preach. True, each of these believers shall have great and
lasting peace in his own heart, but peace on earth will not come until all
are willing to believe and enter into their glorious inheritance of sonship
with God. Nevertheless, go into all the world proclaiming this gospel to all
nations, to every man, woman, and child."
Looks like its a ratio is of 1/3 will believe and the rest give the Jesus
message for today the JOHN WEST REJECT treatment
Now this I believe would include the Christian community which to me concerns
me. Actually I find it amazing that 2/3rds of the Christians reject the final
message.
The rest of the world forget about it, they are a lost cause. They will not
make it at all!
If this doesn't bring about some enquiry in this time....forget about it! they
are already gone and finished.
I think this process is much deeper than what Christians think and Christians
have really got to study everything about this whole thing.
Quote:
""This is rest; give rest to the
weary; and this is repose"; yet they would not
hear.
Well that is the truth of the matter. Everyone will reject this opportunity of
faith and realisation, essentially because man has become a fool,
liar, cheat and evil in his thoughts, he is full of crap (must be to
much crap on idiota TV his real GOD) Remaining in that framework he virtually
extincts himself.
Like the walking hulks, the walking dead! Like Zombies! Ready for the final
curtain and in complete and total blindness with mighty ignorance. So stupid!
I don't even have much compassion for him. Sorry! Walking Hulk of nothing,
brainless, the living dead!
Isaiah thinks its 10% that will survive, Jesus feels its 1/3 that will survive
but is that 1/3 of the Christian Body?? Does that mean 2/3rds of the Christian
Body will not survive because of arrogance and pride including inaccurate
interpretation of man made doctrine?? And not to mention judgement on others
including real slothfulness when it comes to the expanded
truth that is arising!!
The odds are not good!
The only advice I can give for pride filled unbelievers is be at least half
hearted, that is OK. Even if your half hearted you will survive.
Even faith of a mustard seed is fine.
But just by the skin of your teeth! Nothing to be proud of! That's for sure
and there will be shame for not doing a thing for anyone because of
selfishness and self crap!.
regards
Sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:03 am
I thought this was interesting to.
Here is some good advise for this time and also reveals this exact process
that I have been going through in my view. Discoveries in parallel with the
scriptures in the physical through the time space adventure.
Quote:
Page 1112 -- Revelation teaches
mortal man that, to start
such a magnificent and intriguing adventure
through space by means of the progression of time,
he should begin by the organization of knowledge
into idea-decisions;
next,
mandate wisdom to labor
unremittingly at its noble task of transforming
self-possessed ideas into increasingly practical
but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so
reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the (Spirit of the Father)
dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render them available for such
association in the finite mind as will constitute them the actual human
complement thus made ready for
the action of the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the
time-space manifestations of Paradise truth--universal
truth.
The co-ordination of
idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth constitutes the possession
of a righteous character, the prerequisite for mortal admission to
the ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual
realities of the heavenly worlds.
Obviously there is such thing as spiritual creative evolution.
Fantastic advise and is exactly the path that I have been adventuring on.
The path to the ancient places are just so fantastic. Its is just so brilliant
that no man could even come close to put this together.
all the best
Sevens
You know if people don't wake up to themselves concerning
these things, then they are BLOODY IDIOTS. FAIR DINKUM its just ridiculous
how far away man is from the Father. Even in religion!
Quote:
Isaiah 49:8-13 At the time of my favor I will answer you; in a day
of my salvation I will help you. I have kept you. I will
give you as a covenant for the people,
to rouse up the earth, to cause to
inherit the forgotten heritages.
Saying to the prisoners, 'Come forth,' and to those who are in darkness,
'Show yourselves.' They shall feed along the
way;(ON THE RUN AS WE GO) on all the bare heights shall be their
pasture.
They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither
scorching wind nor sun shall smite them. For he that has pity on them
sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:20 am
You know if people don't wake up to themselves
concerning these things, then they are BLOODY IDIOTS. FAIR DINKUM its just
ridiculous how far away man is from the Father. Even in religion!
Quote:
Isaiah 49:8-13 At the time of my favor I will answer you; in a day of my
salvation I will help you. I have kept you. I will
give you as a covenant for the people,
to rouse up the earth, to cause to
inherit the forgotten heritages.
Saying to the prisoners, 'Come forth,' and to those who are in darkness,
'Show yourselves.' They shall feed along the
way;(ON THE RUN AS WE GO) on all the bare heights shall be their
pasture.
They shall not hunger nor thirst;
neither scorching wind nor sun shall smite them. For he that has pity on
them
Right on Father in Heaven!
The 3 main components here
is "a covenant" which is directly related to the physical
Quest for the Seven commands and in metaphor is coupled with the
complimentary spiritual experience. A new promise is made.
to "to rouse up the earth" Thats right, to talk about it,
proclaim it and to reveal it on the run, the discoveries and the journey
to the places. In the beforehand on the the run.
"to cause to inherit the forgotten heritages." To bring
the truth about and make the full connection and parallel in the
discovery. To cause people to look again and consider which enables them
to inherit the heritages which are the crowns and the treasure houses of
the planet.
Its all in the books and makes full connection in my mind and in my
personal experience in this journey of the ages a virtual real journey of
mankind and the Seven Paradise parallel.
I just think its just so majestic and grand, completely mighty and the
beautiful in full glory.
The whole construct! and how it plays out in the reality of time-space and
in the manifestation that was foreseen regarding the heritages. Amazing,
true glory of the Father.
sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:50 am
Quote:
shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he
guide them.
And I will make all my mountains a way, and my
highways shall be exalted.
Behold, these shall come from far: and lo,
these from the north and from the west; and
these from theland of Sinim.
Sing, for joy, O heavens; and exalt, O earth! Break forth O mountains into
singing. For Yahweh has comforted his people, and will have compassion on
his afflicted.
Good ole Australia/Sinim, the great sunburnt Land of Sinim
where all this comes from. Good ole aussie Digga way!
Praise the Lord 100% and digging away all the time in the great Sinim
spirit.
Kick some Goals for God in the Land of Sinim way.
yea!
Sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:50 am
Quote:
shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he
guide them.
And I will make all my mountains a way, and my
highways shall be exalted.
Behold, these shall come from far: and lo,
these from the north and from the west; and
these from theland of Sinim.
Sing, for joy, O heavens; and exalt, O earth! Break forth O mountains into
singing. For Yahweh has comforted his people, and will have compassion on
his afflicted.
Good ole Australia/Sinim, the great sunburnt Land of Sinim
where all this comes from. Good ole aussie Digga way!
Praise the Lord 100% and digging away all the time in the great Sinim
spirit.
Kick some Goals for God in the Land of Sinim way.
yea!
Quote:
shall lead them, even by the
springs of water shall he guide them.
The Father will lead man through the springs of truth and knowledge and he
will guide them and to make a new covenant with the followers of the springs
of truth.
Quote:
And I will make all my mountains
a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
In the journey to the ancient places through the books of all religion,
through the springs of truth and understanding where all his places of
significants of the past will be exalted and lift up in the heavens, the
"Kingdom of Heaven" The ancient places form a highway that leads directly to
a new book but in complete harmony with all the books of Religion.
Quote:
Behold, these shall come from far: and lo, these
from the north and from the west; and
these from the
land of Sinim.
These ancient cities will be in isolated and in multiple places, high and lo
which I feel refers to underwater, submerged or under rubble. From the North
and West, in multiple places where these places are discovered from afar in
the Land of Sinim, to the East which is the land oZ.
Quote:
Sing, for joy, O heavens; and
exalt, O earth! Break forth O mountains into singing. For Yahweh has
comforted his people, and will have compassion on his afflicted.
This to me is the acknowledgment and confirmation of everything about this
whole search to the places, the mountains. Even the heavens acknowledge and
do sing forth for the Father has acknowledged our cries and this I believe
is the confirmation of the things to come as was seen many thousands of
years before this time.
We have to be close to something!
Sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:05 am I will give you as a covenant for
the people, to rouse up the earth, to cause
to inherit the forgotten heritages.
Well thats it from the land of Sinim, now its up
to the COASTLANDS Eh!
I have to be honest, Since I discovered Ernest Moyes work I think he is
pretty close to the voice of the coastlands in the truth that sees in his
journey. I think alot of it is really good stuff and I find his work is read
easy to read and understand.
Anyway the Coastlands have to do a search in all of this
and bring it out in there research while we have opportunity.
I reckon this is the time based on the above Isaiah fragment. I think I have
fulfilled some of the scriptures here in this journey to the heritages and
everyone is a witness to the journey. I mean I can see it as plain as day as
wet as rainfall.
I think this is a major achievement for religion for the benefit of mankind.
Going places that we have never ventured to with attached information.
All the best
Sevens
Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:47 am the proposal of the
expeditions
On the basis of following the co planar rings
symbol, I propose that a third expedition is warranted to 1st Eden of Cyprus
to examine the Acropolis Hill on both sides and on top with video footage of
the whole cone especially directing attention to the 3 co planar rings that
exist there.
Simultaneously I feel an expedition should be launched in the Southern Persian
Gulf to Verify the lost city of Dalamatia and the 3 co planar features that is
centered in the middle of the triangle city.
If both 3 rings could be proven in both places and in addition the recovery
and the verification of stone slabs with the inscribed 7 commands. The final
confirmation. A triune discovery of the link in symbolism and design connected
together through Van and Amadon, the connection of the first and second temple
would then be proven in symbolism.
And if by chance the Van vestiges could proven in Iran that would be an
additional benefit and connection.
That would be the proposal from the Office of the Messiah.
It could be a worldwide simultaneous cast of two expeditions to link up in
symbolism of the 2 cities. Then third expedition to locate the rings of Van in
North Eastern Iran. Another connection to the truth of the matter and which
could be a triune exploration and verification.
That would be to the glory of the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven".
That would be the way. A triune worldwide event of the ages of discovery
linked by the 3 co planar circles.
Going a step further why not include the Nodite
cities including 1stSusa. All simultaneous and verified! That would link up
the triangle and single circle symbol that perpetuated through the Andites,
Egyptian, to Jesus Family tomb then to Mars and Jerusem. The whole line to the
Capitals..
Eh and not to mention the Vees from inside Jesus family and its connection to
the Veees of Dalamatia and to Mars Veees and circle symbol near the face of
Mars. It just goes on and on.
Sevens
Sevens
posted
11-17-2007 02:15 PM
Wirelessguru1
It almost sounds like atomic research in line with the construct of atoms and
its pieces.
I suppose it what is within us and our construct that form the decision process
and filtering process of whether we have enough wisdom is select the positive or
the negative road.
It all comes to choice and independence of choice and freedom to express choice
bet it negative or positive. I think the forums are a good place for the
filtering process as all information is processed and filtered as is guided from
within all of us.
As we scrutinize leaving no stone unturned we find better truth with further
expansion of our reality. For me in my journey to the first places I find this
kind of reality where it is more of the spiritual nature combined with a
timeline manifestation based on logical decision and being teachable at the same
time to further the thought through the research of the evolution and expansion
of the journey in the timeline of the first places.
Anyway brother, Im am very hopeful that this whole journey of truth and
expansion is leading to the waters of great things for us all. Its just majestic
the reality I see.
I really feel that the truth of all things is having an effect some where along
the line. I think much is being filtered and discarded along the way as what is
being presented doesn't match up according to certain standards of truth.
I believe where there is light there is no darkness and I believe truth dispels
negativity and self realisation of who we are and what we are a part of is very
positive. We are all venturing towards the light of truth.
I reckon something good for mankind is happening man.
Brotherhood and fraternity is a good thing and is one of the most positive and
antisocial thing to do. Its always been apart of man creative evolution.
Brotherhood is simply friendship and the sharing of ideas and thoughts.
Sevens
posted
11-17-2007 07:22 PM
Amazing image of the meteorite Wirelessguru1
Incredible, the expansion of it and particularly in the timeline.
I also agree with you that the truth of the universe has to come where the truth
of all things will set the proper order of a successful brotherhood.
Its only through brotherhood of truth, beauty and goodness that we shall enter
the realms of light and life.
Setting the Order means dispelling negativity and ignorance through the
discovery of truth undeniable across the board.
The Universe paradise or "the Kingdom of Heaven" is a very positive place, it
only stands to reason that its all positive and thats where our true destiny
lays. Positivity!
I'm positive about the future because in that spirit all the universe is behind
you. I feel they do respond in the timeline manifestation of realities, that's
why patience and wisdom is the key to time and manifestation being led and
guided.
All ready I'm starting to see positive signs showing some light, like in Iraq
where there is a reduction in terrorism, I think that is a great sign, perhaps
enlightenment and having a marker to make a good bearing from is the key. That
marker in my view is truth and understanding.
This why I feel that this journey through the ancient places may have a positive
effect on mankind which in my mind has soothing balm to the soul with its truth
in an exciting journey for the families of the world.
The adventure, mystery, discovery and verification along with a huge import of
the truth of the journey from all the books. The Testamony, the ark of the
testament.
This is light from the soul of man in its essence and that is precisely why this
journey will have sustainability while false truth that compels man to murder
families will never last.
Well there is a lot to consider for man on every level of existence. He has to
really think about his decisions based on the truth as discovered.
The truth being expanded currently is about the survival of us and as a species
not to mention the planet.
Its the fight for mankind current being waged right now in the principalities of
positive and negative.
Anyway brother, I think we are well on the road for a bright future with hope
and those who walk in truth will be absolutely safe as the planet goes through
the Abyss. The elect which can be anyone and the faithful will be safe and we
will all be successful in the eyes of the universe whose gaze is really upon us
NOW. I really do have faith in the teaching of Jesus where he provided the
positive news and I can really see his words and the prophets come to pass. I
believe its truth that we can have full confidence in whether one is half
hearted or not but willing to look into it.
That is the key, faith and in the demonstration through the timeline
manifestation. This is how Paradise speaks to us in this manifestation.
isn't there a Mother Shipton prophecy of the blue comet and the changes it
brings to this planet as it passes through our vicinity. isn't the same kind of
thing contained in Revelation somewhere.
Ah I thought the synchronicity was interesting in the current discussion.
Right If I where the government of the Land of Sinim, these
would be the things I would anticipate.
I would expect that under a major sea rise of 6 meters. Most of our
infrastructure and homes would be inundated in low lying areas.
So therefore you would have a moving population.
There would be very little water and food not to mention proper shelter.
If I where a government I would release and begin to produce Tesla technology so
that each device could provide power from the atmosphere to run there tent.
Civilization will be living in tents, if this event occurs, so therefore I would
mass produce tents or some unit for accommodation.
I would mass produce water distillery units run by solar energy and devices to
capture water from atmosphere.
These systems would provide power to households and to enable them to run the
community grow houses run by these systems.
The whole exercise is to produce energy independence and each energy devise must
be able to me made with simple components that can be basically manufactured in
temporary conditions.
In situations like this the profit motive will have to taken out as that will
not ensure our survival.
Life would have to be community based with brotherhood in able to survive the
last remnants of civilization.
Most infrastructure would be destroyed or obsolete.
There would little resources available and the energy devices must be
independent of Sun. These systems may have to operate riding on the natural
energy in the atmosphere running on DC energy.
Bore water locations would have to be sought out in inland and upper areas so
its contents can be relocated and provide clean drinking water.
The key is that all suppressed knowledge of these energy devices have to be
released right know and worked on freely.
That was probably the purpose of these discoveries in the early 20th century for
this impending time of change.
Sites for a tent civilization should scouted out now and provisions should be
made now for the population.
They key is independent tesla energy devices that can be used in a home
independently running grow houses. A civilization that is independent but
community based. Back to village life.
Natural materials that can be easily manufactured using natural products.
All knowledge to should be stored safely or else all knowledge and skill will be
lost.
If the above images and the prophecy of them is the sign then all governments
should plan now.
But I doubt that they will as they may be faraway from this scenario in there
minds.
It could be a Noah scenario and the planning fro the survival of civilization is
the boat where there will be the gathering of knowledge and resources and useful
animals.
It would take a great leader to make this happen.
In the Land of Sinim we have elections soon. Looking at the leaders talk and
seeing the impending scenario make all there words look frivolous and out of
touch. They cant help civilization when it comes to this impending scenario.
They would be the ones running for cover and dumping the rest.
Its really up to man himself to take the lead and this is where the churches
should help but they only save themselves to.
Well then the only option is really the rapture of the elect and faithful to be
saved as a remnant because all else due to a lack of planning by our leaders now
will be gone.
Mankind is to far distracted at the moment and hell bent on power and war and I
believe out of touch with the spiritual forces of the Universe and Paradise.
Man will become an animal when it comes to food, water and shelter. They will
maurade en mass and in groups looking for sustainability. Morals will be
compromised if we dont plan NOW!
Also I want to say that the last rebel on this planet is out to destroy
civilisation through a web a blindness that is over man. I feel the motive is to
divide man and distract him from seeing the signs. The planet does not worship
the rebel and the rebel is therefore out to destroy man through man through
nature whereby we miss the signs and plan not as we go through the abyss.
Wisdom is the only thing that will save us and planning now is the key.
I personally am not fearful as I know the Father is in control of this and
provisions have been made by Paradise to save man. Thank you Jesus! Man is safe
in light of any disaster which only means failure of the rebels plans.
If this message was the absolute correct thing and right on the money, I dont
know if it will go anywhere. No one will act on this research and if there is a
reaction it would be limited. The world is being deceived and is really blinded
to the signs.
Positive plans of the survival of civilization based on simple but effective
perpetual technology have to drawn up now.
It would be the best thing for governments to do and it would be good election
thing to but then its in the doing not the talking. Make it an issue
"Plans of survival under the conditions of a sudden 6 meter sea level rise"
CSIRO should be looking at perpetual energy and grow houses and water vapor
capturing devices and tent making facilities. In addition, all resources should
be located and knowledge with plans for mining the resources for the community
to build infrastructure. ...no profit!
Profit is pet reason why man is in this scenario, the lust for profit tap
without wisdom for the planet.
I know in the Urantia Book the Ancient of Days
are desirous that our New Society and its construct be based on another
civilisation on a sister sphere.
Just a hint there are no cities on this continent and its a little different.
Unfortunately, the model we have today is bring us to death and destruction and
planetary failure. I think the effect that our society is having on the planet
is unsustainable.
I would plan in both scenarios of Cold and hot with not much water around. It
could be that the Leyland brothers water making technique might be a the key.
Collecting water from evaporation and from the atmosphere and bore with may be
some really effective desalination.
Again the key is perpetual small energy devices
that run on the planets energy circuits, energy from the atmosphere, DC energy.
Also I would develop anti gravity systems now.
I would develop and plan now for a bleak time in the planet and save useful
knowledge for the new world heading for utopia.
I tell you Jesus words and the words of the
prophets and seers will save us. Only brotherhood and the wisdom of Jesus will
get us through. It maybe primitive for a while but we will get through and
adjust. But the community of brotherhood like with Essenes will get mankind
through.
This community should be organized now.
This is where religion should come into play in building this community and
advising the leaders but don't think thats going to happen and if it does it
would be shallow advice.
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 02:08 PM
I just really thank the Father for bringing
personalities to this planet such as these excellent individuals who bring light
into the world through there creativity and releasing knowledge for the benefit
of the future and for mankind
This is the key to our problems and our planetary community.
This should be developed now and all suppression should be lifted in the name of
survival of our species in light of the impending changes seen in prophecy.
This would be the key to our transport problems that would use the energy
circuits of the planet to provide mobility and energy.
Sevens
Here is another form of technology that can be
used for the new world and the going through the changes.
When they say that Nuclear energy is the only answer. What a
croc of crap that one is.
As you can see we don't need nuclear energy nor do we have to be dependent for
our energy and transportation needs or even growing needs in independent growing
houses. Particularly of the planet goes through the abyss and we certainly don't
need whale oil.
sevens
posted
11-18-2007 04:01 PM
I thought I saw these images 5 years ago
Nothing new since then, same ole dribble.
I just get really sick of the same repetitive self serving crap of your ego with
any drawing from anything else.
Pure Self indulgence to the max without any objectivity based anything that is
said.
Riven some ole dribble that means nothing to no one because it doesn't make
sense.
I reckon this is the type of stuff that wastes man time.
All it is "Is look at me Im the king serve me according to my self vain glory
imagination"
What a piece of crap, man needs needs more help than your absolute garbage.
sevens
posted
11-18-2007 04:01 Pm
quote:
Dear Sevens: Do you think Dilmun was an Elamite City?Or
Sumerian?I know Elamites and Sumerians are related But, I think Elamites
appeared later.
Where in the Sumerian myths talks about Dilmun?
Hi Julia I gave you a response but Riven Edited the response
out, he is the moderator of this stupid thread.
He is a piece crap who walk the line of untruth.
He is so gutless as to take out people response because he is weak and fearful
and he cannot overcome because he has nothing to offer and never did as if it
never existed.
Further indication of this new work of revelation is
also implied in the brief passage of Rev 10:7. Revelation will take place to
end the mystery, to remove it once and for all. This, in turn, would imply the
action of individuals to bring understanding to their fellow men. Since
this action comes at the sound of the seventh trumpet , during the period
of severe earth afflictions, the mystery will be removed at the end of the
age.
The remark in John's Revelation follows closely with the remarks from Daniel
and from Jesus' statements in Matthew 24. All three sources indicate new
revelation in the last days of the earth age, associated with great
afflictions and persecutions.
Elsewhere God described these agents of his new revelation. They will not
come in familiar garb. They will not use familiar phrases. They will not
be naive youngsters. They will come with an understanding of God's will, not
merely from the Bible, but in a larger context of physical and universe
reality; little facts here and little facts there, precepts and ideas and
thoughts beyond the confines of blind Judaism or Christianity.
To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message?
Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast? For it is
precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little. Nay, but by men of strange lips and with an
alien tongue the LORD will speak to his people. To whom he said, "This is
rest, give rest to the weary, and this is repose." Yet they would not listen.
Therefore, the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept, precept
upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little
That they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isa
28:9-13.
We should pay careful heed to this revelation. An alien tongue is one which
has no familiar place in familiar religious circles. These servants come
with a language which is startling to ears that seek security in the comfort
of old worn phrases. The new revelation reaches beyond the boundaries of
traditional precepts and conventional theologies. Men never heard such
things. Because these revelations are beyond the realm of traditional thought
Jews and Christians will grasp in bewilderment. Many will reject and be lost.
I discovered this researcher about a month ago, similar to me
uses the UB as a base and follows through all the texts of religion.
I reckon this researcher is right on it and is one of the best researchers I
have studied.
I have confidence in his research.
All ready he is picking up the mystery while this section of the work is
revealing the last great mystery. Which the Sevenfold Angels will call in with
the Seventh trumpet, Seven ...sounds familiar??
Off course the work is part of the operations of the Cosmic Sons of
Destiny...mortals working directly with the Paradise deities for the positive
destiny of the planet!
Sevens
Posted:
Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject:
I tend to think 11:11 and the people who support
and promote it are getting a little carried away with themselves where it
borders on psychic superstition.
I reckon just about all the psychic stuff is rubbish and can be very misleading!
Upon seeing 11:11 I would simply have a chuckle! and that's it.
The people promoting it have not produced any results of demonstration at all
that is useful to the transition with all there psychic stuff, its just another
miracle seeking thing.
I am not interested in that superstition and I'm not interested in the people
promoting it...they should know much better than that!
They should really grow up a little! and get on to the real things in life, in
this current time.
Those kind of things should never be relied upon.
Dont mean to upset anyone but that's how I feel
seeing what I see in this journey!
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 06:17 PM
Hi Brig, maybe on the first post no worries.
However on the second post about ice, the expansion of water is dependent of the
temperature of the water, as the temperature of the water rises, it expands to a
greater volume. That would be the problem with all the extra water.
Man!! The Tuvalu natives are a point in case.
They have virtually lost there homeland undeniable due to this problem. While we
sit at home comfortable and disconnected in full truth! Only believing what we
want to believe even to the point of denial and ignorance.
sevens
posted
11-18-2007 06:34 PM
Hey Wirelessguru is my friend least he shares
and his ideas and I try to think on his level to find connection and parallel.
I would never recommend any family or young person to listen to your threads
they are unsubstantiated and all of it is wrong man.
Your a bad man, man.
I like Epsilon and Nikas far better than you, your the worst of the worst! But
there OK ahahahahah!
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 06:48 PM
I know that's why his information will never stand any
testing.
Least with what we do is lay a plausible foundation with many links as possible
to run the theory. A theory of thought that can be expanded upon with other
researchers to make the image more complete.
Listening to Riven is just offal, no one can make head or tale of it..just crap.
Its not even inspiring seeing that he talks in this death and destruction vain
and does not seek to find any solution at all that could be expanded on with
practicality.
You will never get a direct answer because he knows NOT! and will never know
until he gets of his high horse with his veiled threats.
Its he that should be in repentance to the Father of the Universe for his
spiritual arrogance and wrongness and get on with it and be a part of this new
world we are about to enter.
His truth would never save us but would bring us back to death and destruction
with no revelatory value without nor gravity nor weight.
Its a really hopeless case.
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 06:51 PM
For sure wirelessguru.
Always friends mate, we seek to find the truth of the matter. No matter how
varying our ideas we are in brotherhood and that always lasts as that is an
eternal feature that does exist for evermore no matter the circumstance nor on
what level of existence.
One thing I know as we venture in the path truth we are Sons of the light and we
can stand tall and proud of what we do in a daily inquiry of the Father of all
things within us.
I know the Father in heaven is happy that mankind does inquire in all things.
But then all things are being tested and alot rubbish is being sorted out by us
all.
What rings truth stays and what is false is out the door. I'm just sick of false
things and false proclamations without demonstration. Nothing that could be
built upon using all methods which includes science and independent evaluation.
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 07:18 PM
Brig,
I mean to say,
We have droughts, wars, injustice all over the world, Blue comets coming our way
or in the vicinity, we have discoveries of our origins and warnings.
What more does man need regarding the grave signs.
It just hopeless man will not respond quick enough with the right stuff!
He just to bloody want because he is to disconnected and laxs.
If rapture is the only viable option because of mans laziness then the elect
will be surely missed and there words will be there only witness to what the
remnant will go through.
And that will be mankind's failure and shame, great shame for not reacting in
the appropriate ways as recommended by the prophets and seers.
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 06:51 PM
For sure wirelessguru.
Always friends mate, we seek to find the truth of the matter. No matter how
varying our ideas we are in brotherhood and that always lasts as that is an
eternal feature that does exist for evermore no matter the circumstance nor on
what level of existence.
One thing I know as we venture in the path truth we are Sons of the light and we
can stand tall and proud of what we do in a daily inquiry of the Father of all
things within us.
I know the Father in heaven is happy that mankind does inquire in all things.
But then all things are being tested and alot rubbish is being sorted out by all
of us all.
What rings truth stays and what is false is out the door. I'm just sick of false
things and false proclamations without demonstration. Nothing that could be
built upon using all methods which includes science and independent evaluation.
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 07:22 PM
I know presently wirelessguru,
You can see it all coming out of the woodwork, people who claim they have
Satan's Heart are seeing it in reverse, they are held by Satan's heart with
false doctrine and false words about there pitiful self.
Just the fact there is a relationship with Satans heart entertained by RIVEN
contradicts the prophets outright advise which is have nothing to with the last
rebel. Absolutely nothing.
He perverts mans mind as we can see.
sevens
posted
11-18-2007 07:29 PM
Now Riven would be so angry with me he would be projecting his
Psychic darts of warfare, but I reject that too.
They will never penetrate this Sevenfold operation.
Sevens
posted
11-18-2007 07:41 PM
Hey Wirelessguru thanks.
I have to watch for my own negativity.
Thanks I will take your advise.
Anyway I said what I wanted to say I just had to say and get out of me, I mean
no harm but I wish there be better truth than yesterday truth.
thanks again
sevens
posted
11-18-2007 08:00 PM
You know wirelessguru.
It will be like this.
One day in the future in the kingdom of heaven.
III be sitting at coffee shop near the pearly gates being served a really nice
morontia coffee when suddenly this gentleman walking by will be compelled to sit
at my table Then this gentleman will speak in terms that I am familiar with.
When I hear his conversation I will know exactly who it is and where he came
from. The great state of California.
And at that point of realization we will just have the biggest laugh and be in
the greatest joy of accomplishment.
Thats is the hope in faith I look to.
In the simplest things but with great joy of eternal life and satisfaction that
we made it through the abyss on this wayward planet.
That table is open to anyone!
Sevens
Posted:
Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:14 am Post subject:
Kreneep, no worries at
all.
I myself see them 1111 all the time and I have made note of them and chuckled.
May its a little symbolism for reassurance but I dont think it should be more
than that.
In the transition it wont come about through channels or anything like that.
It will be purely through the words of all the prophets and seers of relevance
with man with God unlocking and discovering the greatest Sevenfold mystery on
the planet. The Heritages of the Ages which are ours!
All done by faith and in the timeline manifestation of the final reality. Where
all components start to fit in place.
Soothsayers and channelers and all those people who subvert the urantia truth to
serve there ends wont be part of this realization including those who pretend to
manifest the midwayers and pitch all this waffle.
Midwayers have more class than that and they know its by faith only. There is no
between, its just straight God and Man together through the action of thought
adjuster and nothing in between. Gone are the days of the so called Gurus.
Thats why when they say stuff it never come to pass. Because they cant respond
and the so called messages are just there own minds and spiritual ego.
When it comes to truth in backyards they run for cover like spiritual cowards.
Find your own truth as you are. The UB is a great book and it will take a
lifetime to get through it all. No one needs these soothsayers they just confuse
the issues greatly with more distraction to the real things of life.
There is enough to keep us all occupied without the the burden of these psychcic
phoenomenaists hatching attention to themselves.
There is only way that this place will transition and thats through the Jesus
way through his teachings and the guidance he gives as we walk in pure faith
alone and yet being responsible.
All the best
sevens
Posted:
Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:23 am Post subject:
Hi
I dont discount it I just think its been taken too far and out of context for
what I believe was a symbol of simple reassurance.
sevens
Posted:
Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject:
phoenomenon of things of seven
I dont think me using Sevens or the a sevens pattern is psychic phenomena.
Sevens was a nickname that I chose since it was practical as it relates to my
research site as in the name, I lost my password on my original nickname.
I think the fact that universe is underpinned by a Seven reflection is more in
pattern rather than Pshycic phoenomena. I think its more pattern rather than
pshycic. Its not as If something told me use the Sevens pattern luke and use
this name. It all come from within not looking at external forces not like in a
channeling thing or trance like condition.
Purely a conscious decision on my part.
All the work leading to the places is nothing but the books and working through
them in a focalised fashion.
I would say that my journey would be based on this.
Quote:
Page 1112 --
Revelation teaches mortal
man that, to
start such a
magnificent and intriguing adventure
through space by means of the progression of time,
he should begin by the organization of knowledge
into idea-decisions;
next,
mandate wisdom to
labor unremittingly at its noble
task of transforming self-possessed ideas into
increasingly practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those
concepts which are so reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the
(Spirit of the Father) dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render
them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute
them the actual human complement thus made ready for
the action of
the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the
time-space manifestations of Paradise truth--universal
truth.
The
co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth
constitutes the possession of a righteous character,
the prerequisite for mortal admission to the
ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the heavenly
worlds.
I feel when the father spritizes logical decisions he actually gives it value
and meaning through the timeline manifestation.
Exactly what I feel I have been going through in this journey to the Heritage of
Ages.
I dont believe there is an pshycic phonomena responsible in the journey. It was
mainly deduction, much contemplation, looking for evidence on a thought thread,
looking here and there to see if I could find similiar reflections. All of it
was from within and not from an outside source. I believe through the thought
adjuster in faith.
What was the greatest stimulus was the all the little and major discoveries
along the way as I followed the thought threads of my mind, really, God and Man
journey together.
Mind you I have changed my thoughts along the way evolving the thought at the
time.
However at the end of the day we have to go out there and checkout these things
and verify and recover for the ultimate proof.
Maybe the Father may spiritize the journey more so as to manifest the reality of
the heritages. Im not sure!
Well at the end of the day I suppose there is some internal pshycic phoenomena
but very much it is from within in the relationship with the Father in the
Kingdom of Heaven and thats pretty well it. There is in between or outside
entity, its a direct friendship on the simplest terms from the source of love.
I really feel it when I find all these things that I feel are relevant. Since I
haven't been here I have made good strides and I feel happy with the thought
thread of the places and here it at. I think I have all the places in the right
areas with tantalizing anomalies that we can inspect already.
I think I have the Dilmuns in the right places and I think what I named
Tipura/Dilmun, I renamed to 1st Susa it just dawned on me what those anomalies
where.
Those ruins to the West of Dilmun to the North was 1st Susa not far from the
Elam mountains and in the middle of there then empire.
Due to floods they went to the North to build 2ndSusa.
Anyway I dont if its psychic phoenomena but personally when people channel
things as if something speaking through them.
I'm very skeptical because in real truth I'm not sure that is necessary these
days and I feel transition will not be underpinned by the words of channelers
and those looking for external pshychic phoenomena. Looking for miracles.
Mind you the mystery of the ages has been opened for all time but the conditions
had to be right to find it.
It wasnt "go here and find this and then there and then find that" or " I am so
and so of so and so federation where the orders of the blue lodge commands us to
to tell you of the great revealing"
Nothing like that.
It was when I read about the Garden of Eden on the Boat that I was really
inspired to find the place and I persisted from there on so therefore the Father
spritized the idea and logical decision and led me through the books perhaps
spiritize the discoveries. As you know at the time I was following the Books and
I locked my self in the 10 week Enoch judgement with ferver when the places was
discovered so I feel the conditions was right and in the right environment that
Paradise could respond in the timeline and in the books of the Words of the
Father including the fantastic Urantia Book.
Everything about the journey has been based on logical decision and thats was
the journey and from there I was guided through the inner workings of the
thought adjuster and the Father.
About the 11:11 Oh well I better not be to judgmental and negative. But I dont
think it should be iconized and mixed in with channelling using the Urantia
presentation as a base. The whole focus is on the father and the inner
relationship with man. I think 11"11 and all that should be seen in more simple
perspective, like perhaps a wink and a chuckle so what, but when people string
out all these messages from so called Morojonson and this guy and that bloke,
Its not necessary and over time there words loose power because they fail to
demonstrate.
All the best
Sevens
Posted:
Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject:
Hey Vann I went to the
site.
I remember I posted some images of 1stEden and they took it down. I was just
sharing the fine discovery.
Im not interested in there information and I read some of the channelling of
Christ Michael. I am skeptical of that especially what they are saying
you could find it in a normal hymnal in a church.
In saying that, the planet is awash with truth in printed material, the truth is
with us but for some reason man cant seem to step out and look beyond his
boundaries. That because of fear of doctrine, complacency and generally not
interested.
I'm not impressed with the site at all.
I'm quite happy to read the urantia Book and the books of religion and
scientific studies.
And I'm certainly not interested people who use that technique of alluring
people using a channel technique based on a book that expressedly does not
support those techniques.
thanks for the link
regards
Sevens
Posted:
Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject:
I'm afraid in this case of
transition man has to find and realize the truth himself. I believe this is
really important and all to do with Faith and the relationship with the Father.
No Gurus or intermediaries, Gurus are currently in the dark and not aware of the
process going on related to our heritages.
I wouldn't trust any Guru in what there saying if he cant demonstrate!
Nothing, but trust yourself and the thought adjuster.
Sevens
Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:18 am
Has anyone considered that if a great piece of
Antartic, like half! If that occurred and melted rapidly and due to warming of
the extra water created a 6 meter sea level rise. That would mean that all the
sea ports would be destroyed including cites and infrastructure.
I feel this could be a near potential possibility and something we should all
be planning for NOW!
Im really serious about this.
An event like this would destroy Babylon and all the seafears and traders will
be weeping. Weeping at the loss of Babylon.
I feel that world system would be destroyed through a sudden level rise
including many cities.
If that was a near term event and all leaders of the world ignore this then
mankind will enter a very grave scenario.
I also feel that because of the extra weight of liquid water bearing on the
Crust there could much land emergence and submergence. I could the earth
balancing itself with this extra weight like a reconfiguration of the planet
to equalize the the pressure.
I don't mean to scaremonger or anything like that but to me it seems like a
logical thing and I believe its in revelation.
Like where it says that man will be living in caves gnashing his teeth wishing
the mountains would fall on him. It seems to suggest no comfort at all, there
will be great earth changes and man in many cases will loose his life with now
where to go.
I strongly urge that we really think about this. Going on memory in revelation
that the remnant will protected and gathered some where. It seems to suggest a
place of safety for the Lord people. That means that people with faith will
prepare for this event. I wonder if this entail governments. I believe
governments will fall and anarchy could take over as there is no food and
water. Men will be marauding for survival and for time it seems to suggest
that it will be survival of the fittest and prepared.
My suggestion to survive Is
relocate to a higher area at least 400ft or above. Stock pile food and water.
Governments of responsibility should plan for this now. All world leaders
should release all free energy technologies that have been obtained including
corporations and should start developing Tesla technology so all families have
a portable energy pack that delivered more than enough power to supply all
energy needs for a large family.
Energy supplied to these family energy packs would have to be energized from
the atmosphere. The purpose would be to make each family portable and
independent with abundant energy to use.
Also anti gravity devices should be employed as demonstrated on Google video.
Also water vapor capturing devices should be employed to water from the
atmosphere.
If there is darkness that envelopes the world many weeks these devices should
keep man surviving in all weather circumstances and conditions.
For shelter tents and mobile houses powered by Tesla DC devices that can drive
the mobile unit using to other locations at greater height using anti gravity
devices powered. All viechle should operated on Anti gravity without the use
of petroleum should be used to make the roving community mobile. For food, Hot
houses should be employed in on Anti gravity mobile houses that can be moved
using the Tesla DC devices all power should be able to operate these mobile
houses.
Then for building material as all current manufacturing would be demolished is
the perhaps the use of Hemp as that can be down into building materials and
even manufactured into smooth panels that can be used for houses and viechle.
There will be no oil for plastics as that much of that industry infrastructure
would be destroyed and oil distribution would be impossible because of no
ports due to a rising sea level.
Anyway that I feel is the scenario
If no one listens III get people to look at it the matter. Just out of simple
curiosity.
Sevens
Has anyone considered that if a great piece of
Antartic, like half! If that occurred and melted rapidly and due to warming of
the extra water created a 6 meter sea level rise. That would mean that all the
sea ports would be destroyed including cites and infrastructure.
I feel this could be a near potential possibility and something we should all
be planning for NOW!
Im really serious about this.
An event like this would destroy Babylon and all the seafears and traders will
be weeping. Weeping at the loss of Babylon.
I feel that world system would be destroyed through a sudden level rise
including many cities.
If that was a near term event and all leaders of the world ignore this then
mankind will enter a very grave scenario.
I also feel that because of the extra weight of liquid water bearing on the
Crust there could much land emergence and submergence. I could the earth
balancing itself with this extra weight like a reconfiguration of the planet
to equalize the the pressure.
I dont mean to scaremonger or anything like that but to me it seems like a
logical thing and I believe its in revelation.
Like where it says that man will be living in caves gnashing his teeth wishing
the mountains would fall on him. It seems to suggest no comfort at all, there
will be great earth changes and man in many cases will loose his life with now
where to go.
I strongly urge that we really think about this. Going on memory in revelation
that the remnant will protected and gathered some where. It seems to suggest a
place of safety for the Lord people. That means that people with faith will
prepare for this event. I wonder if this entail governments. I believe
governments will fall and anarchy could take over as there is no food and
water. Men will be maurading for survival and for time it seems to suggest
that it will be survival of the fitest and prepared.
My suggestion to survive Is
relocate to a higher area at least 400ft or above. Stock pile food and water.
Governments of responsibility should plan for this now. All world leaders
should release all free energy technologies that have been obtained including
corporations and should start developing Tesla technology so all families have
a portable energy pack that delivered more than enough power to supply all
energy needs for a large family.
Energy supplied to these family energy packs would have to be energized from
the atmosphere. The purpose would be to make each family portable and
independent with abundant energy to use.
Also anti gravity devices should be employed as demonstrated on Google video.
Also water vapor capturing devices should be employed to water from the
atmosphere.
If there is darkness that envelopes the world many weeks these devices should
keep man surviving in all weather circumstances and conditions.
For shelter tents and mobile houses powered by Tesla DC devices that can drive
the mobile unit using to other locations at greater height using anti gravity
devices powered. All viechle should operated on Anti gravity without the use
of petroleum should be used to make the roving community mobile. For food, Hot
houses should be employed in on Anti gravity mobile houses that can be moved
using the Tesla DC devices all power should be able to operate these mobile
houses.
Then for building material as all current manufacturing would be demolished is
the perhaps the use of Hemp as that can be down into building materials and
even manufactured into smooth panels that can be used for houses and viechle.
There will be no oil for plastics as that much of that industry infrastructure
would be destroyed and oil distribution would be impossible because of no
ports due to a rising sea level.
Anyway that I feel is the scenario
If no one listens III get people to look at it the matter. Just out of
curiosity.
Sevens
posted
11-26-2007 01:03 AM
quote:
Isa 2:19-21
And men shall enter the caves of the rocks and the holes of the ground, from
before the terror of Yahweh, and from the glory of his majesty, when he
rises to terrify the earth . In that day men will cast forth their idols
of silver and their idols of gold, which they made for themselves to worship,
to the moles and to the bats, to enter the caverns of the rocks and the clefts
of the cliffs, from before the terror of Yahweh, and from the glory of his
majesty, when he rises to terrify the earth.
and
Isa 56:10-11
His watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all dumb
dogs, they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, loving to slumber. The dogs have
a mighty appetite; they never have enough. The shepherds also have no
understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to his own gain,
one and all.
12 "Come," they say, "let us get wine, let us fill ourselves with strong
drink; and tomorrow will be like this day, great beyond measure."
The following could relate directly to the all cities of the nations being
damaged by rapid sea level rise.
Ezek 7:16-19 And if any survivors escape, they will be on the mountains, like
doves of the valleys, all of them moaning, every one over his iniquity. All
hands are feeble, and all knees weak as water. They gird themselves in
sackcloth, and horror covers them; shame is upon all faces, and baldness upon
all heads. They cast their silver into the streets, and their gold is like an
unclean thing; their silver and gold are not able to deliver them in the day
of the wrath of the LORD; they cannot satisfy their hunger or fill their
stomachs with it. For it was the stumbling block of their iniquity.
Isa 3:18-26 In that day the Lord will take away the finery of the anklets, the
headbands, the crescents, the pendants, the bracelets, the scarves, the
headdresses, the armlets, the sashes, the perfume boxes, the amulets, the
signet rings and nose rings, the festal robes, the mantles, the cloaks, the
handbags, the garments of gauze, the linen garments, the turbans, and the
veils. Instead of perfume there will be rottenness; instead of a girdle, a
rope; instead of well-set hair, baldness; instead of a rich robe, a girding of
sackcloth; instead of beauty, shame. Your men shall fall by the sword and your
mighty men in battle. And her gates shall lament and mourn; ravaged,
she shall sit upon the ground.
Isa 22:12-13 In that day the Lord GOD of hosts called to weeping and mourning,
to baldness and girding with sackcloth .
Isa 15:2-3 The daughter of Dibon has gone up to the high places to
weep; over Nebo and over Med'eba Moab wails. On every head is baldness, every
beard is shorn; in the streets they gird on sackcloth; on the housetops and in
the squares every one wails and melts in tears.
Amos 8:10 I will turn your feasts into mourning , and all your songs
into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness on every
head; I will make it like the mourning for an only son, and the end of it
like a bitter day .
Rapid Sea Level rise would destroy Babylon and the system.
sevens
posted
11-26-2007 01:41 AM
quote:
Warnings to God's People
Isa 10:22 For though your people Israel be like the sand of the sea, only a
remnant of them will return. Destruction is decreed, overflowing with
righteousness.
Isa 13:6-16 Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; as destruction from the
Almighty it will come! Therefore all hands will be feeble, and every man's
heart will melt, and they will be dismayed. Pangs and agony will seize them;
they will be in anguish like a woman in travail. They will look aghast at one
another; their faces will be aflame. Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel,
with wrath and fierce anger, to make the earth a desolation and to destroy its
sinners from it. For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will
not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not
shed its light. I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their
iniquity; I will put an end to the pride of the arrogant, and lay low the
haughtiness of the ruthless. I will make men more rare than fine gold, and
mankind than the gold of Ophir. Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and
the earth will be shaken out of its place, at the wrath of the LORD of hosts
in the day of his fierce anger. And like a hunted gazelle, or like sheep with
none to gather them, every man will turn to his own people, and every man will
flee to his own land. Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is
caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished.
this could happen with sea level rise.
Jer 51:58 Thus says the LORD of hosts: The broad wall of Babylon shall be
leveled to the ground and her high gates shall be burned with fire. The
peoples labor for nought, and the nations weary themselves only for fire.
Babylon will be lost, that means the system if rapid sea level
occurs.
sevens
posted
11-26-2007 01:50 AM
about the demise of Babylon
quote:
Revelation 18:10 (Read all of Revelation 18)
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that
great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
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after the demise of Babylon due to rapid sea level rise Life is hell.
Revelation 18:2 (Read all of Revelation 18)
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen , and is become the habitation of devils , and
the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
and interesting timeline.
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Matthew 1:17 (Read all of Matthew 1)
So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations;
and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen
generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are
fourteen generations.
3x14 or 6 sevens
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and another example of Babylon being thrown down die to sea level rise, the
stone could be the 7 commands, the confirmation of the journey and the
discovery. "Took up a stone" It could mean discovered the stone and recovered
the stone from the City in the depth of the sea.
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Revelation 18:21 (Read all of Revelation 18)
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and
cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great
city Babylon be thrown down , and shall be found no more at all.
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5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE
MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman
drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of
Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee
the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the
seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and
shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that
dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book
of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast
that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom.
The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 1 0 And
there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not
yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast
that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth
into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which
have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the
beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto
the beast.
When was the last time the polar caps had no ice??
Well Smiley
I reckon your a limited person, such foolish things to say particularly when
people are loosing there homes already and you have qualified scientists at the
poles saying the same things.
Most of your comments are fairly ignorant to the fact that the leader of the UN
is urging change to our ways NOW for it will get worse. It has nothing to do
with your great pride and prejudice seen in your reply referring to politics in
the usual and conspiratorial fear which means nothing to most people.
This is way beyond politics as the world Babylon system is very much threatened
by the current potential of a rapid sea level rise.
Something like this would destroy the System.
Even the bible mentions the destruction of the Babylon system...You know that
includes the system that feeds and houses you. Thats the system that provides
the money for you to do things and at the same time pollute the planet to
everyones demise without a care. But you couldn't give a hoot looking at your
reply.
If there is a rapid sea level rise all the ports to civilization would be
greatly disrupted and then how would you get your little comforts?
Anyway, I suggest you get over your ignorant little self and read the scriptures
since you call yourself a Christian. I would never come to you for advise after
reading your shallow comments.
You mention a cycle, could be! The thing is we are in that cycle and it does not
looking better for us actually by all reports is looks rather crappy for man.
Im sure the Ice caps will listen to you.
The day man is forced to leave his home because of sea level rise will be a day
of great sorrow and mourning and you guys in the states know exactly whats that
all about, already.
Wake up will ya!
I would think this is the state of play with many many asleep people and
describes much of civilization today who fail in there religious duty towards
his fellow man but would rather watch TV or play computer games and get fat
eating Babylon processed Food including really shallow and crappy conversation
that means absolutely nothing, all administered by Babylon.
quote:
Isa 56:10-11 His watchmen are blind, they are all without knowledge; they are all
dumb dogs , they cannot bark; dreaming, lying down, loving to slumber. The
dogs have a mighty appetite; they never have enough . The shepherds
also have no understanding; they have all turned to their own way, each to
his own gain , one and all.
Sevens
Sevens
posted
11-26-2007 11:55 PM
I think every government has a level of corruption...man cant
help himself.
Come what may with the UN and there projections but I think its very serious and
everyone is a little to comfortable thinking all this will happen in hundreds of
years.
What happens then we are face to face more so with the problems that we know of
today which we can correct today?
Personally I think the whole planet is slipping down the abyss whether it takes
a few years or months it still does not look good.
I'm sure the generation face this problem will ask why did you not do anything
then?
The old man will just say we got to self absorbed to care. Sorry about that! The
young man walks away bitterly disappointed at our efforts of today!
Sevens
posted
11-27-2007 12:11 AM
quote:
Sevens, if it has already been written, then so it will
happen...
I totally agree wirelessguru1
I reckon the prophets where reliable in respect to what we see today.
But everyone seems to think this state of play is normal. Even people people
predicting change I doubt can see the signs.
What about the people teaching the Prosperity doctrine.
If all happens in the near future there will be absolutely no riches for anyone.
Thats why I think the Prosperity doctrine is false doctrine because prosperity
is not seen in the end time of this age.
The only guys who get prosperity are the elect and faithful for having faith and
doing relevant things, could be anyone. Less than that nothing much really.
Sevens
Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:28 pm
Dalamatia City......The beginning of future things to
come!
I was curious about the following text in relation to the cities. I tho9ught
this piece in metaphor was interesting. How it points to the water and the
seas with the inference of God being in the sea with ships traveling over him.
Then you have reference to the city and the walls and the city of Salvation. I
wonder if this in metaphor actually hints to the discovery of the first city
and its significants.
Quote:
Col 14
19 . . . testimony. have allowed themselves to be enticed by those spreading
lies . . . in the service of justice,
20 even though you, God, commanded them to seek fortune far from their
paths, walking on your holy path, on which the uncircumcised, the unclean,
the vicious
21 do not travel. They have staggered off the path of your heart and in . .
. calamity they languish. Belial is the counselor
22 of their heart. . . . . . . schemes of wickedness they wallow in guilt.
I have become like a sailor in a ship in the raging
23 seas: their waves and all their breakers
roar over me, a whirlwind without a lull for taking breath, without
24 a track to take a straight path over the surface of the water.
The deep thunders at my sigh.
my soul nears the gates of death. I have
become
25 like someone who enters a fortified
city, and finds shelter on the
high wall until salvation. My God,
I lean on your truth . . .
Notice how the deep thunders at his sigh and
then refers to the fortified city that will be used as a tool for salvation.
The city and the truth about the city, is like a shelter upon its high walls
that we can see in the images.
I absolutely sure that the above refers directly and in metaphor to this
journey to the first city, Dalamatia City! Note the Gates of death which could
point to judgment and its relation to the city.
What else could it mean? and its also related to the Fathers truth and this is
what this journey is all about.
"I have become someone who enters a fortified city" This
statement alone confirms someone who comes by discovers the city and who
enters its gates, Like what I'm pushing hard for and that we go there and
confirm the truth. Like someone who discoveries and note an individual
discovering it. In light of the messages attached to the city, this city
becomes like a shelter of protection for the oncoming judgment or shift or
transition.
Dalamatia City is described here. The first city is fortified with 40 foot
high walls surrounding it in a diamond fashion. These walls offered shelter.
The city also had gates. The city was destroyed in a tidal wave 150,000 years
ago and is submerged as related to the gates of hell. God says that he lives
in this city as ships pass over him in a raging storm which highlights the
state of the planet, The City is located near a busy trade route which is in
the Persian Gulf.
The city is described quite well in these few verses and describes the
location of this city I believe its a strong match.
...just the truth!
sevens
Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:49 am
You know how people teach the prosperity doctrine
well I thinking that doctrine could be awfully invalid as all riches and the
system of Babylon could be destroyed because a rising sea levels and submergence
and emergence of land masses (earth changes)
I think a more valid doctrine is the doctrine of survival, but no one will
listen to that one as that is not comfortable!
You know how people teach the prosperity doctrine well I thinking that doctrine
could be awfully invalid as all riches and the system of Babylon could be
destroyed because a rising sea levels and submergence and emergence of land
masses (earth changes)
I think a more valid doctrine is the doctrine of survival, but no one will
listen to that one as that is not comfortable!
Actually any prosperity doctrine and the benefits of it should be directed for
communal survival in preparing for the worst and also the money should be
devoted to R&D in making energy independent devices and water collecting
techniques. Like for example the development of the Hutchinson technique or anti
gravity!
I don't think riches for the Christian church is in the plan as we may perceive
along current standards of material riches. As we all know there will be a
reckoning where riches will mean nothing because it will be a matter of
survival.
I don't mean to be negative but really for the extremity I'm thinking of, I
don't think governments could cater for the needs of people. I believe the
Christian faith as body of unity should prepare for real survival. But I'm sure
no one will listen to this and the will of faith to spread the word and perhaps
warn would be a to greater feat.
I simply want mankind to be successful if I'm right in this journey.
I know it will be men and women of faith that will be successful because they
will be prepared. I feel as a body of faith, the Christian faith is best
equipped to prepare for such an event. I'm sure Jesus came 2000 years ago before
this event to prepare man where he is truly our salvation in the physical. I can
understand the timing.
Anyway I would in your area of influence discuss these things and make plans to
prepare with the basics food, water power, generators, solar devices, even new
energy harnessing techniques.
I wish this would happen, it would be good if one person in each faith could
make a break through to the top in making plans for survival for a shifting
population with order and provisions. I really don't why I'm saying this but I
feel compelled to write this. We don't know the timing of these events but I'm
sure that all things are forming a conjunction in the one reality and I believe
there are definite signs of the times and particularly in the discovery of the
first cities.
I believe what I have presented to this forum is unrivaled and I think I have a
solid validation of the first places being the marked sign of change. However we
have to go out there and in a rapid way. I think an expedition to the first
place would be an excellent opportunity for religion to cast there truth into
the ring of world events.
That's what the world needs a new and expanded revelation that compliments all
the books of religion. Shining in truth and in final victory of validation and
verification of the Cities and the Seven commands. Also it would validate a new
book as all are witnesses to the journey through this forum. It has been a
delight to share my truth as I come across it and leaving it here.
I hope it really helps everyone and I hope in the conclusion of the journey we
will find truth as seen in the beforehand.
I feel happy with how everything fits in with the location of the cities I'm
sure all the cities are in the right locations we just have to go there and find
the truth as its out there for us to discover. "The Heritage of the Ages are
ours" To discover for ourselves and reconnect to completed truth at this stage
of human spiritual development.
I believe after this event of the ages, we will be in direct heading for the
ages of light and life that I feel it will occur in the next thousand years
where another transition will occur. Where a new temple will descend and new
earth a rehabilitation of the planet.
This point of expansion and transition in this pre Epochal change is the most
crucial and much attention is placed in this time period. I suppose its when we
are most vulnerable of self extermination.
I feel that a large part of revelation has been fulfilled but there is more to
go in the next thousand years which I think will be OK as we may have physical
guidance of Melchizedek and his super physical government that I feel maybe more
physical and accessible Like I speak to you. I feel in a thousand years we will
see the reception of the Magisterial Son and Perhaps Jesus for a second time or
maybe this time now is time of the Ancients of Days and there judgment of this
planet.
It could be that, speculating here that we may see first rapture, tribulation
and then judgment by the Ancients of Days which includes the return of the
gathered.
Then for a thousand years the remnant rehabilitate the planet but in truth and
with a far better society in parallel with universal truth world wide running on
non polluting energy harnessed from the atmosphere, running on DC energy.
Everyone will be energy independent and food and better growing sustainable
growing methods will be employed with the purpose of harnessing and replacing. I
think Anti gravity will be a reality and transport may use this technique.
I think its a good time to be energy creative in the supply of water collecting
collecting devices and in desalination through solar water distillation methods.
Where dirty water can be distilled by the sun and be made pure.
Anyway I think Dalamatia City symbolizes the beginning of future things to come
and we must be prepared.
just a thought
I personally feel, despite what people think of Ban, leader of the UN that he
should prepare plans for such a disaster result of a 6 meter water rise and
should look into the provisions needed for a independent roving community with
plenty of energy, food and water. That would be his job I reckon.
Who knows what I say could premature but it we could be in the moment.
Sevens.
posted
11-30-2007 10:27 PM
Riven the only kingdom you will reside in is a
kingdom that will be 6 meters under. Your tribe and all the tribes of the Planet
will be literally walking the hills for shelter.
If there is a near sudden sea level rise all infrastructure will be lost.
If I were you I would exercise your Atlantean manhood and put some constructive
plans for survival in case that happens for your country.
I wonder why no one has questioned him on it and what plans has he made?
Anyway we should be making plans for a roving society using Anti Gravity devices
as you can see on Google.
Fro my research and journey I see no riches for mankind only survival that we
can prepare for now.
I believe there will be a rapture but only those with faith and do the will of
the father will make it. (Act of faith)
It seems grim but that's what I'm saying. I think the message should be more
warning than anything no riches would happen with a sudden 6 meter rise.
It will be Riven who...what...who what!!! How is that relevant in the dilemma we
are in??? they ask. what here how! Riven ! what.
Sevens
posted
12-02-2007 10:13 PM
Hi Beauman,
I enjoyed your posts and I found them very informative especially about the Jinn
and the knowledge there is about them.
I enjoyed reading your research, I think this one of the best threads on this
forum. Its relevant and can follow the information with normal logic.
No worries at all.
I think its a good study and I think you made a number of valid points
reflecting our past with the Jinn.
All the best
Sevens
posted
12-02-2007 02:15 PM
Its interesting that Dalamatia City, the triangle city was
built by the Jinn 500,000 years go but the city was destroyed after the first
default at around 150,000 years ago.
The story of the origins of the Jinn is completely fascinating. From what I
understand and believe is that the Jinn were in unity but there was division
amongst them where many of them fell in rebellion. This division continued right
up to the time of Jesus with the advent of the Holy Spirit.
Whats even more interesting is that Satan was also interned upon the latest
revelatory presentation of the Urantia Book. The remnant of the rebellion in
these days is the last Rebel the x planetary prince. He still roams the minds of
men with all kinds of delights a human likes to hear but only if a human
desires.
However the Jinn of today are united and are loyal midwayers to the cause of
truth and righteousness. There work is reflected in all the books of religion
and in myth over all the thousands of years up to this point now.
I personally believe that the discovery of the triangle city in the images so
far is a real milestone in the work of the the Jinn. All the work of the loyal
Jinn have been for this moment.
Actually it was the petition of the Jinn 400 years ago to the Ancients of Days
that lead to the Urantia Presentation written in the finger of God and discovery
of the city proves that and will prove it more so.
The rebels Jinns acted in ways that the rebel uses these days, the technique of
soothsaying and mind infiltration through trances and so forth.
However, the loyal jinn do not use these techniques they are only interested in
the final result of a presentation that will be globally effective and non
imposing. They have left there mark in the books of religion and its only
through all the books of religion that they express themselves and though the
action of the Holy Spirit in parallel add those complete and embracing
compliments to the personal discovery within which includes the personal
fragment of the Father.
Unlike what some people think the Jinn do not act in spell and other techniques
of barbarism. They are advanced and permanent citizens of this planet and they
also would like to live on a loving planet clear of rebellion.
I believe that this operation to the first Triangle City is a direct operation
of the Jinn and Paradise. From what I read and see there is no trances or
soothsaying involved just straight research and contemplation of what what I
read and matched together.
Anyway I think we are going to hear more from the Jinn through the fulfillment
of prophecy, I'm absolutely sure that this pre transitional stage to the 1st
stage of Light and Life for the planet is a very major operation that stems
directly to Paradise or the Kingdom of Heaven and its full completion will take
another 1000 years when we receive our first translational temple built and
coming down from space with a new earth.
This time right now and the discovery of the first places is I believe part of
this pre transitional change and to me it sounds a little dire. I believe this
period now is part of the visitation of the Ancients of Days as spoken by
Daniel.
I dont see riches in the future as prophesied, if we are to go through this
transition now we have to be prepared for survival as I have mentioned before.
With a sudden 6 meter rise I can see major changes in the near future.
I can see how the Babylon system will be utterly destroyed that includes all our
lifestyle. If that is the case I would think the Jinn are urging us to cut the
fighting and death and destruction and get on to more important things such as a
survival plan using free energy devices.
But Babylon wont allow that in this current framework.
Anyway, Paradise does have an preservation plan which I believe can involve a
rapture. It wont be everyone and anyone as the admittance to this preservation
plan is through faith. Thats the only way and Jesus supplied the pathway in his
teachings and what to look for. I believe the Jinn fully endorse this.
The remnant who are left behind will be ones who never believed and couldn't
look into the matter or resisted the signs and the truth coming out about it or
who thought what a whole lot of crap and spurned it.
Paradise is so ahead of us and they do have an action plan. Whilst the
preservation plan is taking place the remnant left on this planet will also be
led and protected but again faith is the key.
You know thats where the Bible and all the other books of religion and the New
book are all designed to help us through the ultimate ordeal, to provide a path
through the abyss.
Jesus, sevenfold peace of the Essenes is all about this time and the journey to
the ancient places referring to 1stEden. All the books are abundant of
reflections of the great sign which are the former things according to Isaiah.
This piece
quote:
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, 'My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'
and then other piece from the Dead Sea Scrolls
I have become
25 like someone who enters a fortified city , and finds shelter
on the high wall until salvation. My God, I lean on your truth .
Is a complete reflection of the theme of the discoveries of
the cities. How true is the above about this journey. Its a complete summary of
this journey and does include Robert Sarmast journey to 1stEden or Atlantis in
his book.
The journey in respect to each place has its own unique story that can be all
connected with symbolism that we can see have been passed on down the ages.
Symbolism is one way the Jinn speak speak to us. This can be seen regrading the
first and second temples being the 3 co-planar circles being seen in both
places. In 1syEden on top of the Acropolis Hill and the Dalamatia City where the
same co-planar circles can be seen. The same symbol can also be see in Iran at
the highland capital of Van who was the builder of Eden and participated in the
Building of Dalamatia City.
Van and Amadon his brother were the custodians of the tree of life after the
rebellion and before Adam and Eve arrived, they kept the tree in the there
capital. Vestiges of this capital can be see in a triangle shaped highland area
with the 3 co-planar circles at the edge of this place.
Anyway see what happens in the operations of the Paradise encompassing the
United Jinn concerning this inhabited planet.
I thought the discussion raised in this thread was very interesting.
I appreciated the opportunity to write this, it would be good to further the
studies of the Jinn and see where it leads to.
All the best
Sevens
posted
12-04-2007 12:22 AM
Hi Beauman
I read you last post and quite enjoyed it. It tells me that are common
reflections amongst many civilizations throughout the world of all times who
similar myths and legends depicting union of man with the Gods
What I found interesting in your last post is the "Cult of Imhotep" and its
relationship with Dionysis. Is there a relation between Imhotep, Dionysis,
Pythagoras and the Orphic knowledge.
I would certainly like to look into link that link them up as there could a lot
of hidden knowledge that may parallel with the journey to the triangle city in
the Persian Gulf.
I tend to believe Atlantis was about the city of the Gods that fell and mated
with man and degraded themselves further whilst up stepping man with there
genes. I tend to believe that the reflection of Atlantis whilst there are some
differences is ultimately pointing the very first city of the Sons of God.
I tend to believe that the legends and myths of the Triangle city, Dalamatia was
transplanted in the new cities that where built by the fallen Sons of God.
Eventually these new cities became known also, over time as a mythical cities of
the Gods, the legend simply transplanted itself and moved on with mankind from
one civilization/place to another.
Also was impressed how you have been following Symbolism. I have been following
the same where believe the Triangle and circle symbol moved from the Persian
Gulf to Egypt. Here is a link of this common symbol that was found in the plug
of the shaft of the great pyramid built by Imhotep.
The Greeks derived the knowledge from there earlier Adamson descendants. They
have always been in enmity with giants who were the Nodites.
regards
Dennis
posted
12-04-2007 12:22 AM
Hi Beauman
I read you last post and quite enjoyed it. It tells me that are common
reflections amongst many civilizations throughout the world of all times who
similar myths and legends depicting union of man with the Gods
What I found interesting in your last post is the "Cult of Imhotep" and its
relationship with Dionysis. Is there a relation between Imhotep, Dionysis,
Pythagoras and the Orphic knowledge.
I would certainly like to look into link that link them up as there could a lot
of hidden knowledge that may parallel with the journey to the triangle city in
the Persian Gulf.
I tend to believe Atlantis was about the city of the Gods that fell and mated
with man and degraded themselves further whilst upstepping man with there genes.
I tend to believe that the reflection of Atlantis whilst there are some
differences is ultimately pointing the very first city of the Sons of God.
I tend to believe that the legends and myths of the Triangle city, Dalamatia was
transplanted in the new cities that where built by the fallen Sons of God.
Eventually these new cities became known also, over time as a mythical cities of
the Gods, the legend simply transplanted itself and moved on with mankind from
one civilization/place to another.
Also was impressed how you have been following Symbolism. I have been following
the same where believe the Triangle and circle symbol moved from the Persian
Gulf to Egypt. Here is a link of this common symbol that was found in the plug
of the shaft of the great pyramid built by Imhotep.
The King's words in honor of Imhotep: - praises to you, divine son of Ptah, begotten at Memphis, sublime child,
magnificent child of Cheret-anch, brought into the world at Tanen. Loving son
to his Father, Imhotep is the one called the 'great power in both Lands',
- The one that rebuilds what has been destroyed in the Temple and gives back
its original shape,
- The one that calculates all things, educated as was the Great god Thot (of
Wisdom) to have an attentive heart, capable in action,
- The one who knows all kinds and styles of writing; (they are written in his
heart),
- The one who knows all paths of thought, and was instructed in the
measurement of grain, who abates the effects of famine, is educated in
elocution, and is very scholarly in God's word,
- The one who quickens and protects pregnant women,
- The one who restores fertility to the sterile, those who pray to have a son,
- The one who keeps the children healthy child; The one who invigorates those
who serve God; who relieves sickness, who brings the necessary flooding, - Great and beautiful apparition still remaining on Earth, we can see you
every day (!) Your mysterious form is evident in the cities and the
countryside; your seat is raised up in the House of the gods, and those who
are in the two sanctuaries are delighted to see you, for you give blessings to
everyone who prays to you.
- Let your Ba (soul) live in the sky of Re, and may your body to be perfected
in the underground world of Osiris.
- May you go in peace to the cave of the two big feathers, which built your
body.
- Every day may you receive offerings of bread, of meat, of milk, and may all
your needs be provided for. - YES, you are Re for eternity. (In majesty, Imhotep is identified and
integrated with Re).
regards
sevens
posted
12-04-2007 04:11 AM
Hey Brig and Smiley I thought you would be interested in this
article.
Looks sea level rise is on the way and man better get prepared or get over it
but I dont think thats an option. Dont think this story will go away!
Climate change may wipe some Indonesian islands off map
By Sugita Katyal and Adhityani Arga | Posted Mon Dec 3, 2007 12:11am PST
JAKARTA (Reuters) - Many of Indonesia's islands may be swallowed up by the sea
if world leaders fail to find a way to halt rising sea levels at this week's
climate change conference on the resort island of Bali.
Doomsters take this dire warning by Indonesian scientists a step further and
predict that by 2035, the Indonesian capital's airport will be flooded by sea
water and rendered useless; and by 2080, the tide will be lapping at the steps
of Jakarta's imposing Dutch-era Presidential palace which sits 10 km inland
(about 6 miles).
The Bali conference is aimed at finding a successor to the Kyoto Protocol,
which expires in 2012, on cutting climate warming carbon emissions. With over
17,000 islands, many at risk of being washed away, Indonesians are anxious to
see an agreement reached and quickly implemented that will keep rising seas at
bay.
Just last week, tides burst through sea walls, cutting a key road to Jakarta's
international airport until officials were able to reinforce coastal
barricades.
"Island states are very vulnerable to sea level rise and very vulnerable to
storms. Indonesia ... is particularly vulnerable," Nicholas Stern, author of
an acclaimed report on climate change, said on a visit to Jakarta earlier this
year.
Even large islands are at risk as global warming might shrink their land mass,
forcing coastal communities out of their homes and depriving millions of a
livelihood.
The island worst hit would be Java, which accounts for more than half of
Indonesia's 226 million people. Here rising sea levels would swamp three of
the island's biggest cities near the coast -- Jakarta, Surabaya and Semarang
-- destroying industrial plants and infrastructure.
"Tens of millions of people would have to move out of their homes. There is no
way this will happen without conflict," Environment Minister Rachmat Witoelar
said recently.
"The cost would be very high. Imagine, it's not just about building better
infrastructure, but we'd have to relocate people and change the way people
live," added Witoelar, who has said that Indonesia could lose 2,000 of its
islands by 2030 if sea levels continue to rise.
CRUNCH TIME AT BALI
Environmentalists say this week's climate change meeting in Bali will be
crunch time for threatened coastlines and islands as delegates from nearly 190
countries meet to hammer out a new treaty on global warming.
Several small island nations including Singapore, Fiji, Kiribati, Tuvalu and
Caribbean countries have raised the alarm over rising sea levels which could
wipe them off the map.
The Maldives, a cluster of 1,200 islands renowned for its luxury resorts, has
asked the international community to address climate change so it does not
sink into a watery grave.
According to a U.N. climate report, temperatures are likely to rise by between
1.1 and 6.4 degrees Celsius (2.0 and 11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) and sea levels
by between 18 cm and 59 cm (seven and 23 inches) this century.
Under current greenhouse gas emission levels, Indonesia could lose about
400,000 sq km of land mass by 2080, including about 10 percent of Papua, and 5
percent of both Java and Sumatra on the northern coastlines, Armi Susandi, a
meteorologist at the Bandung Institute of Technology, told Reuters.
Indonesia, the world's fourth-most populous country, has faced intense
pressure over agricultural land for decades.
Susandi, who has researched the impact of climate change on Indonesia,
estimated sea levels would rise by an average of 0.5 cm a year until 2080,
while the submersion rate in Jakarta, which lies just above sea level, would
be higher at 0.87 cm a year.
A study by the UK-based International Institute for Economy and Development
(IIED) said at least 8 out of 92 of the outermost small islands that make up
the country's borders are vulnerable.
TOO MANY ISLANDS TO COUNT
Less than half of Indonesia's islands are inhabited and many are not even
named. Now, the authorities are hastily counting the coral-fringed islands
that span a distance of 5,000 km, the equivalent of going from Ireland to
Iran, before it is too late.
Disappearing islands and coastlines would not only change the Indonesian map,
but could also restrict access to mineral resources situated in the most
vulnerable spots, Susandi said.
He estimates that land loss alone would cost Indonesia 5 percent of its GDP
without taking into account the loss of property and livelihood as millions
migrate from low-lying coastlines to cities and towns on higher ground.
There are 42 million people in Indonesia living in areas less than 10 meters
above the average sea level, who could be acutely affected by rising sea
levels, the IIED study showed.
A separate study by the United Nations Environment Programme in 1992 showed in
two districts in Java alone, rising waters could deprive more than 81,000
farmers of their rice fields or prawn and fish ponds, while 43,000 farm
laborers would lose their job.
One solution is to cover Indonesia's fragile beaches with mangroves, the first
line of defense against sea level rise, which can break big waves and hold
back soil and silt that damage coral reefs.
A more expensive alternative is to erect multiple concrete walls on the
coastlines, as the United States has done to break the tropical storms that
hit its coast, Susandi said.
Some areas, including the northern shores of Jakarta, are already fitted with
concrete sea barriers, but they are often damaged or too low to block rising
waters and big waves such as the ones that hit Jakarta in November.
"It will be like permanent flooding," Susandi said. "By 2050, about 24
percent of Jakarta will disappear," possibly even forcing the capital to
move to Bandung, a hill city 180 km east of Jakarta.
(Editing by Megan Goldin)
But who knows it could a runaway situation where it may
accelerate.
UB True religion consists in the experience
that "the Spirit
itself hears witness with our spirit that we are the children of
God. (Also see chapter True Religion Urantia Book
and Jesus’ Discourse on True Religion Urantia Book)
True religion, the true way, is a way that has never yet been taught "to the
nations". Elsewhere in scripture we are told that before the end of the age
the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven will be proclaimed to all the world. Who
in the present world knows about the Kingdom of Heaven? Certainly not the
popular scholars. Read their work! Certainly not those who espouse the
gospel about Jesus Christ. Then, just who might this be? It would appear
that the servant in Isaiah 42 is an individual that will teach about the
Kingdom of Heaven within. Note that God ‘puts his spirit’ on the servant,
therefore God ‘anoints’ the servant! Anointment is what happens to make
someone a messiah. This is why the Dead Sea Scrolls speak of more than one
messiah. The Messiah is Melchizedek a divine being, another messiah is God’s
servant, the Final Prophet whom God has ‘put His spirit upon’ (anointed).
Also note that God calls His servant My chosen one. This provides a link to
a Dead Sea Scroll fragment, which describes a chosen one who reveals God’s
truths and wisdom at the end of the age. The fragment gives us physical
characteristics, education, life history and purpose. I believe this Scroll
fragment describes the end of the age, final prophet to come:
4Q534 …of his hand: two…a birthmark. And the hair will be red.
Chosen One And there will be lentils on…and small birthmarks on his thigh.
And after two years he will know how to distinguish one thing
from another. In his youth he will be like…a man who knows
nothing until the time when he knows the three Books.
And then he will acquire wisdom and learn understanding…
vision to come to him on his knees. And with his father and
his ancestors…life and old age. Council and prudence will be
with him, and he will know the secrets of man. His wisdom
will reach all the peoples, and he will know the secrets of all
the living. And all their designs against him will come to
nothing, and his rule over the living will be great. His designs
will succeed, for he is the Elect of God. His birth and the
breath of his spirit…and his designs will be forever…
One can speculate that this information regarding the final prophet was part
of the revelation to the Teacher of Righteousness of the Qumran community.
More on this topic will come later. We also note the coastlands again; they
are the ones who "await the teaching" of God’s servant. Next, the Lord
further addresses the coastlands:
Isaiah 42:9 See, the things once predicted have come,
And now I foretell new things,
Announce them to you ere they sprout up . . .
Isaiah 42:10 You coastlands and their inhabitants! . . .
Isaiah 42:11 Call out from the peaks of the mountains.
Let them do honor to the Lord,
And tell His glory in the coastlands . . .
Isaiah 42:16 I will lead the blind
By a road they did not know,
And I will make them walk
By paths they never knew.
I will turn darkness before them to light,
Rough places into level ground.
These are the promises—
I will keep them without fail.
"His designs will succeed" this fragment really got me going as I have been
working on the design symbols of Dalamatia which is the one I will be
promoting not the mention the whole construct and the journey which is about
design.
Actually all the fragments have alot to say.
Isaiah 52:13 "Indeed, My servant shall
prosper,
Be exalted and raised to great heights…
Just so he shall startle many nations.
Kings shall be silenced because of him
For they shall see what has not been told them,
Shall behold what they never have heard."
Just remember the recovery of the Seven commands and the verification of
Dalamatia City! and not to mention the other cities which does include the
1stEden, 1st and 2nd expeditions of Cyprus. These are all paths not ever seen
before and no one has been told about this through there pastor or leader.
If we verify the city including the recovery of the Seven commands that would
get everyone thinking and reassessing.
What a plan of Salvation that is. How beautiful is that to provide man with a
clear sign that is full of beauty and enlightenment but then it can dire to
some as that represents truth. Consider there ids definitely a new book
involved that harmonised with all books of religion and that will be confirmed
and witnessed by all by mystery and discovery which the Bible is very much
part of. Its is in the Bible, praise the good Father for that so if one fonds
the new book uncomfortable thats OK because it can found, the mystery in your
own book with also is a self contained path.
Making it easy as pie for man.
But it is also prophesied that no one will believe this and it will be spurned
by all.
Thats is true I see evidence of that here, from many UB people and even in the
workplace where people have overheard my conversation.
I tell you no one will believe and that makes me feel miserable to be honest,
to be fully rejected and offered no spiritual support from any quarter.
However I did get a little support from my physical Father which was
completely fitting and I know the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven" will bless
that greatly. Because it right and it follows that path of Paradise, two
Fathers helping out there faith son in the Endeavour to get closer to the
mystery and cities for final completion and VICTORY in FAITH.
It tells me that the only supporters of this project is The Father in the
Kingdom of Heaven and the faith son and that is it.
Everybody else has run to the hills, all mankind has rejected the final
mystery and has spurned the journeys to the ancient places. Its so bad that
mankind does not and will not even respond to the call no matter what his
belief is. Man in this project has responded like a real asshole and has done
nothing to support or even speak! This is how useless he is in the grand
scheme of Paradise and its paths to salvation in this time related to the
mystery.
Personally, how much longer when all this dissemination comes to its
conclusion. Its must be close and things are really being defined quite
clearly and is finding validation.
Sevens
Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:20 pm
This is an extract of the Jesus papers of the
Essenes, a recorded sermon on a mount that I discovered a couple of years ago
and was looking at it from the 1Eden prospective but is now applicable with
Dalamatia City being the first city.
Quote:
"Peace I bring to thee, my children, The Sevenfold Peace
Of the Earthly Mother
And the Heavenly Father.
Peace I bring to thy body,
Guided by the Angel of Power; Peace I bring to thy heart,
Guided by the Angel of Love; Peace I bring to thy mind,
Guided by the Angel of Wisdom. Through the Angels of
Power, Love and Wisdom, Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths Job 38 "the paths" The
1st Eden connection.
Of the Infinite Garden, (1st Eden of Cyprus)
Yea, I tell thee truly, The paths are seven
Through the Infinite Garden,
And each must be traversed
By the body, the heart and the mind As one,
Lest thou stumble
Into the abyss of emptiness.
For as a bird cannot fly with one wing,
So doth thy Bird of Wisdom Need two wings of Power and Love To soar above the abyss
But its different and would be hard to follow. I suppose if you dont read and
follow the research it becomes that way.
However I would suggest to you to look at things wider and deeper.
The dead sea scrolls specifically speaks about the end times and specifically
speaks about 3 books, one of them includes the Bible. So its not just the
bible at the end times and it will be paths unheard of and not walk upon by
any religious leader.
Also the witness I see here in threads regarding doctrine is just argument,
accusation and division something I want no part of, might suit you but not me
as its destructive and shows very little understanding of one another even
though everyone appears to be using/back to the scriptures. But all I see is
division and if thats what back to the scriptures means forget it.
I see no breakthroughs for religion just the same old cycle a fighting and
murmuring against each other.
Also if you post a script can you explain it properly rather than replying in
mysterious ways I cant understand. Also I want to make it clear to you. I have
no desire to be anyones priest, everyone knows the truth in one way or
another, they walk on there own, like I had to. Let people be there own priest
walking with the Holy Spirit. and be there own person without sacrifice of the
individual personality with all the pretense.
Gee I see the priests of the day and just about
all of them have failed in there duty by pitting man against each other with
incomplete doctrine and erroneous attitude. I saw one guy on TV espousing his
prosperity doctrine, it was of the most ugliest sermons Ive ever seen in my
life and full of ridiculous justification of back to scripts and not to
mention the side show comedy that was just terrible. Already I could see how
the church is going to be corrected and it will be severely.
line 139: It was during the floodtimes that Susa so greatly prospered.
The first and lower city was inundated so that the second or higher
town succeeded the lower as the headquarters for the peculiar
artcrafts of that day. With the later diminution of these floods, Ur
became the center of the pottery industry. About seven thousand
years ago Ur was on the Persian Gulf, the river deposits having since built up
the land to its present limits. These settlements suffered less from the
floods because of better controlling works and the widening mouths of the
rivers.
The design seen on the fragment can also be seen in the Design features of what
I think is submerged Dilmun in the North.
Also the distant reflections of the design of Dalamatia City, the triangle city
was adopted by the Nodites and this can be seen in these vases found in 2nd
Susa.
Note the triangle and the 5 divisions within the triangle chevron
In my mind this design is a match to this UB description of the Patterned homes
of Dalamatia
Here is the fragment
Quote:
line 166: The Prince's staff lived together as
fathers and mothers. True, they had no children of their own, but the
fifty pattern homes of Dalamatia never sheltered less than five
hundred adopted little ones assembled from the superior families of the
Andonic and Sangik races; many of these children were orphans. They were
favored with the discipline and training of these superparents; and then,
after three years in the schools of the Prince (they entered from thirteen to
fifteen), they were eligible for marriage and ready to receive their
commissions as emissaries of the Prince to the needy tribes of their
respective races.
and here is a image of the patterned homes in the Triangle City, there 10 major
division with 5 subdivision in each division in Dalamatia. The 10 major
divisions of Dalamatia make up the triangle as displayed in this funeral Vase of
Susa, a clear match and relationship.
and another view of the pattern homes within the Great V or the triangle
and the triangle City
All reflected in the designs of Susa which ultimately came from submerged Dilmun
nearby including the Triangle chevron with the circle in the middle.
However Dilmun in the North was submerged many thousands of years before 1st
Susa and after 1Susa was flooded the inhabitants brought there culture, history
and designs with them and built the Second Susa as we know of today.
Here is a fragment about the Susa pottery and designs
Quote:
It is chiefly by the many thousand broken pieces of pottery found in
the lowest deposits of the Susa mound that the story has been built up, bit by
bit, of these unknown immigrants from an unknown land; something like
the reconstruction of the unseen, lame, half-blind camel in "The Arabian
Nights." This pottery is wonderfully hard and thin, not much thicker than a
couple of postcards, and it rings like porcelain, though it is not so
transparent. The forms are simple and graceful; they were produced on a
rudimentary potter's wheel, used with a skill that was probably due to the
inherited experience of many generations of craftsmen. Nearly all the bowls
and vases were elaborately decorated either inside or outside with strange
designs, most of which have no similarity with any designs found in other
parts of the world, so that we have no due to the country where these potters
learned their art, though we can be fairly sure that they brought it from some
centre of civilization where it had been undergoing a long period of
development. For it is now admitted that ornamental designs in all countries
and in all ages are not the chance product of the craftsman's brain-they have
a regular evolution from the simple to the complex, most of the simple designs
being evidently based on natural forms of men or animals.
There are other indications that the earliest colonists of Susa were
well civilized before they left that unknown parent country, for in their
(Page 699) burial ground outside the city walls are found the bronze hatchets
of the men, and the mirrors, the needles, and ointment vases of the
women; there are also relics of delicate fabrics finely woven on a loom. The
human remains in the graves have unfortunately been so crushed by the immense
weight of the overlying deposits that have accumulated above them for forty
centuries that it is impossible for ethnologists to decide whether they were
members of the white, the black, or the yellow races. People became very
interested over the finding of Tutankhamen's tomb, although its contents added
relatively little to our knowledge of the origins or the development of
civilization; how much more interesting would be the finding of the
unknown home country of the colonists of Susa, the earliest artistic potters
that have as yet given us an insight into the origins of their craft.
There are no traces of inscriptions on any of their relics, so we cannot even
guess what language they may have spoken. The community vanished as
mysteriously as it arrived; a thick layer of charcoal and ashes being the only
evidence of the catastrophe that overwhelmed them.
Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:21 am Writngs of
Jiroft that I believe reflect the writing of the
Nodites in this area and which reflects back to the Dilmuns and on to
Dalamatia City.
Here is another per Sumerian language found in
Iran..It comes from Jiroft in Southern Iran near the Headwaters 9000 years ago
and to me is pointer to the Dilmun of the East civilization that formed after
the destruction of Dalamatia City.
Oldest inscriptions ever from Jiroft, Southern Iran near Dilmun to the East
submerged Dalamatia City in the land of Atana as known then.
Note the triangle and circle symbol...I wonder
what the inscriptions means.
Here is a web online video about Jiroft South Eastern Iran the oldest
civilisation and predates Sumeria and is in the area of the Dilmun to the east
and North.
The evidence seems to support my all along assertions about these ancient
places even before this discovery as found today.
Also note the triangle with one circle in the middle is a
Nodite signature which comes from Dalamatia City. I believe the Symbol of Van
the loyal ones are the 3 coplanar circles.
My Symbol is the triangle with a big
7's in the middle.
Also note that the above inscriptions are triangles, circles and Squares. This
is the same physical construct of the universal capitals where its base design
is influenced by Circles, squares and diamonds which also relates to Dalamatia
City which based on the same design. Each Pattern is an abode of certain type
of people in the administration of the system capitals.
All reflected in the pre Sumerian Scripts in symbolism, the same symbolism we
see today.
We are talking about "The Kingdom of Heaven" not just the Gospel of Jesus but
also the Gospel of "the Kingdom of Heaven".
This is in prophecy! and its being spread across the world through the
Internet...St Epriam 300AD, a Syriac Christian priest speaks about it.
They are the MOUNTAINS of GOD.
sevens
Note the Vees in all the designs, a distant
reflection of the first triangle city.
Note the Vees of Dalamatia City, all distant
reflections of the first place and of 2nd Dilmun, the triangles and the vees.
Note the circles
Jiroft not far from
1stDilmun, 1stDilmunwas built 200,000 years ago! and existed for 50,000
years when
2ndDilmun was built.
Remember the Vees.
note the 3 concentric circles
triangles and circles seem to be the main symbol
of Jiroft.
Studies by five linguists from
the United States, France, Russia, Denmark, and Iran on a discovered inscription
in Jiroft indicate that this Elamit script is 300 years older than that of
the great civilization of Susa. Archeologists believe that Jiroft was the origin
of Elamit written language in which the writing system developed first and
was then spread across the country and reached Susa. The discovered inscription
of Jiroft is the most ancient written script found so far.
The city of Jiroft is situated close to Halil Rud historical site. Halil Rud,
located on the basin of Halil Rood River enjoyed a rich civilization. Many stone
and clay objects as well as other historical evidence belonging to the third
millennium BC have been discovered during the archeological excavations and also
the illegal diggings by the smugglers in this area. 120 historical sites,
including that of Jiroft, have been identified in the basin of the 400 kilometer
length of Halil Rud River.
According to archeological studies, the history of Halil Rud area goes back to
some 3000 years ago. The discovered stone dishes in the area belonging to the
first half of the third millennium BC point to the developed art of carving on
stones at that time.
"Five Elamit professional linguists from different countries have studied the
brick inscription discovered in Jiroft. According to the studies, they have
concluded that this discovered inscription is 300 years older than that found in
Susa;and most probably the written language went
to Susa from this region. However, more studies are still needed to
give a final approval to this thesis," said Yousof Majid Zadeh, head of
archeological excavation team in Jiroft.
"This inscription was discovered in a palace. Although it is not yet known
which Elamit king this inscription belongs to, it is definitely an Elamit
inscription. More studies are needed to determine the exact time in which it
was inscribed, but most probably it is the most ancient written language.
Further excavations are being carried out to find the rest of the inscription.
However, what is obvious about this discovered
inscription is that it is older than the Elamit inscription of Susa,"
explained Majidzadeh.
Caral is another civilisation that stems back to
5000BC. People think its the first civilisation however its only the product of
the 132 Andites that ended in Peru
here is a ub search on the Andites in the Pacific and the originators of the
Caral
Quote:
# line 75: The peoples of India lay stagnant,
with a civilization that was unprogressing; the yellow man was consolidating
his holdings in central Asia; the brown man had not yet begun his civilization
on the near-by islands of the Pacific.
# line 104: O ne hundred and thirty-two of this race, embarking in a
fleet of small boats from Japan, eventually reached South America and by
intermarriage with the natives of the Andes established the ancestry of the
later rulers of the Incas. They crossed the Pacific by easy stages,
tarrying on the many islands they found along the way. The islands of the
Polynesian group were both more numerous and larger then than now, and these
Andite sailors, together with some who followed them, biologically modified
the native groups in transit. Many flourishing centers of civilization grew up
on these now submerged lands as a result of Andite penetration. Easter
Island was long a religious and administrative center of one of these
lost groups. But of the Andites who navigated the Pacific of long ago none but
the one hundred and thirty-two ever reached the mainland of the Americas.
The Andites originated in the Persian Gulf! Where
Civilisation began from.
Ans another search of the UB to compliment the Video in the above link
Quote:
line 105: The migratory conquests of the
Andites continued on down to their final dispersions, from 8000 to
6000 B.C. As they poured out of Mesopotamia, they continuously
depleted the biologic reserves of their homelands while markedly strengthening
the surrounding peoples. And to every nation to which they journeyed,
they contributed humor, art, adventure, music, and manufacture. They were
skillful domesticators of animals and expert agriculturists. For the
time being, at least, their presence usually improved the religious beliefs
and moral practices of the older races. And so the culture of
Mesopotamia quietly spread out over Europe, India, China, northern Africa, and
the Pacific Islands.
And no doubt builders of large cities.
and another fragment
quote:
line 110: These civilizations were
evolutionary products of the Sangiks, notwithstanding that traces of
Andite blood reached Peru . Excepting the Eskimos in North America and a
few Polynesian Andites in South America, the peoples of the Western
Hemisphere had no contact with the rest of the world until the end of the
first millennium after Christ. In the original Melchizedek plan for the
improvement of the Urantia races it had been stipulated that one million of
the pure-line descendants of Adam should go to upstep the red men of the
Americas
Sevens
posted
12-09-2007 04:43 AM
Here is an image of Giant or perhaps a Nodite as
they giants in them days.
Gee they were tall, I suppose Goliath being the last of rephaim was that height.
sevens
posted
12-09-2007 04:30 PM
Hi Brig
I was wondering if the blue comet was coming our way?
or just passing through a distant part of the solar system. Im not sure if its
the great blue comet in prophecy however I suppose it is intriguing the natural
process of this comet.
I suppose the only thing we can do is see what happens at the end of the day.
It could be significant or simply a comet passing through with unusual
qualities. However , the timing is interesting in light of the journey.
all the best
sevens
posted
12-09-2007 04:48 PM
quote:
Gerogous has given more scientific proof of where this city
of atlantis might have been in his own words and study.
No he hasnt, he is still in the theory stage and has not
produced any hard evidence of anything. Its still theory stage.
Until he can produce hard evidence even in an unadulterated image, its still in
total theory stage.
Artwork does not cut it man wants and demands more than art work.
even this part of the quote "atlantis might have been" makes it still in
theory stage.
the same can be said for Riven, his research is only in theory stage in the
infant stage.
Until anyone can produce hard evidence its all in theory land.
sevens
posted
12-09-2007 04:48 PM
quote:
Gerogous has given more scientific proof of where this city
of atlantis might have been in his own words and study.
No he hasnt, he is still in the theory stage and has not
produced any hard evidence of anything. Its still theory stage.
Until he can produce hard evidence even in an unadulterated image, its still in
total theory stage.
Artwork does not cut it man wants and demands more than art work.
even this part of the quote "atlantis might have been" makes it still in
theory stage.
the same can be said for Riven, his research is only in theory stage in the
infant stage.
Until anyone can produce hard evidence its all in theory land.
There is only one truth and one Atlantis, city of the Gods and that will prove
itself in the timeline.
We have all been here for many years now discussing, uncovering and debating and
still we seem to be rehashing old things and thoughts.
I believe the journey to Persian Gulf is the major breakthrough which does have
support of the Atlantis Gods so to speak because its simply the truth.
Each day I am getting closer even to the point where the religious governments
in the area are looking into the matter in there own archaeological
investigation and who are uncovering major Nodite civilizations that predate
Sumeria as we understand it today.
All in line with the truth of the matter.
Well for me I just praise and give thanks to the Lord in the Kingdom of Heaven
for this great and vast journey of truth.
Thank you Father! yea! I'm just so inspired by his love for mankind to help us
along the way of truth that can be measured physically.
This journey will prove the existence of God which can be
measured. That's what man needs! Action and discovery and no more talk and
debate, we know where to go and what to find!
Lets just do it. Lets just sink a few million into this and just go there and
prove the matter. Like real men of courage walking together with the Gods and
with the Son of Man and the Father of the universe.
Ok whose got a few million to sink into this??
Where is mans faith and courage and boldness in faith? to the City of the Gods.
Come on mankind get your asses now is time to venture out, not
later, NOW. There heritage of the ages are waiting for us to claim for mankind!
I tell you this is the best opportunity for man to do something really inspiring
and worthwhile. This will fix the planet and destroy error that leads to death
and destruction.
Hey instead of being divided on this forum why don't we drop
the things that doesn't connect and just simply all rally together for and
expedition to the Persian Gulf. If we did that all together as one, we all be
winners and grinners in truth.
We will all win and be victorious in light of truth. There will will be no
losers at all.
sevens
posted
12-09-2007 05:31 PM
No worries Doc,
I say lets go the triangle City in the Persian Gulf and prove its existence for
a start.
There should be heaps of evidence to uncover as we have an abundance of
information and also we can see anomalies in the images that fit the
description.
If its a huge success which I have no doubt, then we can explore other places
and perhaps help out Georgeous in his theory and see if there is something
there.
Something Like that where we go to all the places and prove whether its right or
wrong and at the same time help each other out but in a sense of brotherhood
enough of this division stuff!
Other than that we will still be here in 10 years time talking about the same
things.
Sevens
posted
12-09-2007 11:14 PM
Sorry for the offense Its just that I asked numerous times for
real images not artwork and I got sick of it. Still I cant see delivery and I
find most of the articles just rehashes from years ago.
I went to the more photos link and this is what I found. Nothing
except
quote:
Estás intentando entrar en área restringida.
Lo sentimos pero esta sección de nuestro sitio es sólo para Usuarios
Registrados
Puedes registrarte de forma gratuíta aquí, luego podrás
acceder a esta sección sin restricciones. Gracias.
I suppose now you can see why I got a little
pissed off.
I really dont now what is the big deal with the vases when you consider there is
concentric circular outline in Bashan that goes back 5000BC which predates the
area your speaking off and is very close to where Melchizedek came from.
Concentric circles where in other places before Spain thats for sure and are
thousands of years older.
Spain is not the origins of mankind and that is known world wide.
I don't know what Doc is speak about "evidence" what evidence a couple vases,
that's all, of which could of mean something totally different to what you
think.
How about some images of major remnants of a lost city and proper images to
boot, like what all the archaeologist on the planet posts up.
Like the guy in Jiroft posted up hard facts, real images and an worthy
explanation of his thought in light of the evidence before him. Even a short
movie...good on him! Note The jiroft artifacts are full of circles and triangles
which is reflective of Dalamatia in symbolism and spreads its way through the
Nodite/Sangik civilisation of Elam even into 2nd Susa.
Way before Spain in this case of Jiroft 7000BC a
long time before Plato.
Sevens
posted
12-10-2007 12:02 AM
I took it down but I do object to the destruction of the
heritages in iran
sevens
sevens
posted
12-10-2007 04:51 AM Jane Lead interpretation
I dont know, all I know is that Im upset upon learning that
all the heritages of man in that country is under threat of destruction due to
bad intentions and motives. Its a breach of duty of care of our heritages.
Actually there is a scripture that refers to this exact situation. III have to
try and find it.
thats all I can think of at the moment. But this is the first time the first
places have ever been exposed to mankind and it will prove so in the future more
so than the images and descriptions. I think Plato's story is about many
submerged places in one way or another and essentially the realities of this
place is reflected by Plato. Also we are talking about 150,000 years not 1400BC
or whatever. Any assumption to city of the gods being in the 1400BC range and is
stupid its just way of the mark and not worth considering.
Also, if man learnt to live with each in peace and fostered progress rather than
destruction there would be no hunger and homeless on this planet. But thats not
possible as man is too self indulgent.
Any I was looking for that scripture and I found this curious piece from the
pearl 3 of St Ephraim.
quote:
With the weapon of the deceiver the First-born
clad Himself, that with the weapon that killed, He might restore to life
again! With the tree wherewith he slew us, He delivered us. With the wine
which maddened us, with it we were made chaste!
With the rib that was drawn out of Adam, the wicked one drew out the heart of
Adam. There rose from the Rib31 a hidden power , which cut off Satan as
Dagon: for in that Ark a book was hidden that cried and proclaimed
concerning the Conqueror! There was then a mystery revealed, in that Dagon was
brought low in his own place of refuge!32
The accomplishment came after the type, in that the wicked one was brought
low in the place in which he trusted!
Blessed be He Who came and in Him were accomplished the mysteries of the
left hand, and the right hand.
33 Fulfilled was the mystery that was in the Lamb, and fulfilled was the type
that was in Dagon. Blessed is He Who by the True Lamb redeemed us, and
destroyed our destroyer as He did Dagon!
This place got me going
for in that Ark a book was hidden that cried and proclaimed concerning the
Conqueror! There was then a mystery revealed, in that Dagon was brought low in
his own place of refuge!32
The ark is a book concerning the Father and all of his creation, the UB as far
as I am concerned, the hidden book. The a mystery was revealed through book
where Dagon, Belial or whatever name you choose for the last rebel is brought
low, falling from his seat of power.
The accomplishment came after the type, in that the wicked one was brought
low in the place in which he trusted!
The accomplishment was made in this way through a book, mystery where the powers
of the planet shifted, the wicked one was brought low in the place where he was
trusted and that is the first place Dalamatia City.
I other words the discovery of the city and the Seventh mystery relates to the
discovery of the first place where this whole planetary saga began.
Blessed be He Who came and in Him were accomplished the mysteries of the left
hand, and the right hand.
33 Fulfilled was the mystery that was in the Lamb, and fulfilled was the type
that was in Dagon. Blessed is He Who by the True Lamb redeemed us, and destroyed
our destroyer as He did Dagon!
To me the mystery is conveyed through right hand and the left hand which to me
speaks of computer keyboard. Where both hands are used in the way of writing.
The mystery was fulfilled and became successful and it is related to Jesus, the
Son of Man directly. This mystery leads to the destruction of Belial or
Caligastia the X planetary prince and is headed by the Son of Man or the Lamb or
Jesus himself.
The above scripture is another description of this journey. Its seems that this
will be successfull.
Here is another piece from Jane Lead 1600
quote:
Wherefore also he is eminently call’d] the
Everlasting Father. [For in this last Ministration, the Eternal Father
opens his Principle, and joins in the Peculiar Power, thereof, to relieve and
reverse the long Dying and Suffering State of Christ in his Church to a State
of Glory and Triumph. And thus he becomes the True Prince of Peace.
[Putting an End to the Bloody Wars and Persecutions that have been raised
hitherto against his Church, whether by the Prince and Powers of Darkness,
or of this World: Quenching the Spirit of Strife and Division in it :
Pouring out the Spirit of Meekness and Brotherly
Love among all Nations, and turning their Swords into
Plough-Shares, and their spears into Pruning-Hooks:
Reconciling the Discord of the Elements and all the
Contrarieties of Nature, so that nothing shall hurt or destroy in his Holy
Mountain.
Introducing the Blessed and Peaceable Reign of the True Solomon,
(whereof the former was but a Type and Shadow)
wherein shall be the abundant Increase and Plenty of all good things; Riches
both Spiritual and Temporal ; with the highest Honour, Magnificence and
Glory: and also Prolongation of Life, as in the Patriarchal Age for Enjoyment
of it. Which is the Dowry of the Virgin-Wisdom; as it is said, Length of
Days is in her Right Hand, and in her Left, Riches and Honours.
This could be the verse but Im not sure if its
related to the current scenario of the destruction of the all the Heritages of
the ages.
quote:
Isaiah 65:8 Thus saith the Lord, As the new
wine is found in the cluster,
and one saith,Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it:
so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an
inheritor of my mountains: and
mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants
shall dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for
the herds to lie down in, for my people that have
sought me.
sevens
posted
12-10-2007 05:39 AM
Halls of amenti
quote:
Then from his throne came one of the Masters,
taking my hand and leading me onward, through all the Halls of the deep hidden land.
Led he me through the Halls of Amenti,
showing the mysteries that are known not to man.
Through the dark passage, downward he led me,
into the Hall where site the dark Death.
Vast as space lay the great Hall before me,
walled by darkness but yet filled with Light.
Toth
quote:
Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
I, Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him,
Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always.
sevens
posted
12-10-2007 01:42 PM
Hi Doc, thats a pity that there is skepticism
about Toth.
Pity because I thought Toth in essence sounded pretty good to be honest. If you
are compeletely correct why couldn't the author just write it straight without
all the pretense.
To be honest I was quite impressed with the work.
However If I look at the Toth piece
Lie in the sarcophagus of stone in my chamber.
Then reveal I to him the great mysteries.
I, Soon shall he follow to where I shall meet him,
even in the darkness of Earth shall I meet him,
Thoth, Lord of Wisdom, meet him and hold him
and dwell with him always
You can see that the mystery involves information that leads man to a defined
place where the Father will meet him.
I feel that defines the principles of this journey.
In this case we are following the books that leads to a defined place which has
religion all over it and is related to our heritage. A place where the Father
will lead man and the Father will meet him there. It seems to be a place of
darkness, like in a submerged city which I believe is a good contender as in
this journey.
To me it speaks of this current journey, we are speaking about the first places
where there is unfinished business.
Toth be it a substitute for the Father in this case seems to form a beautiful
relationship with the person he meets at the place.
But to be honest I not sure whether whether I could meet the Father at the first
place as it will take money to get out there. I certainly dont have any funds to
go out there. So in light of this it would have to take a serious miracle for
that component to happen. Also Im not sure if anyone has the balls to invest in
such a faith mission. Even in light of me spilling all the information including
the images. Man just doesn't respond, its amazing! Surely there must be one
supporter.
Not one! I find that incredible no matter what is posted.
Just amazing with all money in the world and millions of corporations and
individuals that are flush with funds no one will invest...not one.
I find that incredible considering we are speaking of the greatest
archaeological discovery on the planet. That will bring much blessings to the
individuals that walk in faith to the ancient places and to the believers.
No one wants to be a part of this let alone supporting such a worthy venture.
I tell you this journey will be written up in the annals of the planet which
includes the records of Paradise and will be respected by the Universal Fathers.
And yet no one even gets stimulated by the prospect! I just cant believe it how
far away is man with the Father. Even the Christians run for hills to save there
useless doctrine in this time. A doctrine that will be corrected for the better
and further defined in truth through this process.
Its a great adventure for man that he rejects. Incredible!
In the system capitals where our kind live there is a stone wall that
encompasses our history and record of the Planet which begins 500,000 years
before Dalamatia City, when the planet was deemed a inhabited planet, when man
self conscious of God and worshiped him which enacted the 6th and 7th Adjutant
spirit, above the 5 levels of animal behavior. We became self realized at that
time. 1,000,000 years ago.
On this stone block there is 2 kilometers of the wall that is clear and reserved
until the completion of truth of this planet. I wouldn't be surprised if this
journey will documented on this cleared part of the wall. If that is case all
participant will be named and honored for eternity.
There is a great prize in this journey for all.
Also there is shrine of mystery that was set up in the system capital in our
domain when Jesus completed his time here. Only Jesus knows about the Mystery of
this shrine and is the only that can unlock this mystery. I wouldn't be
surprised if the great mystery does involve this journey in part.
The success of this journey is not just for the benefit of this planet but for
all the planets that fell into rebellion where there communications circuits
where cut. This journey and the success of it will be instrumental in lifting
the quarantine of the other planets as well.
There is real universal consequence in this project and all the eyes of the
universal admin not to mention all the inhabitants are looking at us right now.
They are expecting big things from us which we will fulfill.
This is truly an underdog project of faith and yet it has the greatest potential
for mankind and his destiny and the whole 7 super universes, Havona and
Paradise is viewing us with great interest.
All eyes are upon us and how do we respond in
light of our self proclaimed spirituality in light of real truth.
Great honor will come out of this project for
eternity, for ever and ever and the all will be known throughout the universe
for ever from this record and project of faith!
If you desire real honor for eternity this is the
project to get involved in and do something! For me I just do this because I
really enjoy it and I love to work with the Father on such a grand and exciting
project of destiny.
Plus its just FUN! where we are all friends and work together with a fraternal
good spirit amongst all the angels and Jesus whose focus is directly on the
first place where it all began. Also the disciples of Jesus are involved in this
to including the prophets of old.
This project is a "kingdom of Heaven" project working
with man and it will come to pass and be highly successful for eternity!
Here is some images of the Lost City, the first city Dalamatia City.
I have been in this journey for 4 years and i believe in the research that
it is the great sign of a transition and the City where there unfinished
business of Paradise. I believe it is something that was hidden and is
being revealed for the benefit of mankind but it may represent a
correction by Paradise. This city was where man first learned all things.
Its also where the Sons of God lived and in one moment most of them fell
into rebellion. I believe Allah or the Father in Paradise has unfinished
business in this city and that it is a sign prepared by the Most High of
the execution of Judgement or some transition of some type that increases
our truth and understanding as it can be measured.
Here is another close up the walls and the anomalies
There is alot to think about in this journey, Its been honest and truthful
and its for the benefit of all brotherhoods. It may represent a path as
mankind's soul is searched.
I hope it helps us all, Ive shared this with the Christian religions and
there has been no response I feel I should share it here but I expect no
response.
It makes absolutely no difference whether anyone believe this or not.
No problem, I'm just doing my job for Paradise, I want us all to be
successfull as all mankind will go through the abyss of the transition.
I believe its all to do with the last the judgement of the
last rebel as the demise of the rebellion stemmed from this very city
built by the Sons of God.
Just note I have drawn from all the books of religion which does include
the Quran and the Hadiths, I have been impressed by many fragments in the
Hadiths. But also in Enoch and many other books that I feel have all the
pieces of the puzzle as well. Its a universal project forming a oneness on
a focalization that led to this most interesting place.
Seven8
"Ouhm", means a righteous Non-Jew
who fears and worships HaShem and guards the Seven Laws of Noah.
The poem, in part, reads: "...
they shall stand head to head, heart to heart shoulder to shoulder and hand
in hand against many obstacles and much opposition. They will not stop until
they have
swept every corner and found her [the Ashes of the Cow]."
the word Jubilee actually means the
"Year of the Return of the Heritage" [Morashah] and the "Year of the
return to Inheritance" [Yirushah]. {Leviticus 25:} The Land of Israel is
the Heritage of the People of Israel.
But when Jeremiah found it out, he
blamed them and said, "The place shall be unknown until G-d gathers the
congregation of his people together and shows his mercy. Then the L-rd will show
where they are, and the glory of the L-ord will appear, as they were shown in
the days of Moses, and when Solomon asked that the place might be made very
sacred."
http://vjri.purpleguy.com/Researcher/Articles/Our_Excavations_in_IsraelBut
when Jeremiah found it out, he blamed them and said, "The place shall be unknown
until G-d gathers the congregation of his people together and shows his mercy.
Then the L-rd will show where they are, and the glory of the L-ord will appear,
as they were shown in the days of Moses, and when Solomon asked that the place
might be made very sacred."
posted
12-14-2007 03:49 AM
I wish I could go to the
Persian Gulf and physically prove Dalamatia City, the triangle city and bring it
into the realms of hard physical science. The only thing I can rely on that
comes close to science is the NASA Worldwind.
I agree with the above.
Sevens
posted
12-14-2007 04:13 AM
I think this image alone of Babel in Dilmun is a good contender for Atlantis
from the canals surrounding prospective to. Babel/Dilmun to the North of
Dalamatia City adopted much of the myths of the first city Dalamatia.
One thing for sure, its circular and it has canals system surrounding it and
leading to the sea.
The canal system seems to be uniform height which ideally suits a canal system
on the top of the walls.
Just the design alone seems match Atlantis in design on face value.
I reckon this Atlantis.
Again you can see the uniformity of the huge canal system in the following
image.
There she blows, Babel in Dilmun or Atlantis in my view. But the destruction of
Atlantis was borrowed from the destruction of the triangle City soon after the
fall of the Sons of God. I believe Babel/Dilmun in the North was destroyed by
rising sea levels in a gradual way, where they built the canals slowly upwards
over time. Where the wall breached and destroyed the place as mentioned in
Isaiah and then you have the mention of Sevenfold soon after.
Babel was a commercial centre to and
which matches the Atlantis description including the canals that lead to the
sea.
I believe I have a real contender here in breaking the Atlantis myth.
Just think, looking at the images I wonder what we see is a metaphor to the
current climate of rising sea levels and the destruction of the Babylon System
meaning the whole system due to 6m rapid sea level rise if Half the Antarctic
breaks of and and melts and over time warms and expands.
Sudden rise would destroy the system and all fulfills prophecy. When we look at
the Babel images are we seeing the future?
I'm sorry what other people think but I dont see any prosperity in the future if
this is a prospect!
I ask why would we find Babel know
if there weren't some impending things to happen. Also with rapid melt and
warming, extra weight on the plates means land emergence and submergence. Where
one may think its safe may not be.
Here is another
prospective.
Its interesting Babel was designed to be a great commercial centre of trade and
which was fulfilled however the the builders never listened to the advice of
building the structure closer inland in remembrance to the destruction of
Dalamatia. Looking at it now we now that the advice was right
Hence we see the same thing today with our commercial center of the world in the
face of possible rapid sea level rise. The system of Babel destroyed by water.
We see the same advice today but who really listening at the end of the day. We
have to move to independent energy devices and water collection units and
portable growing houses and many other things...A moving population with the
ability to sustain itself.
and another image
Sevens
Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:31 am
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand
Quote:
Who will elect God’s
Will?
There is a group described in scripture that live in the Latter days (now).
They have an important task to complete and they are described in great
detail in scripture that was written by the Old Testament Prophets (Contact
Personalities) who collaborated with Melchizedek as told in the Urantia
Book.
The following are excerpts from the book The Kingdom of Heaven is at Hand.
The latter days are when Jews are regathered from all over the world back to
their homeland of Israel only to be attacked, in a still future prophecy, by
"all the nations" in war As you read the current events of this unfolding
situation in modern Israel it is good to be aware that what is happening now
was prophesied over 2500 years ago. We are living in a very special time in
history which will witness the coming of Melchizedek to assume his rightful
sovereignty of our world. The group of people described below are
characterized by their willingness to elect the will of God over and above
their own.
The act of choosing the Will of God over all other concerns requires the
obliteration of the dead center of doubt and results in the total
identification of man’s will with God’s Will. Let’s look further at these
people in scripture who elect the Will of God as their own.
Those Who Elect God’s Will
1Enoch 95:4 You shall not fear those who trouble you;
for restoration shall be yours; a splendid light shall shine around
you, and the voice of tranquility shall be heard from Heaven.
1Enoch 97:9 But in those days blessed shall they be, to whom the word of
wisdom is delivered; who point out and pursue the path of the
Most High (God); who walk in the way of righteousness, and
who act not impiously with the impious.
The ‘word of wisdom is delivered’ to the elect through special books as we
shall see later. Continuing on with the those who elect God we have:
1Enoch 91:2 Let not your spirit be grieved on account of the times; for the
holy, the Great One, has prescribed a period to all.
1Enoch 91:3 Let the righteous man arise from slumber; let him arise, and
proceed in the path of righteousness, in all its paths; and let him
advance in goodness and in eternal clemency.
1Enoch 91:1 That which was written by Enoch. He wrote all this instruction
of wisdom for every man of dignity, and every judge of the earth,
for all my children who shall dwell on the earth and for subsequent
generations.
1Enoch l: 1 The word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and
the
righteous who were to exist in the time of trouble. (the end of the age
trial period)
1Enoch 1:2 From them (the angels in his vision) I (Enoch) heard all things,
that
will not take place in this generation, but in a distant generation,
which is to succeed on account of the elect.
1Enoch 1:9 The elect shall possess light, joy, and peace; and they shall
inherit the earth.
1Enoch 1:11 Then shall wisdom be given to the elect, all of whom will live
and
not transgress.
1Enoch Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and wise shall
109:10 be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom…Who from
these (books) shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.
A particular group of people is being described here. So far, this group,
referred to as the elect:
1. Receive books of great wisdom, through which they are made wise
2. Acquire the knowledge of every upright path
3. Pursue and point out the path of the Most High (God)
4. Live in the latter days, the time of tribulation, in a distant generation
from
Enoch.
5. Inherit the earth (after the ruling elite are deposed)
6. Are from among ‘Israel’ or Christendom of today.
The Book of Revelation contains
a vision of the apostle John where John is instructed to write messages to
the seven churches. The seven churches are the various types or groups of
Christians living at the end of the age right before Messiah Melchizedek
arrives. These messages contain a divine assessment of the pluses and
minuses of each group or personality type existing at the end of the age
upon us now. All of the seven churches have considerable portions of
negative criticism except for one – the Church of Philadelphia:
Revelation 3:7 And to the church of Philadelphia write: "This is the message
from the one who is holy and true. He (Jesus) has the key that belonged
to David, and when he opens a door, No one can close, and when
he closes a door, No one can open it.
The one who is holy and true, with the key of David, is Jesus Christ who
holds the keys to the spiritual kingdom of heaven within. He says to the
church of Philadelphia:
Revelation 3:8 I know your works. Behold, I have set an open door before
you,
which no one is able to shut; I know that you have but little power;
and that you have kept my word (or have been faithful to my message:
Phillips
translation) and have not denied my Name (Jesus).
This is a group that Jesus gives wholehearted approval (an open door),
living at the end of The Age, who are true to the message of Jesus, the
gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Consider the "door" which Jesus speaks of:
Revelation 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock,’ if anyone hears my
voice and opens his
door, I will come in to dine and eat with him and he with Me.
Matthew 7:7 Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you
will find, keep
on knocking and the door will be opened to you.
John 10:1 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, he who does not enter by
the
door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way is a thief and
robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of sheep…
10:6 But they (the apostles) did not understand what He was talking
about.
10:7 I tell you that I Myself (Jesus) am the Door of the Sheep.
The door represents entrance into the kingdom of heaven within where man
communes directly with God, as son with Father. For the price of faith and
obedience, God promises to do everything else. Jesus is the personification
of faith and of obedience to God’s will: "not my will but Your will be
done," Jesus prays. And so, the Father is glorified in Jesus and Jesus is
glorified in his Father. "The kingdom of heaven is the will of God enthroned
in the heart of man." (UB) And so, the door of the kingdom of heaven is
always open to the members of the church of Philadelphia because they
already know God and seek to do His Will, i.e. they already understand the
kingdom of heaven. Now we need to know more about this church of
Philadelphia:
Philadelphia, not a very large city, was a busy commercial center.
was the meeting point of roads from Sardis, from the coast and from
regions in the Northeast and Southeast. (Handbook on Revelation to John
– United Bible Societies)
The final letter to the church of Philadelphia takes us to the ultimate
evolutionary stage – full knowledge of consciousness, a state beyond
duality… (Revelation, Peter Lorie, Simon & Schuster)
From the very beginning Philadelphia was seen as a monument to the
possibility of divinity within mankind. The Greek word "philadelphiers"
means one who loves his brother"… Founded in around l50 B.C., it was
situated on high ground and formed a perfect geographical position for
trade. It was known as a gateway to the East…We can suppose that for
John, Philadelphia would have epitomized the ideal of a city which had
balance, good will, and good judgment. This gives us a good allegory for
the final stage of human spiritual evolution – that of enlightenment, the
ultimate consciousness, a state that brings perfect balance. At this stage
according to all Eastern and Western traditions, there is no duality, but a
oneness with life and all existence. The other six letters of Revelation can
be exemplified by the opposites of the Zodiac signs – Leo and Aquarius,
Gemini and Sagittarius, for example. Here we have characteristics that are
in opposition to one another, whereas in the final stage of human
development (as symbolized by Philadelphia) we become one with
existence – enlightened. (Peter Lorie, Revelation)
Put simply we become holy, the word derives from the Old English hal, whole
or integrated and complete.
Transcendence, overcomes the paradox of duality, the experience of the
reality of the Kingdom of heaven within allows us to identify with a higher,
spiritual reality, instead of a lower, material reality. The higher
completes the lower. And the Highest Reality, the source of all reality is
God, who’s very Will is motivated by love and guided by wisdom. Now, lets
look at the missing links contained in the Urantia Book regarding
Philadelphia:
UB 1869 Within a short time after the destruction of Jerusalem, Antioch
became the headquarters of Pauline Christianity; while Philadelphia
remained the center of the Abnerian Kingdom of heaven.
From Antioch the Pauline version of the Teachings of Jesus and
the teaching about Jesus spread to all the Western World; from
Philadelphia the missionaries of the Abnerian Kingdom of heaven
spread throughout Mesopotamia and Arabia until the later times
when these uncompromising emissaries of the teachings of Jesus
were overwhelmed by the sudden rise of Islam.
UB 1832 …the believers at Philadelphia held more strictly to the religion
of Jesus, as he lived and taught, than any other group on earth.
Now prophecy is true both in the context of the time of its writing and in
the time of its prophetic future fulfillment. And so, the church of
Philadelphia spoken of in Revelation as existing in the latter days (now)
would have characteristics like the church of Philadelphia existing at the
time of John’s vision and writing. One might then expect this congregation
or church of the latter days to be a group, like Abner’s, true to the
message of Jesus (the gospel of the kingdom of heaven), and to be concerned
with issues of brotherly love such as the brotherhood of man predicated on
the Fatherhood of God. This is exactly the effect of the Urantia Book, ie;
to explain and inspire the living of the kingdom of heaven within; the true
way, the true gospel of Jesus that the apostles did not understand. The
Urantia Book actually brings into being this latter day church of
Philadelphia. The Urantia Book teaches the doing of God's Will. The elect
are those who choose (elect) God's Will. Now if we integrate these concepts
from Revelation about the Church of Philadelphia with the concepts of
1Enoch, one could envision a group in the latter days that:
1 is blessed with book(s) of joy and great wisdom;
2 that give them knowledge of the way of God which they practice
and point out to others; (the choosing of God's Will)
3 that know the true message of Jesus and are faithful to it, (the choosing
of God's Will)
4 and have reached the enlightenment stage of brotherly love.
5 live in the latter days, the time of tribulation, in a distant generation
from
Enoch.
6 have but little worldly power, probably a small group.
7 Are found among ‘gentile’ Christians.
These descriptions from Enoch and Revelation seem to mesh very well. The
"elect" congregation is one and the same as the "church of Philadelphia."
Also, consider this line of scripture addressed to the church of
Philadelphia:
Revelation 3:11 I am coming soon; hold fast what you have, so that no one
may
seize your crown.
Remember this crown?
Deuteronomy 33:16 Let the blessings come upon the head of Joseph, upon the
crown
of the head of him who was separate (in Egypt) and prince among
his brothers. (The crown follows the "elect" , those who elect God.)
Those Who Elect God’s Will
Genesis 49:26 The blessings…on you (Joseph) are as lasting as the bounties
of
the eternal hills; they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the
crown of the head of him…who is prince among them (twelve sons
of Jacob).
Genesis 37:9 Joseph dreamed another dream…He said, behold, this time not
only eleven stars
but also the sun and moon bow down to reverence me.
The crown seems to track "the elect" which passes from Joseph to Ephraim. We
have already seen that both terms Joseph and Ephraim are used to denote Lost
Israel, which has in turn been identified with Christians. Therefore one
might look for the elect among Christians and more specifically the future
remnant of the Christians. The elect appears to be the leadership group,
among the Christians, who know and practice the "path of God," who are given
books of great wisdom (from which they learn the way of every upright path),
who point out to others the path of the Most High (God), and who are
faithful to the true message of Jesus. Now consider a slightly different use
of the word elect as part of a completely different topic.
1Enoch 39:1 In those days the elect and holy race descend from the upper
heavens
and their seed shall be with the sons of men.
This "holy and elect" race of people are implied to be not of the sons of
men (human kind) Their "seed" shall be with the sons of men, apparently for
procreative purposes. These are definitely physical beings because they
produce "seed" presumably eggs, sperm or both. Since we are talking about
physical beings, their "descent from the upper heavens" is also a physical
event, which could be interpreted as coming down from the sky or space and
"descending." Now consider:
UB 1025 Is there a possibility that an unexpected and unprecedented event
is about to take place, the sometime return to the planet of Adam and
Eve or certain of their progeny…
With a large amount of speculation, one might consider 1Enoch 39:1 as
referring to the Adamic racial strain as the elect. This would explain why
they are referred to as the "elect and holy race" as this race may be the
children of Adam and Eve. The crown of Joseph may in part indicate his
endowment of Adamic genes acquired through the breeding of a male line of
the mixed Semitic heritage with the female line of an Adamically enriched
heritage. The word elect may partly refer to similar genetics, as well as
other more important intangible factors, such as the election of God’s will
as their highest goal. Genetics may play a role in the nucleus of this
group, but as in Moses’ time, in a majority of the group, genetics may play
little or no role. Genetic considerations are present, but are a limited
factor among many that define this group, or any other group for that
matter.
Also consider:
Isaiah 45:4 …Israel mine elect, I have called thee by name: I have surnamed
thee, though thou
hast not known me.
Here, Israel is addressed as "mine elect." We already know that Israel is
derived from Joseph and that Lost Israel is modern Christendom. Again, the
elect are among the Christians. Further, Christ in Christian means Messiah
and the Messiah has been identified as Melchizedek, therefore Christians are
surnamed after Melchizedek, the Messiah, who then says, "I have surnamed
thee, though thou hast not known me." Christians are surnamed after
Melchizedek the true Messiah or "Christ," and Christians do not know
anything about him – yet! Remember, Jesus is not the Messiah! The name
Christ (Messiah) is what Jesus is not. Rather, the person Jesus Christ lies
above Melchizedek in the hierarchy of divine Sons, just as Adam and Eve lie
below as described in the Urantia Book. At the very bottom of the hierarchy
of course lies the human being, also a son of God, small s of course. We
continue with further prophecy regarding the elect:
Isaiah 65:9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an
inheritor of my mountains: and my elect shall inherit it, and my
servants shall dwell there.
This goes along with the statement in Enoch regarding the elect inheritance.
The greater the number of different sources, the higher the probability of
accuracy, although 1Enoch could be derived from Isaiah or vice-a-versa.
Matthew 24:22 And unless the Lord had shortened the days, no human being
Amplified would be saved; but for the sake of the elect; His chosen ones
(those
Bible whom He picked out for Himself) he has shortened the days.
What is implied here is that God would allow the world to destroy itself if
not for the presence of the elect. But we shouldn’t get the idea of a
"chosen group" – this is definitely not so. The elect are those who elect
God to a position of central importance in their lives. God has chosen every
human being through the gift of His indwelling spirit. We are all chosen,
but only some choose Him in return. It is not God’s Will that anyone suffer,
either physically or spiritually, but due to prior antecedent causes, freely
chosen, there is a harvest of evil to reap for the family of man. And even
this, God will turn to the benefit of those that love Him.
Also consider:
Daniel 12:1 At that time…there shall be a time of trouble, straightness, and
distress
Amplified such as never was since there was a nation till that time…
Bible
Daniel 12:3 And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the
brightness
of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness shall give
forth light like the stars forever and ever.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be
tried, smelted, and refined, but the wicked will do wickedly. And
none of the wicked will understand, but the teachers and those who
are wise shall understand.
Here we have a group who understand, are wise, and who teach others. They
purify themselves because they choose God’s will under difficult
circumstances and are transformed (purified and refined) in the process.
These unnamed people of Daniel fit precisely with what we already know about
the elect. Since these people of Daniel do the same things as the elect do,
they are the same. Scripture speaks directly to these elect who choose God
saying:
Isaiah 41:6 Each one helps the other.
Saying to his fellow, "take courage!"
Isaiah 41:9 You whom I drew from the ends of the earth
And called from its far corners…
Isaiah 41:10 Be not frightened for I am your God,
I strengthen you and I help you.
I uphold you with My victorious right hand.
Shamed and chagrined shall be
All who contend with you;…
Isaiah 41:12 Those who struggle with you
Less than nothing shall be
Isaiah 55:17 No weapon against you
Shall succeed,
And every tongue that contends with you at home
You shall defeat
Isaiah 61:6 …You shall be called "Priests of the Lord,"
And termed "servants of our God."
Isaiah 66:14 You shall see and your heart rejoice,
Your limbs shall flourish as the grass.
Now lets turn to the Dead Sea Scrolls on this important topic about those
who elect God Below, the Teacher of Righteousness, the leader of the Qumran
Community, is giving his interpretations of various scripture passages
regarding these same elect:
4Q215 Prophecy of Naphtali - …they (the elect) will endure the affliction of
Col 2 distress and the ordeal of the pit, and they will be purified by these
things and shall become the elect of righteousness;
11Q13 By the power of Melchizedek, dominion on earth will pass from
DSC Belial (Devil/Caligastia) to the righteous Sons of Light. (DSC A New
Translation, Wise, Abegg & Cook)
This latter group (The Sons of Light) constitutes those who are
predestined to belong to the party of Melchizedek, "the congregation
of the sons of righteousness." (the elect)
4Q160 Thy people shall take refuge…amid the rage of the enemies of
DSC Thy people, Thou shalt verify Thy glory over the land and sea…
And all the peoples of Thy lands shall know that Thou hast created
them…and the multitudes shall understand that this is Thy people…
Thy holy ones whom Thou hast sanctified. (Wise, Abegg & Cook)
4Q174 Interpreted (Psalm 2:1) this saying concerns the Kings of the nations
DSC who shall rage against the elect of Israel in the last days. This shall
be the time of trial to come…so as to perfect…(…represents missing scroll
text) (Wise, Abegg & Cook)
4Q174 A remnant of the people shall be left according to the lot assigned
DSC them, and they shall practice the Whole Law…Moses. (…represents
missing scroll text) Thy people who know God shall be strong.
They are the masters who understand…(Wise, Abegg & Cook)
4Q 243, (In that time) those who are called by name shall be gathered…
244, 245 from among the Gentiles, and it shall be, from that day…the holy
DSC ones…(missing text) (Wise, Abegg & Cook)
The above passages from the Dead Sea Scrolls, describe a group of people
who: take refuge from the rage of its enemies, are ultimately glorified by
God, are perfected by trials, who practice the "whole law," and are "masters
of understanding." Finally, we learn that these people are "called by name"
(by God and Melchizedek) and are found among the gentiles in the latter
days. These individuals match up with what we already know about the elect
from prior descriptions. This group, by many names, is found consistently
from among diverse sources of scripture including 1Enoch, Revelation, the
Dead Sea Scrolls, Isaiah and Jeremiah among others. In fact, a high
percentage of unfulfilled scripture, regarding the end of the age, is about
this group and its experiences. Further, we have further scripture
interpretation by the Teacher:
4Q171 This (Psalm 37:14-15) refers to the wicked of "Ephraim and
DSC Manasseh," who will try to do away with the Priest and the
members of his party during the time of trial that is coming upon
them. But God will save them from their power and afterward
hand them (wicked) over to the wicked Gentiles for judgment.
(Wise, Abegg & Cook)
4Q171 Interpreted (Psalm 37:16), this is the congregation of His elect who
DSC do His Will. (Dead Sea Scrolls, Vermes)
The reference in the first stanza (4Q171) to "the Priest and members of his
party" is to the Messianic final prophet to come and "his party" is the
"congregation of the elect." The wicked of "Ephraim and Manasseh" are
members of "Lost Israel" (leaders of America and England, discussed later)
who try to destroy the congregation of the elect. (Probably because they
reveal the truth about these corrupt leaders.)
Further interpretation by the Teacher of Righteousness:
DSC This (Psalm 6:1-4) refers to the Last Days, about (the righteous,
pg. 234 when) Belial (devil) planned to destroy them in his fury, so that
Wise none would remain of…God will not allow Belial…But the Angel of God’s
truth
will help keep the Children of Light from the power of Belial. But the
righteous are
always beloved, and the Great power of God is with them, (Wise, Abegg, &
Cook)
(… represent missing original text)
Why Belial is so angry at this group is not explicit, but is presumably due
to the promulgation of truth, which discloses and sets up resistance to
Belial’s activities. The divine protection of the elect and righteous,
during the messianic period, is described over and over in scripture across
many different sources. It has a very high probability of happening. This is
similar to the protection afforded the ancient Israelites by "the Lord" as
his servant Moses led them out of Egypt. The end is very much like the
beginning in sacred history. From Dead Sea Scrolls by Geza Vermes, we
continue on the subject of the elect:
4Q381 DSC Man will not be strong and will not rise
Vermes Fr.46 …and Thou hast tested all.
Noncanonical And the elect, like an offering;
Psalms. Thou wilt purify before Thee,
Thanksgiving Light shines and joy bursts forth;
Hymns Morning vanishes and sorrow flees.
Peace is revealed, dread ceases
Iniquity has stopped, plague has ceased
With no more illness
For He humbles the proud spirit with no remnant
And from the dust He lifts up the poor to eternal heights
He raises freely the totterers of the earth,
And His might is with their steps.
4Q267 … He established appointed times of goodwill for those who
Fr. 1 search His commandments and walk in the perfection of way.
And he revealed hidden things to their eyes, and opened their
ears so that they might hear deep (secrets) and understand all
future things before they befall them.
It would appear that God is going to make available to those who elect God,
and all who will listen, the events that will happen before they befall
them. This is possibly mediated through His servant, the final prophet, who
is said to reveal deep secrets and foretell all that will happen to the
elect through the interpretation of the Prophets of Old. Further:
4Q4l8 And you, elect of truth
Fr. 69 and pursuers of righteousness and justice
… guardians of all knowledge,
How will you say:
We labour for understanding
And keep awake to pursue knowledge.
Finally, we generalize our search regarding the elect and find:
John Hogue
Millennium Prophecy
I saw the sun-eyed children of a marvelous dawn
…the massive barrier breakers of the world
…the architects of immortality
…bodies made beautiful by the Spirit’s light,
Carrying the magic word, the mystic fire,
Carrying the Dionysian cup of Joy
Sri Aurobindo (l946-47), Saut.
Millennium You will not have to be good, you will find you are good.
Prophecy You will not have to be loving, you will find you are love.
Osho (l987), RBSP
Nostradamus
15Q96 To speak the truth they will have closed mouths.
Millennium Those who really desire to understand,
Prophecy Who are looking to find that which is eternal,
Without beginning and without end,
Will walk together in great intensity,
Will be a danger to everything that is unessential,
To unrealities, to shadows.
And they will concentrate, they will become the Flame,
Because they understand.
J. Krishnamurti ( l929)
Millennium One hundred years ago, Madame Blavatsky saw a future where
Prophecy America becomes the cradle of a new human kind. (John Hogue)
Those who "keep awake to pursue knowledge" and "labour for understanding"
are "the massive barrier breakers of the world." Like Jesus, they "will have
closed mouths to speak the truth" and they will "walk together in great
intensity." And so, the Lord preserves his "servants" who are mindful of him
and will give them the land to dwell on. What’s more His "chosen ones" are
given actual possession of the earth. This means that when the present world
leadership is removed that sovereignty will pass to Melchizedek and
Melchizedek will give it to "his chosen ones," elsewhere called the elect.
The elect are those who understand, elect, and do God’s will. Consider:
Those Who Elect God’s Will
1Enoch 1:1 (This is) The word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the
elect and the
righteous who are to exist in the time of trouble;…
1Enoch 1:2 that which will not take place in this generation; but in a
generation, which is to
succeed at a distant period, on account of the elect.
Matthew. 24:22 And except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved; but for the
elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
Isaiah 65 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even
called thee by thy
name: I have surnamed thee, though thou has not known me.
Isaiah 43:1 Fear not, for I will redeem you,
I have singled you out by name,
You are mine.
When you pass through water,
I will be with you;
Through streams,
Thy shall not overwhelm you
When you walk through fire
You shall not be scorched…
Because you are precious to Me
And honored, and I love you.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon formed against you
Shall succeed…
Such is the lot of the servants of the Lord,
Such their triumph through Me.
From 1Enoch we see that this people who love God, i.e. the "elect," is a
group that exists during the trial period, that "distant period" of time
referred to by 1Enoch at the end of the age. Also, we notice, that God’s
entire plan for salvation during this period is enacted for the sake of
those people who love God and live according to His Will; those who elect
Him.
Matthew confirms 1Enoch, or derives from 1Enoch, this same sentiment. Isaiah
gives clues to the identify of the elect and emphasizes the divine
protection and support they will receive in their attempts to stand up to
the evils of "those days," through which those people will be further
refined and "made white" in the fires of adversity. Further:
1Enoch To the righteous and wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity,
104:10 and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they
shall believe;
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous will be
rewarded, who from these (books) shall acquire the knowledge
of every upright path.
104A: 1 In those days, saith the Lord, they (the elect) shall call to the
children of the earth and make them listen to their wisdom.
Show them that you are their leaders…Rejoice, children of
integrity, in the truth.
Rejoice indeed. It would appear that through some remarkable books, a
certain group or groups of people will be brought into a whole knowledge of
"every upright path." These people become leaders in teaching other people,
the "children of the earth," the ways of truth. Perhaps this teaching may
relate to other scriptural statements that "before the end (of the age) the
gospel of the kingdom of heaven will be proclaimed to all the world." Notice
that this gospel is about the kingdom of heaven, the true gospel of Jesus.
Now, all we need to do is find those people who have been taught, by books,
about this mysterious subject, the kingdom of heaven, and wake them up to
their task ahead. Lets turn now to see what the Dead Sea Scrolls have to say
about the elect.
DSC Why do the peoples rage and the peoples meditate vanity? Why
4Q174 do the kings of the earth rise up, and the princes take council
together
against the Lord and his Messiah’ (Psalms 2:1).
Interpreted, this saying concerns the kings of nations who shall
rage up against the elect of Israel in the last days. (Interpretation by the
Teacher of Righteousness, leader of the Qumran community)
4Q174 ‘But the wicked shall do wickedly and shall not understand,
but the righteous shall purify themselves and make themselves
white (Daniel.12:10)’ ...the people who know God shall be strong.
They are the masters who understand…(Interpretation by Teacher
of Righteousness; dotted lines represent missing original text)
Notice here that the Teacher of Righteousness is interpreting Psalm 2 and
Daniel 12:10 in the same vein as we have been. He identifies an elect group,
who is standing up against the world and the powers to be ("peoples" and
"Kings of the nations" rage). The Teacher of Righteousness also recognizes
the unique understanding that these people will possess, they know God in
their hearts and understand His Kingdom of Heaven within. Scripture is
reinforcing and repeating important information. Information so reinforced,
is very likely to be accurate judging from past performances. Also note that
the elect are ‘of Israel’ which have previously been identified as
Christians, many of whom are living in the Chief of Nations during the
latter days. More on the identity of the elect will be presented later in
this book.
Now, we return again to Isaiah where the Lord says:
I dont know man but Ive been reading a commentary on the Dead Sea scrolls with a
cross check into Psalms and have been discovering some interesting things.
Really interesting for me personally.
There some things between the Psalms and the Dead Sea scrolls that speak of
things that I only now and can identify directly to what is described. Only the
Father in Heaven would know about this only him in the whole construct.
I tell you this because I think you're the only one around here and the Internet
that is lateral enough to understand these things and is willing to converse
with me in the sense of perusing things of truth.
I feel there is a higher level of binary that replaces the virus ridden binary
we currently have in the current binary in mans soul.
What if rapture does occur where the elect (can be anyone with faith even half
hearted) and we went to another place in the abodes of the heavens where you
could persue your research into a more integrated binary or a higher level of
language and then apply it here when we come back in the rehabilitation stage
before the ages of light and life.
What if the opportunity existed for anyone who desires to continue there
research in the abodes of the Gods for the future.
Anyway, I think that exists right now, today and from I was reading we must be
close as I'm coming onto a different realization.
all the best brother.
Eh bro I wish I did better in Java thats for sure. But this journey over took
all of the time and couldn't absorb it. Thats was a pity.
Sevens
posted
12-16-2007 02:07 AM
Eh! Riven
Whats happening Capasa
Where are you!
Lets here some of those stories about you.
Anyway bro, times are coming soon im pretty sure of it. Time to get the research
going, we are in for a ride of our lives.
Thanks to Atlantis of course!
It began with you and ends with you.
Remember the other forum when we began our debates. Eh!
Both of us going for it!
Ahahahah
Sevens
posted
12-16-2007 04:46 AM
I was reading the above Atlantis
thread and to me is sounds like Babel/Dilmun in the Northern Persian Gulf all
the way.
According to Enoch, the end of
the age scenario is explicitly for the spiritual progress of the elect, in
order to give them the opportunity for full growth and expression of their
maturing faith and wisdom. Only then does it make sense that when "the
people of God arise; then all will have rest from warfare." Once the main
purpose is achieved (the arising of the people of God) the destructive
events are brought to an end through the very efforts of this same people,
in partnership with God and Melchizedek.
1Enoch 6:11 Then shall wisdom be given to the elect, all of whom shall live,
and
not again transgress by impiety or pride; but shall humble
themselves, possessing prudence, and shall not repeat
transgression.
1Enoch 48:6 In His presence he existed, and has revealed to the saints and
to
the righteous by the wisdom of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved
the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and rejected this
world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the
name of the Lord of spirits (Jno. 17:16).
1Enoch 48:7 For in His name shall they be preserved; and His will shall be
their life. In those days shall the kings of the earth and the mighty
men, who have gained the world by the work of their own hands,
become humble in countenance.
1Enoch 48:10 But in the day of their (kings) trouble, rest shall be on
earth.
Sevens
and
Quote:
Isaiah 43:1 Fear not, for I will redeem you;
I have singled you out by name,
You are Mine. When you pass through water,
I will be with you;
Through streams,
They shall not overwhelm you. When you walk through fire,
You shall not be scorched.
Through flame,
It shall not burn you.
Isaiah 43:4 Because you are precious to Me,
And honored, and I love you,
I give men in exchange for you
And peoples in your stead . . . Bring My sons from afar,
And My daughters from the end of the earth—
and
Quote:
Isaiah 43:9 All the nations
assemble as one,
If only you would heed My commands! (remember the quest of
the 7 commands?)
Then your prosperity would be like a river, Your triumph like the waves of the sea.(reference to the sea in
metaphor could mean Dalamatia and the other ancient places)
(reference to the sea in metaphor could mean Dalamatia and the other ancient
places)
But then again if all the nations heeded to the Lord commands we would have no
problems like we do today.
. dabela (mountain goat, large horn) 1Enoch
Doesn't a single horn have a triangle shaped form.
This certainly sounds like the
world ruling Beast Power often mentioned by prophecy writers and later verses
serve to affirm the identity. Then of Habakkuk 2:1-2: --"he who reads it may
read it speedily" [as concerning the Teacher of Righteousness to whom God made
known all the mysteries of the words of His servants the Prophets]…". There
is a delay spoken of in this commentary which apparently involves the
"waiting" of the prophet and uncovering of the vision, but there is no
indication how far the delay has progressed, except the obvious fact that
the delay is over when the Last Prophet becomes public. Certain of the
descriptive verses from the Thanksgiving Hymns concerning this Final Prophet
(Teacher of Righteousness) are presented along with the numbers of verses they
correspond with in the particular Psalms: Scrolls Verses Corresponding
Biblical Psalms (Physical circumstances) (Vs Nr.] Until I’m old-until
old age 37:25 [Psalms 37:25 states he is old and some Scrolls texts on –age
rules for positions suggest he would be between 50-60 years of age] Dim
eyesight from waiting 38:10 Lives among woods and waters/fishers and hunters
Poor health, pain, chronic loss of strength-heart fails 38:3-8, 40:12 My soul
has journeyed to the gates of death- 88:3 God has not placed my support in
gain-no fleshly refuge- 40:17 (the Prophet’s opponents) All who have
eaten my bread have lifted their heel against me- 41:9 Opponents hate
wrongfully and render evil for good- 38:19-20 By their affliction
bitterness-sorrow-ignominy 42:5, 43:5 You (God) widened my heart- they narrow
my heart with affliction- 39:3
Psalm was
not speaking of Jesus at all. By part of this verse and His own authority
Jesus predicted His betrayal, though even the first "trusted" part could not
have applied to Him. We find another instance on one of these Psalms being
applied to Jesus in Hebrews 10 beginning in verse 5 (quoting Psalms 40:6-8):
"sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me-Then
I said ‘here I am-it is written about me in the scroll-I have come to do your
will O God-’ (NIV). The portion which reads "a body you have prepared for
me" is derived from the Septuagint and this is the text used in Hebrews.
However in most Biblical Psalms the Masoretic (Hebrew) is used and it reads,
"my ears you have pierced (opened)", which
is quoted in the scrolls pertaining to the final Prophet. The verse certainly
seems to be speaking of the Prophet and the Scrolls while the slightly
different version applied only to Christ. The personal betrayal of the Last
Prophet might be connected to the estrangement of friends and
loved ones if the betrayal involves a marital dispute.
Friends and relatives become very uncomfortable around those involved in
serious domestic disputes or divorce. "Eaten my bread" seems to connote those
who have lived in his household rather than someone who shared a picnic lunch.
There is also a time when the Prophet will be on trial but God will not
allow the prophet to be convicted. There is no evidence this betrayal is
to the death as it was for Christ. One or several of these identifying clues
might well be applied to a wide number of people but as each is added on the
odds diminish. With these Dead Sea Scrolls painting a veritable
"portrait" of the final Prophet it will be pretty difficult for a phony
"Elijah" prophet to impersonate the real one even if the Creator would
allow it. (Online Prophet, Bobby Rich)
One
portion of this portrait of the Final Prophet is taken directly from the
Psalms, which were inspired directly by Melchizedek 4000 years ago, at which
time he already knew the future history of "Israel." Another portion is taken
from the Thanksgiving Hymns written by the Teacher of Righteousness of the
Dead Sea Scrolls. A large amount of Old Testament prophecy is concerned
with the messianic, end of the age scenario, at a time today, when prophecy is
nearly forgotten and largely ignored. Ironically, this ignorance occurs at the
very time of its relevance.
The
physical traits and the education of the Final Prophet are described in the
Dead Sea Scrolls and are discussed earlier in this book, in the chapter on
Isaiah, near Isaiah 42. One of the major roles of the Dead Sea Scrolls is to
convey this hidden information about the Final Prophet over thousands of years
of time, until today when the day of its usefulness and relevance comes due. I
would now like to offer my own composite sketch of God’s servant, the Final
Prophet that is based on a complete analysis of the information contained in
the Biblical Psalms, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Prophets. Information
from the Thanksgiving Psalms is not included here because it has been
covered above and because it is not clear to me whether the Teacher of
Righteousness intended his Thanksgiving Hymns as a prophesy of the final
prophet to come or was speaking about himself, or both. Separating out this
information we have:
God’s Servant, Final Prophet
Names
. Elijah to come (Malachi 3:23)
. another and Greater John the Baptist (UB)
. interpreter of the Law (DSC)
. the Priest (DSC)
. interpreter of Knowledge (DSC)
. God’s servant (Isaiah)
. dabela (mountain goat, large horn) 1Enoch
Mon
Dec 17, 2007 3:25 am
I cant understand that deal at all.
Why would the Israeli government give away the mount being so precious to them,
to an aggressive people who are bent on the destruction of Israel and its
people.
I must comment on the arrogant people who are supposed to be stewards of the
temple.
I believe they are a pack of frauds and imposter's.
I just look at the fruits of that whole movement in all the countries and what
they represent...There are no fruits at all except death, destruction and
belligerence and yet the rebels are in charge of the temple.
I personally think they have no idea of the truth and real religion. I think
there brand is an apostasy to the truth and there fruits are an insult to
Paradise and its intent and desire in the main plan.
They show nothing of the truth, beauty and goodness in there actions and I
believe they are under the control of Belial, the last rebel.
How you can tell is by the arrogance of this temple group, the wafi. The
belligerence that they offer is nothing but the characteristics of the Last
rebel. Islamic governments in this world today are hopeless administrators and
cant run a country for the life of them because they are not guided by the
spirit of truth, beauty and goodness rather perpetuating war, death and
destruction.
Because they rely on erroneous interpretations by normal humans full of pride
and prejudice that will not come to pass in the way they want. They are in error
right from the outset due to the pride and arrogance with adopted scripts they
never really understood.
Paradise have there own plans which does not encompass imposition of will,
aggression and belligerence.
All belligerence in the coming judgment will be cast out as if never born.
I believe that the forms of Islam that project the characteristics of Belial
will be destroyed and its followers.
Islam is in deep hot water with Paradise and those perpetuating the cause of
rebellion will loose and be cast out! Also Islam has rejected the pending truth
100% so they will live by there erroneous decisions.
Christianity in its asleep mode will also be rebuked for being asleep and for
not responding to the call. They will survive but will not be blessed...all this
is in prophecy. I'm speaking of the main churches who speak silly things that
are not relevant to the times and do not respond to the message because they
want to be blind for fear of loss of influence on the masses and the loss of
money and power!.
Also there are no good times up ahead at all, its going to be a time of
reckoning and destruction. Get your survival kit going! start planning and be
prepared. Im not bloody joking...swallow the pride crap and do it!
The first instance of judgment is a great sound that you have never ever heard
of before where the earth trembles.
Then it will be too late to reconsider...to late for all! Judgment is then in
progress!
By the way that front man for Al Qaeda, they are finished regarding any Paradise
plans. There is no future for that mob of willful killers of innocent people
with a firebrand of false religion that will not survive. They are false
teachers who influence and teach the young to be militia and suicide bombers! No
worth to Paradise in the new world where the current leaders of that religion
are fully responsible and will be judged accordingly.
They are seriously evil people and all the teachers of this firebrand religion
hold no favour with Paradise they are all expelled as if they were never born
and never will they leave a legacy in the future world to come guided by
Melchizedek and Jesus.
I have represented the ancient places to Islam for the second time and they have
rejected it. The person responsible for that will be individually taking full
responsibility for his informed decision in slapping and insulting Paradise in
the face at this most crucial period of time!
This is how strict and tough Paradise will be in the end times. The Nodite gene
propensity will sorted out and disposed of forever. Jesus is our only chance,
this is absolutely no other way except through Jesus and Melchizedek. Then when
the Father commits to judgment the only chance he will give is to the Christian
body even though it will be rebuked, it will survive but not in
the form we are familiar with today. Other than that there will be no other
gestures of passing through this almighty judgment.
Its you're either in or out, no compromises! Your heart and motive will be
searched.
Use you're current wealth for your survival plan! Investments and all that stuff
will not be realized in the scheme of things, Remember the Babylon system will
be destroyed which by the way was mans own doing through his material
selfishness. For me personally I have nothing I am a skinned duck as all my
resources have gone into this research also I'm banking on rapture, The Fathers
preservation plan for the elect! Yes, I am expecting rapture as rapture is
related to the revealing of things and the individual who reveals these things .
I would expect this would apply to other individuals of the same heart! all
makes sense and is logical in the words of prophecy.
The elect will come back to embrace the remnant and then both together they
rehabilitate the planet before the ages of light and life, the Seventh Epochal
revelation! in another 1000 years when we get our first translation temple built
by the Father himself for us.
This I believe this is the plan.
The Elect will be the leaders in the
new world of Jesus and Melchizedek and will see this whole Paradise plan through
from the beginning and end. The Elect will be involved for at least one thousand
years in the rehabilitation and will be supping of the tree of life. However
with the remnant I think they live a normal human life from birth to death. The
Elects genes will be modified to receive the benefits of the tree of life and
will be immortal, that's how physically the meek (the elect) inherit the earth.
Also I feel the elect will have
wife's from the Adamic progeny that chose to leave the planet post Adamic
default and that will return with the elect (Enoch) and produce large families
who names will live forever in the annals of the new world. I believe that the
wife's of the elect we be meet in Heaven after the rapture and does include
husbands for the female elect to. No worries about that!
My intention is to be reveal on the
run, be raptured and then come back for a 1000 years have a big family and help
out the planet and then see the new Epoch of life and light in a thousand years
and see temple descend, carry on a little more and then continue my universal
adventure! through translation in the new temple! Not through death in the
normal sense, also the temple gives man the ability to overcome death in the
normal sense with translation as an alternative!
Sevens
Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:48 am
I was thinking why China is not in
prophecy is because the event will take place in the early stages of their
ascension.
It seems to me it will happen sooner than later. In essence the country China in
the timeline will be irrelevant to the end times and have nothing to contribute
because of the dictatorship in essence that rules the country notwithstanding
all the people that have free opinions who are locked up because of freedom of
speech.
Another evil empire on the loose who are useless in the scheme of things.
Google and Yahoo are in with them, another hypocrisy companies, all for the sake
of commerce they sell there souls to the evil empire. Those scam companies and
the individuals that made their decisions against the ideals of Paradise in the
way of free speech will no way survive the ordeal, they are children of Belial
in real truth and don't give a crapper for you or your freedoms, they have
demonstrated that already with the individuals jailed and no doubt murdered by
the Chinese government for the sake of business ...Cowards! of the highest
degree and Paradise remembers their actions and will hold them accountable for
that evil not to mention the current Chinese government. They do nothing for the
average person.
It wont be useless mean nothing slap
on the wrists by the Government, they will be held accountable in the fullest
degree in light of the universal law of the Father, not this compromised corrupt
government in the lets make a deal crap! wink wink!
Also in the UB it speaks of the mainland of China being on precipice. It may
slide in the water during earth changes, there maybe lots of life lost if the
Chinese tectonic plate fall's in the Ocean.
Not worth really mentioning because no one will give a hoot and no one is going
to warn the good people over there and government is so dumbed down and stupid
in there new found materialism they wouldn't know what's happening to save
themselves let alone the people.
The government in China will all run to the hills to save there corrupt asses!
But there will be nowhere to go.
Actually all the governments are on
borrowed time and there time for judgment is coming very soon, they will all go
and be displaced. There end for them is coming soon and they will not survive.
When the elect are all taken, the goodness will be taken of the planet then man
and Belial will be together like the buddies that are, to meet there final
demise of personality annihilation. Except of course the remnant who have to
plan NOW for survival because it will be very though and the brotherhood of
Jesus and the Fatherhood of the Father is the only thing that keep the true
remnant together and safe.
Sevens
Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:04 am
This could very well relate to the very first
places of the first and second temple, Dalamatia City and 1stEden
particularly.
Quote:
Psalm 102:14 You will surely arise and take
pity on Zion, For it is time to be gracious to her;
The appointed time has come.
For the Lord has built Zion;
He has appeared in all
His glory.
Zion I feel could be directly related to the first and ancient places where
the first and second default happened and where the Father has unfinished
business.
"Has appeared" seems to speak of the past in ancient times.
"The anointed time" could be when Zion is revealed and is perhaps related to
the 1st and 2nd temples that the Lord built through his direct Sons of God
when they were loyal which includes direction from the Ex planetary prince.
This does include 1st Eden through loyal Van and Amadon too.
Maybe we are in the appointed time and are advised to be gracious to her which
may point again to the journey to the ancient places. I also believe this path
back to our origins and the unveiling of the ancient first places of the Sons
of God will lead to the full glory of the Lord! In effect these places would
be more Zion in my view because they are the temples! of the ancient times as
Isaiah speaks of, the whole planetary history and where the unfinished
business began.
and this one
Quote:
Malachi 3:1
Behold…the Lord whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to
(KJV) his temple,
even the messenger of the covenant, whom
ye
delight in: behold
he shall come.
In my mind the above directly relates to the current journey to the 1st and
2nd temples. I believe it is a direct match and Behold he will come.
I believe this is the confirmation beforehand confirmed in scripture.
I was also thinking that rapture would be the great sign of Jesus and is of
Jesus.
When his disciples what is the great sign. Jesus simply pointed to himself!
and that will be true in the final summation of this journey as the Son of Man
is the head priest and creator of all the ancient places.
Sevens
Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:40 am
Of course, God Himself is the ultimate source of
all true prophecy. He tells us:
Quote:
Isaiah 48:2
I am He—I am the First,
And I am the Last as well.
My own hand founded the earth,
My right hand spread out the skies.
Isaiah 48:16 From the beginning, I did not speak in secret; . . .
Isaiah 48:3 Long ago, I foretold things that happened,
From My mouth they issued, and I announced them;
Suddenly I acted, and they came to pass . . .
UB 1087
Institutional religion cannot afford inspiration and provide leadership in
this impending, worldwide social reconstruction and economic reorganization
because it has unfortunately become more or less of an organic part of the
social order and the economic system, which is destined to undergo
reconstruction. (Doesn’t reconstruction imply deconstruction first?)
UB 1088 The religion of living experience finds no difficulty in keeping
ahead of all these social developments and economic upheavals, amid which it
ever functions as a moral stabilizer, social guide and spiritual pilot.
UB 2087 The spiritual renaissance must await the
coming of these new teachers of Jesus’ religion who will be exclusively
devoted to the spiritual regeneration of men. And then will
these
spirit-born souls quickly supply the leadership and inspiration requisite
for the social, moral, economic and political reorganization of the world.Exactly what I saying in a previous post and
then finding the above UB fragment.
Isaiah 56:7
I will bring them to My sacred mount
And let them rejoice in My house of prayer,
"For My house shall be called
A house of prayer for all peoples."
Thus says the Lord God,
Who gathers the dispersed of Israel: "I will gather still more to those already
gathered."
Any images or scientific data
besides a description?
Or is there something I can see on worldwind software in the area. Also if the
sea was lowered 120m what would we find??
Of any images Ive seen so far all I see are old sea anchors and thats it.
I personally think all these accounts are just rehashed stories and have little
credibility.
The Civilization I can see in the images are part of the latter stone age period
whose people built circular temples to worship the Moon or Sun depending on the
area and there belief.
Thats all Georgous is finding. It has nothing to with Atlantis the city built by
the Gods. Atlantis goes back thousands upon thousands of years.
Atlantis essential has nothing to do with the 1350BC mark or there abouts.
but it doesn't mean it was Atlantis for all we know it could be part of the old
Andite civilization on the move as we now they were 2,500 years ago and of whom
the Atlantis legend came from.
sevens
posted
12-18-2007 04:28 PM
Hi Bluehue
I been reading your research on Aden, I think its interesting.
Recently I have looking at the heads of the Persian Gulf to see if I could find
clues to Dilmun to the East that should be located near to the Head of the
Persian Gulf near Dalamatia when it was destroyed.
Also Archaeologists in Iran have been uncovering very old ancient artifacts that
seem to resemble the long ago reflections of the lost original city of the Sons
of God.
Jiroft is a good example of pre Sumerian Civilisation that is reflective of the
progeny of the fallen Sons of God known as the Nodites and later the Andites.
Jiroft goes back to 9000BC of which its peculiar artifacts found are mentioned
in the UB and also through scientific inquiry.
I'm thinking if there is a very old city of Dilmun to the East it may lay near
those headwaters somewhere which is not far from the original cultural center of
Dalamatia.
I'm also thinking that the civilization of the Ad or the Andites who evolved
from the consummation of the Nodites and the Sons of Adam became the Andites of
long ago. The Andites traveled all over the world as they lost there homes to
due to flooding and spread there ideas of knowledge which we can be seen in
design and construction methods all over the world including the Inca
civilization.
I'm thinking about Aden and I'm wondering if its origins stem from ultimately
the Andites or even the Dilmun to the East Nodites. Where Aden contains many
myths and legends of this lost city of Dilmun to the East close by to the
Persian Gulf Heads in there pre Islamic period.
Its a thought but from what I can see is that your research seems to take me
closer to Dilmun of the East. I believe that the origins of civilization stemmed
from the Persian Gulf which included Aden.
To me Aden has a distant reflection to the Ad and of the Andites including there
culture and design genius.
I dont believe that the city of the Gods existed of Spain or anywhere near
there. I think it is a great fallacy and is untrue as I feel the artifacts
reflect a more latter stone age civilization that worshiped the Moon and Sun in
different areas, Stonehenge is a good example where I feel the religion of the
circle so to speak was also existent in Spain in that time to. and we are taking
about 4000BC years ago. Where Jiroft predates all that by many more thousands of
years, clearly a East to West migration of knowledge and civilization.
However the great first
City from what I can read and see goes back up to 500,000 years ago to 150,000
years ago when it was destroyed due to submergence and a tidal wave.
Here is a link to the great city where from now one one must
travel through the Seven Gates or Paths to get to the city.
As I was was contemplating the site, it came to me to construct the site with
Seven Gates and paths and branches leading to the city. In the same type as
1stEden of Cyprus was protected by the 12 gates which led to the 1stEden proper
in the land of 1stEden currently submerged of Cyprus in the Mediterranean..
As I was constructing the Gates and paths I came across this fragment and
immediately notice this references to the Seven Paths.
THE SEVENFOLD PEACE
And seeing the multitudes, Jesus went up into a mountain, and his disciples
came unto him, and all those who hungered for his words. And seeing them
gathered, he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
"Peace I bring to thee, my children, The Sevenfold Peace
Of the Earthly Mother
And the Heavenly Father.
Peace I bring to thy body,
Guided by the Angel of Power; Peace I bring to thy heart,
Guided by the Angel of Love; Peace I bring to thy mind,
Guided by the Angel of Wisdom. Through the Angels of
Power, Love and Wisdom, Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths Job 38
"paths" Of the Infinite Garden,
And thy body, thy heart and thy mind Shall join in Oneness In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace
To me the construction
the Gates and Paths with its branches is a fulfillment of the above excerpt
which has real meaning and understanding for me in this journey.
and another confirming fragment in Jesus' words.
Yea, I tell thee truly, The paths are seven Through the Infinite Garden,
And each must be traversed
By the body, the heart and the mind As one
Lest thou stumble
Into the abyss of emptiness.
For as a bird cannot fly with one wing,
So doth thy Bird of Wisdom
Need two wings of Power and Love To soar above the abyss
To the Holy Tree of Life.
Just reflecting in the
above is outstanding!
In making the gates and paths of Dalamatia City, rebuilding the City of truth
with its branches and then to run across these fragments whilst in construction
of the gates was an incredible spiritual experience. The journey to the
ancient places has all the elements depicted in the fragments..
For example Insert 31st October. In the following
is an early interpretation about expeditions. The following in term of the
journey since then could be about Evacuation to
infinite garden being space and its paths is
Sevens. The message comes from the Abyss and leads to Space and its
associated with the tree of life which infers immortality of those who qualify.
Its called the "the
Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace" Its a flight to a
safe place off planet and its means evacuation of the elect, righteousness and
the faithful to the Sovereign.
The Sevenfold Peace which in essence this operation is a Sevenfold
operation
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/ultimate_adventure.htm The paths are seven reflective of the Seven gates and paths to the city
of truth which was built by the Sons of God, the infinite Garden where the tree
of life was kept where it provided immortality to the Gods. Through the Infinite Garden,
Passing through the Gates, through the Garden to the City and also reflective of
the drive and discovery of Dalamatia City and Garden of the Gods encapsulating
1stEden and Dalamatia City both temples of the Gods in there respective Epochal
period. Shall join in Oneness
In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace
The journey is about the conjunction of all the scriptures and information in
each other religion that point to a single point like in the ancient cities.
This conjunction forms a oneness and closeness to the Father of creation or the
Gods if you like. To soar above the abyss
To the Holy Tree of Life.
All the information of passing through the examination is encapsulated in the
journey and oneness of the scripts as focalised on the ancient places. The
knowledge and living of the love one another Jesus message is the information of
success as presented in his words through the Essenes.
The personal success of passing through the abyss leads to the tree of life and
immortality, it could be a message to the elect. In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace This is all reflective
of the past expeditions to 1st Eden and the potential expedition to Dalamatia
City in the Persian Gulf, its truly a flight to the sea of peace or trip on the
boat of a great discovery that could change the face of the planet towards peace
with an expansion of religion, wider and deeper! This is the testimony or the
Ark of the testament.
Also note
quote:
Thou shalt travel
the Seven Paths Of the Infinite Garden,
and The paths are seven Through the Infinite Garden,
The Paths are Seven,
Traveling through Seven Paths of the infinite garden and through the infinite
garden. The paths are Seven built Sevens.
You know this could be the great confirmation of the paths that will lead to
success as we go through the abyss, like the examination attached to the
discovery and journey.
Sorry for the diversion but the thread of thought led that way!
Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:05 am
and the gates also confirmed in
Quote:
Isaiah 62:10
Go through, go through the gates;prepare ye the way of the people; cast
up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones;lift up an ensign for the
peoples.
Go through the gates, the way of the off the people(All People)Lay an
expedition there and a physical pathway to the City of truth! And fly flag
of Paradise as being the beacon of the walls of Salvation. I believe this
scripture is fulfilled to by the construction of the Seven Gates to the City
of first civilization and of the Sons of God built by them.
This is where the unfinished business lays and passing through the gates of
the prophets of truth and living by the truth will lead to success as we
pass through the abyss of judgment. I believe this is the physical sign
prepared by the Most High and it serves no prejudice towards any religion. I
would say this is access for all no matter who, I believe this construct is
designed to filter all no matter whether he is a Christian or even a
unbeliever. The research and all the documented truth can be utilized by all
in there own home in there own privacy as this is between the individual and
the Father in the Heaven, a personal thing.
Also the gathering of the stones to me is a direct reference to the quest of
the Seven commands, the Seven commands lay in the waters and could be in
this city, The confirmation of the City and discovery of the Seven commands
would provide the confirmation of the Ensign of Paradise and a clear sign to
the people.
So lets do what Isaiah and the Lord in heaven is telling us lets go through
the gates and go out there and gather the seven commands inscribed on Stone
Slabs and make universal history that will be recorded in the annals of
Paradise forever and ever and it will be known.
In the images, I believe are the stone slabs that contain the Seven commands
somewhere.
They are huge stone slabs and I feel the inscriptions must be huge,
hopefully! or maybe the stone slabs are similar to the stone slabs in the
abodes of our kind in the System Capitals where the stone slabs there
contain a record of our history since we became sentient.
Similar to Dalamatia. Maybe these stones slabs contained a record of the
history of Dalamatia for the whole time of its existence including the
record of the rebellion and the inscriptions of the Seven commands.
We know through the UB the Dalamatia alphabet contained 24 characters and
was similar to the Aryan language. That's the only clue, this first writing
system was lost to the world.
Maybe there is so much there that you could never imagine. What maybe found
there may very well be a real shock to the world, there could be a real
cache of knowledge there that's pre150,000 years ago and has a record of the
history of the whole city and its people before the first default!
However the Library of Fad was destroyed and there still could be fragments
locked in the silt from the result of the tidal wave that destroyed the
library. So many artifacts could lay under the silt of these places
We have to go there its of Planetary concern for the truth!
Just imagine that!
Sevens
Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:27 am
And this is the admonition by the Lord
Pearl Fifteen, St Ephriam Syriac priest 300AD,
1. Your garments glisten, my brethren, as snow;-and fair is your shining in
the likeness of Angels!
2. In the likeness of Angels, ye have come up, beloved,-from Jordan's river,
in the armour of the Holy Ghost.
3. The bridal chamber that fails not, my brethren, ye have received:-and the
glory of Adam's house to-day ye have put on. 4. The judgment that came of the fruit, was Adam's condemnation:-but
for you victory, has arisen this day.
5. Your vesture is shining, and goodly your crowns:-which the Firstborn has
bound for you, by the priest's hand this day. 6. Woe in Paradise, did Adam receive:-but you have received, glory
this day.
7. The armour of victory, ye put on, my beloved:-in the hour when the priest,
invoked the Holy Ghost.
8. The Angels rejoice, men here below exult:-in your feast, my brethren,
wherein is no foulness.
9. The good things of Heaven, my brethren, ye have received:-beware of the
Evil One, lest he despoil you. 10. The day
when He dawned, the Heavenly King:-opens for you His door, and
bids you enter Eden. 11. Crowns that fade not away, are set on your heads:-hymns of praise
hourly, let your mouths sing.
12. Adam by means of the fruit, God cast forth in sorrow:-but you He makes
glad, in the bride-chamber of joy.
13. Who would not rejoice, in your bridechamber, my brethren?-for the Father
with His Son, and the Spirit rejoice in you.
14. Unto you shall the Father, be a wall of strength:-and the Son a Redeemer,
and the Spirit a guard.
15. Martyrs by their blood, glorify their crowns:-but you our Redeemer, by His
Blood glorifies.
16. Watchers and Angels, joy over the repentant:-they shall joy over you my
brethren, that unto them ye are made like.
17. The fruit which Adam, tasted not in Paradise:-this day in your mouths, has
been placed with joy.
18. Our Redeemer figured, His Body by the tree:-whereof Adam tasted not,
because he had sinned.
19. The Evil One made war, and subdued Adam's house:-through your baptism, my
brethren, lo! he is subdued this day. 20. Great is the victory, but to-day you have won:-if so be ye neglect
not, you shall not perish, my brethren.
21. Glory to them that are robed, glory to Adam's house!-in the birth that is
from the water, let them rejoice and be blessed!
22. Praise to Him Who has robed, His Churches in glory!-glory to Him Who has
magnified, the race of Adam's house.
What a blessing St Ephraim is, right on yea! What a beautiful priest and a
good man!
10. The day when He dawned, the Heavenly King:-opens
for you His door,
and bids you enter Eden.
This a complete reflection and confirmation of the message of this journey and
points directly to the ancient places including 1stEden.
the Essene Papaers
Sevens
posted
12-18-2007 08:30 PM
quote:
Hi Julia
All the information of the Andites can be found here
Ive been attempting to follow the traces they left behind in the research and
Ive been very happy.
Sevens
Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:40 am
Wisdom of Jesus
Quote:
12 and so was Jeshua the son of
Jozadak; in their days they built the house and raised a temple holy to the
Lord,
prepared for everlasting glory.
13 The memory of Nehemiah also is lasting; he
raised for us
the walls that had fallen, and
set up the gates and bars
and rebuilt our ruined houses.
(excatly) 14 No one like Enoch has been created on earth, for he was taken up
from the earth.
15 And no man like Joseph has been born, and his bones are cared for.
16 Shem and Seth were honored among men, and Adam above every living being
in the creation.
Another reflection and in Metaphor of the setting
up of the Seven Gates and restoration of the first temple in Dalamatia City.
and this from Isaiah
Quote:
The Commission to Cyrus
45
Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden,
to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings,
to open before him
the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; 2 I will go before
thee, and make the
crooked places straight:
I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder
the bars of iron: 3
And I will give thee the treasures of
darkness, and hidden riches of secret places,
that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call
thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and
Israel mine elect, I have even called thee
by thy name: I have
surnamed thee, though thou hast not known
me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded
thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there
is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
Just Beautiful
Sevens
Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:13 am
And since we are speaking about gates.
Look at this fragment in Enoch regarding the Gates
Quote:
Of how Enoch saw the key -holders and guards
of the gates of hell standing.
42 1 And I saw
the guardians of the keys
of hell standing over against the gates like
great serpents, their faces like lamps that are gone out, their eyes like
darkened flames, and their teeth naked down to their breasts.
2 And I spake to their faces:
'I had better not have seen you, and may none of my tribe
come to you.' Enoch's ascent into the paradise of the righteous.
3 And I saw there a blessed place,and all blessed creatures and all there living in
joy and in infinite happiness in eternal life,
6 Then I spake: 'My children, and now I speak to you: Blessed is he who
fears God and serves him. And you, my children, learn to bring gifts
7 to the Lord, that you may enjoy life. Blessed is 9 he who judges a
judgement justly to the widow and orphan, and helps every one that is
wronged,
8 clothing the naked with garments, and to the hungry giving bread.
10 Blessed is he who turns back from the changeable path and
walks along the straight path. 11 Blessed is he who sows the seeds of
righteousness, for he shall reap
sevenfold. 12 Blessed is he in whom is truth, that he may
speak truth to his neighbour.
13 Blessed is he in whose mouth is mercy and gentleness. 14 Blessed is he who understands the Lord's works
and glorifies the Lord God and I saw all the Lord's works, how they are
right, while the works of man are some good, and others bad, and in
their works are known those who lie evilly.
Sevens
Hear ye now of he who is liberated,
freed from the bondage of life into Light.
Knowing the source of all worlds shall be open.
Aye, even the Gates of Arulu shall not be
barred.
Yet heed, O man, who would'st enter heaven.
If ye be not worthy,
better it be to fall into the fire.
Know ye the celestials pass through the pure flame.
At every revolution of the heavens,
they bathe in the fountains of Light.
sevens
Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:54 am
Quote:
"As the Abysses boil above the
foundations of the waters, their towering waves and billows shall rage with
the voice of their roaring; and as they rage, Sheol and Abaddon
shall open and all the flying arrows of the Pit shall send out their voice
to the Abyss.
And the gates of Sheol shall open on all the works of vanity and the doors
of the Pit shall close on the conceivers of wickedness..... The
torrents of Belial shall break into Abaddon, and the deeps of the Abyss
shall groan amid the roar of the heaving mud.... The heavenly hosts
shall cry out and the world's foundations shall swagger and sway....
The deeps resound to my groaning
and my soul has journeyed to the gates of death.
(1QH 11:16-19, 32-35)
and a piece out of the Quran in relation to the Seven gates.
SHAKIR: It has seven gates; for every gate there shall be a
separate party of them.
SHAKIR: Surely those who guard (against evil) shall be in the midst of
gardens and fountains:
YUSUFALI: (Their greeting will be): "Enter ye here in peace and security."
and another piece in Metaphor to
this time and the opening of the Seven Gates and paths to Dalamatia City
Book of Jubilees.
Quote:
24
And the Lord opened seven
flood-gates of heaven, And the mouths of the
fountains of the great deep,
seven mouths in
number. 25 And the flood-gates began to pour down water
from the heaven forty days and forty nights,
And the fountains of the deep also sent up waters, until the whole world was
full of water.
26 And the waters increased upon the earth: Fifteen cubits did the waters rise
above all the high mountains, And the ark was lift up above the earth,
And it moved upon the face of the waters.
This is the month which brings all
manner of joy; it is the freedom of the bondsmen, the pride of the free,
the crown
of the gates, the soothing of the body, that also
in its love put purple upon us as upon kings.
This is the month that brings all manner of victories; it frees the
spirit; it subdues the body; it brings forth life among mortals; it caused, in
its love, Godhead, to dwell in Manhood.
The Lost City
