Tablet 18

The Targum from the Beginnings and Facebook timeline

 

Post Re: Hezbollah sparks a war in Lebanon Mon May 12, 2008 7:56 am

Hey Geo,

No worries. See what pans out! But I feel if these groups dont back from war it will be a fruitless experience at the end of the day.

Regarding Iran I know what you mean it seems to be heading that way.

Im hoping that what I propose in my journey will be test of truth and will be verified. If verified this will clearly present the truth from a Universal Government point if view.

That's why I believe its very important that Dalamatia City is verified.

Failing verification least we had a good go!

Anyway, If this can be verified and brings in change, maybe the attitude may alter for the better. The journey offers challenge for all parties!

That's what Im hoping where truth is in the face of all. I get the impression that terrorist groups are losing ground as the truth doesn't support them, well from what Ive seen in the books. They would be better of disbanding and rebuild civilisation at home and embark on the journey of truth where the bronze is replaced with Gold, New for Old.

Really that would be my best advise for them! Turn back from war!

All the best
Sevens


Post Thousands flee as Quake hits China Mon May 12, 2008 8:28 am

Another sign of the end times??

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM ... Z41jUoz0Ng

 

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Thousands flee as Quake hits China
5 minutes ago

Thousands of people were evacuated from buildings as an earthquake measuring 7.5 on the Richter scale struck western China.

The tremor was felt as far away as Thailand and Vietnam.

The earthquake struck 57 miles north-west of the Sichuan provincial capital of Chengdu at 2.28 pm (0628 GMT), the US Geological Survey said on its website. It said the quake was centred 6.2 miles below the surface.

An eyewitness in Chengdu, reached by phone, said people flooded from buildings, but there was no immediate sign of damage or injuries.

The quake was centred on the eastern edge of the Tibetan plateau, where mountains rise sharply and the population density is generally thin.

In the Chinese capital, Beijing, about 930 miles away, buildings swayed for more than two minutes but there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.

Thousands of frightened office workers and shoppers fled buildings, including offices of the organising committee for the Beijing Olympics. People lingered outside buildings in the central business district even 30 minutes after the shaking stopped.

A magnitude 7.5 earthquake is considered a major event, capable of causing widespread damage and injuries in populated areas.

In the Taiwanese capital of Taipei, 100 miles off the south-eastern Chinese coast, buildings swayed when the quake hit. There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage.

The quake was felt as far away as the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi, where some people hurried out of swaying office buildings and into the streets. A building in the Thai capital of Bangkok was also evacuated after the quake was felt there.



Tornados in the USA? sounds like a concentration of events.
 


Brig! Its not worth it

Its a real waste of time speaking with you.

I raised 2 points regarding the era and the time relating to the roofless circle temples and the scientific view on the age of Cardiz and no one even tried to discuss it. So therefore, I feel Cardiz as atlantis is flawed!

seven
 


http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ps/ps091.htm

Icon 1 posted 05-12-2008 04:12 AM

I just found this browsing the Seventh Mystery on the web.

I think below chapter is a complete description of the Journey to the ancient places. I believe it related to this journey.

I just found this.

I am amazed and I think its an excellent confirmation.

 

quote:



PISTIS SOPHIA
tr. by G.R.S. Mead
[1921]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ps/ps091.htm

This is G.R.S. Mead's translation of
the Pistis Sophia, the most extensive Gnostic scripture available until the discovery of Nag Hammadi texts in 1945.


Any way I found this fragment from a Seventh Mystery keyword search.

 

quote:


CHAPTER 86
And Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "Finely indeed dost thou question concerning all with precision and certainty. But hearken, Mary, that
I may speak with thee about the consummation of the æon and the ascension of the universe. It will not yet take place; but I have said unto you: 'If I lead you into the region of the inheritances of those who shall receive the mystery of the Light, |189. then will the Treasury of the Light, the region of the emanations, count for you as a speck of dust only and as the light of the sun by day.'

"I have therefore said: 'This will take place

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Of the twelve saviours and their regions in the Inheritance.at the time of the consummation [and] of the ascension of the universe.'
The twelve saviours of the Treasury and the twelve orders of every one of them, which are the emanations of the seven Voices and of the five Trees, they will be with me in the region of the inheritances of the Light; being kings with me in my kingdom, and every one of them being king over his emanations, and moreover every one of them being king according to his glory, the great according to his greatness and the little according to his littleness.

"And the saviour of the emanations of the first Voice will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the first mystery of the First Mystery in my kingdom.

"And the saviour of the emanations of the second Voice will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the second mystery of the First Mystery.

"In like manner also will the saviour of the emanations of the third Voice be in the region of the souls of those who have received the third mystery of the First Mystery in the E inheritances of the Light.

"And the saviour of the emanations of the fourth Voice of the Treasury of the Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the fourth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

"And the fifth saviour of the fifth Voice of the Treasury of the Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the fifth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

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"And the sixth saviour of the emanations of the sixth Voice of the Treasury of the Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the sixth mystery of the First Mystery.

"And the seventh saviour of the emanations of the seventh Voice of the Treasury of the Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the seventh mystery of the First Mystery in the Treasury [sic] of the Light.

"And the eighth saviour, that is the saviour of the emanations of the first Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the I eighth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.


"And the ninth saviour, that is the saviour of the emanations of the second Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the ninth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

"And the tenth saviour, that is the saviour of the emanations of the third Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the tenth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

"In like manner also the eleventh saviour, that is the saviour of the fourth Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the eleventh mystery of
the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

"And the twelfth saviour, that is the saviour of the emanations of the fifth Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the twelfth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

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Of the ascension of those of the Treasury into the Inheritance." And the seven |192. Amēns and the five Trees and the three Amēns will be on my right, being kings in the inheritances of the Light. And the Twin-saviours, that is the Child of the Child, and the nine guards will bide also at my left, being kings in the inheritances of the Light.

"And the nine guards of the Treasury of the Light will be superior to the saviours in the inheritances of the Light. Of their respective ranks in the kingdom."And every one of the saviours will rule over the orders of his emanations in the inheritances of the Light as they did also in the Treasury of the Light.


"And the nine guards of the Treasury of the Light will be superior to the saviours in the inheritances of the Light. And the Twin-saviours will be superior to the nine guards in the kingdom. And the three Amēns will be superior to the Twin-saviours in the kingdom. And the five Trees will be superior to the three Amēns in the inheritances of the Light.

Of the powers of the Right, and their emanation and ascension
."And Yew and the guard of the veil of the Great Light, and the receiver of Light and the two great guides and the great Sabaōth, the Good, will be kings in the first saviour of the first Voice of the Treasury of the Light, [the saviour] who will be in |193. the region of those who have received the first mystery of the First Mystery. For in sooth Yew and the guard of the region of those of the Right and Melchisedec, the great receiver of the Light, and the two great guides have come forth out of the purified and utterly pure light of the first Tree up to the fifth.

"Yew in sooth is the overseer of the Light, who hath come forth first out of the pure light of the first Tree; on the other hand the guard of the veil of those of the Right hath come forth out of the second Tree; and the two guides again

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have come forth out of the pure and utterly purified light of the third and fourth Trees of the Treasury of the Light;
Melchisedec again hath come forth out of the fifth Tree ; on the other hand Sabaōth, the Good, whom I have called my father, hath come forth out of Yew, the overseer of the Light.


Of the powers of the Midst and their ascension
."And the Virgin of Light and the great guide of the Midst, whom the rulers of the æons are wont to call the Great Yew after the name of a great ruler who is in their region ,--he and the Virgin of Light and his twelve ministers, from whom ye have received your shape and from whom ye have received the power, they all will be kings with the first saviour of the first Voice in the region of the souls of those who will receive the first mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.

"And the fifteen helpers of
the seven virgins of the Light who are in the Midst, they will expand themselves in the regions of the twelve saviours,

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and the rest of the angels of the Midst, every one of them according to his glory, will rule with me in the inheritances of the Light. And I shall rule over them all in the inheritances of the Light.

But this shall not take place
till the consummation of the æon ."All this then which I have said unto you, will not take place at this time, but it will take place at the consummation of the æon, that is at the ascension of the universe; that is at the dissolution of the universe and at the total ascension of the numbering |195. of the perfect souls of the inheritances of the Light.

"Before the consummation, therefore, this which I have said unto you, will not take place, but every one will be in his own region, into which he hath been set from the beginning, until the numbering of the ingathering of the perfect souls is completed.

"The seven Voices and the five Trees and the three Amēns and the Twin-saviours and the nine guards and the twelve saviours and those of the region of the Right and those of the region of the Midst, [/B] , until the numbering of the [B]perfect souls of the inheritances of the Light shall be raised up all together.

"And also all the rulers who have repented, they also will abide in the region into which they have been set, until the numbering of the souls of the Light shall be raised up all together.

Of the ascension of the souls of the perfect."[The souls]
will all come, every one at the time when he will receive the mysteries; and all the rulers who have repented, will pass through and come into the region of the Midst. seals of their mysteries. And they will pass through those of all the regions of the Midst, and they will pass through the region of the Right and the interior of the region of the nine guards and the interior of the region of the Twin-saviours and the interior of the region of the And those of the Midst will baptize them and give unto them the spiritual unction and seal them with the

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three |196. Amens and of the twelve saviours and the interior of the five Trees and of
the seven Voices. Every one giveth unto them his seal of his mystery, and they pass into the interior of them all and go to the region of the inheritances of the Light; and every one bideth in the region up to which he hath received mysteries in the inheritances of the Light.
Of the rank of the souls of the perfect."In a word, all the souls of men who shall receive the mysteries of the Light, will precede all the rulers who have repented, and they will precede all those of the region of the Midst and those of the whole region of the Right, and they will precede those of the whole region of the Treasury of the Light.
In a word, they will precede all those of the region [of the Treasury], and they will precede all those of the regions of the first Commandment, and they will pass into the interior of them all and go into the Inheritance of the Light up to the region of their mystery; and every one abideth in the region up to which he hath received mysteries. And those of the region of the Midst and of the Right and those of the whole region of the Treasury, every one abideth in the region of the order into which he hath been set from the beginning on, until the universe shall be raised up. And every one of them accomplisheth his economy to which he hath been set, in respect of the ingathering of the souls who
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have received the mysteries, in respect of this economy, so that they may seal |197. all the souls who will receive the mysteries and who will pass through their interior towards the Inheritance of the Light.


"Now, therefore, Mary, this is the word concerning which thou dost question me with precision and certainty.
For the rest now then, who hath ears to hear, let him hear."
 


Incredible find I am so impressed and everything seem reflected. Its all about this journey.

However, it seems quite different to the Bible but there may be many clues to the end times in this book. I thought chapter 86 was totally interesting and relevant to this journey.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/ps.pdf

PISTIS SOPHIA
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ps/index.htm

Here are some more fragments in the book looking at the keyword mysteries.

 

quote:


"For this cause therefore, have I said unto you aforetime: 'He who doth not abandon
father and mother and come and follow after me, is not worthy of me.' I have, therefore,
said
at that time : Ye are to abandon your parents the rulers, that I may make you sons of the First Mystery for ever."


Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistis_Sophia

 

quote:


Pistis Sophia includes quotes from five of the Odes of Solomon, found in chapters between 58 and 71. Pistis Sophia was the only known source for the actual wording of any of the Odes until the discovery of a nearly-complete Syriac text of the Odes in 1909. Because the first part of this text is missing, Pistis Sophia is still the only source for Ode 1.


There are 727 occurrences of the word "Mystery"

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-12-2008 05:12

Another interesting fragment.

 

quote:


"And he who shall receive in sequence the twelfth mystery of the First Mystery , that is the master-mystery concerning which I discourse with you,--|236. and he who, therefore, shall receive those twelve mysteries which belong to the First Mystery, if he goeth forth out of the world, will pass through all the regions of the rulers and all the regions of the , being a great light-stream, and he will moreover rule over all the regions of the twelve saviours; but they will not be able to be like unto those who receive the one and only mystery of the Ineffable . But he who shall receive those mysteries will abide in those orders, because they are exalted, and he will abide in the orders of the twelve saviours."


and another piece

 

quote:


CHAPTER 71
It came to pass then, when the First Mystery had finished saying these words, that

Matthew came forward and said: "I have understood the solution of the song which Pistis
Sophia hath uttered. Now, therefore, give commandment unto me, that I speak it in
openness."

And the First Mystery answered and said: "I give commandment unto thee, Matthew, to
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set forth the interpretation of the song which Pistis Sophia hath uttered."

And Matthew answered and said: "Concerning the interpretation of the song which Pistis
Sophia hath uttered,
thus thy light-power prophesied aforetime thereon through the Ode
Matthew interpreteth the song of Sophia from the Odes of Solomon. "
'1. He who hath led me down
"'2. Who hath there taken those in the midst, he hath taught me concerning them.

"'3. Who hath scattered my foes and my adversaries, he hath bestowed power on me over
the bonds, to unloose them.

"'4. Who hath smitten the serpent with the seven heads with my hands, he hath set me up
above its root, that I may extinguish its seed.

"'5. And thou wert with me, helping me; in all regions thy name surrounded me.

"'6. Thy right hand hath destroyed the venom of the slanderer; thy hand hath cleared the
way for thy faithful.

"'7. Thou hast freed them out of the tombs and hast removed them from the midst of the
corpses.

"'8. Thou hast taken dead bones and hast clothed them with a body and to them who
stirred not, hast thou given the activity of life.

"'9. Thy way is become indestructibleness and thy face [also].

"'10. Thou hast led thy æon above decay, so that they all may be loosed and renewed and
thy light become a foundation for them all.

"'11. Thou hast piled thy riches upon them and they have become a holy dwelling-place.'

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"This then, my Lord, is the solution of the song which Pistis Sophia hath uttered.

"The word which thy power hath spoken through Solomon: 'Who hath led me down out
of the higher regions which are above, he hath also led me up out of the regions which
are in the bottom below,'--it is the |157. word which Pistis Sophia hath spoken: 'I sing
praises unto thee; through thy commandment hast thou led me down out of this higher
æon which is above, and hast led me to the regions below. And again through thy
commandment thou hast saved me and led me up out of the regions which are below.'

"And moreover the word which thy power hath
spoken through Solomon: 'Who hath
scattered my foes and my adversaries,'
--it is the word which Pistis Sophia hath spoken:
'Thou hast scattered far from me all the emanations of Self-willed which constrained me
and were hostile to me.'


Interesting about the identification of the Odes of Solomon in the path of this journey and how the whole of the Odes of Solomon is a reflection of this journey in my view as previously mentioned and then to find the above Solomon and his relevance to the First Mystery which would be about the first City Dalamatia City, the City of the First Epoch.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-12-2008 05:43 AM

And here is Chapter 98 of Jesus explaining the mysteries which in my reflects the journey to the ancient places.

 

quote:


CHAPTER 98
Mary again questioneth Jesus. It came to pass, when Jesus had finished speaking these words
unto his disciples, that Mary Magdalene came forward, kissed the feet of Jesus and said
unto him: "My Lord, bear with me and be not wroth with me, if I question thee; but have
mercy upon us, my Lord, and reveal unto us all things on which we shall question thee.

Now, therefore, my Lord, how doth the First Mystery possess twelve mysteries, [and] the
Ineffable possess a one and only mystery?"


Of the three mysteries and five mysteries. Jesus answered and said unto her: "Indeed it
possesseth a one and only mystery, yet that mystery constituteth three mysteries, although

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it is the one and only mystery; but the type of every one of them is different. And
moreover it constituteth five mysteries, although it is a one and only [one]; but the type of
every one is different.

So that these five mysteries are alike with one another in the mystery |237. of the kingdom in the inheritances of the Light; but the type of each of them is different.


And their kingdom is higher and more exalted than the whole kingdom of the twelve mysteries together of the First Mystery; but they are not alike in the kingdom [with the one and only mystery] of the First Mystery in the Light-kingdom.

"In like manner also the three mysteries are not [?] alike in the Light-kingdom; but the type of every one of them is different. And they themselves also are not alike in the
kingdom with the one and only mystery of the First Mystery in the Light-kingdom; and
the type of every one of the three of them, and the type of the configuration of each of
them, is different from one another.

Of the first mystery. "The first [mystery of the First Mystery],--if thou accomplishest its
mystery altogether and standest and accomplishest it finely in all its figures, then dost
thou come straightway out of thy body, become a great light-stream and pass through all
the regions of the rulers and all the regions of the Light, while all are in fear of that soul,
until it cometh to the region of its kingdom.
Of the second mystery. "The second mystery of the First Mystery, on the other hand,--|238. if
thou accomplishest it finely in all its figures,--the man, therefore, who shall accomplish
its mystery, if he speaketh that


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mystery over the head of any man who goeth forth out of the body, and he speaketh it into his two ears, if indeed the man who goeth forth out of the body hath received mysteries for the second time and is sharing in the word of truth,--amēn, I say unto you:
That man, if he goeth forth out of the body of matter, then will his soul become a great light-stream "But if that man hath received no mysteries and is not sharing in the words of truth, -- if he who accomplisheth that mystery, speaketh that mystery over the head of a man who cometh forth out of the body and who hath received no mysteries of the Light, and shareth not in the words of truth,--amēn,

I say unto you: That man, if he cometh forth out of the body, will be judged in no region of the rulers, nor can he be chastized in any region at all, nor will the fire touch him, because of the
great mystery of the Ineffable which is with him.

"And they will hasten quickly and hand him over one to another in turn and lead him from region to region and |239. from order to order, until they bring him before the Virgin of Light,

"And if they bring him before the Virgin of Light,
then the Virgin of Light will see the
sign of the mystery of the kingdom of the Ineffable which is with him; the Virgin of
Light marvelleth and proveth him,
but suffereth them not to bring him to the Light, until he accomplisheth the total


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citizenship of the light of that mystery, that is the purities of the renunciation of the world
and also of the total matter therein.
"The Virgin of Light sealeth him with a higher seal, which is this [ . . .? ], and letteth him in that month in which he hath come out of the body of matter, light down into a body which will be righteous and find the godhead in truth and the higher mysteries, so that he may inherit them and inherit the Light eternal, which is the gift of the second mystery of the First Mystery of the Ineffable.

Of the third mystery. "The third mystery of that Ineffable on the other hand,--the man indeed
who shall accomplish that mystery, not only if he [himself] cometh forth out of the body, will he inherit the kingdom of the mystery, but if he complete that mystery and accomplish it with |240. all its figures, that is if he go through with that mystery and accomplish it finely and pronounce the name of that mystery Of its efficacy. over a man who cometh forth out of the body and hath known that mystery,--let the former have delayed

or rather not have delayed,--one who is in the dire chastisements of the rulers and in their
dire judgments and their manifold fires,--amēn, I say unto you: The man who hath come forth out of the body,--if the name of this mystery is pronounced on his behalf, they will hasten quickly to bring him over and hand him over one to another, until they bring him before the Virgin of Light. And the Virgin of Light will seal him with a higher. seal, which is this [ . . .?], and in that month will she let him light down into the righteous body which will find the godhead in truth and the higher mystery, so that

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he inherit the Light-kingdom. This, therefore, is the gift of the third mystery of the Ineffable.


 


There is more here is the link.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/ps.pdf

That was fascinating and I am convinced its about this journey to the ancient places and all the locations of the ages and the mysteries that surround location.

This journey has the right construct that fulfills the above.

Sevens



Icon 1
posted 05-12-2008 06:00 AM

Another fragment

 

quote:


Of the mysteries of the three spaces "He on the other hand who receiveth the one and only
mystery of the Ineffable, will inherit the region of the whole kingdom according to its
whole glory, as I have already told you at another time.
And every one who shall receive
the mystery which is in the space of the universe of the Ineffable, and all the other
mysteries which are united in the Limbs of the Ineffable, concerning which I have not yet
spoken unto you, and concerning their expansion and the manner of their setting-up and
the type of every one, how it is and wherefor it is named the Ineffable or wherefor it
standeth expanded with all its


There is more here in the link.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/ps.pdf

 

and this

 

quote:


CHAPTER 135
Mary answered and said unto the Saviour: "My Lord, before thou didst come to the region of the rulers and before thou didst come down into the world, hath no soul entered into the Light?"

No soul had entered into the Light before the coming of the First Mystery. The Saviour answered and said unto Mary: "Amēn, amēn, I say unto you Before I did come into the world, no soul hath entered into the Light. And now, therefore, when I am come, I have opened the gates of the Light and opened the ways which lead to the Light. And now, therefore, let him who shall do what is worthy of the mysteries, receive the mysteries and enter into the Light."


and this

 

quote:


Of the prophets. The Saviour continued and said unto Mary: "Amēn, amēn, I say unto you: No prophet hath entered into the Light; but the rulers of the æons have discoursed with them out of the æons and given them the mystery of the æons. And when I came to the regions of the æons, I have turned Elias and sent him into the body of John the Baptizer, and the rest also I turned into righteous bodies, which will find the mysteries |356. of the Light, go on high and inherit the Light-kingdom.


Incredible find and all consistant

another

 

quote:


Of the functions of Zeus, the chief regent. "And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere, so that they might not wreck it [the world] in their wickedness. He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the little Sabaōth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he is a good [regent], so that he may steer them in his goodness. And he set thus established the circling of his order, |362. that he should spend thirteen [? three] months in every æon


Is this fragment of the above a reflection to Sevens maybe, in this journey to the ancient places, the little Sevens or little Saboath.

However Sabaoth means

Hosts.
The Lord of Sabaoth was a title of Jehovah; the hosts were the armies of Israel.

And Sabboth is a Seven.

And note: " And he set thus established the circling of his order" The symbol that connect all the places are the co planar circles and the triangle/circle symbol and the Melchizedek symbol, the concentric circles are attached. Its a match.

 

quote:


He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the little Sabaōth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he is a good [regent],


and this reflects the time period generally between the discovery of each place in the mystery of the former ages and Epochs, every place is a mystery unto itself in the great mystery. Each place is different but yet linked to each other in symbolism.

All makes sense the whole book regarding the last mystery.

Sabaoth linked to Seven
http://sinai.critter.net/entry.cgi?edit=293

 

quote:


In the legend of the Sabaoth Seven, a young Sabaoth quested in the Nether Realms in order to prove himself, and faced seven demons, each of whom was a combination of Eeee and some dumb beast indigenous to the lands of Ashdod.


Im sure Saboath in this case of the journey to the ancient places points to Sevens.

http://www.angelsuniverse.com/elohimscholars.htm

 

quote:


Just as the "Lord God of Sabaoth" would stand for the "Lord God of the Seven" ( Sabaoth means "seven" ); and as Adonai was also used to designate the whole ...


http://www.jstor.org/pss/3693693

http://www.preceptaustin.org/jehovah_sabaoth_-_lord_of_hosts.htm

sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-12-2008 04:16 PM


Well I dont know if any one spends the time to research this thread of truth.

But I feel the mystery is coming to an very interesting junction as I am finding great confirmation in the journey.

Everyone has to make up there mind I but in the above posts was just a quick glance at the scripture but what I have found contains everything and confirms all the various posts and what was written in the beforehand using the fragments of the books in parallel to the journey to the first places.

There is no other thing like this journey on the planet and a journey like this cannot be replicated or created by man.

It is very important that we go and verify Dalamatia City ASAP and all rulers be it government or religion should be aware and come on the journey! and test out the truth of the matter plus I think the journey would be revitalizing and very exciting and should uplift man and bring about brotherhood.

But it has to go through verification.

The above information confirming this journey would have to be one of the biggest confirmations and just imagine this mystery was hidden in the sands of Egypt until now with understanding being on the actual journey of the Seventh Mystery. Self realizing on the run through discovery in the moment and broadcast worldwide through the net.

Me personally, I praise the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise for leading me on this great journey.

If you average the 5 places where Discovery of Atlantis began in 2003 with the book when a year later it was Discovered to now. Its is close to 5 years where and close to an average of 13 months. Equally spaced, equally spaced in the discovery has occurred to me before and I even have diagram of the equally spaced discoveries.

web page

Even some of those texts in the image I used while building the image is found in the above book. However my last input to the image was last October where I did have some expectation but I can see now there was more to discover.

Incredible find! Im sure we are in the last days of the Seventh Mystery!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 03:18 AM

I reckon the light wave is the truth or the stream of truth.

I am to puzzled by the repetitiveness to, the mystery was probably very important including consummation.

Well the only mystery I can think of is about all the ancient places and each place has its own truth which in a way is like a mystery in the story...I suppose! But there is the Master mystery which encompasses all of the mysteries which are connected to each other in truth and seen in the symbols. They would have to form a oneness in truth and in verification.

Unless there is more to reveal! I think the Seventh mystery points to the lost cities and the journey where there is a mystery of being seen in beforehand and documented and found written in the books at a later time down the track.

This occurred again in finding this book.

Its the Father setting up for total and complete success in the journey. He is setting us up through a mystery of the journey by him leading us through the books and documenting, it only to find it written about in a book never seen before.

I think its the most positive and loving set up ever!

see what happens eh! but I do have all faith!

I reckon the Seventh mystery has to be revelatory and would have reveal all that is hidden which does in this case of the ancient cities in ancient times past.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 03:46 AM

Hey Wireless

I was looking at this fragment

quote:


Of the functions of Zeus, the chief regent. "And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere, so that they might not wreck it [the world] in their wickedness. He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the little Sabaoth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he is a good [regent], so that he may steer them in his goodness. And he set thus established the circling of his order, |362. that he should spend thirteen [? three] months in every æon.


I had to have laugh at this one

quote:


needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere, so that they might not wreck it [the world] in their wickedness.


so that they might not wreck it the planet I reckon. Well that's so true because we are on the verge of simply wrecking this planet!

I must say I have had flashes on the image of Jesus pointing the way to the helmsman.

I even used the image in metaphor of this journey in a letter to the Catholic church only to find it mentioned in the PISTIS SOPHIA just found.  When I read that I immediately thought of the image.

Sevens


Hey Wireless

I was looking at this fragment

 

quote:


Of the functions of Zeus, the chief regent. "And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere, so that they might not wreck it [the world] in their wickedness. He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the little Sabaoth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he is a good [regent], so that he may steer them in his goodness. And he set thus established the circling of his order, |362. that he should spend thirteen [? three] months in every æon.


I had to have laugh at this one

quote:


needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere, so that they might not wreck it [the world] in their wickedness.


so that they might not wreck it the planet I reckon. Well thats so true because we are on the verge of simply wrecking this planet!

"needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere" I even used the image in metaphor of this journey in a letter to the Catholic church only to find it mentioned in the PISTIS SOPHIA just found. When I read that I immediately thought of the image.

""And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world and the æons of the sphere," I believe this to be the case in that the whole Aeon is behind this journey to the places!

It was a good thing to document everything on the run as a living record in a living journey. It was the right thing to do, to bound it to the Father in heaven and honoring the Father, Jesus and the whole crew during the journey and to reflect the teamwork where we all have our role in the path. This path I believe was the right path for the journey to the great mystery and it came forth naturally.

 

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 05:03 AM

Yeah why cant Atlantis be on Mars

ahahaha Give one good reason why not eh!

Also Georgeous hasn't proven a single except that his finds belong to known history and Stonehenge and including the stone anomalies in Southern Spain and Spain is reflective of the latter stone age culture, the circular temples and stone monuments being areas of Moon or Sun worship.

Really speaking its all about religion.

Prove me wrong on this point!

Im really happy of Georgeous as he is proving this but I dont agree with his notions of Spain as Atlantis.

About 1stEden, there has been 2 expeditions and the stone wall as written about has been located and verified. Mind you the source information was the Urantia Book everything associated came later. All we have to do is prove the anomalies as seen in the first expedition and the 3 co planar circles as best as possible and that will mean a third expedition.

Dalamatia City also comes from the Urantia Book and we have to go there and verify it.

Lets go out there and prove the city as seen in worldwind.

If I prove Dalamatia City through an expedition then The Urantia Book is an authentic document with facts that can be proven as we have done already and will continue to do so.

by the way I have ask if Georgeous could post one image and never does. Even one image on Jean and the anomalies and never.

What's wrong with that eh! what's your excuse for that.

he mustn't have any.
sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 05:52 AM

I feel that the following fragment from the PISTIS SOPHIA is a direct reference to Dalamatia, the first City. Where the first default occured by a majority of the Sons of God and indentifying the Seventh Mystery.

 

quote:


"And that mystery knoweth wherefor the first Commandment hath rent itself asunder and wherefor it hath divided itself into the seven mysteries and wherefor it is named the first Commandment and wherefor it hath come forth from the Fatherless.


I believe this is the fragment pointing to Dalamatia City "And that mystery knoweth wherefor the first Commandment hath rent itself asunder"

From that time forth the Seventh Mystery was created following the path to various coties along the journey guided by a new book from Heaven."
wherefor it hath divided itself into the seven mysteries"

I believe that the Seventh Mystery is this:
"wherefor it is named the first Commandment and wherefor it hath come forth from the Fatherless" Essentially its the journey identifying where the first city is and where the first default occurred and from there we follow the path of the Seventh mystery to the other cites including there story.

 

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/ps.pdf

and

quote:


"'13. And his soul will abide in the regions of the Light and his power will inherit |79. the Treasury of the Light.

"'14. The Light giveth power to them who
p. 66
have faith in it; and the name of its mystery belongeth to those who trust in it. And it will
show them the region of the Inheritance, which is in the Treasury of the Light.


the above reflects the process of the journey.

I tend to respond when I see The beginning and the end.

quote:


It came to pass then, when Jesus had heard his. mother Mary say these words, that he said unto her: "Well said, finely. Amēn, amēn, I say unto thee: They shall proclaim thee blessed from one end of the earth to the other; for the pledge of the First Mystery hath taken up its abode with thee, and through that pledge shall all from the earth and all from the height be saved, and that pledge is the beginning and the end."


There was a big message in that.  The places I believe are the beginning and the end.

 

and this again from the Beginning, the first places totally matches this scenario.

and with another reference to the mystery from the beginning again another verification towards the city.

 

quote:


CHAPTER 60
The commandment of the First Mystery is fulfilled for taking Sophia entirely out of the chaos. And Jesus
continued again in the discourse and said unto his disciples: "It came to pass when Pistis
Sophia had uttered the thirteenth repentance,--in that hour was fulfilled the
commandment of all the tribulations which were de-creed for Pistis Sophia
for the fulfilment of the First Mystery, which was from the beginning,

and the time had come to save her out of the chaos and lead her out from all the darknesses. For her repentance was accepted from her through the First Mystery; and that mystery sent me a great lightpower out of the height, that I might help Pistis Sophia |118. and lead her up out of the chaos.
The First Mystery and Jesus sent forth two light-powers to help Sophia.

So I looked towards
the æons into the height and saw that light-power which the First Mystery had sent me, that I might save Pistis Sophia out of the chaos. It came to pass, therefore, when I had seen it, coming forth from the æons and hastening down to me,--I was above


again reflections

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 02:26 PM

At the end of the day we all have our experience in what we see.

In my journey and experience I see a mystery spread over the books.

One way to find is to go to the cities. If its there and harmonizes then it must be true, the city and the journey

Let the proof, if its there speak for itself.

That's all I say this in light of all thoughts and ideas.

Lets just prove the bloody matter rather than just ideas and thoughts. Whilst we have thoughts we still have to prove the matter until then its theory and talk and that includes your ideas to.

Prove it and prove there is no mystery and proof so that a simple guy on the street can understand. There is no answer if no one understands in simple terms like you read and see.

I mean this book talks about mystery and you deny it, I mean come on man. There talking about some mystery, well what is the mystery without denial or using something that is beyond mans understanding and comprehension. It means nothing to man if he cant understand any mystery let alone a theory.

Wireless I would rate you the top 5% in intelligence of the world but that means the 95% wont understand you.

Im quite happy for anyone to prove my research wrong so I say this, lets just simply go to the location of Dalamatia City and just prove it.

Its either wrong or right! one or the other!

Its just as simple as this. Dalamatia City and all the information in the Urantia Book and cross check with what's there.

That's it, simple, so a simple man can see it and understand a simple construct.

By the way, Ive been wrong about a few things and been quite willing to alter a thought or perception.

No one is beyond being in error and if mans denies that, then he is simply pride filled and is setting himself up before a fall. Even worse is when intelligent man runs from the simple facts.

Gee even the greatest scientists of the world know and say that there ideas are still in theory form and has yet to proven in completion. There still searching and attempting to demonstrate the truth of there theories. Which is fine but they even admit they are wrong when they see it in light of data and experiment.

What really surprises me that you say I am never wrong. What sort of comment is that when I know that we can all be wrong and simple man admits that to. How can anyone learn if they think they are right all the time and yet have not demonstrated that in the evidence.



sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 03:13 PM

Georgeous

I went your link, thank you and had a look at jean

http://files.myopera.com/Georgeos-Diaz-Montexano/albums/45515/2007-04-10_071124.jpg The above image is Photoshop and doesn't mean to much to me.

I was hoping for something like this, something real.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/persian_gulf/dalamatia1_thumb.jpg

 

I was hoping for some actual pictures of the site and the rings you are speaking about.

Anyway, what I say is that you may have found evidence of a latter stone age period that existed in Spain and Southern France and the anomalies you have claimed to have discovered, claiming Atlantis is really reflective of this latter stone age in Spain at the time in the circles.

Plus the timeline of Atlantis that you are working on I believe is wrong as the land of Gods go back much further to the first places.

What Im saying, by me asserting this provides the opportunity for you to prove me wrong because until Im proven wrong on this point I must be right and if your theory is to be unbreakable it will have to go through this test of truth.

You will have to prove that I am wrong until then your theory is breakable. Until then all your doing is proving The Urantia Book in its information about this time period. So in actual fact its your theory against the thoughts of the Universal Government! Prove the Universal Government wrong.

Im sure they invite you to do so because one day you will be doing a public presentation on this and someone from the audience will present this point to you and what are you going to say! How are you going to overcome this with satisfaction in the reply and in the evidence.

Also another point is that scientist say that Cardiz was inhabited around from 900BC according to the soil strata. From what I read your timeline is 1350BC around that time. Cardiz wasn't around and the evidence seems to suggest that when Cardiz was created it was only a outpost until it evolved into a city, like all cities of this planet.

Then you say, I have manmade evidence of the coast under 41 meters deep which reflects a time to around 9000 years ago which is around the middle/latter stone age period. If there is manmade anomalies it would seem to suggest an earlier culture and it would have to road signs saying Atlantis because until that can be established its just another latter stone age city victim of sea level rise.

There is already documented script, oldest script in the world that come from Dilmun near the Persian heads that predates any evidence that you can come up with and with common symbols to that of today. Plus that time and age is fully documented by the Urantia book that pieces all this together as found in the evidence already.

All things you have to overcome using the scientific method proving the theory to establish Cardiz as Atlantis.

Hey Mike1234 all Ive got to say to you is ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 03:52 PMAnyway man was around before a computer which is only an application and not the source truth.

Oh hail computer, glory to the computer ahahahahahahahahahahahahah

sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-13-2008 05:18 PM

Anyway wireless, I see great beauty in Binary code and its reflected in the design of Nature itself and considering that our world (species) is of the decimal construct which makes binary very close in our basic design. But who created binary code as seen in Nature, that's who Im interested in, the programmer, the creator of such complex over layering systems using the simple binary code.

Aren't we only discovering and recreating what has already been established in design and in awe of it.

In this application aren't we really mirroring the creativity of the creator through Binary as we write code in any event but then I say what is motive in our pursuits, what is the truth and purpose of the programmer?? That is the question? as based upon the spiritual standards of the almighty programmer??

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-14-2008 04:16 PM

No problem

Oh well that's the way it goes, a front we both face despite our views.

But I believe I have something that could change their minds but it would have to be verified through an expedition to see if the worldwind software images of the triangle city exists. If verified that would involve the Urantia Book and no scientist could run way from that.

Maybe the focus should be which Atlantis presentation after full testing can change the minds of a scientist who does not believe that an Atlantis existed.

If that could be proven in the beforehand with a record and be then verified that would prove the case.

Something like that would better than debating who has the right Atlantis!

Like a contest in proving to the atheist and which presentation can be verified to the fullest degree.

The best presentation wins if that could be achieved.

Sevens
 


Post Re: Hezbollah sparks a war in Lebanon Thu May 15, 2008 11:18 am

I really sympathize and I feel for the people of Israel. I wonder if the Islamic states are deceived by the last rebel, it seems to have all the characteristics. Death and destruction in its promulgation. Its the spirit of the words that exposes the last rebel, the master of division and war.

Anyway, I also believe that Jesus is with us and is the ultimate guide in the situation and I believe he provides a full proof plan for us all. I have great faith that Jesus will provide truth in the correction.

But I can understand how you feel, I feel it to. But this might be part of the sign. I believe as we progress further in discovering the consummation of truth, the more this kind of thing will arise, in parallel.

This is the time for faith isn't it? in our friend and Saviour Jesus. Right on Jesus!

One thing I know in my personal journey is that Jesus and the Father will never let a friend down. They will stand by a friend. Even if a nation gave themselves over to Jesus in reaching out to him for help, Jesus will protect his friends as he never lets a friend down.

In regards for Israel, Jesus is the Messiah of Israel and so is Melchizedek, together there working on the final consummation. I reckon, if Israel in there hearts of hearts, individually and private reached out to Jesus and Melchizedek for help and to deliver Israel from the people who want to destroy her. The Messiahs will respond but there response will be final. I believe their deliverance will end all war through the demonstration.

See what happens eh!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-15-2008 01:30 PM

Hey Mike1234 ahahah

I think those pics was fascinating,

Also Plato did use another language, different to the original language apparently/maybe Atlantis was called something else?? A different word.

Anyway, all Im doing is going by is what a book says of which speaks of a circular courtyard that contained the tree of life in the middle of the city.

I believe I have found the location of the first city where the Book refers to and where it gives you directions. The city has circular looking formations in the middle of the city where the books says it exists. By the books description of the city you can deduce its a triangle city, and that it lays near the Persian heads.

I figure that Atlantis was the land of the Gods and refers to immortality. Nothing different to this city so by that description I figure Dalamatia City is the the Atlantis, the first and original.

All Im going by is through the UB and through other reflections I feel exist in other books.

Really speaking Im just testing this book in its words and I think Im coming up with real results, Fair dinkum! no worries mate! kick goals! ahahaha

All it needs now is verification.

Really speaking Im just testing this book in its words and I think Im coming up with real results.
I think those pics were nice, where do they come from..Greece? and through what period? Where they circular roofless temples ahaha or just homes?

I suppose in those days every place had its little temple to work out the seasons associated with the Gods.


All the best Mike 1234 ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 05-15-2008 02:08 PM

Mind you Mike1234

If we lifted up the Seven commands inscribed on Stone Slabs with the Seven commands and verified everything in the journey. Do you realize how massive that would be? and what implications it has??

huge!!

Mind you Mike1234 just by the Urantia revealing to us that the Seven command tablets lay of the coast of Persia and Mesopotamia, in the present clearly points to the cities that I discovered in the worldwind software using the book.

That is a clear match to the locations presently. This can relate to the 3 cities 1Susa, Dilmun/Babel and Dalamatia City of the coast of Persia and Mesopotamia.

That would mean confirmation and entry or a platform of the Universal Fathers to reveal themselves ...maybe!! and that would mean they would be happy with the report!

And out of the Seven commands of old, comes a new covenant of man and the Father for a new future destiny for this planet! with a new book that completes all the books relevant! That would complete my record of the journey and would be the glue that ties in and brings in all the pieces of the puzzle that was created after the downfall of Dalamatia City. The great Endtime puzzle of mankind and his destiny!

And the guy who discovered the first city where all our problems came from, in the first instance also completed the greatest mystery known to man and assisted the Universal Fathers, in the record, in the uplift and realisation of man and God to a new level on the paths set out by Jesus, ultimately! That mystery would be the Seventh or the Sevenfold mystery which relates directly to the Ancients of Days.

That would be the Seventh Mystery of the Seven churches of the Seven Angels of the Seven Stars in Revelations.

However, everything has to be completed according to my recent find confirming this journey. But then I would have to go there out prove my record but with the current tensions out there and the sensitivity of this journey. Would the military have to be involved to verify?

Would the will of the USA have to arise in the verification of Dalamatia City knowing how things are with Iran and yet knowing this of vital interest for the USA in determining the truth of the matter and which may have implications? In my opinion anyway!

I mean to say, the gates of the path to the cities are layed wide open in truth. They are open to people to explore and become part of an exciting journey of mystery in truth with nothing to fear from what I can see so far! and it part of the path of the tree of life and its journey past and of today and of the future!

Sevens ahahahah


PAPER 130 - ON THE WAY TO ROME, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 144:           And this youth, Fortune, subsequently became the leader of the Christians in Crete and the close associate of Titus in his labors for the uplift of the Cretan believers.


 


Hi here is a link from a friend and brother of mine who sent me this link. 

He thought I would be interested in and on first glance I find many parallels already..

I have never seen this book before and quite happy to have a look at it.  I did a Messiah keyword scan of the document and in the following are fragments that in type, if find reflect characteristics of the Messiah in this journey to the ancient places, .

Levi H. Dowling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_H._Dowling

http://spiritlight.com:80/jesus/aquarian1.htm
 

CHAPTER 50

Jesus passes the third brotherhood test, and receives the third degree, FAITH.

THE Logos waited seven days, and then was taken to the Hall of Fame, a chamber rich in furnishings, and lighted up with gold and silver lamps.
2) The colors of its ceilings, decorations, furnishings and walls were blue and gold.
3) Its shelves were filled with books of master minds; the paintings and the statues were the works of highest art.
4) And Jesus was entranced with all this elegance and these manifests of thought. He read the sacred books, and sought the meanings of the symbols and the hieroglyphs.
50 And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and said,
6) Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are highly blest. Few men of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame.
7) Now, if you do not waste your life in search for hidden things that men can never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of thought that will insure you endless fame;
8) For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings please the common people more than those of Socrates.

9) Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk with men, and think with men, and they will honor you.
10) And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah hopes but base illusions of the hour.
11) I would advise you to renounce uncertain things and choose the course that leads to certain fame.

 

and

15) And Jesus said,
There is no loyal Jew who would not give his life to save this temple from disgrace; in this I acted simply as a loyal Jew, and you yourselves will bear me witness to this truth.
16) The signs of my messiahship will follow me in words and deeds.
17) And you may tear the temple down (and you will tear it down) and in three days it will be built again more glorious than before.

 

and

21) And then they took the scourge with which he drove the merchants out, and would have driven him away; but Philo, who had come from Egypt to attend the feast, stood forth and said,
22) You men of Israel, hear! This man is more than man; take heed to what you do. I have, myself, heard Jesus speak, and all the winds were still.
23) And I have seen him touch the sick, and they were healed. He stands a sage above the sages of the world;
24) And you will see his star arise, and it will grow until it is the full-orbed Sun of Righteousness.
25) Do not be hasty, men; just wait and you will have the proofs of his messiahship.
26) And then the priests laid down the scourge, and Jesus said,
27) Prepare, O Israel, prepare to meet your king! But you can never see the king while you press sin as such a precious idol to your hearts.
28) The king is God; the pure in heart alone can see the face of God and live.

and

 

15) A lawyer came and asked,
What does messiah mean? and who has right to make messiah of a man?
16) And Jesus said,
Messiah is one sent from God to seek and save the lost. Messiahs are not made by men.
17) In first of every age Messiah comes to light the way; to heal up broken hearts; to set the prisoners free. Messiah and the Christ are one.
18) Because a man claims to be Christ is not a sign that he is Christ.
19) A man may cause the streams to flow from flinty rocks; may bring storms at will; may stay tempestuous winds; may heal the sick and raise the dead, and not be sent from God.
20) All nature is subservient to the will of man, and evil men, as well as good, have all the powers of mind, and may control the elements.
21) The head gives not the proof of true messiahship, for man by means of intellect, can never know of God, nor bring himself to walk in light.
22) Messiah lives not in the head, but in the heart, the seat of mercy and of love.
23) Messiah never works for selfish gains; he stands above the carnal self; his words and deeds are for the universal good.
24) Messiah never tries to be a king, to wear a crown and sit upon an earthly throne.
25) The king is earthy, of the earth; Messiah is the man from heaven.

26) And then the lawyer asked,
Why do you pose as king?
27) And Jesus said,
No man has ever heard me say that I am king. I could not sit in Caesar's place and be the Christ.
28) Give unto Caesar what belongs to him; give unto God the treasures of your heart.

 

and

 

here is a beautiful one

 

24) The woman asked,
Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to pray, and that they should not worship in our holy mount?
25) And Jesus said,
What you have said, I do not say. One place is just as sacred as another place.
26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the heart; for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that he is not in every heart.
27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
28) The woman said,
We know that when Messiah comes that he will lead us in the ways of truth.
29 And Jesus said,
Behold the Christ has come; Messiah speaks to you.

 

and

 

NOW, on the last day of the feast when multitudes were in the courtways, Jesus said,
2) Whoever is athirst may come to me and drink.
3) He who believes in me and in the Christ whom God had sent, may drink the cup of life, and from his inner parts shall streams of living waters flow.
4) The Holy Breath will over-shadow him, and he will breathe the Breath, and speak the words, and live the life.
5) The people were divided in their views concerning him. Some said,
This man is prophet of the living God.
6) And others said,
He is Messiah whom our prophets said would come.
7) And others said,
He cannot be the Christ, for he came down from Galilee; the Christ must come from Bethlehem where David lived.
 

and

3) A scribe approaching Jesus said,
Rabboni, why do you keep the people waiting in suspense? If you are the Messiah that the prophets said would come, will you not tell us now?
4) And Jesus said,
Lo, I have told you many times, but you believed me not.
5) No man can do the work that I have done and bring to men the truth as I have brought the truth who did not come from God.
6) What I have done and said are witnesses for me.
7) God calls, and they whose ears have been attuned to hear the heavenly voice have heard the call and have believed in me; because God testifies for me.
8) You cannot hear the voice of God, because your ears are closed. You cannot comprehend the works of God, because your hearts are full of self.
9) And you are busybodies, mischief-makers, hypocrites. You take these men whom God has given me into your haunts and try to poison them with sophistries and lies, and think that you will snatch them from the fold of God.
10) I tell you, men, these men are tried and you can snatch not one of them away.
11) My Father who has given them to me is greater than you all, and he and I are one.

 

and

3) A pious Jew named Simeon was in the temple serving God.
4) From early youth he had been looking for Immanuel to come, and he had prayed to God that he might not depart until his eyes had seen Messiah in the flesh.
5) And when he saw the infant Jesus he rejoiced and said,

 

and

 

9) And when she saw the infant Jesus she exclaimed,
Behold Immanuel! Behold the signet cross of the Messiah on his brow!
10) And then the woman knelt to worship him, as God with us, Immanuel; but one, a master, clothed in white, appeared and said,

 

and

 

What have the Jewish prophets said concerning such a one?
11) The Jewish masters answered him and said,
The prophets long ago foretold that one would come to rule the tribes of Israel; that this Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
12) They said,
The prophet Micah wrote,
O Bethlehem Judea, a little place among the Judean hills, yet out of you will one come forth to rule my people, Israel; yea, one who lived in olden times, in very ancient days

 

and

9) The sages of the ages call you harbinger. The prophets look to you and say, He is Elijah come again.
10) Your mission here is that of harbinger; for you will go before Messiah's face to pave his way, and make the people ready to receive their king.
11) This readiness is purity of heart; none but the pure in heart can recognize the king.

 

and

 


Icon 1 posted 05-16-2008 07:05 PM


Levi H. Dowling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_H._Dowling
http://spiritlight.com:80/jesus/aquarian1.htm

By proxy of the Aquarian Gospel this is what the Universal Government of Paradise have to say on our current debate and arguments on Plato which includes Atlantis and including Socrates.

 

quote:


CHAPTER 50
50 And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and said,
6)
Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are highly blest. Few men of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame.


7) Now, if you do not waste your life in search for hidden things that men can never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of thought that will insure you endless fame;


8) For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings please the common people more than those of Socrates.

 
9) Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk with men, and think with men, and they will honor you.


10) And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah hopes but base illusions of the hour.

11) I would advise you to renounce uncertain things and choose the course that leads to certain fame.


In other woirds we should get act on the things we can comprehend in the paths layed out that can br proven. Really, all this debate is usless if people cannot find conclusion and evidence.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sevens



 

Icon 1 posted 05-16-2008 07:25 PM


Lao Tze just continue down the various posts

Hi here is a link from a friend and brother of mine who sent me this link.

He thought I would be interested in and on first glance I find many parallels already. I have never seen this book before and quite happy to have a look at it. I did a Messiah keyword scan of the document and in the following are fragments that in type, if find reflect characteristics of the Messiah and reflections in the journey to the ancient places. Again focalising on the ancient places and seeing if there are reflections in the highlights


Levi H. Dowling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_H._Dowling
http://spiritlight.com:80/jesus/aquarian1.htm


http://www.dalamatiacity.com/AquarianGospel

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CHAPTER 50
Jesus passes the third brotherhood test, and receives the third degree, FAITH.
THE Logos waited seven days, and then was taken to the Hall of Fame, a chamber rich in furnishings, and lighted up with gold and silver lamps.
2) The colors of its ceilings, decorations, furnishings and walls were blue and gold.
3) Its shelves were filled with books of master minds; the paintings and the statues were the works of highest art.
4) And Jesus was entranced with all this elegance and these manifests of thought. He read the sacred books, and sought the meanings of the symbols and the hieroglyphs.
50 And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and said,
6) Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are highly blest. Few men of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame.
7) Now, if you do not waste your life in search for hidden things that men can never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of thought that will insure you endless fame;
8) For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings please the common people more than those of Socrates.
9) Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk with men, and think with men, and they will honor you.
10) And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah hopes but base illusions of the hour.
11) I would advise you to renounce uncertain things and choose the course that leads to certain fame.


and

15) And Jesus said,
There is no loyal Jew who would not give his life to save this temple from disgrace;
in this I acted simply as a loyal Jew, and you yourselves will bear me witness to this truth.
16) The signs of my messiahship will follow me in words and deeds.

17) And you may tear the temple down (and you will tear it down) and in three days it will be built again more glorious than before.

and
21) And then they took the scourge with which he drove the merchants out, and would have driven him away; but Philo, who had come from Egypt to attend the feast, stood forth and said,
22) You men of Israel, hear! This man is more than man; take heed to what you do. I have, myself, heard Jesus speak, and all the winds were still.
23) And I have seen him touch the sick, and they were healed.
He stands a sage above the sages of the world;
24) And you will see his star arise, and it will grow until it is the full-orbed Sun of Righteousness.
25) Do not be hasty, men; just wait and you will have the proofs of his messiahship.

26) And then the priests laid down the scourge, and Jesus said,
27) Prepare, O Israel, prepare to meet your king! But you can never see the king while you press sin as such a precious idol to your hearts.
28) The king is God; the pure in heart alone can see the face of God and live.


and

15) A lawyer came and asked,
What does messiah mean? and who has right to make messiah of a man?
16) And Jesus said,
Messiah is one sent from God to seek and save the lost. Messiahs are not made by men.
17) In first of every age Messiah comes to light the way; to heal up broken hearts; to set the prisoners free. Messiah and the Christ are one.
18) Because a man claims to be Christ is not a sign that he is Christ.

19) A man may cause the streams to flow from flinty rocks; may bring storms at will; may stay tempestuous winds; may heal the sick and raise the dead, and not be sent from God.
20) All nature is subservient to the will of man, and evil men, as well as good, have all the powers of mind, and may control the elements.
21) The head gives not the proof of true messiahship, for man by means of intellect, can never know of God, nor bring himself to walk in light.
22) Messiah lives not in the head, but in the heart, the seat of mercy and of love.
23) Messiah never works for selfish gains; he stands above the carnal self; his words and deeds are for the universal good.
24) Messiah never tries to be a king, to wear a crown and sit upon an earthly throne.
25) The king is earthy, of the earth; Messiah is the man from heaven.
26) And then the lawyer asked,
Why do you pose as king?
27) And Jesus said,
No man has ever heard me say that I am king. I could not sit in Caesar's place and be the Christ.

28) Give unto Caesar what belongs to him; give unto God the treasures of your heart.

and

here is a beautiful one

24) The woman asked,
Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to pray, and that they should not worship in our holy mount?
25) And Jesus said,
What you have said, I do not say. One place is just as sacred as another place.
26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the heart; for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that he is not in every heart.
27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
28) The woman said,
We know that when Messiah comes that he will lead us in the ways of truth.
29 And Jesus said,
Behold the Christ has come; Messiah speaks to you.


and

NOW, on
the last day of the feast when multitudes were in the courtways,

Jesus said,
2) Whoever is athirst may come to me and drink.
3) He who believes in me and in the Christ whom God had sent, may drink the cup of life, and from his inner parts shall streams of living waters flow.
4) The Holy Breath will over-shadow him, and he will breathe the Breath, and speak the words, and live the life.

5) The people were divided in their views concerning him. Some said,
This man is prophet of the living God.
6) And others said,
He is Messiah whom our prophets said would come.
7) And others said,
He cannot be the Christ, for he came down from Galilee; the Christ must come from Bethlehem where David lived.

and

3) A scribe approaching Jesus said,
Rabboni, why do you keep the people waiting in suspense? If you are the Messiah that the prophets said would come, will you not tell us now?
4) And Jesus said,
Lo, I have told you many times, but you believed me not.
5) No man can do the work that I have done and bring to men the truth as I have brought the truth who did not come from God.
6) What I have done and said are witnesses for me.
7) God calls, and they whose ears have been attuned to hear the heavenly voice have heard the call and have believed in me; because God testifies for me.
8) You cannot hear the voice of God, because your ears are closed. You cannot comprehend the works of God, because your hearts are full of self.
9) And you are busybodies, mischief-makers, hypocrites. You take these men whom God has given me into your haunts and try to poison them with sophistries and lies, and think that you will snatch them from the fold of God.
10) I tell you, men, these men are tried and you can snatch not one of them away.
11) My Father who has given them to me is greater than you all, and he and I are one.


and

3) A pious Jew named Simeon was in the temple serving God.
4) From early youth he had been looking for Immanuel to come, and he had prayed to God that he might not depart until his eyes had seen Messiah in the flesh.
5) And when he saw the infant Jesus he rejoiced and said,

and

9) And when she saw the infant Jesus she exclaimed,
Behold Immanuel! Behold the signet cross of the Messiah on his brow!
10) And then the woman knelt to worship him, as God with us, Immanuel; but one, a master, clothed in white, appeared and said,


and

What have the Jewish prophets said concerning such a one?
11) The Jewish masters answered him and said,
The prophets long ago foretold that one would come to rule the tribes of Israel; that this Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
12) They said,
The prophet Micah wrote,
O Bethlehem Judea, a little place among the Judean hills, yet out of you will one come forth to rule my people, Israel; yea, one who lived in olden times, in very ancient days

and

9) The sages of the ages call you harbinger. The prophets look to you and say, He is Elijah come again.
10) Your mission here is that of harbinger; for you will go before Messiah's face to pave his way, and make the people ready to receive their king.
11) This readiness is purity of heart; none but the pure in heart can recognize the king.


I thought that book was fascinating and had many messages for us today in terms of truth, beauty and goodness in the journey and how that is related to righteousness and is the Path to the Messiah.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-16-2008 09:51 PM


Its an interesting book however I tend to have more confidence in the Urantia Book as the book is leading us in a very practical way to the cities. However, there are interesting things. like in the below. I was interested in "the Seven" see if its may a reflection in this path to the ancient places.

http://home.netcom.com/~mokeeffe2/AquarianGospelSinglePage.htm#AGtext

 

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CHAPTER 9

Salome's lessons. The man and the woman. Philosophy of human moods.
The triune God. The Septonate. The God Tao.

SALOME taught the lesson of the day. She said,
All times are not alike. Today the words of man may have the greatest power; tomorrow woman teaches best.

2) In all the ways of life the man and woman should walk hand in hand; the one without the other is but half; each has a work to do.
3) But all things teach; each has a time and a season for its own. The sun, the moon have lessons of their own for men; but each one teaches at the appointed time.
4) The lessons of the sun fall down on human hearts like withered leaves upon a stream, if given in the season of the moon; and so with lessons of the moon and all the stars.
5) Today one walks in gloom, downhearted and oppressed; tomorrow that same one is filled with joy.
6) Today the heavens seem full of blessedness and hope; tomorrow hope has fled, and every plan and purpose comes to naught.
7) Today one wants to curse the very ground on which he treads; tomorrow he is full of love and praise.
8) Today one hates and scorns and envies and is jealous of the child he loves; tomorrow he has risen above his carnal self, and breathes forth gladness and good will.
9) A thousand times men wonder why these heights and depths, these light hearts and these sad, are found in every life.
10) They do not know that there are teachers everywhere, each busy with a God-appointed task, and driving home to human hearts the truth.
11) But this is true, and every one receives the lessons that he needs.
12) And Mary said,
Today I am in exaltation great; my thoughts and all my life seem lifted up; why am I thus inspired?
13) Salome replied,
This is a day of exaltation; day of worship and of praise; a day when, in a measure, we may comprehend our Father-God.

14) Then let us study God, the One, the Three, the Seven.

15) Before the worlds were formed all things were One; just Spirit, Universal Breath.
16) And Spirit breathed, and that which was not manifest became the Fire and Thought of Heaven, the Father-God, the Mother-God.
17) And when the Fire and Thought of heaven in union breathed, their son, their only son, was born. This son is Love whom men have called the Christ.
18) Men call the Thought of heaven the Holy Breath.
19) And when the Triune God breathed forth, lo, seven Spirits stood before the throne. These are the Elohim, creative spirits of the universe.
20) And these are they who said, Let us make man; and in their image man was made.
21) In early ages of the world the dwellers in the farther East said, Tao is the name of Universal Breath; and in the ancient books we read,
22) No manifesting form has Tao Great, and yet he made and keeps the heavens and earth.
23) No passion has our Tao Great, and yet he causes sun and moon and all the stars to rise and set.
24) No name has Tao Great, and yet he makes all things to grow; he brings in season both the seed time and the harvest time.
25) And Tao Great was One; the One became the Two; the Two became the Three, the Three evolved the Seven, which filled the universe with manifests.
26) And Tao Great gives unto all, the evil and the good, the rain, the dew, the sunshine and the flowers; from his rich stores he feeds them all.
27) And in the same old book we read of man: He has a spirit knit to Tao Great; a soul which lives within the seven Breaths of Tao Great; a body of desires that springs up from the soil of flesh.
28) Now spirit loves the pure, the good, the true; the body of desires extols the selfish self; the soul becomes the battle ground between the two.
29) And blessed is the man whose spirit is triumphant and whose lower self is purified; whose soul is cleansed, becoming fit to be the council chamber of the manifests of Tao Great.
30) Thus closed the lesson of Salome.
 


anbd here is connection on to the keyword "Tao" as in the above.

Urantia "Tao" word search

"Tao" word search Fragments

 

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PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

line 138: About fifteen thousand years ago the Andites, in considerable numbers, were traversing the pass of Ti Tao and spreading out over the upper valley of the Yellow River among the Chinese settlements of Kansu. Presently they penetrated eastward to Honan, where the most progressive settlements were situated. This infiltration from the west was about half Andonite and half Andite.

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PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

line 113:
Lao-tse built directly upon the concepts of the Salem traditions when he declared Tao to be the One First Cause of all creation.

Lao was a man of great spiritual vision. He taught that "man's eternal destiny was everlasting union with Tao, Supreme God and Universal King." His comprehension of ultimate causation was most discerning, for he wrote:
"Unity arises out of the Absolute Tao, and from Unity there appears cosmic Duality, and from such Duality, Trinity springs forth into existence, and Trinity is the primal source of all reality." "All reality is ever in balance between the potentials and the actuals of the cosmos, and these are eternally harmonized by the spirit of divinity."

line 122: But the popular
Taoism of twentieth-century Urantia has very little in common with the lofty sentiments and the cosmic concepts of the old philosopher who taught the truth as he perceived it, which was: That faith in the Absolute God is the source of that divine energy which will remake the world, and by which man ascends to spiritual union with Tao, the Eternal Deity and Creator Absolute of the universes.

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PAPER 92 - THE LATER EVOLUTION OF RELIGION, Oct 19 2000

line 113: 4. The
sixth century before Christ. Many men arose to proclaim truth in this, one of the greatest centuries of religious awakening ever witnessed on Urantia.

Among these should be recorded Gautama, Confucius,
Lao-tse, Zoroaster, and the Jainist teachers. The teachings of Gautama have become widespread in Asia, and he is revered as the Buddha by millions. Confucius was to Chinese morality what Plato was to Greek philosophy, and while there were religious repercussions to the teachings of both, strictly speaking, neither was a religious teacher; Lao-tse envisioned more of God in Tao than did Confucius in humanity or Plato in idealism. Zoroaster, while much affected by the prevalent


I find it very interesting that you have this bridge of Tao with its fundamental roots of the Salem, Melchizedek truth and connection into the Aquarian Gospel through the words of Salome.

And you have have ONE, Three and Seven connection, the Universal Government fingerprint. Which is the Seven or the Government of the Ancient of Days that came out of the Triune and the one.

and this

 

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13) You know the sacred Word, which is the word of power.
14) The secret things that I have told to you that may not now be told to all the world, you shall make known to faithful men who shall in turn reveal them unto other faithful men.
15) Until the time shall come when all the world may hear and comprehend the words of truth and power.


Icon 1 posted 05-16-2008 10:41 PM

Wikipedia Tao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao

and this fragment from here.

http://www.atmajyoti.org/ch_aquarian_commentary_06.asp

 

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Salome, a teacher of the Essenes in Zoan, gave this lesson to Elizabeth and Mary, who were to pass it on to their sons Jesus and John. Its main value lies in the wisdom principles it enunciates, but it is also of value since it shows that the Essenes knew and acknowledged the wisdom of Taoism and actively taught it.


Out of the Wikipedia

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Laozi (Chinese: 老子; pinyin: Lǎozǐ; Wade-Giles: Lao tzu; also Lao Tse, Laotze, Lao Zi,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_Zi


and the book of Laozi

quote:


The Tao Te Ching or Daodejing (traditional Chinese: 道德經; simplified Chinese: 道德经; pinyin: Dàodéjīng), originally known as the eponymous Laozi or Lao tzu (Chinese: 老子; pinyin: Lǎozǐ), is a Chinese classic text.

and more

According to tradition, it was written around the 6th century BCE by the Taoist sage Laozi (or Lao Tzu, "Old Master"), a record-keeper at the Zhou Dynasty court, by whose name the text is known in China. The text's true authorship and date of composition or compilation are still debated.[1]

The Tao Te Ching is fundamental to the Taoist school (Dàojiā 道家) of Chinese philosophy and strongly influenced other schools, such as Legalism and Neo-Confucianism. This ancient book is also central in Chinese religion, not only for Taoism (Dàojiāo 道教) but [B][/B] , which when first introduced into China was largely interpreted through the use of Taoist words and concepts


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daodejing


Interesting how this religion of the early Salem truth also has paths into Chinese Buddhism and in Confucianism.

sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 05-16-2008 11:01 PM


http://home.netcom.com/~mokeeffe2/AquarianGospelSinglePage.htm#AGtext

 

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And Peter said,
You people of Jerusalem, and you who live beyond the city's gates; Peace be to you, and all mankind.
11) This is the time that holy men of old desired to see, by faith they saw this hour, and now they stand with us in ecstasy.
12) The prophet Joel in olden times told of the things you see and hear. The Holy Breath spoke with his tongue and said,
13) And it shall come to pass in latter days, that I will breathe upon the sons of men, and fill them with the blessedness of holiness.
14) Your sons and daughters will stand forth and prophesy; your young men will be seers; your old men will dream dreams.
15) And I will show wonders in the heavens above, and
marvelous signs in earth.

16) Sounds
will proceed from heaven and voices will be heard that men will fail to comprehend.

17) The sun
will fail to shine; the moon will wade in blood before the coming of the great day of the Lord.

18) And it will come to pass that they who call upon the name of God in faith shall be redeemed.


Seems like our days, the latter days and did you notice "marvelous signs in earth." like the ancient places of which are signs in the Latter days. And people wont understand nor comprehend and the bloodshed will continue and illumination and enlightenment of the signs may fail on earth generally. But there is an escape plan for those who believe.

and this one

 

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5) God speaks to man, not by an oracle of wood and gold, but by the voice of man.
6) The gods have spoken to the Greeks, and kindred tongues, through images made by man, but God, the One, now speaks to man through Christ the only son, who was, and is and evermore will be.
7) This Oracle shall fail; the Living Oracle of God, the One, will never fail.


That's why I believe this oracle will not fail because its a living oracle of day by day as we sail to the ancient places. Like the preparation in the revealment of the former things.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 03:14 AM


Here is Urantia Book link into Lao Tze

It describes the Tao more fully and its evolution.

The Urantia Book fragment describing Tao in its evolution.

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6. LAO-TSE AND CONFUCIUS
About six hundred years before the arrival of Michael, it seemed to Melchizedek, long since departed from the flesh, that the purity of his teaching on earth was being unduly jeopardized by general absorption into the older Urantia beliefs. It appeared for a time that his mission as a forerunner of Michael might be in danger of failing. And in the sixth century before Christ, through an unusual co-ordination of spiritual agencies, not all of which are understood even by the planetary supervisors, Urantia witnessed a most unusual presentation of manifold religious truth. Through the agency of several human teachers the Salem gospel was restated and revitalized, and as it was then presented, much has persisted to the times of this writing.

Lao-tse also made one of the earliest presentations of the doctrine of returning good for evil: "Goodness begets goodness, but to the one who is truly good, evil also begets goodness."

He taught
the return of the creature to the Creator and pictured life as the emergence of a personality from the cosmic potentials, while death was like the returning home of this creature personality. His concept of true faith was unusual, and he too likened it to the "attitude of a little child."

His understanding of the eternal purpose of God was clear, for he said:
"The Absolute Deity does not strive but is always victorious; he does not coerce mankind but always stands ready to respond to their true desires; the will of God is eternal in patience and eternal in the inevitability of its expression."

And of the true religionist he said, in expressing the truth that it is more blessed to give than to receive: "The good man seeks not to retain truth for himself but rather attempts to bestow these riches upon his fellows, for that is the realization of truth. The will of the Absolute God always benefits, never destroys; the purpose of the true believer is always to act but never to coerce."

Lao's teaching of nonresistance and the distinction which he made
between action and coercion became later perverted into the beliefs of "seeing, doing, and thinking nothing." But Lao never taught such error, albeit his presentation of nonresistance has been a factor in the further development of the pacific predilections of the Chinese peoples.
action and coercion but not "seeing, doing, and thinking nothing." here is a correction in the attitude! for the religion. The above seems to highlight the best in the above Chinese religion.

and more in the paper

Confucius (Kung Fu-tze) was a younger contemporary of Lao in sixth-century China. Confucius based his doctrines upon the better moral traditions of the long history of the yellow race, and he was also somewhat influenced by the lingering traditions of the Salem missionaries. His chief work consisted in the compilation of the wise sayings of ancient philosophers. He was a rejected teacher during his lifetime, but his writings and teachings have ever since exerted a great influence in China and Japan . Confucius set a new pace for the shamans in that he put morality in the place of magic. But he built too well; he made a new fetish out of order and established a respect for ancestral conduct that is still venerated by the Chinese at the time of this writing.

The Confucian preachment of morality was predicated on the theory that the earthly way is the distorted shadow of the heavenly way; that the true pattern of temporal civilization is the mirror reflection of the eternal order of heaven. The potential God concept in Confucianism was almost completely subordinated to the emphasis placed upon the Way of Heaven, the pattern of the cosmos.

The teachings of Lao have been lost to all but a few in the Orient, but the writings of Confucius have ever since constituted the basis of the moral fabric of the culture of almost a third of Urantians. These Confucian precepts, while perpetuating the best of the past, were somewhat inimical to the very Chinese spirit of investigation that had produced those achievements which were so venerated. The influence of these doctrines was unsuccessfully combated both by the imperial efforts of Ch'in Shih Huang Ti and by the teachings of Mo Ti, who proclaimed a brotherhood founded not on ethical duty but on the love of God. He sought to rekindle the ancient quest for new truth, but his teachings failed before the vigorous opposition of the disciples of Confucius.

and....

But the Salemites did not labor in vain. It was upon the foundations of their gospel that the great philosophers of sixth-century China built their teachings. The moral atmosphere and the spiritual sentiments of the times of Lao-tse and Confucius grew up out of the teachings of the Salem missionaries of an earlier age.


fascinating paper and widens the view point more knowing that this teaching had influences in the Essenes thoughts as expressed by Solame.

Lao-Tse
b. 604 BC
http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/China/LaoTse.html

Right around the time Atlantis was recorded by Plato wasn't it?

quote:


Dao De Jing - Chapter 66 (I have to chuckle to myself as the name Dao de Jing looks, written and sounds like my name ahaha)
If the sage would guide the people, he must serve with humility.
If he would lead them, he must follow behind.
In this way when the sage rules, the people will not feel oppressed;
When he stands before them, they will not be harmed.
The whole world will support him and will not tire of him.
Because he does not compete,
He does not meet competition.


and

quote:



Lao-Tse b. 604-531 BCE

Little is known of the history of Lao Tzu. He was a native of Ch'ü-jen, which is in the modern day Honan Province, China. His given name was Li Erh; the name Lao Tzu means "old sage" or "old boy".

The author of the "Dao De Jing" (Tao Te Ching), Lao Tzu, kept the Imperial Archives of the Court of Chou, in the province of Honan in the sixth century, B.C. Some historical records indicate that he had personally instructed Confucius and was an elderly contemporary, although others claim that he passed away before the birth of Confucius.


Here is a urantia book connection

to this piece of knowledge
"that he had personally instructed Confucius and was an elderly contemporary,"

and this piece from the Urantia Book 1934

Confucius (Kung Fu-tze) was a younger contemporary of Lao in sixth-century China.


and here is an old post regarding the circle religion in China and the emblem of the Melchizedeks ensign.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues4.htm#Hi bookmarked
 

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 04:25 AM


The temple of Heaven in Beijing note the 3 concentric circles. Where did that circle truth come from? Not from any religions we know today. How did they evolve the symbol of the 3 concentric circles around 700BC, 100 years before Plato? Through there own religion of the past?

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and the main temple of Heaven. Again the concentric circles. Why? the concentric circles in China? Where did that come from, Was it the perpetuation of the Melchizedeks ensign that persisted in the Shangdi religion

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I believe the latest posts offer a great connection and threads for the Chinese people to explore. The paths could provide the path for the Chinese people in bringing together the Melchizedek truths from the past in their books and combine them with the Urantia Book and with the Bible and all other books for a great oneness and uplift.

This journey provides a good viechle for the Chinese people in a revival of spiritual truth that links back to 4000BC to the Melchizedek truth and connects their past into today with an upgrade of religion through this journey to the places and with the new book the Urantia Book.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 04:38 AM

And More

http://www.greatdreams.com/sacred/tung.htm
 

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Alongside the development of Taoism as a philosophy another more strictly religious interpretation of Taoism was evolving. This "religious" Taoism had its own temples, priests, rites and symbolic images. Lao Tzu was venerated as a "saint" and imperial sacrifices were made to him. It drew strongly upon the ideas of yin-yang and of the "Five Agents" (metal, wood, water, fire & earth). During this time there began to develop a pantheon of Taoist deities that were often venerated as gods. So prominent were astrology, alchemy and divination in this stream of Taoism that it had veered away from philosophy to occultism. This movement was sometimes known as Huang-Lao after the legendary Yellow Emperor, Huang-ti and Lao Tzu.


The symbol of the Yin/Yang



and remember this fragment in the Urantia Book about Huang Ti

The Ub fragment
 

quote:


The influence of these doctrines was unsuccessfully combated both by the imperial efforts of Ch'in Shih Huang Ti and by the teachings of Mo Ti, who proclaimed a brotherhood founded not on ethical duty but on the love of God. He sought to rekindle the ancient quest for new truth, but his teachings failed before the vigorous opposition of the disciples of Confucius.


Very nice connection of Huang Ti in history and Ch'in Shih Huang Ti in the Urantia Book with his role, a connection for the Chinese people in the upgrade of religion.

and more fragments from the the above link that link Haung Ti to the Chin dynasty directly found in the Urantia Book.

 

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From this form of Taoism emerged very strong alchemical currents as Taoist practitioners (much like Western mystics a millennium later) at the court of Shih Huang-ti of the Qin (Ch'in) dynasty (221-207 BC) tried to cultivate powers that would transform base metals to gold, and hence would serve as a metonym for the transformation of human qualities to the transcendent. These practitioners were also acclaimed as spirit mediums and experts in levitation .


Obviously, degradation of Lao Tze writings where being degraded from the Melchizedek truth at this time 221-207 BC.

I remember sometime ago I heard the Chinese Government was finding a path back to their roots in religion reviving Buddhism. I believe in this serious of posts are the threads and connections that could lead to paths of knowledge that would upgrade the whole Chinese people in a new and revitalized religion that would combine the past with the future and they, the whole race could come on an expedition to prove the truth of the matter.

Now about Mo Ti

Here is a fragment I found on the net


 

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MO-TI
c.472 - c.391 BC
Chinese Philosopher
Mo-ti, or Mo-tzu, was a Chinese philosopher whose doctrine of universal love challenged Confucianism for a considerable time during China's history.

Mo-ti was first a Confucianist but became increasingly attracted for a life of simplicity. His ideas challenged the special claims of parental authority.

Mo-ti developed the idea of an utopian state, and he also introduced logical systems into Chinese philosophy.
web page


Now look what the Urantia Book says

 

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The teachings of Lao have been lost to all but a few in the Orient, but the writings of Confucius have ever since constituted the basis of the moral fabric of the culture of almost a third of Urantians. These Confucian precepts, while perpetuating the best of the past, were somewhat inimical to the very Chinese spirit of investigation that had produced those achievements which were so venerated. The influence of these doctrines was unsuccessfully combated both by the imperial efforts of Ch'in Shih Huang Ti and by the teachings of Mo Ti, who proclaimed a brotherhood founded not on ethical duty but on the love of God. He sought to rekindle the ancient quest for new truth, but his teachings failed before the vigorous opposition of the disciples of Confucius.

Like many other spiritual and moral teachers, both Confucius and Lao-tse were eventually deified by their followers in those spiritually dark ages of China which intervened between the decline and perversion of the Taoist faith and
the coming of the Buddhist missionaries from India.


During these spiritually decadent centuries the religion of the yellow race degenerated into a pitiful theology wherein swarmed devils, dragons, and evil spirits, all betokening the returning fears of the unenlightened mortal mind. And China, once at the head of human society because of an advanced religion, then fell behind because of temporary failure to progress in the true path of the development of that God-consciousness which is indispensable to the true progress, not only of the individual mortal,
but also of the intricate and complex civilizations which characterize the advance of culture and society on an evolutionary planet of time and space.

Another interesting connection in the timeline of events that affected the the Tao truths.

All good for the uplift of Chinese religion with book from the Kingdom of Heaven.

and here is the direct message for the Chinese People for today and their religion

quote:


in the true path of the development of that God-consciousness which is indispensable to the true progress, not only of the individual mortal, but also of the intricate and complex civilizations which characterize the advance of culture and society on an evolutionary planet of time and space.


Some links Mo Ti

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CHPHIL/MOTZU.HTM

 

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 05:11 AM


quote:




http://www.greatdreams.com/sacred/tung.htm

The Emperor's legacy

Chinese civilization owes much to the legendary ruler. Agriculture and husbandry simultaneously developed in the ancient times when Huang-ti ruled. Silkworm raising was accomplished earliest in China. Yue Jue Shu says Emperor Huang-ti started the silk clothing industry and cultivated mulberry (for silkworms) and hemp; as the Chinese archaeologists state "it is from historical records" (Selections of Chinese Relics and Archaeology, Foreign Languages Press, Beijing, 1995). We should be grateful that at least some historical records reach to us from the mists of time. Ancient scribes took care to leave us an incredible tale of a very strange being, the one they called the "Yellow Emperor."

And it was in Huang-ti's age that the most ancient Chinese writing was "invented."


So the Chin Dynasty was going through some age of enlightenment soon after Lao Tze and Confucious.

Now the Chinese people go back 4000years through there records in archaeology, this brings closer to the time of Melchizdek in Salem 2000 years before. The Shang people as I understand had strong influence in the China in those ancient times.

and apparently they may have had Sumerian influence with the Shang People which I can understand.

 

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They were a record of a people who called themselves Shang, and ruled lands surrounding Anyang some four thousand years ago. The objects embedded in the fields of Hsiao T'un came not from dragons but from tortoises and cattle. Shang kings desired to glimpse into the future, and their diviners inscribed the royal inquiries on a carefully scraped and polished tortoise shell or ox blade or leg bone.

Years later the People's Republic of China archaeologists uncovered thousands more Shang oracle bones. Corps of learned people created a whole new branch of linguistic study, Jia gu shu, the study of shell and bone writing. As scholars pored over the writings of ancient diviners, they reached a provocative conclusion: Shang writing was not the oldest Chinese writing, not by a thousand years at least. The characters used then were already so sophisticated that they undoubtedly had many centuries of development behind them. Very little is known pre-Shang writing. The Shang Dynasty (1766-1122 BC) is the first documented era of ancient China. The highly developed hierarchy consisted of a king, nobles, commoners, and slaves. The capital city was Anyang, in north Henan Province.

Some scholars have suggested
that travelers from Mesopotamia and from Southeast Asia brought agricultural methods to China, which stimulated the growth of ancient Chinese civilization . If so, there may be a direct connection with Sumer.

The Shang peoples were known for their use of jade, bronze, horse-drawn chariots, ancestor worship, and highly organized armies . A significant aspect of China is its long cultural and national history. The Chinese people have shared a common culture longer than any other group on Earth. The Chinese writing system dates back almost 4,000 years.
 


very interesting!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 05:40 AM


web page

 

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5. THE STRUGGLE FOR TRUTH IN CHINA
As the Salem missionaries passed through Asia, spreading the doctrine of the Most High God and salvation through faith, they absorbed much of the philosophy and religious thought of the various countries traversed. But the teachers commissioned by Melchizedek and his successors did not default in their trust; they did penetrate to all peoples of the Eurasian continent, and it was in the middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived in China.
At See Fuch, for more than one hundred years, the Salemites maintained their headquarters, there training Chinese teachers who taught throughout all the domains of the yellow race.

It was in direct consequence of this teaching that the earliest form of Taoism arose in China, a vastly different religion than the one which bears that name today. Early or proto-Taoism was a compound of the following factors:

1. The lingering teachings of Singlangton, which persisted in the concept of Shang-ti, the God of Heaven. In the times of Singlangton the Chinese people became virtually monotheistic; they concentrated their worship on the One Truth, later known as the Spirit of Heaven, the universe ruler. And the yellow race never fully lost this early concept of Deity, although in subsequent centuries many subordinate gods and spirits insidiously crept into their religion.

2. The Salem religion of a Most High Creator Deity who would bestow his favor upon mankind in response to man's faith. But it is all too true that, by the time the Melchizedek missionaries had penetrated to the lands of the yellow race, their original message had become considerably changed from the simple doctrines of Salem in the days of Machiventa.

3. The Brahman-Absolute concept of the Indian philosophers, coupled with the desire to escape all evil. Perhaps the greatest extraneous influence in the eastward spread of the Salem religion was exerted by the Indian teachers of the Vedic faith, who injected their conception of the Brahman--the Absolute--into the salvationistic thought of the Salemites.
 


and now information about Haung de

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Emperor

at around the time when the Melchizedek truth was spreading to China.

 

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Yellow Emperor
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Huangdi


Chinese: 黄帝
Hanyu Pinyin: Huángdì
Literal meaning: Yellow emperor
[show]Transliterations
Mandarin
- Hanyu Pinyin: Huángdì
- Wade-Giles: Huang2 ti4

Huangdi, or the Yellow Emperor, is a legendary Chinese sovereign and cultural hero who is considered in Chinese mythology to be the ancestor of all Han Chinese . One of the legendary Five Emperors, it was written in the Shiji by historian Sima Qian (145 BC-90 BC) that the Huangdi reigned from 2697 BC to 2598 BC. He emerged as a chief deity of Taoism during the Han Dynasty (202 BC-220 AD). The legend of his victory in the war against Emperor Chi You at the Battle of Zhuolu is seen as the establishment of the Han Chinese nationality.

Among his many accomplishments, Huangdi has been credited with the invention of the principles of Traditional Chinese medicine. The Huangdi Neijing (黄帝内經 Inner Canon of Huangdi) was supposedly composed in collaboration with his physician Qibo.
However, modern historiographers generally consider it to have been compiled from ancient sources by a scholar living between the Zhou and Han dynasties, more than 2,000 years later.

His interest in natural health and preventing and treating diseases, according to historical sources, meant he lived to the age of 100, and
attained immortality after his physical death.
 


and this part from the Urantia working on the timeline of Huangdi

 

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and it was in the middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived in China.

and

Huangdi reigned from
2697 BC to 2598 BC.


apparently in Chinese early Salemites religion the Land of the Gods to the West, this ultimately points to Dalamatia City and 1Eden where the Sons Gods did live.

A fragment on page search of Western Paradise another name for Land of the Gods.

https://eee.uci.edu/faculty/losh/resources/in-class/JTWglossary.html

 

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QUEEN MOTHER OF THE WEST the Taoist goddess who rules over the western paradise and is the head of a pantheon of goddesses and female immortals. In her garden, she grows the peaches of immortality. Page 39.

and this connection with the Urantia Book regarding the Land of the Gods in Chinese early religion.

Land of the Gods that relates to Western Paradise.

line 141: The later waves of Andites brought with them certain of the cultural advances of Mesopotamia; this is especially true of the last waves of migration from the west.
They greatly improved the economic and educational practices of the northern Chinese; and while their influence upon the religious culture of the yellow race was short-lived , their later descendants contributed much to a subsequent spiritual awakening. But the Andite traditions of the beauty of Eden and Dalamatia did influence Chinese traditions; early Chinese legends place "the land of the gods" in the west .


and another fragment of reflections of Taoism.

http://www.tparents.org/library/unification/books/world-s/WS-05-01.htm
 

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Tao gave them birth; The power of Tao reared them, Shaped them according to their kinds, Perfected them, giving to each its strength. Therefore of the ten thousand things there is not one that does not worship Tao and do homage to its power. Yet no mandate ever went forth that accorded to Tao the right to be worshipped, nor to its power the right to receive homage. It was always and of itself so.

Therefore as Tao bore them and the power of Tao reared them, made them grow, fostered them, harbored them, brewed for them, so you must Rear them, but do not lay claim to them; Control them, but never lean upon them, Be their steward, but do not manage them. This is called the Mysterious Power.

Taoism. Tao Te Ching 51


and here is another link where it connects Chinese religion to the land of Gods in the West


http://www.discoveryangtze.com/Yangtzediscovery/what_to_see_in_shanghai_2.htm
 

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FA ZANG JIANG SI
A Buddhist Temple located at the comer of Fuxing Lu and Ji An Lu, within walking distance from Huaihai Zhong Lu and Huangpi Nan Lu metro station. It is an impressive pre-revolutionary temple. During the Cultural Revolution it was a factory, much like Chenghuang Miao was. A community of resident monks lives here. The worshippers and monks are friendly and welcome the chance to explain their faith to visitors.
They belong to the Pure Land Sect which worships Amitabha Pusa or Om-i-to-fu. This sect has an almost Christian belief in an after-death rebirth in a Western Land or Pure Land similar to heaven.
 




And this land to the west points to Dalamatia City and 1stEden of Cyprus both submerged.

Apprently this place is on the Yangste ze River and is most likely the location of where there was once a colony of Salemites Perhaps this is
See Fuch in the Urantia and in China
FA ZANG JIANG SI maybe!!

sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 06:36 AM


The supreme belief of Taoism is "Tao" (the Way), which is indescribable and beyond human perception and understanding. "Tao" is believed to be the origin of the universe, the basis of the existence of all creatures, and the laws of development and change ruling all creatures. "Tao" sublimates into the qi (vital energy or breath), and gathers to form the Three Purities, i.e., the Celestial Worthy of Primordial Beginning or Jade Purity, the Celestial Worthy of Numinous Treasure or Highest Purity, and the Celestial Worthy of the Tao and its Virtue or Supreme Purity. Below the Three Purities, the emanations of Tao are a mass of deities such as the Jade Emperor, the Four Heavenly Emperors and the Five Emperors of the Five Directions, and the immortals who humans can become through self-cultivation. Deities and immortals, models in achieving Tao, make it their duty to teach and redeem all creatures, and are therefore worshiped by the Taoism followers.



http://english.hanban.edu.cn/english/daodejingforum/208124.htm

another link

http://www.china.org.cn/english/daodejingforum/208124.htm

and connection to Seven

 

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The God of the Town

Stellar Sovereigns of the Five Planets and Seven Stars

The Stellar Sovereigns of the Five Planets and
Seven Stars are seven Taoist deities . The Five Planets are the Year Star (Jupiter), the Sparkling Deluder (Mars), the Grand White Star (Venus), the Chronographic Star (Mercury), and the Quelling Star (Saturn). Together with the sun and moon, they are also called the Seven Stars. Taoism worships the Seven Stars as spirits and calls them Stellar Sovereigns. In early ancient times, people began to worship the sun, moon and stars.
 


All connections and parallels
 

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Xiwang Mu. She is the highest ranking of all female deities, the Queen Mother of the West guards the Taoist Peach of Immortality. Any who partakes of this fruit (or receives the blessing of the Queen Mother of the West) attains immortality. She is almost always depicted as a stately matriarch holding one of her peaches.

http://tearoom.daozang.com/viewtopic.php?p=6903&sid=99be55c11386eec7b3aad98294f62afe



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and another great link.

 

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Emperor Huang-ti




Mysteries of the Yellow Emperor
Paul Stonehill

Evidence of 'Fifth Ancient Civilization' Found in China
Chinese and Japanese archaeologists claim they have discovered in China's southwestern province of Sichuan evidence of the fifth ancient civilization, Japan's Kyodo News reported Monday, October 28 1996. The evidence is an earthen stage, unearthed during a joint archaeology project and estimated to date back 4,500 years. It was found among the remains of an ancient castle near the banks of the Yangtze River 56 miles (90 km) southwest of the city of Chengdu. The archaeologists involved in the excavation project explain that the earthen stage, pointing to an advanced knowledge of construction techniques by those who built it, reinforces the possibility of a fifth civilization. The world's four oldest civilizations are known as Mesopotamia, Egypt, Indus and China's Yellow River. Carbon isotope analysis on earthenware found at the excavation site was used to help identify the age of the castle and stage.

It is a very significant discovery . We may be closer to solving the enigma of the "Yellow Emperor," Huang-ti (27th century B.C.), who, it is said, lived in those misty reaches of time before the Shang dynasty.


In the beginning

Archaeological evidence suggests that China is one of the cradles of the human race. The earliest known human in China, whose fossilized skull was unearthed in Shanxi Province in 1963, is believed to date back to 600,000 BC.[/ B]

Around the 4th or 3rd millennium BC, in the New Stone Age, great changes occurred in the lives of the ancient Chinese. Larger numbers of people began living together at settled places, cultivating land, and domesticating animals. These people made polished stone tools and built shelters in pit dwellings and beehive huts that were covered with reed roofs. [B]Such villages were found mostly in the area of the great bend of the Huang He on the North China Plain.
Despite its severe winters, this area was well suited to agriculture. In fact, it closely resembled the other cradles of ancient civilizations, such as the valley of the Nile in Egypt. As we will see, this is an important fact, because there are other striking similarities between the ancient civilizations. According to Chinese tradition, the Chinese people originated in the Huang He (Hwang Ho or Yellow River) valley. The legends tell of a creator, P'an Ku, who was succeeded by a series of heavenly, terrestrial, and human sovereigns . Rice was grown in eastern China circa 5500 BC, and about five centuries later an agricultural society developed in the Huang He valley.

The Emperor's legacy

Chinese civilization owes much to the legendary ruler. Agriculture and husbandry simultaneously developed in the ancient times when Huang-ti ruled. Silkworm raising was accomplished earliest in China. Yue Jue Shu says Emperor Huang-ti started the silk clothing industry and cultivated mulberry (for silkworms) and hemp; as the Chinese archaeologists state "it is from historical records" (Selections of Chinese Relics and Archaeology, Foreign Languages Press, Beijing, 1995). We should be grateful that at least some historical records reach to us from the mists of time.
Ancient scribes took care to leave us an incredible tale of a very strange being, the one they called the "Yellow Emperor." And it was in Huang-ti's age that the most ancient Chinese writing was "invented."

Like other ancient peoples, the Chinese developed unique attributes. Their form of writing, developed by 2000 BC, was a complex system of picture writing using forms called ideograms, pictograms, and phonograms. Such early forms of Chinese became known through the discovery by archaeologists of oracle bones, which were bones with writings inscribed on them. They were used for fortune-telling and record keeping in ancient China. In 1899 a small group of Chinese scholars and antiquarians collected quantities of inscribed bones from the fields around Hsiao T'un. Five years passed before enough symbols could be deciphered to reveal the true nature of the "dragon bones."
They were a record of a people who called themselves Shang, and ruled lands surrounding Anyang some four thousand years ago. The objects embedded in the fields of Hsiao T'un came not from dragons but from tortoises and cattle. Shang kings desired to glimpse into the future, and their diviners inscribed the royal inquiries on a carefully scraped and polished tortoise shell or ox blade or leg bone.
Years later the People's Republic of China archaeologists uncovered thousands more Shang oracle bones. Corps of learned people created a whole new branch of linguistic study, Jia gu shu, the study of shell and bone writing. As scholars pored over the writings of ancient diviners, they reached a provocative conclusion: Shang writing was not the oldest Chinese writing, not by a thousand years at least. The characters used then were already so sophisticated that they undoubtedly had many centuries of development behind them. Very little is known pre-Shang writing.
The Shang Dynasty (1766-1122 BC) is the first documented era of ancient China. The highly developed hierarchy consisted of a king, nobles, commoners, and slaves. The capital city was Anyang, in north Henan Province. Some scholars have suggested that travelers from Mesopotamia and from Southeast Asia brought agricultural methods to China, which stimulated the growth of ancient Chinese civilization. If so, there may be a direct connection with Sumer. The Shang peoples were known for their use of jade, bronze, horse-drawn chariots, ancestor worship, and highly organized armies. A significant aspect of China is its long cultural and national history. The Chinese people have shared a common culture longer than any other group on Earth. The Chinese writing system dates back almost 4,000 years.


Ancient libraries

.The earliest known libraries were connected with palaces and temples. In China, records of the Shang dynasty were written on animal bones and tortoise shells. An early library called "The Healing Place of the Soul"; in the palace of Egypt's King Ramses II (1304?-1237 BC) at Thebes, consisted of thousands of papyrus scrolls. Among the most important libraries in the ancient Near East was the palace library of Ashurbanipal (668?-627? BC) at Nineveh in Assyria. This early type of national library, collected "for the sake of distant days" consisted of over 30,000 clay tablets. Early librarians were usually priests, teachers, or scholars. The first known Chinese librarian was the philosopher Lao Tse, who was appointed keeper of the royal historical records for the Chou rulers about 550 BC. There is a definite connection between Lao Tse and the Yellow Emperor.
Many cultures identify a sacred being as the creator of writing. In Egypt, the honor was shared by Thoth and Isis, while the ancient Greeks thanked Hermes for their writing words.
The Yellow Emperor was a highly gifted "Son of Heaven". Legend goes that he was the inventor of many things such as making clothes, manufacturing boats and vehicles, building houses and palaces, etc. He also had his court officials Lun Ling make musical instruments, Da Nao compile the Heavenly Stems and the Earthly Branches (The 10 Heavenly Stems and 12 Earthly Branches are used in combination to designate years, months, days and hours), and Ts'ang Chieh invent the Chinese characters. Thus, the Chinese tradition attributes the invention of writing to Ts'ang Chieh, a minister of the heroic "Yellow Emperor," Huang-ti.

When men first learned to write, "all spirits cried in agony, as the innermost secrets of nature were thus revealed."
 


That link was very interesting.

and

http://www.taoistsecret.com/taoistgod.html#1
The Three Pure Ones are the highest Deities in Taoism. “The Three Pure Ones” transcend the entire hierarchy of Taoist deities. In the middle is the ultimate highest deity of Taoism, the Primordial Heavenly Worthy. To your right is the Spiritual Treasure Heavenly Worthy, and to your left is the Supreme Way Heavenly Worthy.



Note: the halos or circles and when the triune are sitting together, the halos make the 3 co planar circles. This is an image of Triune God, the trinity. The remnant of the Salem teachings in China that came out of See Fuch.

and the Jade emperor.

Note the 3 co planar circles around his head!

This is the link in symbolism that links the Chinese people through there ancient Salemite influenced religion Tao to this current journey in symbolism that leads straight to the ancient places Dalamatia City and 1stEden and Vans highland headquarters, the homes of the tree of life in the evolution of the timeline of its presence on earth. I believe these series of posts uncovers a pathway of truth for the Chinese people to this uplift of religion worldwide and to the former places of old.


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 08:32 AM


The Yangtze River



web page

The Urantia Book

 

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PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

line 122:
Twenty thousand years ago the ancestors of the Chinese had built up a dozen strong centers of primitive culture and learning, especially along the Yellow River and the Yangtze. And now these centers began to be reinforced by the arrival of a steady stream of superior blended peoples from Sinkiang and Tibet.

The migration from Tibet to the Yangtze valley was not so extensive as in the north, neither were the Tibetan centers so advanced as those of the Tarim basin. But both movements carried a certain amount of Andite blood eastward to the river settlements.

line 139: The northern centers of culture along the Yellow River had always been more progressive than the southern settlements on the Yangtze. Within a few thousand years after the arrival of even the small numbers of these superior mortals, the settlements along the Yellow River had forged ahead of the Yangtze villages and had achieved an advanced position over their brethren in the south which has ever since been maintained.


line 156: Between 4000 and 500 B.C. the political reunification of the yellow race was consummated, but the cultural union of the Yangtze and Yellow river centers had already been effected. This political reunification of the later tribal groups was not without conflict, but the societal opinion of war remained low; ancestor worship, increasing dialects, and no call for military action for thousands upon thousands of years had rendered this people ultrapeaceful.

Urantia web search Yangtze


and a yellow river Map



Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 08:52 AM


Is this See Fuch as mentioned in the Urantia Book, Is that the early name for Shanghai??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai

 

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Shanghai is abbreviated in Chinese as Hù (沪) or Shēn (申). The former is derived from an ancient name for Suzhou Creek, Hu Du (沪渎), while the latter is derived from the name of Chunshen Jun (春申君), a nobleman and locally-revered hero of the Chu Kingdom in the 3rd century BC whose territory included the Shanghai area. Sports teams and newspapers in Shanghai often use the character Shēn (申) in their names. Shanghai is also commonly called Shēnchéng (申城, "City of Shēn"). The city has also had various nicknames in English, including "Paris of the East" and "Queen of the Orient".


and See Fuch Urantia

 

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PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

line 96: As the Salem missionaries passed through Asia, spreading the doctrine of the Most High God and salvation through faith, they absorbed much of the philosophy and religious thought of the various countries traversed. But the teachers commissioned by Melchizedek and his successors did not default in their trust; they did penetrate to all peoples of the Eurasian continent, and it was in the middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived in China.
At See Fuch, for more than one hundred years, the Salemites maintained their headquarters, there training Chinese teachers who taught throughout all the domains of the yellow race.


and a search on the Yellow river to see if there connections

 

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web page

PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

line 42: But even in the twentieth century after Christ there are traces of Andite blood among the Turanian and Tibetan peoples, as is witnessed by the blond types occasionally found in these regions.
The early Chinese annals record the presence of the red-haired nomads to the north of the peaceful settlements of the Yellow River, and there still remain paintings which faithfully record the presence of both the blond-Andite and the brunet-Mongolian types in the Tarim basin of long ago.

line 122: Twenty thousand years ago the ancestors of the Chinese had built up a dozen strong centers of primitive culture and learning, especially along the Yellow River and the Yangtze. And now these centers began to be reinforced by the arrival of a steady stream of superior blended peoples from Sinkiang and Tibet. The migration from Tibet to the Yangtze valley was not so extensive as in the north, neither were the Tibetan centers so advanced as those of the Tarim basin. But both movements carried a certain amount of Andite blood eastward to the river settlements.

line 138: About fifteen thousand years ago the Andites, in considerable numbers, were traversing the pass of Ti Tao and spreading out over the upper valley of the Yellow River among the Chinese settlements of Kansu. Presently they penetrated eastward to Honan, where the most progressive settlements were situated. This infiltration from the west was about half Andonite and half Andite.

line 139: The northern centers of culture along the Yellow River had always been more progressive than the southern settlements on the Yangtze. Within a few thousand years after the arrival of even the small numbers of these superior mortals, the settlements along the Yellow River had forged ahead of the Yangtze villages and had achieved an advanced position over their brethren in the south which has ever since been maintained.

line 156: Between 4000 and 500 B.C. the political reunification of the yellow race was consummated, but the cultural union of the Yangtze and Yellow river centers had already been effected. This political reunification of the later tribal groups was not without conflict, but the societal opinion of war remained low; ancestor worship, increasing dialects, and no call for military action for thousands upon thousands of years had rendered this people ultrapeaceful.

PAPER 81 - DEVELOPMENT OF MODERN CIVILIZATION, Oct 19 2000

line 78: The climatic destruction of the rich, open grassland hunting and grazing grounds of Turkestan, beginning about 12,000 B.C., compelled the men of those regions to resort to new forms of industry and crude manufacturing. Some turned to the cultivation of domesticated flocks, others became agriculturists or collectors of water-borne food, but the higher type of Andite intellects chose to engage in trade and manufacture.
It even became the custom for entire tribes to dedicate themselves to the development of a single industry. From the valley of the Nile to the Hindu Kush and from the Ganges to the Yellow River, the chief business of the superior tribes became the cultivation of the soil, with commerce as a side line.


I see many connections there.

The following seems very close to See Fuch maybe a little speculation here.

quote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzhou_Creek

Suzhou Creek (Chinese: 苏州河; pinyin: Sūzhōu Hé; Wade-Giles: Su-chou-ho; literally "Suzhou River") is a river in China that passes through the Shanghai city centre. It is named after Suzhou, a city in neighbouring Jiangsu province which was the predominant city in this area prior to the rise of Shanghai as a metropolis


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Changan china could this be See Fuch

 

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Definition:
Chang'an is the name of one of the most important ancient capital cities of China. Known as the eastern terminal of the Silk Road, Chang'an is located in Shaanxi Province near Xi'An. Chang'an served as capital to the Han, Sui, and Tang dynasty leaders.
The city was first constructed beginning about 200 BC at the behest of Emperor Gao Zu; it was destroyed in AD 904.

A wall encloses an area of approximately 84 square kilometers. Chang'an's most striking building
is perhaps the Temple of Heaven, a pounded earth platform of four concentric rings , built during the Tang Dynasty. In 1970, a hoard of 1000 silver and gold objects, as well as jade and other precious stones called the Hejiacun Hoard was discovered at Chang'an.
 


Another Melchizedek feature

four concentric rings , built during the Tang Dynasty.

http://archaeology.about.com/od/cterms/g/changan.htm

 

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-18-2008 06:08 AM

TiTao

Another amazing discovery guided by the Urantia Book.

Great Discovery.

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PREFACE
I was born on the Kansu-Tibetan border and lived most of the first fourteen years of my life in that region. I returned to that region as a missionary under the Christian and Missionary Alliance in 1928 and, with the exception of one year (1927-1928), lived and worked among the peoples of this part of northwestern China and northeastern Tibet until 1936. The years from l923 tol925 were spent principally among the Chinese and Moslems of the region; from 1928 on I was for the most part among the Tibetans, though necessity or choice frequently sent my wife and me to the Chinese side of the border.

Our first station was Titao, in Kansu, where I was in charge of the school work of the mission. Here, as part-time courtesy teacher in the government normal school, I was fortunate enough to be in close contact with the scholars and intellectuals of the region. Other evangelical work took me on many trips through the Chinese and Moslem districts described in this paper and created many opportunities for close association with the inhabitants of the Chinese and Moslem villages. Assignment to various missions brought me in touch, as well, with some of the Moslem military and religious teachers.

http://www.case.edu/affil/tibet/booksAndPapers/EKVALL.htm

Amazing, it came out of a Missionary of the Gospel diary!

Now Honan is further to the East and is the location of the Shaolin Monks in the province of Honan.

 

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The Shaolin Temples (monasteries) are possibly the most revered and famous structures in the history of all martial arts. The history of the Shaolin order is obscure and shrouded in myth and secrecy. Even from their beginnings, they were constant targets of bandits and rebellious soldiers. According to tradition, the first Shaolin Temple was built in Honan province sometime around 500 A.D., on Shao-shih Mountain south of Songshan Mountain, 50 miles west of Zhengzhou. Traditionally, this was the original temple. The name Shaolin means "small (young) forest." There is a legend about how the Honan Temple received this name . The story goes that before the temple was built, there was a forest there. It had been cleared or burned down by orders of Emperor Hsiao of the Northern Wei Dynasty. When construction started on the temple, the emperor's gardeners planted new trees.....

Because some people are not informed, they assume there was only one Shaolin Temple. They also assume that Honan Shaolin was the greatest and grandest. But contrary to popular belief, this is not necessarily the case, although the Honan Temple in the North appears to be the original. There were 2 main temples, the Northern and the Southern.


Its interesting that this journey seems to tie in the Sholin Monks and the roots of thier beliefs into this journey.

I also like to add that there Neolithic Site in Lanchow, Kansu near the TiTao pass

Here is a link the confirm this

Neolithic Site in Lanchow, Kansu China

There are other articles but there is a price to pay.

Anyway I following the Sinkiang Route which seems to be related ot Kansu and the TiTao pass.

Here is a fragment of a book on sale where there is mention of the Sinkiang and the Kansu Lanchow relationship.

 

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Chiang Kai-Shek: Marshal of China
Book by Sven Hedin, Bernard Norbelie; John Day, 1940
Subjects: Chiang, Kai-Shek--1887-1975
...Highway" from Sinkiang via Liangchow and Lanchow to Sian, I sensed a hurricane approaching...Urumchi, and another via Suchow and
Lanchow to Sian, then reached the capital of...of the road we had just traveled from Lanchow . Many troops belonging to the army of...


Is Sin another word for Sankiang??

Here is Urantia word search on Sankiang

Sinkiang Urantia

Here are fragment from the UB that open thes case up.

 

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PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

line 31:
For over twenty-five thousand years, on down to nearly 2000 B.C., the heart of Eurasia was predominantly, though diminishingly, Andite. In the lowlands of Turkestan the Andites made the westward turning around the inland lakes into Europe, while from the highlands of this region they infiltrated eastward. Eastern Turkestan (Sinkiang) and, to a lesser extent, Tibet were the ancient gateways through which these peoples of Mesopotamia penetrated the mountains to the northern lands of the yellow men. The Andite infiltration of India proceeded from the Turkestan highlands into the Punjab and from the Iranian grazing lands through Baluchistan. These earlier migrations were in no sense conquests; they were, rather, the continual drifting of the Andite tribes into western India and China.

line 32: For almost fifteen thousand years centers of mixed Andite culture persisted
in the basin of the Tarim River in Sinkiang and to the south in the highland regions of Tibet, where the Andites and Andonites had extensively mingled. The Tarim valley was the easternmost outpost of the true Andite culture. Here they built their settlements and entered into trade relations with the progressive Chinese to the east and with the Andonites to the north. In those days the Tarim region was a fertile land; the rainfall was plentiful. To the east the Gobi was an open grassland where the herders were gradually turning to agriculture. This civilization perished when the rain winds shifted to the southeast, but in its day it rivaled Mesopotamia itself.

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Twenty thousand years ago the ancestors of the Chinese had built up a dozen strong centers of primitive culture and learning, especially along the Yellow River and the Yangtze. And now these centers began to be reinforced by the arrival of a steady stream of superior blended peoples from Sinkiang and Tibet. The migration from Tibet to the Yangtze valley was not so extensive as in the north, neither were the Tibetan centers so advanced as those of the Tarim basin. But both movements carried a certain amount of Andite blood eastward to the river settlements.
 


The Tarim River Basin is the Sinkiang and they came through the TiTao pass and Lanchow in ancient times.

and here is a link regarding Lanchow and ancient findings

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/c-hist.html

also the article mentions of human remains 460,000 years old which makes sense to me and with the Urantia Information.

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According to Chinese tradition, the Chinese people originated in the Huang He (Hwang Ho or Yellow River) valley. The legends tell of a creator, P'an Ku, who was succeeded by a series of heavenly, terrestrial, and human sovereigns. Archaeological evidence is scant, although remains of Homo erectus, found near Beijing, have been dated back 460,000 years. Rice was grown in eastern China circa 5500 bc, and about five centuries later an agricultural society developed in the Huang He valley. There is strong evidence of two so-called pottery cultures, the Yang-shao culture (circa 3950- circa 1700 bc), and the Lung-shan culture (circa 2000- circa 1850 bc).
 


And note the legends of the Gods sounds very similiar to the Hierarchy of the Universe and replicated in Dalamatia City, sounds similiar to the one God message of old.

and look who ruled from Honan, seem to be an advanced settlement with Andite influence. And note the Melchizedek Missionaries arrived at about 2500BC.

 

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The Earliest Dynasties

Tradition names the Hsia (circa 1994- circa 1766 bc) as the first hereditary Chinese dynasty, which ended only when a Hsia ruler fell into debauchery, mistreated his people, and was overthrown. However, there is no archaeological record to confirm this story;
the Shang is the earliest dynasty for which reliable historical evidence exists.
The Shang Dynasty (C. 1766-c. 1027 BC)

The Shang dynasty ruled the territory of the present-day north-central Chinese provinces of Henan (Ho-nan), Hubei (Hupeh), and Shandong (Shantung) and the northern part of Anhui (An-hui).
The capital, from about 1384 bc on, was situated at Anyang near the northern border of Henan. The economy was based on agriculture. Millet, wheat, barley, and, possibly, some rice were grown. Silkworms were cultivated, and pigs, dogs, sheep, and oxen were raised. The Shang was an aristocratic society. At the head was a king who presided over a military nobility. Territorial rulers were appointed by him and compelled to support him in military endeavors. Between this aristocratic class and the commoners was a literate priestly class that kept the records of government and was responsible for divination. Shang people worshiped their ancestors and a multitude of gods, the principal of whom was known as Shang Ti, the Lord on High.


Interesting connection which makes an interesting journey that this journey opens Chinese religious history in the timeline and in the discovery.

And sure enough the Sinkiang is right where it supposed to be like everything in this journey. In red is the Sinkiang and borders with Gansu with Kansu at the TiTao pass where there was constant west to east migration going through this pass.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

Now ShangTi was a religion used in 2000BC by the Emporer. When you look at the fundamentals of the religion you soon realise that its is a one God religion and does reflect very much the Melchizedek teaching of the Hierachy of the Universe and of this planet in the Spiritual world and how the had representatives here supping of the tree of life.

 

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Shangdi

Shangdi (上帝, pinyin: Shàngdì, Wade-Giles Shang Ti) is the Supreme God in the original religious system of the Han Chinese people (see traditional Chinese religion), a term used from the second millennium BC to the present day, as pronounced according the modern Mandarin dialect. Literally the term means
"Above Emperor" or "Above Sovereign", which is taken to mean "Lord On High", "Highest Lord", "the God above", "the Supreme God", "Above ", or "Celestial Lord". Its meaning is similar to the term "dyeus" used by Indo-European peoples. Another title of Shangdi is simply Di (帝). Shangdi is chiefly associated with Heaven. From the earliest times of Chinese history, and especially from the Zhou Dynasty (周朝, 1122 BC to 256 BC) onwards, another name, Tian (天), is also used to refer to the Supreme God of the Chinese people (see Heaven worship). Tian is a word with multiple meanings in the ancient Chinese language; it can either mean the physical sky or the presiding God of Heaven. When Tian is used in the latter sense, it has the same meaning as Shangdi. By the time of the Han dynasty, the influential Confucian scholar Zheng Xuan declared that "Shangdi is another name for Tian". Shangdi is also the name given for God in the Standard Mandarin Union Version of the Bible. Shen 神 (lit. spirit, or deity) was also adopted by Protestant missionaries in China to refer to the Christian God. Shangdi is never represented with images or idols in Chinese tradition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi
 


Very interesting seeing the reflected Melchizedek truth in the ancient religion of Shang Di.

2500BC Melchizedek missionaries arrived and spread the truth at Fuch See, the reflected Melchizedek truth

By 2000BC the religion Shang Di was adopted by the Emperor,

600BC The Tao was written by Lao Tze and revived the Universe truth.

Then Confucius a contemporary of LaoTze wrote his book of wisdom.
And not to mention the teachings of MO Ti, service in the love for the Father.

You can see the whole track of the various growth periods and influences of the common one god religion in its varying forms and perceptions.

And to see it in the images with one book in one hand and through its words you find the information in the other hands is to me is wonderful and beautiful.

Shang Di
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi

This article contains Chinese text. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols instead of Chinese characters.

Shangdi (上帝, pinyin: Shàngdì, Wade-Giles Shang Ti) is the Supreme God in the original religious system of the Han Chinese people (see traditional Chinese religion), a term used from the second millennium BC to the present day, as pronounced according to the modern Mandarin dialect. Literally the term means "Above Emperor" or "Above Sovereign", which is taken to mean "Lord On High", "Highest Lord", "the God above", "the Supreme God", "Above ", or "Celestial Lord". Another title of Shangdi is simply Di (帝). Shangdi is chiefly associated with Heaven. From the earliest times of Chinese history, and especially from the Zhou Dynasty (周朝, 1122 BC to 256 BC) onwards, another name, Tian (天), is also used to refer to the Supreme God of the Chinese people (see Heaven worship). Tian is a word with multiple meanings in the ancient Chinese language; it can either mean the physical sky or the presiding God of Heaven. When Tian is used in the latter sense, it has the same meaning as Shangdi. By the time of the Han dynasty, the influential Confucian scholar Zheng Xuan declared that "Shangdi is another name for Tian." Shangdi is never represented with images or idols in Chinese tradition.

 

and

Other classics mention Shangdi as well (a formalized analysis showing the development of the term over time would be useful). Another "Classic" collection, the Four Books (四書, pinyin: Sì Shū), mentions Shangdi also, but it is a later compilation and the references are much more sparse and abstract. The highest amount of occurrences appear to be in the earliest references; and this may reflect the cultural development (or rejection) towards ShangDi as a whole over time.

One of the five books in the Wujing is the Classic of History, (書經, pinyin: Shujing), aka Book of History, aka Esteemed Book (尚書, pinyin: Shangshu). The Shujing is possibly the earliest narrative of China, and may predate the European historian Herodotus (about 440 BC) as a history by many centuries. This implies that Shangdi is the oldest deity directly referenced in China by any Chinese narrative literature. The Shujing itself is also divided into 5 parts, and those parts were actually considered books as well. However, the number of books or "documents" is a division that varies largely on the version or compilation; thus quoted references may not match unless you use the same compilation.

The 2nd of the 5 "books" inside the Shujing is called the "Book of Yu" (虞書, pinyin: Yushu). Yu, in this title, is a location, not the popular hero 禹 Yu. This "book" has 4 "chapters"; and the 1st "chapter" is called the "Canon of Shun" (舜典, pinyin: ShunDian). Emperor Shun was the predecessor to the heroic Da Yu (大禹), or Great Yu, the first emperor of the Xia Dynasty. About the third sentence is the first mention of ShangDi. And, as it was mentioned in the previous section how yearly sacrifices to ShangDi were made by Emperor Shun,[1] it appears that, according to Confucius, the Chinese belief in ShangDi predates the Xia Dynasty.

interesting

combined, has the sound of a name I'm familiar with.  Di Da Yu

and more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Yu

Da Yu in mythology

In many versions of the Flood mythology, Yu seems to be in possession of god-like characteristics. For example, his brilliant engineering idea was, according to some, caused by the "Divine Favour" of the "responding dragon and turtle." Yu is further mythologized when it is claimed that he was born from the corpse of his father, Gun.

According to legend, Yu created the Sanmenxia "Three Passes Gorge" by cutting a mountain ridge with a divine battle-axe (Yue) to control flooding.

 


Its seems to me that the original religion of Shangdi...Faith, did deteriorate over time to dragon/snake worship with sacrifices. It appears that the original message was lost but the base fundamentals of the highest hierarchy was kept intact.

Some links to some pots that have the same triangle motifs like that found of the pots of 2nd Susa.

http://earlytibet.com/about/whereabouts/

http://www.rugreview.com/atroc/atrocneo.htm

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Note the triangles! the Vees and the 3 concentric circles in the above. All reflective in the current journey of symbolism.

Triangle and diamonds in the Neolithic era.

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All reflective in the current journey of symbolism.

http://www.rugreview.com/atroc/atroneo2.htm

Perhaps reflective of the 10 divisions of Dalamatia City divided up into 5 domicile homed divisions.

Perhaps all reflective in design as the land of the Gods.

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and this very interesting Vase that contains all the symbols of both Dalamatia City and 1stEden. The triangles and the concentric circles, all reflective of the Land of the Gods, the original first places in design and thier symbols.

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http://www.rugreview.com/atroc/atroneo2.htm

Alot of these artifacts came from the 3500 Year BC period before the Melchizedek missionaries and the religions then would of migrated directly from the legends of Vans highland place and including legends of Dalamatia City and 1stEden with all their reflective symbols in those days.

The religious influences and symbols would of come with the Andites, a blend of Nodite and Adamite progeny and including all their reflective symbols of the cities of the Gods in design.



very interesting!
Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-19-2008 02:21 AM


Here is another vase with the same Vee triangle design.

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Note that as the years progress the design and symbols become more predominant. Perhaps evidence of Andite infusion into the general populations with their skills and knowledge.

and Dalamatia City

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Pictures of Kanzu

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/China/West/Xinjiang/Kansu/

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-19-2008 03:41 AM


http://www.sacred-destinations.com/china/mogao-caves.htm

 

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The Mogao Caves (aka Mogao Grottoes, Caves of the Thousand Buddhas, or Caves of Dunhuang) are a system of Buddhist cave temples near the city of Dunhuang in Gansu province. They were a center of culture on the Silk Road from the 4th to the 14th centuries and contain a religious artworks spanning that entire period. There are about 600 surviving cave temples, of which 30 are open to the public.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindutash

sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-19-2008 04:14 AM


Finally I may have found a path may lead to See Fuch as from the Urantia Book.

However, The right pronouncement might be be SUIFU

 

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CHAPTER V.
THE JOURNEY FROM CHUNGKING TO
SUIFU —CHINESE INNS

CHAPTER VI.
THE CITY OF SUIFU —THE CHINA INLAND MISSION, WITH SOME GENERAL REMARKS ABOUT MISSIONARIES IN CHINA



ON THE MAIN-ROAD TO SUIFU.

http://pratyeka.org/books/australian-in-china/
 


Yea! See Fuch or SuiFu or Sui Fu

The only map I can find on SuiFu is here

http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/china/map/m2680543/suifu.html

It seems further to the south in a very isolated area and is some distance from the TiTao Pass and Kansu.

Apparently the Melchizedek had a headquarters there for a 100 years.

Here is a image of SuiFu
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The Abbot of Suifu

http://www.cheirology.net/cheirologicalsociety/chingreal.htm

 

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Sui Caves (581-618)
The Sui dynasty was short-lived but dynamic, and the caves of this period show a marked decrease in Western influences. There was a boom in Buddhism and Buddhist art in this period, and more than 70 caves were carved out at Mogao in the laste four decades.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/china/mogao-caves.htm


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The Sui caves dispense with the central column and replace the bold Wei brushwork with intricate, flowing lines and an increasingly extravagent use of color (including gold and silver). Statues become more stiff and inflexible and are dressed in Chinese robes.

In cave 150 (617 AD), narrative has been replaced with a repeated theme of enthroned Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. Cave 427 contains some characteristic Sui figures - short legs, long bodies (symbolizing power and divinity) and big, square heads.


and

 

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"At Suifu, two old cypress trees are worshipped as divinities. It is not that gods dwell in them, but that the trees themselves are gods. They are said to have been planted in the Ming Dynasty, or possibly earlier. It is asserted that they once made a pilgrimage to Mt. Omei. I have been told by aged priests who were experts in such traditions that very old trees, especially cypress trees, are able, after many ears, to develop into tree deities. There is a tendency in some localities to burn incense to aged trees or the stumps of these trees

 


http://xiakou.uncc.edu/chapters/belief/bodybeliefstate.htm

trees representative of immortality.

 

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The Urantia Book
But the Salemites did not labor in vain. It was upon the foundations of their gospel that the great philosophers of sixth-century China built their teachings. The moral atmosphere and the spiritual sentiments of the times of Lao-tse and Confucius grew up out of the teachings of the Salem missionaries of an earlier age.


Great Discoveries and pathways for future expeditions.

web page

The location of Suifu is quite interesting in symbolism. Its like two branches of a river that join and become one. Like the triune! and you have a large hill right in the middle of the river join.

Pictures of the Suifu Hill and the location.

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Nezha information
video
Little Nezha Fights Great Dragon Kings (Part 7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4_f-9ODqpA

and

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/chinese-mythology.php?deity=LI-NEZHA

Its like a triangle mountain. Look familiar and note the house of the Boy God which shows the mount had spiritual and religious significance.

Another Suifu hill view in front of the triune Hills.

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I wonder if the Boy God temple is a dormant prophecy ready to be rediscovered in truth.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-21-2008 06:25 AM


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The Urantia Book

Lao-tse built directly upon the concepts of the Salem traditions when he declared Tao to be the One First Cause of all creation. Lao was a man of great spiritual vision. He taught that "man's eternal destiny was everlasting union with Tao, Supreme God and Universal King." His comprehension of ultimate causation was most discerning, for he wrote: "Unity arises out of the Absolute Tao, and from Unity there appears cosmic Duality, and from such Duality, Trinity springs forth into existence, and Trinity is the primal source of all reality." "All reality is ever in balance between the potentials and the actuals of the cosmos, and these are eternally harmonized by the spirit of divinity."

Lao-tse also made one of the earliest presentations of the doctrine of returning good for evil:
"Goodness begets goodness, but to the one who is truly good, evil also begets goodness."

He taught the return of the creature to the Creator and pictured life as the emergence of a personality from the cosmic potentials, while death was like the

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returning home of this creature personality. His concept of true faith was unusual, and he too likened it to the
"attitude of a little child."

His understanding of the eternal purpose of God was clear, for he said: "The Absolute Deity does not strive but is always victorious; he does not coerce mankind but always stands ready to respond to their true desires; the will of God is eternal in patience and eternal in the inevitability of its expression."
And of the true religionist he said, in expressing the truth that it is more blessed to give than to receive: "The good man seeks not to retain truth for himself but rather attempts to bestow these riches upon his fellows, for that is the realization of truth. The will of the Absolute God always benefits, never destroys; the purpose of the true believer is always to act but never to coerce."

Lao's teaching of nonresistance and the distinction which he made between
action and coercion became later perverted into the beliefs of "seeing, doing, and thinking nothing." But Lao never taught such error, albeit his presentation of nonresistance has been a factor in the further development of the pacific predilections of the Chinese peoples.

But the popular Taoism of twentieth-century Urantia has very little in common with the lofty sentiments and the cosmic concepts of the old philosopher who
taught the truth as he perceived it, which was: That faith in the Absolute God is the source of that divine energy which will remake the world , and by which man ascends to spiritual union with Tao, the Eternal Deity and Creator Absolute of the universes.

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7. GAUTAMA SIDDHARTHA
Contemporary with Lao-tse and Confucius in China, another great teacher of truth arose in India. Gautama Siddhartha was born in the sixth century before Christ in the north Indian province of Nepal. His followers later made it appear that he was the son of a fabulously wealthy ruler, but, in truth, he was the heir apparent to the throne of a petty chieftain who ruled by sufferance over a small and secluded mountain valley in the southern Himalayas.

Gautama formulated those theories which grew into the philosophy of Buddhism after six years of the futile practice of Yoga. Siddhartha made a determined but unavailing fight against the growing caste system. There was a lofty sincerity and a unique unselfishness about this young prophet prince
that greatly appealed to the men of those days. He detracted from the practice of seeking individual salvation through physical affliction and personal pain. And he exhorted his followers to carry his gospel to all the world.

Amid the confusion and extreme cult practices of India, the saner and more moderate teachings of Gautama came as a refreshing relief. He denounced gods, priests, and their sacrifices, but he too failed to perceive the personality of the One Universal. Not believing in the existence of individual human souls, Gautama, of course, made a valiant fight against the time-honored belief in transmigration of the soul. He made a noble effort to deliver men from fear,
to make them feel at ease and at home in the great universe,
but he failed to show them
the pathway to that real and supernal home of ascending mortals--Paradise--and to the expanding service of eternal existence.


Gautama was a real prophet, and had he heeded the instruction
of the hermit Godad , he might have aroused all India by the inspiration of the revival of the Salem gospel of salvation by faith. Godad was descended through a family that had never lost the traditions of the Melchizedek missionaries.

At
Benares Gautama founded his school, and it was during its second year that a pupil, Bautan, imparted to his teacher the traditions of the Salem missionaries about the Melchizedek covenant with Abraham; and while Siddhartha did not have a very clear concept of the Universal Father, he took an advanced stand on salvation through faith--simple belief . He so declared himself before his followers and began sending his students out in groups of sixty to proclaim to the people of India "the glad tidings of free salvation; that all men, high and low, can attain bliss by faith in righteousness and justice."

Gautama's wife believed her husband's gospel and was the founder of an order of nuns. His son became his successor and greatly extended the cult; he

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When proclaimed at its best, Gautama's gospel of universal salvation, free from sacrifice, torture, ritual, and priests, was a revolutionary and amazing doctrine for its time.
grasped the new idea of salvation through faith but in his later years wavered regarding the Salem gospel of divine favor through faith alone, and in his old age his dying words were, "Work out your own salvation."

it still persists as the hope of millions of human beings. And it came surprisingly near to being a revival of the Salem gospel. It brought succor to millions of despairing souls, and notwithstanding its grotesque perversion during later centuries,

Siddhartha taught far more truth than has survived in the modern cults bearing his name.
Modern Buddhism is no more the teachings of Gautama Siddhartha than is Christianity the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth .


another link

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/SIDD.HTM

Varanasi or Benares?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varanasi

 

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Varanasi (Sanskrit: वाराणसी Vārāṇasī, pronunciation [ʋaːɾaːɳəsiː] (help·info)), also commonly known as Benares ([bə.naː.rəs]) or Banaras (Hindi: बनारस, Urdu: بنارس, Banāras pronunciation [bənɑːɾəs] (info)) and Kashi (Hindi: काशी Kāśī [kaː.ʃiː] (info)), is a city situated on the left (west) bank of the river Ganga (Ganges) in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh , regarded as holy by Hindus, Buddhists and Jains, and one of the oldest continually inhabited cities in the world[3][4].

The culture of Varanasi is closely associated with the river Ganges and the river's religious importance.
The city has been a cultural and religious centre in northern India for several thousand years. A particular style of classical Hindustani music developed in Varanasi centuries ago, and many prominent Indian philosophers, poets, writers, and musicians resided or reside in Varanasi, including Kabir, Ravi Das, Munshi Premchand, Jaishankar Prasad, Acharya Ram Chandra Shukla, Pandit Ravi Shankar, Hariprasad Chaurasia, and Ustad Bismillah Khan. Tulsidas wrote his Ramacharitamanas there, and Gautama Buddha gave his first sermon at Sarnath near Kashi. Ayurveda is said to have originated at Varanasi.

Varanasi is the home of Banaras Hindu University. Residents mainly speak Kashika Bhojpuri, which is closely related to the Hindi language. People often refer to
Varanasi as "the city of temples", "the holy city of India", "the religious capital of India", "the city of light", "the city of learning" and the "culture capital of India".[5]

American writer Mark Twain wrote, "Benares is older than history, older than tradition, older even than legend, and looks twice as old as all of them put together."[6]
 


The State of Utter Pradesh India.

 

and the city of Varanasi or Benares.

 An information confirming the location of Gutama Siddartha.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

Conception and birth
Siddhārtha was born more than 200 years before the reign of the Maurya king Aśoka (273–232 BCE).


The birth of Siddhartha, (2nd-3rd century).
Siddhartha was born in Lumbini[1] and raised in the small kingdom or principality of Kapilavastu. His father was King Suddhodana[citation needed], the chief of the Shakya nation, one of several ancient tribes in the growing state of Kosala; Gautama was the family name. As was the Shakya tradition, when his mother Queen Maya fell pregnant, she returned to her father's kingdom to give birth, but after leaving Kapilvastu, she gave birth along the way at Lumbini in a garden beneath a sal tree.


and information on Kosala

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosala

Kosala (Sanskrit: कोशल) was an ancient Indian Aryan kingdom, corresponding roughly in area with the region of Oudh. In sixth century BCE, Kosala formed one of the sixteen powerful realms of India (Mahajanapadas), and its cultural and political strength earned it the status of great power. Shravasti was the capital of Kosala Kingdom between 6th century BC to 6th century AD. However, it was later weakened by a series of wars with the neighboring kingdom of Magadha and, in the 4th century BC, was finally absorbed by it.

Kosala was the setting of much Sanskrit epic literature including the Ramayana, being ruled by the Raghuvamsa (Dynasty of Raghu) the family from which Rama hails. Buddha and Mahavira, the 24th Tirthankara of Jainism, taught in the kingdom. The King of Kosala was named King Pasenadi, and who was a follower of Buddha.
 


and information on Lubini, its probably where his Fathers little Kingdom existed in a valley in the foothills of the Himalayas.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumbini

Lumbini (Sanskrit: लुम्बिनी, "the lovely") is a Buddhist pilgrimage site located in Rupandehi District, Lumbini Zone of Nepal, near the Indian border. It is the place where Mayadevi gave birth to Siddhartha Gautama, who later became a Buddha (Gautama Buddha), and founded the religion of Buddhism. Gautama Buddha lived between approximately 563 BCE and 483 BCE. For Buddhists, this is one of the four main pilgrimage sites based around the life of Gautama Buddha, the other three being Kushinagar, Bodh Gaya, and Sarnath.

Lumbini is located in the foothill of Himalaya [1] and 25 km east of the municipality of Kapilavastu , the place where the Buddha grew up and lived up to the age of 29. Kapilvastu is the name of place as well as the neighbouring district. Lumbini has various Buddhist temples including the Mayadevi temple and many which are presently (2007) under construction. There is also the Puskarini pond and remains of Kapilvastu palace in Lumbini. There are other sites near Lumbini where, according to Buddhist tradition, previous Buddhas were born and achieved enlightenment and died.


Here is a Map and Lumbini is located to the South.



and here is the small secluded highland valley where c Siddhartha was Born Lumbini. His father was the chieftain South or of Annapurna.




A Royal temple in Lubini, the home of Buddha, note the circles of the temple design!



Ashoka? Who was Ashoka?

Pillar of Ashoka in Lumbini



The pillar of Ashoka in Vaishali.



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PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE ORIENT,

line 175: Buddhism prospered because it offered salvation through belief in the Buddha, the enlightened one.
It was more representative of the Melchizedek truths than any other religious system to be found throughout eastern Asia.

But Buddhism did not become widespread as a religion until it was espoused in self-protection
by the low-caste monarch Asoka, who, next to Ikhnaton in Egypt , was one of the most remarkable civil rulers between Melchizedek and Michael.

Asoka built a great Indian empire through the propaganda of his Buddhist missionaries. During a period of twenty-five years he trained and sent forth more than seventeen thousand missionaries to the farthest frontiers of all the known world.

In one generation he made Buddhism the dominant religion of one half the world.
It soon became established in Tibet, Kashmir, Ceylon, Burma, Java, Siam, Korea, China, and Japan.

And generally speaking, it was a religion vastly superior to those which it supplanted or upstepped.


Wow! Asoka is an amazing character and who influenced some many people with his thoughts and action in Buddhism.

Here are some links to confirm Asoka



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoka_the_Great

This is the emblem of Asoka



 

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Asoka (Devanāgarī: अशोकः, IAST: Aśokaḥ, IPA: [aɕoːkə(hə)], Prakrit Imperial title: Devanampriya Priyadarsi (Devanāgarī: देवानांप्रिय प्रियदर्शी), "He who is the beloved of the Gods and who regards everyone amiably") and Dhamma (Devanāgarī: धम्मः), "Lawful, Religious, Righteous") (304 BC – 232 BC) was an Indian emperor, of the Maurya Dynasty who ruled from 273 BC to 232 BC. Often cited as one of India's greatest emperors, Ashoka reigned over most of present-day India after a number of military conquests. His empire stretched from present-day Pakistan, Afghanistan and parts of Persia in the west, to the present-day Bengal and Assam states of India in the east, and as far south as the Mysore state. His reign was headquartered in Magadha (present-day Bihar state of India). He embraced Buddhism from the prevalent Vedic tradition after witnessing the mass deaths of the war of Kalinga, which he himself had waged out of a desire for conquest. He was later dedicated in the propagation of Buddhism across Asia and established monuments marking several significant sites in the life of Gautama Buddha.

His name "aśoka" means "without sorrow" in Sanskrit. In his edicts, he is referred to as Devānāmpriya (Devanāgarī: देवानांप्रिय)/Devānaṃpiya or
"The Beloved Of The Gods", and Priyadarśin (Devanāgarī: प्रियदर्शी)/Piyadassī or "He who regards everyone amiably".

Science fiction novelist H. G. Wells wrote of Asoka:

In the history of the world there have been thousands of kings and emperors who called themselves 'their highnesses,' 'their majesties,' and 'their exalted majesties' and so on. They shone for a brief moment, and as quickly disappeared.
But Ashoka shines and shines brightly like a bright star, even unto this day.

Along with the Edicts of Ashoka, his legend is related in the later 2nd century
Aśokāvadāna ("Narrative of Asoka") and Divyāvadāna ("Divine narrative"), and in the Sinhalese text Mahavamsa ("Great Chronicle").

An emblem excavated from his empire is today the national emblem of India.

 


and here are the cities where he left his mark, his edits



 

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http://www.humanistictexts.org/asoka.htm

Introduction
Asoka (c. 300-232 BCE) was born into the Mauryan royal family. After his father’s death, he became in 270 BCE the ruler of an empire extending from Afghanistan to Bengal, and covering the Ganges plain and the Deccan plateau. He pushed out the boundaries of his empire during the next decade, conquering Kalinga in 262 BCE. In this way he unified nearly all of India under his rule. He converted to Buddhism in 260 BCE and thenceforth propagated ideals of tolerance, equality, and public service.

After his conversion, Asoka promulgated the main ethical teachings of the Buddha, expressed in what Asoka referred to as the Dharma. He did this by means of traveling ministers (Dharma-Mhamatras) and by having edicts setting forth his philosophy carved into stone pillars and cliff faces. He expressed remorse over the loss of life and suffering caused by his seizure of Kalinga, and decreed that in future the only form of conquest should be by the diffusion of Buddha’s teachings. In keeping with his philosophy, Asoka instituted various public works—such as the digging of wells and planting of shade trees—and attempted to provide health services for all.

What we know of Asoka’s life comes from the stone edicts, which contain his own words, and from legends that were initially handed down orally but later were set down in manuscripts. Most of the legends appear to be the words of monks anxious to impress the laity with stories of the miraculous.
But there is also an account of a third Buddhist council convened by Asoka, where an attempt was made to reconcile the practices of the many different Buddhist sects emerging over three centuries.

The interpretation Asoka gave to the teachings of the Buddha can only be inferred from the inscriptions that remain. He makes no mention of the Four Noble Truths or the Eightfold Way, but emphasizes the everyday, practical parts of the latter.
In general, Asoka appears to have interpreted the Dharma as law, duty, and righteousness, elaborating it as a prohibition of the killing of men or animals, a social policy of welfare, and as admonitions to observe ethical behavior and religious tolerance. That these ideals should be propagated by monuments designed to endure the centuries shows a humanistic concern that receives little emphasis in the monuments of Egypt and Babylon. Extracts from the words of Asoka contained in his edicts follow.
 




and the four River valley religions from the one source influenced by the Melchizedek Missionaries in different cultures and other later prophets.


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-23-2008 01:18 PM


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9. THE SPREAD OF BUDDHISM
Buddhism prospered because it offered salvation through belief in the Buddha, the enlightened one. It was more representative of the Melchizedek truths than any other religious system to be found throughout eastern Asia. But Buddhism did not become widespread as a religion until it was espoused in self-protection by the low-caste monarch Asoka, who, next to Ikhnaton in Egypt, was one of the most remarkable civil rulers between Melchizedek and Michael. Asoka built a great Indian empire through the propaganda of his Buddhist missionaries. During a period of twenty-five years he trained and sent forth more than seventeen thousand missionaries to the farthest frontiers of all the known world. In one generation he made Buddhism the dominant religion of one half the world. It soon became established in Tibet, Kashmir, Ceylon, Burma, Java, Siam, Korea, China, and Japan. And generally speaking, it was a religion vastly superior to those which it supplanted or upstepped.

The spread of Buddhism from its homeland in India to all of Asia is one of the thrilling stories of the spiritual devotion and missionary persistence of sincere religionists. The teachers of Gautama's gospel not only braved the perils of the overland caravan routes but faced the dangers of the China Seas as they pursued their mission over the Asiatic continent, bringing to all peoples the message of their faith.

But this Buddhism was no longer the simple doctrine of Gautama; it was the miraculized gospel which made him a god.

And the farther Buddhism spread from its highland home in India, the more unlike the teachings of Gautama it became, and the more like the religions it supplanted, it grew to be.


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Buddhism, later on,
was much affected by Taoism in China, Shinto in Japan, and Christianity in Tibet. After a thousand years, in India Buddhism simply withered and expired.

It became Brahmanized and later abjectly surrendered to Islam, while throughout much of the rest of the Orient
it degenerated into a ritual which Gautama Siddhartha would never have recognized.

In the south the fundamentalist stereotype of the teachings of Siddhartha persisted in Ceylon, Burma, and the Indo-China peninsula.
This is the Hinayana division of Buddhism which clings to the early or asocial doctrine.
But even before the collapse in India, the Chinese and north Indian groups of Gautama's followers had begun the development of the
Mahayana teaching of the "Great Road" to salvation in contrast with the purists of the south who held to the Hinayana, or "Lesser Road."

And these Mahayanists cast loose from the social limitations inherent in the Buddhist doctrine, and ever since has this northern division of Buddhism continued to evolve in China and Japan.


Buddhism is a living, growing religion today because
it succeeds in conserving many of the highest moral values of its adherents. It promotes calmness and self-control, augments serenity and happiness, and does much to prevent sorrow and mourning. Those who believe this philosophy live better lives than many who do not.
 


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Icon 1 posted 05-23-2008 01:31 PM


and this good excerpt about Buddhism

 

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12. THE GOD CONCEPT OF BUDDHISM
The great weakness in the cosmology of Buddhism was twofold: its contamination with many of the superstitions of India and China and its sublimation of Gautama, first as the enlightened one, and then as the Eternal Buddha. Just as Christianity has suffered from the absorption of much erroneous human philosophy, so does Buddhism bear its human birthmark. But the teachings of Gautama have continued to evolve during the past two and one-half millenniums. The concept of Buddha, to an enlightened Buddhist, is no more the human personality of Gautama than the concept of Jehovah is identical with the spirit demon of Horeb to an enlightened Christian. Paucity of terminology, together with the sentimental retention of olden nomenclature, is often provocative of the failure to understand the true significance of the evolution of religious concepts.

Gradually the concept of God, as contrasted with the Absolute, began to appear in Buddhism. Its sources are back in the early days of this differentiation of the followers of the Lesser Road and the Greater Road. It was among the latter division of Buddhism that the dual conception of God and the Absolute finally matured. Step by step, century by century, the God concept has evolved until, with the teachings of Ryonin, Honen Shonin, and Shinran in Japan, this concept finally came to fruit in the belief in Amida Buddha.


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Among these believers it is taught that the soul, upon experiencing death, may elect to enjoy a sojourn in Paradise prior to entering Nirvana, the ultimate of existence.
It is proclaimed that this new salvation is attained by faith in the divine mercies and loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the west. In their philosophy, the Amidists hold to an Infinite Reality which is beyond all finite mortal comprehension; in their religion, they cling to faith in the all-merciful Amida, who so loves the world that he will not suffer one mortal who calls on his name in true faith and with a pure heart to fail in the attainment of the supernal happiness of Paradise.

The great strength of Buddhism is that its adherents are free to choose truth from all religions; such freedom of choice has seldom characterized a Urantian faith.
In this respect the Shin sect of Japan has become one of the most progressive religious groups in the world; it has revived the ancient missionary spirit of Gautama's followers and has begun to send teachers to other peoples.

This willingness to appropriate truth from any and all sources is indeed a commendable tendency to appear among religious believers during the first half of the twentieth century after Christ.

The desire to learn has been rekindled in the hearts of the monk priests of the brotherhood, and
the spread of education throughout this faith will be certainly provocative of new advances in religious evolution. Buddhism itself is undergoing a twentieth-century renaissance. Through contact with Christianity the social aspects of Buddhism have been greatly enhanced.

At the time of this writing, much of Asia rests its hope in Buddhism. Will this noble faith, that has so valiantly carried on through the dark ages of the past,
once again receive the truth of expanded cosmic realities even as the disciples of the great teacher in India once listened to his proclamation of new truth? Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?


All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus.
 


Some links into the Shin Sect

http://www.seattlebetsuin.com/Is_Shin_Buddhism_the_same_as_Christianity.htm

Here is a very interesting fragment about the characteristics of the Shin Sect confirming the Urantia Book
Shin Sect Urantia Book

 

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Is Shin Buddhism the same as Christianity?

by Rev. Philipp Karl Eidmann

In the sixteenth century European Christian missionaries first came to China and Japan. In meeting the Buddhists of China and Japan, the missionaries saw many things that reminded them of Christianity. They saw similarities in the Buddhist and Christian services. They thought they also saw similarities in Christian and Buddhist books and doctrines.

The early Christian missionaries were disturbed by these apparent similarities. They decided that Satan had invented a counterfeit Christianity to lead people astray and to keep them from following the true Christian teachings. Later scholars discovered that in ancient days there had been Nestorian Christian churches in China. After this discovery, some Westerners came to believe that the similarities between Buddhism and Christianity were the result of the influence of Nestorian Christians.

Many Christians have thought they saw ancient Christian influence in the teachings of every sect of Buddhism. However, they have always held that this influence was strongest in the teachings of the Pure Realm schools of China and Japan.

There are a number of schools and sects which follow the Pure Realm doctrines. They differ in many minor respects, but they are all based upon the same scriptures and commentaries. About one-half of the Buddhists of China and Japan are followers of these schools.

In Western lands, too, there are many followers of Pure Realm Buddhism. One of these schools, the Hongwanji school of the Shin sect, is among the most active Buddhist missionary groups in modern times. The Hongwanji has carried the Pure Realm teachings to Siberia, Korea, Hong Kong, Malaya, the Philippines, the South Sea Islands, Hawaii, Canada, the United States, Mexico, Brazil, Peru and other countries.
 


another link, a very interesting article.

http://www.jref.com/culture/jodo-shin_sect_buddhism.shtml

 

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the urantia

Step by step, century by century, the God concept has evolved until,
with the teachings of Ryonin, Honen Shonin, and Shinran in Japan, this concept finally came to fruit in the belief in Amida Buddha.


Jodo Shinshu itself has many sub-sects. The largest branch is the Hongwanji-ha sect. This sub-sect is further divided into two types, Hongwanji-ha Hongwanji, shortly called Honpa Hongwanji (or more commonly, Nishi-Hongwanji) and Daiha Hongwanji, or Otani Hongwanji, more commonly referred to as Higashi-Hongwanji. None of these can be broken down further, and Nishi is the larger of the two. In the United States the Nishi-Hongwanji operates as the Buddhist Churches of America.
 


the ub fragment

loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the west.

and

Shin Buddhism is a Pure Land denomination originating in Japan in the 13th century, though Pure Land tradition and teaching has a long history going back to India.

from this
http://www.shindharmanet.com/course/

and

Dharmakara did indeed fulfil all his promises, the Buddha continued. He attained Buddahood, and he created his
Pure Land in the West. It was full of exquisite trees and flowers and birds, and musical instruments playing of their own accord, where he himself, now called Amida Buddha, would welcome newly reborn people and show them the path to enlightenment.

The basis of the Pure Land faith, therefore, is absolute trust in the efficacy, of Amida's Forty eight Vows. Amida may have existed in the inconceivably remote past, but his Pure Land in the West still exists, and his Eighteenth and Nineteenth Vows have by no means lost their efficacy. Do not worry any longer about a terrible rebirth in hell because you find you cannot carry out daunting spiritual practices, or understand the scholastic complexities which earlier Buddhist sects draw from the Lotus Sutra or the Prajnaparamita Sutra. Simply put your trust in Amida's Vows, repeat his Name on your death bed, and you may be very sure that he will come down to meet you, with a retinue of bodhisattvas playing exquisite music, and will conduct you to his own Pure Land. And the invocation of his Name is not difficult; it is only the six syllables Namu Amida Butsu, known as the nembutsu.

from

http://www.nembutsu.info/blacker.htm

Just think that we are discovering the first Pure Land of Dalamatia City and the history of it.

And more from the link that appears to have the same metaphor as the current journey to the Land of the Tree of Life. Dalamatia City and 1Eden. It appears to have all reflections of the Land of Paradise to the West.

 

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A third genre of painting distinctive to the Pure Land sects is that known as Niga byakudo, the White Path between Two Rivers. Here we see a man journeying westward in the hope of finding the paradise of Amida . Suddenly he sees to his left a river of raging flames, and to his right another river of raging waters. Between the two lies a white path, so narrow that the flames from the left leap over it, and are not quenched by the waves washing from the right. Behind him, he now realises, the way is blocked by swarms of robbers and fierce wild beasts. In desperation he steps on to the White Path. At once he hears a voice from the western shore, calling him forward and promising protection. It is the voice of Amida. At once he takes courage, safely traverses the White Path to the western shore, where no fire or water or robbers can harm him.

This parable originally appeared ill
Shan-tao’s famous Commentary on the Contemplation Sutra. It was often quoted by Honen to disciples wavering in their faith, and paintings of the scene too, from the thirteenth century onwards, have reassured people who fall into doubt about the efficacy of Amida's Vows.
Few Western Buddhists tend to be drawn to the Pure Land sects. Zen, Theravada and Tibetan Buddhism have proved more congenial paths for those who leave Christianity for Buddhism. The Amidist faith, they say, is too similar to Christianity to tempt them away; they might as well remain Christians. Those who have found their true path in Amida and his nembutsu, however,
often declare that it is the form of Buddhism best suited to the times in which we live. For we are now indubitably in the last state of the Law, call it mappo or Kali Yuga or the Eleventh Hour, or what you will. We have to recognise, they continue, that we are less capable now of following the Buddha's Law by our own efforts than were our ancestors in the earlier stages of the cycle. As Rene Guenon memorably described the symptoms of the Reign of Quantity, our access upwards to celestial help is blocked, while the ‘fissures in the Great Wall’ below open the way for invasion by inferior subtle influences from the lower domain.

The multiple states of being are
forgotten, and truth is seen as mechanised, solidified and reduced to the lowest material level of the hierarchy. In such times, it is much more difficult to ‘do it ourselves’ successfully; we would be well advised therefore to throw ourselves on the grace and mercy of Amida and his compassionate Vows.
Namu Amida Butsu is all that we have to repeat, they say, and in time we shall find that it is not we who are repeating the invocation, but Amida himself.


Seems to have all the reflections.

Dont you think the following description of the Paradise to the West has all the reflections of the current journey to the the Land of the Pure, the land of the tree of Life, the City of Dalamatia and 1stEden. The Cities and the rivers. Like the journey and what is discovered on the spiritual path and responding to the Voice of the Father from within stepping each day in faith working with the books of all religion piecing the puzzle together.

 

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the White Path between Two Rivers. Here we see a man journeying westward in the hope of finding the paradise of Amida . Suddenly he sees to his left a river of raging flames, and to his right another river of raging waters. Between the two lies a white path, so narrow that the flames from the left leap over it, and are not quenched by the waves washing from the right. Behind him, he now realises, the way is blocked by swarms of robbers and fierce wild beasts. In desperation he steps on to the White Path. At once he hears a voice from the western shore, calling him forward and promising protection. It is the voice of Amida. At once he takes courage, safely traverses the White Path to the western shore, where no fire or water or robbers can harm him.


At this point I just say praise the Lord!

I think making these bridges with other religions on commonality that normal people can follow is just beautiful and its leads to an upgrade of Jesus' teaching as recorded by the Angels through the Urantia Book. Teachings that redefines, widens and deepens religion for man and offers good correction but in an enlightened way where it can tested and proved. Its also brings a oneness into aspect as we closer to the great discoveries of mankind and the truth of his origins. All preparing the
"Great White Path" for the great advent of Jesus, Lord and Master of Planet Urantia.

Remember the The Pure Land Sect of Buddhism is commended in accepting other religions.

All its is also commended of appropriating truth from any and all sources to bringing to bear truth.

 

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This willingness to appropriate truth from any and all sources is indeed a commendable tendency to appear among religious believers during the first half of the twentieth century after Christ.


The above commendation also applies to this journey to the ancient places and its construct in appropriating truth, no matter the source and how it is shared with my fellow brothers on the run.

Jesus words from the Urantia Book

 

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"Your Buddha was much better than your Buddhism. Buddha was a great man, even a prophet to his people, but he was an orphan prophet; by that I mean that he early lost sight of his spiritual Father, the Father in heaven. His experience was tragic. He tried to live and teach as a messenger of God, but without God. Buddha guided his ship of salvation right up to the safe harbor, right up to the entrance to the haven of mortal salvation, and there, because of faulty charts of navigation, the good ship ran aground. There it has rested these many generations, motionless and almost hopelessly stranded. And thereon have many of your people remained all these years. They live within hailing distance of the safe waters of rest, but they refuse to enter because the noble craft of the good Buddha met the misfortune of grounding just outside the harbor.

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Its seems that Buddhism has to go through an expansion to fill the missing gaps that will complete Buddhism.

yea!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-23-2008 03:52 PM


The Urantia Book

 

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All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus.


The hour is NOW!

Right NOW in this INSTANT! NOW! RIGHT NOW!

Thats when the time is
NOW!
Through these series of Posts which makes connection with current knowledge.

These are the Paths to Chinese and Japanese religion through the paths of the Angels to the recording of Jesus' teaching as through the Urantia Book. All pathways that can be expended and developed further.

But NOW is the time for the Supernal presentations! to occur!


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-24-2008 01:43 AM


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The Urantia Book

In the south the fundamentalist stereotype of the teachings of Siddhartha persisted in Ceylon, Burma, and the Indo-China peninsula. This is the Hinayana division of Buddhism which clings to the early or asocial doctrine.
But even before the collapse in India, the Chinese and north Indian groups of Gautama's followers had begun
the development of the Mahayana teaching of the "Great Road" to salvation in contrast with the purists of the south who held to the Hinayana, or "Lesser Road."

And these Mahayanists cast loose from the social limitations inherent in the Buddhist doctrine,
and ever since has this northern division of Buddhism continued to evolve in China and Japan.
 


Here is some link on Mahayana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana

fragment

 

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Doctrine
Few things can be said with certainty about Mahayana Buddhism, especially its early Indian form, other than that the Buddhism practiced in China, Vietnam, Korea, Tibet, and Japan is Mahayana Buddhism.[10][11] Mahayana can be described as a loosely bound bundle of many teachings, which was thus able to contain the various contradictions found between those differing teachings of whose elements it is comprised.[12]

Mahayana is a vast religious and philosophical structure. It constitutes an inclusive faith characterized by the adoption of new, Mahayana sutras, in addition to the traditional Pali canon or Agama texts, and a shift in the basic purpose and concepts of Buddhism. Mahayana sees itself as penetrating further and more profoundly into the Buddha's Dharma.
In the Mahaparinirvana Sutra, for instance, the Buddha tells of how his initial teachings on suffering, impermanence and non-Self were given to those who were still like "small children", unable to digest the full "meal" of Truth, whereas when those spiritual students "grow up" and are no longer satisfied by the preliminary ingredients of the Dharmic meal fed to them and require fuller sustenance, they are then ready to assimilate the full and balanced fare of the Mahayana teachings (Mahaparinirvana Sutra).
 


and

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/MAHAYANA.HTM




 

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Theravada Buddhism focused primarily on meditation and concentration, the eighth of the Eightfold Noble Path; as a result, it centered on a monastic life and an extreme expenditure of time in meditating. This left little room for the bulk of humanity to join in, so a new schism erupted within the ranks of Buddhism in the first century AD, one that would attempt to reformulate the teachings of Buddha to accomodate a greater number of people. They called their new Buddhism, the "Greater Vehicle" (literally, "The Greater Ox-Cart") or Mahayana, since it could accomodate more people and more believers from all walks of life. They distinguished themselves from mainstream Theravada Buddhism by contemptuously referring to Theravada as Hinayana, or "The Lesser Vehicle."

The Mahayanists, however, did not see themselves as creating a new start for Buddhism, rather they claimed to be recovering the original teachings of Buddha, in much the same way that the Protestant reformers of sixteenth century Europe claimed that they were not creating a new Christianity but recovering the original form. The Mahayanists claimed that their canon of scriptures represented the final teachings of Buddha; they accounted for the non-presence of these teachings in over five hundred years by claiming that these were secret teachings entrusted only to the most faithful followers


Its interesting to see from the outside in, all the various transformation that Buddhism has been through in the timeline of history to our time. It seem the latest transmutation was the Shin Pure land sect of Buddhism.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe49/index.htm


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-24-2008 03:07 AM


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Then exclaimed Ganid: "Teacher, let's you and I make a new religion, one good enough for India and big enough for Rome, and maybe we can trade it to the Jews for Yahweh." And Jesus replied: "Ganid, religions are not made. The religions of men grow up over long periods of time, while the revelations of God flash upon earth in the lives of the men who reveal God to their fellows." But they did not comprehend the meaning of these prophetic words.

That night after they had retired, Ganid could not sleep. He talked a long time with his father and finally said, "You know, father, I sometimes think Joshua is a prophet." And his father only sleepily replied, "My son, there are others--"

From this day, for the remainder of his natural life, Ganid continued to evolve a religion of his own. He was mightily moved in his own mind by Jesus' broadmindedness, fairness, and tolerance. In all their discussions of philosophy and religion this youth never experienced feelings of resentment or reactions of antagonism.

What a scene for the celestial intelligences to behold, this spectacle of the Indian lad proposing to the Creator of a universe that they make a new religion!
And though the young man did not know it, they were making a new and everlasting religion right then and there--this new way of salvation, the revelation of God to man through, and in, Jesus. That which the lad wanted most to do he was unconsciously actually doing. And it was, and is, ever thus. That which the enlightened and reflective human imagination of spiritual teaching and leading wholeheartedly and unselfishly wants to do and be, becomes measurably creative in accordance with the degree of mortal dedication to the divine doing of the Father's will. When man goes in partnership with God, great things may, and do, happen.
 


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-24-2008 03:40 AM


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The Urantia Book
The sea of glass, the receiving area of Edentia, is near the administrative center and is encircled by the headquarters amphitheater.

The Melchizedeks also maintain two special colleges on Edentia. One, the emergency school, is devoted to the study of problems growing out of the Satania rebellion. The other, the bestowal school, is dedicated to the mastery of the new problems arising out of the fact that Michael made his final bestowal on one of the worlds of Norlatiadek.
This latter college was established almost forty thousand years ago, immediately after the announcement by Michael that Urantia had been selected as the world for his final bestowal.

Surrounding this area are the governing centers for the seventy divisions of constellation affairs.
One half of Edentia is divided into seventy triangular sections, whose boundaries converge at the headquarters buildings of their respective sectors. The remainder of this sphere is one vast natural park, the gardens of God.


The Universe Capital appears to be circular amphitheater which adjoins a triangle city, the rest of the area is parklands.

I have to say that the triangle city of Edentia is similiar in design to that of Dalamatia City, the first city submerged in the Persian Gulf.

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If this is isnt Atlantis I dont know what is!

 

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The Edentia sea of glass is one enormous circular crystal about one hundred miles in circumference and about thirty miles in depth . This magnificent crystal serves as the receiving field for all transport seraphim and other beings arriving from points outside the sphere; such a sea of glass greatly facilitates the landing of transport seraphim.

A crystal field on this order is found on almost all architectural worlds; and it serves many purposes aside from its decorative value,
being utilized for portraying superuniverse reflectivity to assembled groups and as a factor in the energy-transformation technique for modifying the currents of space and for adapting other incoming physical-energy streams.


Which brings me to this

Is this circular structure below the Southern end of the temple of Dalamatia City a receiver of some sort? Perhaps a communication device for interdimensional space communications?? It seems to be a large circular feature next to the temple maybe a device that was used when the times where stable in the City.

Or it simply could be a junction for defense or water distribution.

 

and the City overview

 


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-25-2008 01:53 AM

I wonder if the ruins of Nisa near the City Ashgabat was built upon the location of the ancient city of Adonia around 8000BC

 

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The Urantia Book

By 8000 B.C. the slowly increasing aridity of the highland regions of central Asia began to drive the Andites to the river bottoms and the seashores. This increasing drought not only drove them to the valleys of the Nile, Euphrates, Indus, and Yellow rivers, but it produced a new development in Andite civilization. A new class of men, the traders, began to appear in large numbers.


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When climatic conditions made hunting unprofitable for the migrating Andites, they did not follow the evolutionary course of the older races by becoming herders.
Commerce and urban life made their appearance. From Egypt through Mesopotamia and Turkestan to the rivers of China and India, the more highly civilized tribes began to assemble in cities devoted to manufacture and trade. Adonia became the central Asian commercial metropolis, being located near the present city of Ashkhabad. Commerce in stone, metal, wood, and pottery was accelerated on both land and water.


http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Archaeology/Ashkanian/excavation_staraia_nisa.htm

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/archaeology/ashkanian/nisa2000.htm





http://www.sairamtour.com/centralasia/ca_07_1.html
http://homepage.mac.com/douglasm/Archive/turkmenistan/turkfour.html

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-17-2008 04:43 PM


Then again all the others haven't got anything concrete so why would your paper be excluded considering Atlantis in Israel is right next to 1Eden, land of Adam and Eve 38,000 years ago.

If anything, you're closer to the truth than any other researcher beside myself ahahahahahahahahahahaha just joking!

I certainly think that Atlantis in Israel is close considering the rings of Bashan 7000 years ago. All little reminders to a prominent location close by but submerged with symbolism.

I was wondering are there any papers representing Atlantis in the Med, sounds like a contest! but who are the judges?? and what Bias are they affected with?

Places claimed to be Atlantis n the Med are

Cyprus
Malta
Sicily
Corsica
Crete
and more

there seems to be quite a few. I wonder if any of those theories are represented or slated for the rubbish bin already ahahah. Doesn't matter!


sevens


« Reply #87 on: Today at 11:41:45 pm »

Reply #87 on: Today at 11:41:45 pm

Hi Elmer how are you?  good to hear from you and thanks for the encouragement.

Yesterday I felt was another great breakthrough.

A friend of Mine sent me a link to the Aquarian Gospel, apparently it was written in the 1800's by

Levi H. Dowling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_H._Dowling
http://spiritlight.com:80/jesus/aquarian1.htm

I hadn't heard of this book and was quite happy to have a look at it.  I started scanning the book using the page search and generally speed reading to see if I could recognize some details of commonalities which I feel I did.

Here is the link
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000162&p=14

As I was a few posts down in the book I noticed this verse in amongst a few with the word Tao.

Quote

25) And Tao Great was One; the One became the Two; the Two became the Three, the Three evolved the Seven, which filled the universe with manifests.


Here is the post

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000162&p=14

When I read this word Tao I knew I recognized this before through the Urantia Book as it related to Lao Tze.

I then switched to research into the direction of Tao and its evolution and during the study I found some very interesting connections and parallels that would of not been known in 1934 in the UB record.

Anyway, during all the posts of connecting Lao Tse with the Melchizedeks in the past, I found some interesting information that may lay a path for the Chinese people back to their origins in religion making connection with the Melchizedek truth which makes connection with the Urantia Book and The Bible and all the other books which uplifts the people into the truth filled destiny and which links to Jesus' teachings.

It now becomes more important to go Dalamatia City and verify the place and including all the other places as this could benefit all man, knowing the paths and branches that would help him within his own culture as the truth is embedded in their early books of truth.  All its needs is the right circumstance to prove the matter as we do have the information that create the branches.

Feel free to go through all those posts from yesterday, Im sure you will find them interesting.  It was a wonderful day of just research and being inspired with what I found and came across.  Many lead thoughts would occur to me where I would follow them and find the connection straightaway.  However, Im still looking for the place See Fuch as there was a temple there for 1000 years and it was the headquarters of the Melchizedek missionaries in that time in China around 2500 BC

Its amazing that when you are inspired with finding things of the Lord how much energy you receive in the journey of discovery and confirmation, with a book in one hand and the evidence found on the net.  Truly an inspiring experience!

All the best Elmer
Sevens


« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 11:41:45 pm »

 


Hi Elmer how are you?  good to hear from you and thanks for the encouragement.

Yesterday I felt was another great breakthrough.

A friend of Mine sent me a link to the Aquarian Gospel, apparently it was written in the 1800's by

Levi H. Dowling
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_H._Dowling
http://spiritlight.com:80/jesus/aquarian1.htm

I hadn't heard of this book and was quite happy to have a look at it.  I started scanning the book using the page search and generally speed reading to see if I could recognize some details of commonalities which I feel I did.

Here is the link
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000162&p=14

As I was a few posts down in the book I noticed this verse in amongst a few with the word Tao.

 

Quote

25) And Tao Great was One; the One became the Two; the Two became the Three, the Three evolved the Seven, which filled the universe with manifests.


Here is the post

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=20&t=000162&p=14

When I read this word Tao I knew I recognized this before through the Urantia Book as it related to Lao Tze.

I then switched to research into the direction of Tao and its evolution and during the study I found some very interesting connections and parallels that would of not been known in 1934 in the UB record.

Anyway, during all the posts of connecting Lao Tse with the Melchizedeks in the past, I found some interesting information that may lay a path for the Chinese people back to their origins in religion making connection with the Melchizedek truth which makes connection with the Urantia Book and The Bible and all the other books which uplifts the people into the truth filled destiny and which links to Jesus' teachings.

It now becomes more important to go Dalamatia City and verify the place and including all the other places as this could benefit all man, knowing the paths and branches that would help him within his own culture as the truth is embedded in their early books of truth.  All its needs is the right circumstance to prove the matter as we do have the information that create the branches.

Feel free to go through all those posts from yesterday, Im sure you will find them interesting.  It was a wonderful day of just research and being inspired with what I found and came across.  Many lead thoughts would occur to me where I would follow them and find the connection straightaway.  However, Im still looking for the place See Fuch as there was a temple there for 1000 years and it was the headquarters of the Melchizedek missionaries in that time in China around 2500 BC

Its amazing that when you are inspired with finding things of the Lord how much energy you receive in the journey of discovery and confirmation, with a book in one hand and the evidence found on the net.  Truly an inspiring experience!

Its like this Elmer, you get this forethought on a track of a connection, you already know it will be confirmed and know what to look for, for some reason I might do a search when I might see a statement that I resonate to.  Following the voice within, you feel it in your heart and in your mind.  You see the connection in the search and you know it confirms the first thought and then you feel this feeling of love and rejoicing in the Lord!

Its just beautiful journey! and at the end of the day you and the Lord have laid down the seeds that are growing and creating branches and the fruit comes at the verification and the seeds and branches are growing with every post and with every discovery.

That's how I truly see it and it is beyond anything the world can offer, this glorious journey to the ancient places of laying seeds and growing branches with leaves and eventually fruit ready for the harvest.  I believe this journey is the new seed from the storehouses from the treasury of Paradise Sevenfold!


All the best Elmer
Sevens



 

 


 

 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma

Dharma

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hexi Corridor or Gansu Corridor (Chinese: 河西走廊; Wade-Giles: Hehsi Tsoulang) refers to the historical route in Gansu province of China. As part of the Northern Silk Road running northwest from the bank of the Yellow River, it used to be the most important passage from ancient China to Xinjiang and Central Asia for traders and the military. As early as the first millennium BC silk goods began appearing in Siberia having traveled over the Northern Silk Road including the Hexi Corridor segment.[1] The ancient trackway formerly passed through Haidong, Xining and the environs of Juyan Lake, seving an effective area of about 215,000 km². It was an area where mountain and desert limited caravan traffic to a narrow trackway where fortification could control who passed.[2]

More specifically, Hexi is a long narrow passage stretching for about 1000 km from the steep Wushaolin hillside near the modern city of Lanzhou to the Jade Gate[3] at the border of Gansu and Xinjiang. There are many fertile oases along the path. The strikingly inhospitable environment surrounds them: the vast expanse of the Gobi desert, the snow-capped Qilian Mountains to the south, the Beishan mountainous area, and the Alashan Plateau to the north.


Here is a link about the Melchizedek his office which is no different to the office of the Messiah!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/107/1-3#1

 

Sevens


John Gill Preacher 1697-1772

http://www.literature.org/authors/hobbes-thomas/leviathan/chapter-41.html

Chapter 41 - Of The Office Of Our Blessed Saviour

Three Parts Of The Office Of Christ We find in Holy Scripture three parts of the Office of the Messiah: the first of a Redeemer, or Saviour: The second of a Pastor, Counsellour, or Teacher, that is, of a Prophet sent from God, to convert such as God hath elected to Salvation; The third of a King, and Eternall King, but under his Father, as Moses and the High Priests were in their severall times. And to these three parts are corespondent three times. For our Redemption he wrought at his first coming, by the Sacrifice, wherein he offered up himself for our sinnes upon the Crosse: our conversion he wrought partly then in his own Person; and partly worketh now by his Ministers; and will continue to work till his coming again. And after his coming again, shall begin that his glorious Reign over his elect, which is to last eternally.

3 components of the Office of the Messiah eh!

and

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Misc/misc01_ch08.htm

The Prophecies Respecting the Messiah

CHAPTER VIII.


Concerning the Prophetic office of the Messiah; wherein is proved, that he is the prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy 8:15 also enquiry is made, who was to be his fore-runner; what was his prophetic work; and where he was to perform his office.


and

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Misc/misc01_ch08.htm

Fourthly, I shall now inquire into the place where the Messiah was chiefly to fulfil his ministry, as the great prophet in Israel, which appears to be Galilee of the nations, according to a prophecy in Isaiah 9:1, 2. Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at time first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Napthali; and afterwards did more grievously afflict her by the way of the sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked in darkness, have seen a great lights they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. The former of which verses should be read thus; Nevertheless the dimness shall not be to her as her oppression, for as at the first time he debased the land of Zebulun and the land of Napthali, so in the latter time, or hereafter, he will make it glorious by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations; the learned Mr. Mede reads the words much the same way; and the plain meaning of them is this, that whereas those parts of the land of Israel, here mentioned, had suffered much by Tiglath Pilezer, who had carried them captive (2 Kings 15:29), which is the vexation referred to; so they should be very much honored and glorified, by the presence and conversation of the Messiah, who is the great light, in verse 9, that was to shine in those dark and obscure parts, and give light unto them, and there become famous himself, and make them so by his doctrines, miracles, and holy life and conversation; who is no other than the child born, and son given, of whom such great things are spoken, and to whom such magnificent titles are given in verses 6 and 7.
 

and

 

Fifthly, I proceed to consider what success was to attend the Messiah’s ministry, which was to be but very small and inconsiderable; for he and his ministry were to be slighted and rejected by men, according to the prophecies that went before of him, which declare, that, the hearts of men, instead of being converted under his ministry, would grow more obdurate, their ears be heavy, and their eyes shut which is not to be imputed to any weakness and insufficiency, either in his doctrine, or method of teaching, but to the wretched depravity and corruption of human nature.

 

and

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Sermons&Tracts/sermon_51.htm

 

But at other times, and in other places, we may observe the whole church of God is called a temple, in allusion to the temple at Jerusalem. Thus, in that famous prophecy of the Messiah, Zechariah 6:12, it is said, Behold the man whose mane is the Branch (which is a descriptive character of the Messiah), and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord; even he shall build the temple of the Lord, and he shall bear the glory. That is, he shall build the Church of God, and he shall have the glory of it, as the sole builder; and thus speaks our Lord himself. Upon this rock will I build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:18) And here I shall take occasion to observe, that the temple of Jerusalem may very properly be considered as a figure and emblem of the church of God, on various accounts.

 

and

 

and this fragment

 

Secondly, Endeavor to prove, that the Messiah, who is here designed by the desire of all nations, was to come into this temple, and that Jesus accordingly did. It may be expected that I should first prove, that the Messiah is intended by the desire of all nations. Jarchi, Kimchi and Aben-Ezra, would have the desirable things of the nations meant, such as gold, silver, and precious stones, which they would bring into the temple and offer there as presents, which sense is not only contrary to the grammatical construction of the words, but foreign enough from the context, as well as too low to answer those surprising instances of God’s power, as the shaking the heavens and the earth, &c. which were to usher it in. R. Akiba applied this prophecy to the Messiah, and the character, here given, well agrees with him; all nations of the earth were to receive very great blessings and considerable advantages from him, as has been already proved, and therefore he must needs be a very desirable person. Besides, the very great commotion of the heavens, the earth, the sea, and dry land, and all the nations therein, here mentioned, can agree with no other but the Messiah, and the time of his coining. Moreover, nothing but the appearing of the Messiah in this temple, could make it preferable to, and more glorious than that of Solomons. Now it is certain, that the Messiah was to come into this temple, the desire of all nations shall come; whither? To his temple, as we are taught to explain it, from what follows, namely, I will fill this house with glory, and from a parallel text in Malachi 3:1. Behold I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple: even the messenger of the covenant whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. R. David Kimchi understands this prophecy of the Messiah, who may very easily be concluded to be the person intended, from those magnificent titles here given to him, as the Lord, and the messenger of the covenant, which can agree with no other: One and the same person is meant both in Haggai and Malachi, in the one he is called the desire of all nations, in the other the Lord whom the Jews sought and delighted in; the one says, he shall come in a little while; the other that he shall come suddenly to his temple; which is the same with Haggai’s latter house; for into no other could he come suddenly. Nothing is more manifest, than that Jesus did come into this temple: The Jews expected to meet with the Messiah in the temple; hence old Simeon and Anna the prophetess waited there for him; where the former met with the young child Jesus, at the time of his presentation before the Lord: Here at twelve years of age, he disputed with the doctors; when he had entered upon his public ministry, here he taught the people, and that daily; here he wrought many of his miracles; here he was acknowledged to be the Messiah, and that even by the children, who cried in the temple, and said, Hosanna to the son of David; where, as the Lord and proprietor of it, he cast out the buyers and sellers, and other profaners thereof (Matthew 21:12-14). It can be no objection against the application of these prophecies to Jesus, that it was the temple built by Herod, that he came into; for the temple which was built by the Jews, after their return from Babylon, re-edified by Herod, and at last destroyed by Vespasian, was but one and the same, and is always called by the Jews בית שני the second house; besides, if they make Herod’s temple to be distinct from Zerubbabels, and so a third temple; then this temple which they vainly expect, must be a fourth, and not a third; nor can the objection of the Jew be thought to have any weight in it, namely, that Jesus came into this temple at the latter end of it; for it is enough that he was there at all; and the very objection is an acknowledgment thereof. But I. proceed,.

and this about the third temple and the former places

 

Thirdly, To show, that the Messiah’s coming into this temple is the greater glory promised unto it. I will fill this house with glory,—the glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former. Now let it be observed, that Solomons temple, which is the former house referred to, was very great, glorious, and magnificent; nay wonderful great, as will evidently appear, if we consider the vast treasure amassed together by David, and expended by Solomon; the large number of workmen employed therein, the prodigious charge in making provisions for them, the stateliness and richness of the fabric; the like to which was never seen in the world; God himself having drawn the model and pattern of it, and gave it to David in writing: Its dedication by Solomon was very magnificent; to all which add; the glory of the Lord filled it, and continued in it. Now the glory of the latter house must be something very considerable, which made it not only equal, but even superior to this. Again, it ought to be remarked, that by the Jews’ own confession, there were several things wanting in this latter house, which were in the former, especially these five, the ark, the Urim and Thummim, the fire from heaven, the Shechinah, and the Holy Ghost: Besides, several of the ancient men, who had seen the glory of the former house, wept when the foundation of this was laid; it being, in their eyes, in comparison of that as nothing. Therefore I say it must be something very considerable in this latter house, which must make the glory of it exceed that of the former.

 

and this extract that has reflections of this journey and the timeline of the discoveries and where we are at now.

 

I personally think it points to the journey to the ancient places.

 

and

 

5. By the Messiah’s accomplishing all this, he was to seal up the vision and prophecy; not the prophecy of Jeremiah, concerning the end of the captivity, which the author of the Literal Scheme thinks is intended, supported by the authorities of Marsham and Harduin; for this prophecy, when Daniel had this vision, wanted but a very little time of having its full accomplishment; therefore it cannot be supposed, that seventy weeks of years should be fixed and determined, for the accomplishing of an event, which was to be fulfilled, in two years time, or thereabout. No, by sealing the vision and prophecy is meant the Messiah’s fulfilling whatever was predicted by the prophets concerning him, whereby he would seal up, and put an end to vision and prophecy in the Jewish church; all which has been exactly completed by the Messiah, Jesus, who, in what he has done and suffered, has sufficiently verified whatever was in the Old Testament, prophesied of the Messiah; as I hope my account of prophecies will make appear. It is undeniable matter of fact, that ever since the times of Jesus, prophecy has ceased among the Jews; nor can they themselves deny it, nay they tell us, that "There has never arose a prophet in Israel since the building of the second temple;" which deficiency, they say, was supplied by Bath-Kol; but that is ending prophecy too soon, for the law and the prophets were until John; however, it is now ceased; it lasted so long as there was any need of it; but when the Messiah, the sum and substance of all, was come, it was at an end among that people. Now in order to the accomplishing of all these things,

and this

 

 

A SERMON,

Preached at a Wednesday’s Evening Lecture,

in

GREAT EAST-CHEAP, Dec. 27, 1752.


Psalm 87:3

Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God! Selah.


The city or Zion or the Mountains of God or the Mountains of truth, note the plural!!  you could interpret as the former cities of the Father and the tree of life.  Dalamatia City and 1stEden.

The whole sermon is about the City of God and is to me a reflection of the journey to the ancient places.

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Sermons&Tracts/sermon_52.htm

In these sermons unlike others preached today there are no endless praise the lords or side show word comedy or anything that reflects the current sermons in some churches today.  These Sermons of 1972 or just straight facts and research and full of great thoughts and braches to search through

could this fragment be a reflection of a website where there are gates to the city of the former places that are opened 24 hours through the internet worldwide knowing no sun of night and speaking of his glory!!

 

and in the below is a reflection of how the end times will come.

 

Dr. Owen seems to have had in view; of whom it is reported he should say, "the time is coming when a faithful minister would be more precious than fine gold, even than the golden wedge of Ophir;" meaning, they would be scarce and rare; referring to the passage in Isaiah 13:12, and few there are that receive the gospel in the power of it, cordially embrace it, and sincerely profess it, and walk according to it: it looks like the time our Lord speaks of when he should come, and would not be able to find faith, the doctrine of faith, on the earth (Luke 18:8). But though the gospel is now within such narrow limits, ere long it will have a free course, and run and be glorified. The earth, the inhabitants of it, will be filled with a spiritual an saving knowledge of God and Christ, communicated by it, and of the truth of it; and that not in a superficial way and manner, but even as the waters cover the sea (Isa. 11:9), which are very deep, and large, and spreading; and which knowledge will be communicated to a large number of persons. This will be, when the angel, not any particular minister, as Luther, or any other, but a set of gospel ministers in the latter day, so called from their office, shall flee in the midst of heaven; discharge their office with great readiness and swiftness, and in the most public manner, in the church of God; having the everlasting gospel; not a little dry morality, but the gospel of the grace of God, the good news of life and salvation by Jesus Christ; which consists of everlasting things, of everlasting love, an everlasting covenant, an everlasting Savior, and everlasting salvation; and which was ordained before the world, as well as will continue to the end of it; having this not in their heads only, but in their hearts and in their mouths, and a commission to preach it to them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people (Rev. 14:6). These will be very diligent and industrious, spare no pains, be indefatigable in their work; they will be many, and will run to and fro; and by this means knowledge will be increased (Dan. 12:4): this will be the time, even in the Philadelphian state, when there will be an open door set, which no man can shut (Rev. 3:8); an opportunity of preaching the gospel every where, and which will be taken and used; a wonderful door of utterance will be given to ministers of the word, who will open their mouth freely, and boldly, and with great success. The doctrines of the gospel are the living waters, so called for their refreshing and quickening nature, both to dead sinners and drooping saints, that at this time shall go out of Jerusalem, the church of God; half of them towards the former sea, or the eastern sea, as the Targum; the Persian sea, which lay east of Jerusalem, and so before it: and half of them towards the hinder sea, or the western sea, as the paraphrase; the Mediterranean sea, which lies to the west of Jerusalem, and so behind it; and both denoting the spread of the gospel in the latter day, east and west, for the conversion of the eastern nations in China, Tartary, Persia, &c., and for the conversion of the western nations in Europe; in summer and in winter shall it be (Zech. 14:8). These waters will be ever flowing, these doctrines will be constantly preaching; nor will the ministry of the word be hindered by any heat of persecution, or by any coldness or indifference to it.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Here is a link about the Melchizedek and his office which is no different to the office of the Messiah as in the DSC.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/107/1-3#1

I thought it was interesting!

and here is see through of the Work of John Gill Preacher 1697-1772

The below highlighted precisely points to Dalamatia City, Persian Gulf where the truth comes from and from the 1stEden, Mediterranean Sea the other place where the truth will emanate following the path of the tree of Life in former ages of the wasted places in order to heal the breach.  Also all the components of the current journey to the ancient places is completely reflected in the below.  Excellent discovery! this is a great confirmation of the work of the Office of the Messiah!

 

Quote:

12:4): this will be the time, even in the Philadelphian state, when there will be an open door set, which no man can shut (Rev. 3:8); an opportunity of preaching the gospel every where, and which will be taken and used; a wonderful door of utterance will be given to ministers of the word, who will open their mouth freely, and boldly, and with great success. The doctrines of the gospel are the living waters, so called for their refreshing and quickening nature, both to dead sinners and drooping saints, that at this time shall go out of Jerusalem, the church of God; half of them towards the former sea, or the eastern sea, as the Targum; the Persian sea, which lay east of Jerusalem, and so before it: and half of them towards the hinder sea, or the western sea, as the paraphrase; the Mediterranean sea, which lies to the west of Jerusalem, and so behind it; and both denoting the spread of the gospel in the latter day, east and west, for the conversion of the eastern nations in China, Tartary, Persia, &c., and for the conversion of the western nations in Europe; in summer and in winter shall it be (Zech. 14:8). These waters will be ever flowing, these doctrines will be constantly preaching; nor will the ministry of the word be hindered by any heat of persecution, or by any coldness or indifference to it.



The above is a small fragment of a great study from John Gill. I also have been reading his Messiah papers and I am very impressed. Very accurate to this time and the references alluding to the Persian Gulf (Dalamatia City) and the Mediterranean Sea(1stEden) clearly points to the ancient places undoubtedly and it is out of these places comes the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and Jerusalem is right in the middle of this great presentation.


study
http://dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues18.htm#Gill

Now, Im looking at the phrase The Targem which means 'translation' or 'interpretation'

 

Quote:

half of them towards the former sea, or the eastern sea, as the Targum; the Persian sea, which lay east of Jerusalem, and so before it: and half of them towards the hinder sea, or the western sea, as the paraphrase; the Mediterranean sea,



The Targum comes from the Persian Gulf and Mediterranean Sea, in essence meaning the interpretation or the meaning where the Gospel in the latter day comes from. .

Well all I can say that is a very big confirmation of this on the fly journey to the ancient places! This journey has all the characteristics of the Targum that emanates out of the Sea, 2 seas which is the path of the tree of life!

The Targum

Quote:

The Targum

http://www.logos.com/targums
What are the Targums (or Targumim)?
The word 'Targum' simply means 'translation' or 'interpretation', but while any translation might call itself a 'targum', the word is usually reserved for ancient Aramaic translations of the Hebrew scriptures. The need for Aramaic translations of scripture was keenly felt as Hebrew declined in popular use during the Second Temple Period; one tradition ascribes the first targum to Ezra himself. In the earliest days, targumim were not written down, but were likely informal translations made 'on the fly' after the Hebrew scriptures were read in the synagogues. Targum fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls indicate that use of written targumim can be dated to pre-Christian times, and eventually two of these written Targumim, Targum Onqelos on the Pentateuch*, and Targum Jonathan on the Prophets*, gained official status, and were specifically designated for use in synagogue services. In addition to these two official Targumim, there are several targumim covering various books of the Writings* and other, competing Targums to the Pentateuch that never gained any official status - indeed every book but Ezra-Nehemiah and Daniel (which were partially written in Aramaic to begin with) has at least one extant Targum.



Now if people cant understand this post then all must be in denial or not that smart or over intellectualized or something!. All these threads are are simple paths being trail blazed creating branches that other people can study and expand on. Perhaps this can be suited and expanded and used in Sermons to the congregation.

Remember its a on the run journey with precept upon precept, stone upon stone and block upon block creating this image in real reality on the run, unlocking the great 7th Mystery as we go done the track to the ancient cities of the Persian Gulf and The Mediterranean Sea producing the Targum on the the fly! Just like with the Prophets of old and also with the seers and prophets this side of Jesus' times they all are part of the final targum for this Epoch unlocking the door to the Next Epochal revelation of the Father in the Uplift all religions of the planet that will lead them to the teachings of Jesus in the edification and uplift of mankind!

I am personally very proud of this presentation and very happy to be of service of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven.

I say Amen and Yea! and praise the Lord for all his great bounty and generosity and particularly through his guidance!

Because today we have another great victory in the interpretation of the Great and final Targum.

The Targum of the prophets! The Targum of the Sevenfold, The Targum of the Seventh Mystery!

Hallelujah! right on!

Sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Thu May 29, 2008 11:24 am

ahahahaha

Anyway, Im a little worried for China. It is unusual that this journey took the turn into their religions that have foundational roots from the influence of the Melchizedek Missionaries and as I focused on the hidden tracks I cam across all these discoveries left behind.

Im worried that a crack may appear on the eastern sea board of China if this tectonic unrest continues.

All the best

sevens


 


 



Sevens


and this fragment

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Sermons&Tracts/sermon_52.htm

3rdly, There will be large conversions every where, in the several parts of the world: in all popish countries, and antichristian states; even the ten kings, that have given their kingdoms to the beast, have been associates of antichrist, and reigned with hem, shall withdraw from him; they and their subjects shall revolt from him, and be converted, and embrace the pure gospel: as it will be the Christian princes and potentates that will pour out the seven vials on antichrist, they will carry the gospel with them wherever they go; or however, the ministers of it will follow closely at their heels, way being made by the former for them; whose ministry will meet with great success every where, and those that escape the judgments of God in these nations, will not only be affrighted at them, but will be truly converted by the gospel, and give glory to the God of heaven (Rev. 11:13). In the Mohammedan nations, the Turkish woe being past, and that empire being destroyed, and way made for the gospel to be carried into the eastern kingdoms, great and large conversions will be made by it; there is a most glaring prophecy of this in Isaiah 60:7, which the whole chapter concerns the spiritual and personal reign of Christ; all the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee; the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee; they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. Now Kedar and Nebaioth were the sons of Ishmael (Gen. 25:13), who settled in Arabia, the country now possessed by the Turks;[6] so that this is a prophecy of the conversion of multitudes in those parts, whereby the interest of Christ will be increased, and his church glorified. Moreover, in all Pagan countries the gospel will make its way, and be successful, the covering and veil of blindness and ignorance, cast and spread over all people and nations

and another fragment

and this wonderful fragment and I believe the ark of the Testament is the journey and documentation of the journey to the ancient former wasted places of the path of the tree of Life!  "their original institution" reflecting the first and former places I.E. the discovery of the Seven commands.  In relation to the journey to the ancient places, the discovery and verification of the Seven commands on a expedition to Dalamatia City.  The reconstitution of the original Seven commands through discovery and enlightenment, the reinstatement of the Seven commands, the reinstatement of the original commands from the first place Dalamatia City!.  And it will be seen and proven.

There will be great purity of gospel-worship and ordinances; the temple of God will be opened in heaven; the true worship of God will be restored, and observed according to the primitive pattern: the ark of the testimony (Rev. 11:19) will be seen in it; the ordinances of the gospel will be administered according to their original institution; there will be no disputes about the form of order of church-government; every thing relating to it will appear evident; the ordinances will be kept as they were delivered; nor will there be any doubts about the manner of performing them, or the subject to be admitted to them, or the ends to be answered by them; all these things will stand in a clear light; and there will be no objector to them, or any division about them; nor will they be ever corrupted any more

and reflections of the atmosphere of the journey to the path of the tree of life

Brotherly love, which is now waxen cold, will be in its height and glory, agreeable to the name of this state, Philadelphia, which signifies brotherly love; there will be no more contentions, animosities, and quarrels: Ephraim shall not envy Judah; on account of pre-eminence of office, gifts, and grace; and Judah shall not envy Ephraim (Isa. 11:13); by any haughty and over bearing carriage, or with wrangling debates, and opprobrious language; the two sticks of Ephraim and Judah, shall be one in the hand of the Lord; there will be perfect harmony and love, nothing to disturb, distress, and make uneasy, or tend to alienate the affections of one from another; there will be no pricking briar, nor grieving thorn (Ezek. 28:24) among them; they will be like the first Christians, of one heart, and of one soul, being of one mind, and of one judgment; all studying to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.

 

and this the coming of Jesus our friend and Saviour

 

another fragment

http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Misc/misc01_ch09.htm

and this about the rebuilding of the temple

 

Isaiah 11:1. Zerobabel in three other places, namely, Jeremiah 23:5. Zechariah 3:8 and 6:12." though he offers nothing in proof thereof. As to Isaiah 4:2. it is much more likely that the Messiah is intended than the Jews in captivity; for what great beauty and glory appeared in them, even when they returned from thence? Nay, this branch of the Lord, and fruit of the earth, is manifestly distinguished from them that are escaped from Israel, and him that is left in Zion. The beauty and glory predicted of this branch, best agrees with the Messiah; as do also the blessings promised in the following verses; such as the sanctification, washing away the filth, purging the blood of God’s people, and the protection and glory of them. That Hezekiah cannot be intended in Isaiah 11:1. I have already proved in a preceding chapter; for he must be born some years before this prophecy was given forth; and that Zerobabel is not Jeremy’s righteous Branch in chapter 23:5. I think I have sufficiently made appear; and shall now attempt to prove, that the Messiah, and not he, is intended by Zechary, when he says, Behold the man, whose name is the Branch. The Targum reads it, Behold the man, whose name is the Messiah. Jarchi says, there are some who interpret it of the king Messiah; which interpretation R. Abendana strenuously contends for;  and which is the sense of some of their ancient writers;  and that it is the true sense, may be pretty easily collected from the context. This person was to be both a king and priest; he shall sit and rule upon his throne, and he shall be a priest upon his throne. Zerobabel was neither king nor priest, the Messiah both. This person was to build the temple of the Lord, and to bear the glory: Not a third temple, which the Jews vainly expect; nor the second temple, built by Zerobabel, from whence so much glory did not arise to the builder of it, it being mean and contemptible, in comparison of that of Solomon’s; but the church of God, which is the temple of the living God, the pillar and ground of truth, which was to be built in a very glorious manner, in the days of the Messiah, and was to consist of Jews and Gentiles; for they that were afar off, that is, the Gentiles, were to come and build in the temple of the Lord, and so the counsel of peace was between them both; that is, Jew and Gentile, which was exactly fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus, who made peace between them both, incorporated them both into one building, of which he himself is the corner stone, in whom all the building fitly framed together, groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also, (Ephesians 2:14, 17.) that is, ye Ephesians, ye Gentiles, are builded together, with the Jews, for an habitation of God through the Spirit; and now he bears all the glory of it. Once more, this person was not as yet grown up out of his place, but it is promised that he should, which cannot be true of Zerobabel, who was already grown up, and had been for some time actually engaged in building the second temple, as appears from Haggai’s prophecy. The Messiah then, and not Zerobabel, is the person intended, whose name may well be called the Branch, by way of eminency, he being the most glorious branch of David’s family, who also was to spring from thence, when that family was only like a root in a dry ground; all which well agrees with the state of that family in the times of Jesus, and with that very mean appearance, which he made, when he, this branch, first budded forth from thence. The Septuagint here render the word hmx, the Branch, by anatolh, which properly signifies the rising of the sun, or that part of the heaven where the sun rises, and so may respect the Messiah as the sun of righteousness, who was to arise with healing in his wings.  Hence Zacharias in his song, calls the Messiah Jesus (Luke 1:78.) anatolh ex uyouv, the day-spring from on high, who hath visited us: and from hence, perhaps, Oriens was used for a name of the Messiah: and it is not without some shew of reason, that some  have thought this to be the meaning of the word in Tacitus, when he says, Pluribus persuasio inerat, antiquis sacerdotum literis continero, eo ipsi tempore fore, ut valesceret oriens, "many were persuaded that in the ancient books of the priests were contained a prophecy, that at that time the east should prevail." In fine, the Messiah is the man whose name is the Branch, so often spoken of by the prophets, so much expected by the Jews, and who budded forth in the person of Jesus. I shall conclude all with the words of Zacharias, (Luke 1:68 etc.). Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people, and hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spake by the mouth of all his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

The Messiah

http://mb-soft.com/believe/text/messiah.htm

 

sevens


Some Links May 28th 08

http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/messiah_14.html

http://www.livius.org/men-mh/messiah/messiah_13.html

Anointment
The Messianic Psalms
Micah and Isaiah
From Josiah to Cyrus
Zerubbabel
The Maccabaean revolt
The Messiah as military leader
The Messiah as sage
The Messiah as high-priest
The 'prophet like Moses'
Balaam's prophecy
The 'son of'-titles
Other titles
The two Messiahs of Qumran
Messianic expectations
Catastrophic messianism
The eschatological king
From Messiah to Christ

 

Messiah mystery follows death of mystical rabbi
Revered Israeli apocalyptic kabbalah leader shocks Jews, Christians with name 'Yeshua'
 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55765


A controversy is raging in Israel, in evangelical circles in the U.S. and on kabbalah web forums worldwide following the posthumous release of what a revered Sephardic rabbi claimed to be the name of the Messiah.

When Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri died in February 2006, somewhere between the age of 106 to possibly 117, 300,000 attended his funeral in Jerusalem.

The Baghdad-born kabbalist had gained notoriety around the world for issuing apocalyptic warnings and for saying he personally met the long-awaited Jewish Messiah in November 2003.

Before Kaduri died, he reportedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note, requesting it remained sealed for one year after his death. The note revealed the name of the Messiah as "Yehoshua" or "Yeshua" – or the Hebrew name Jesus.


 

However, complicating the story further, the note is being challenged as a forgery by his 80-year-old son Rabbi David Kaduri.

"It's not his writing," he is quoted as telling Israel Today.

The note, written in Hebrew and signed in the rabbi's name, said: "Concerning the letter abbreviation of the Messiah's name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are valid. This I have signed in the month of mercy."

The Hebrew sentence consists of six words. The first letter of each of those words spells out the Hebrew name Yehoshua or Yeshua.

The finding has raised a combination of excitement and controversy in both Jewish and Christian circles – but scarcely any media attention. Jewish blogs and web forums are filled with skeptical analysis and puzzlement.

"So this means Rabbi Kaduri was a Christian?" asked one poster rhetorically.

Another wrote: "The Christians are dancing and celebrating."

Not exactly.

 

In fact, many Christian discussion boards say Kaduri's description of the Messiah – no matter what his name – doesn't fit the biblical account of a returned Jesus of Nazareth, who, they believe, will rule and reign on Earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years.

About his encounter with the Messiah Kaduri claimed is alive in Israel today, he reportedly told close relatives: "He is not saying, 'I am the Messiah, give me the leadership.' Rather the nation is pushing him to lead them, after they find [in my words] signs showing that he has the status of Messiah."

Kaduri was also quoted as saying the imminent arrival of the Messiah will "save Jerusalem from Islam and Christianity that wish to take Jerusalem from the Jewish Nation – but they will not succeed, and they will fight each other."

Statements like that have some Christians wondering if Kaduri might be talking about another Yeshua – perhaps even a miracle-performing "false Christ" many evangelicals believe will precede the return of Jesus.

"It is hard for many good people in society to understand the person of the Messiah," Kaduri wrote before his death. "The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office, but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only righteousness and truth will reign."

Kaduri wrote that not all will believe in the Messiah – and that it will often be easier for non-religious people to accept him. He also describes a Messiah who is, at first, not aware of his position.

 

     
 


Kaduri's funeral

A few months before his death, Kaduri gave a Yom Kippur address in which he gave clues as to how to recognize the Messiah. He told those gathered for the Day of Atonement in his synagogue the Messiah would not come until former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon dies.

Sharon was stricken while in office Jan. 4, 2006. He remained in a coma until replaced by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. While many expected the imminent passing of Sharon, he has remained alive but unconscious ever since his attack.

Shortly after what Kaduri characterized as his Nov. 4, 2003, encounter with the Messiah, in which he said he learned his name, the rabbi began warning of impending disasters worldwide.

In September 2005 in a class at his Jerusalem yeshiva seminary, Kaduri called for Jews all over the world to return to Israel because of the calamities about to befall the Earth and for the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple.

"In the future, the Holy One, Blessed be He, will bring about great disasters in the countries of the world to sweeten the judgments of the land of Israel," he said.

In 1990, the late Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem Schneerson told Kaduri that he would live to see the coming of the Messiah.

Also in September 2005, Kaduri said: "The Messiah is already in Israel. Whatever people are sure will not happen is liable to happen, and whatever we are certain will happen may disappoint us. But in the end, there will be peace throughout the world."

As a lifelong student and teacher of kabbalah, Kaduri rejected a meeting requested by pop superstar Madonna, who dabbled in the ancient art of Jewish mysticism. He reportedly said at the time: "It is forbidden to teach a non-Jew kabbalah, not even Talmud, not even simple Torah."

Kaduri is said to have been one of the few known living practitioners who used his knowledge of kabbalah to affect change in the world. He would often distribute amulets intended to heal, enhance fertility and bring success. He was also believed to have been involved in the removal of 20 dybbuks, or lost souls that strayed into the hapless bodies of living people to torment them.

Aviel Schneider, the author of the Israel Today story, said the worldwide reaction to news of Kaduri's note has been "crazy." He said he has never received so many emails and calls from around the globe.

He said he was urged not to publish the story by the rabbi's yeshiva, where officials said it was "impossible" that the note was actually written by Kaduri.

But Schneider was given access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the exclusive use of his students. He was struck by symbols painted by Kaduri all over the pages.

"They were crosses," said Schneider. "In the Jewish tradition, you don't use crosses. You don't even use plus signs because they might be mistaken for crosses. But there they were, painted in his own hand."

Asked what those symbols meant, Kaduri's family said they were "signs of the angel."


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Wed May 28, 2008 1:06 pm

 

Actually the thought of Karma did enter my mind over the few days but personally I think its the global warming effect with heavier seas and more pressure on the plates and in a sense its a physical response to a spiritual limited attitude as to the cause of Global warming of which we all share perhaps without realizing.

It could be ultimately Karma but that is a blame we all share and not one nations should be isolated as we are family really and we all have an input into the condition of the planet.

About the dress Oh I just posted it because it was part of the article.

Nothing in it for me.

Anyway here is another article

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article ... 361110.htm

 

Quote:

EARTHQUAKES and aftershocks have damaged 2,385 reservoirs and hydropower stations across the country as of yesterday, the earthquake and relief headquarters of the Ministry of Water Resources has said, Xinhua reported.

Two reservoirs reported damage yesterday in Hunan Province. Both classified the damage as the third most dangerous according to a three-level scale, the report said.

The report did not give details on the damage.

A 5.4-magnitude aftershock shook Qingchuan County in Sichuan Province yesterday afternoon and it was followed by another centered in Ningqiang County in neighboring Shaanxi Province.

Four damaged reservoirs were categorized as large and 74 were mid-sized, the report said. Sixty-nine reservoirs were on the highest alert and the ministry has dispatched 18 expert teams to these locations to prevent them from busting, the report said.

In Sichuan, where the 8.0-magnitude quake struck on May 12, the provincial government has repaired 496 damaged reservoirs, the report added.



Sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Thu May 29, 2008 12:22 pm

Hi
One way they could check the authenticity of this document to check out the places in China found in the Journey like.

The TiTao pass which is called the HEXI Pass these days. I found out later the TiTao/Hexi pass that begins in Dingxi (formerly TiTao) near Lanchow/Lanzhou on the Yellow River where the corridor extends 1600km to the east entering the Sinkiang and the Tarim River Basin area. There are Neolithic sites found in Lanchow/Lanzhou

Another place is Suifu just South of Chengdu near the epicenter of the disaster.

Also I want to share that there is a shrine on the Hill in Sufui which has spiritual signicance and I feel it holds a few mysteries which could point to a few things...my hunch!


http://www.dalamatiacity.com/SuifuHill.jpg

Here is how this Chinese boy God is represented today looking at the Video below. This ancient Chinese character is represented today as a anime super hero. Could it be that due to this focalization into the Chinese religions with understanding that this character could be instrumental in avoiding the outcome of a potential disaster. By finding the shrine of the super hero anime figure within the research. Could this character be used today in projecting a warning of the current climate, Knowing that the truth beyond this character and in this research leads to Jesus' teachings and to the Melchizedeks original truths.

Nezha information
video
Little Nezha Fights Great Dragon Kings (Part 7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4_f-9ODqpA

The Dragon symbol as explained in the Urantia Book is representative of the dark side.

Could it be that the above video is in fact a metaphor of the spiritual battle we have today of the truth vanquishing un truth realizing correction and new destiny.  Is the Boy God of the Chinese religion Nezha is in fact a metaphor of what we face today?  in the fight of truth in this journey to the ancient places in the Chinese culture??  Maybe this was the point of the change of direction in this journey that focalised on the Melchizedek truths that lead to the discovery of Suifu Hill in China and the prophetic shrine on top of a respected mountain within the city.

and

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/chin ... y=LI-NEZHA

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/SuifuHill.jpg

Its like a triangle mountain and look familiar and note the house of the Boy God which shows the mount had spiritual and religious significance.

Here is how this Chinese boy God is represented today looking at the Video below. This ancient Chinese character is represented today as a anime super hero. Could it be that due to this focalization into the Chinese religions with understanding that this character could be instrumental in avoiding the outcome of a potential disaster in a metaphorical sense considering the current world climate. By finding the shrine of the super hero anime figure within the research. Could this character be used today in projecting a warning of the current climate, Knowing that the truth beyond this character and in this research leads to Jesus' teachings and to the Melchizedeks original truths.

Nezha information
video
Little Nezha Fights Great Dragon Kings (Part 7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4_f-9ODqpA

The Dragon symbol as explained in the Urantia Book is representative of the dark side.

Could it be that the above video is in fact a metaphor of the spiritual battle we have today of the truth vanquishing un truth realizing correction and new destiny. Is the Boy God of the Chinese religion Nezha is in fact a metaphor of what we face today? in the fight of truth in this journey to the ancient places in the Chinese culture?? Maybe this was the point of the change of direction in this journey that focalized on the Melchizedek truths that lead to the discovery of Suifu Hill in China and the prophetic shrine on top of a respected mountain within the city.

and

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/chin ... y=LI-NEZHA

Now just looking at the story of Nehza I can see strong parallel at the end of the story that connects to the overall plan of this journey. Apart from the weird goings on in the story, the end is the real truth of this story reconciliation between Father and Son and in relation to Heaven.

Here is a fragment of the end of the tale that I feel holds the truth. However associated with gambling and numbers I feel is not related to the truth and is a sign degradation of the truth within the tale. God/Paradise is not interested in chance, luck and gambling! but only in certainty and faith where man achieves the truth victory. However there is a supernal truth within the tale and that is Victory over untruth and division and reconciliation between Father and Son.

 

Quote:

But the JADE-EMPEROR, who couldn't help feeling that his original plan had gone somewhat awry, intervened and made peace between them. Father and son joined forces and thus begain their heroic career of demon-slaying.
Many years later, when LI-NEZHA was back in Heaven enjoying the rewards of his labors,

mortals back on Earth began to worship him as a God of Lotteries and Gambling. Of all the Chinese Gods, he's probably the only one mischievous enough to reveal the winning numbers.
 

 

I feel to associate God or the Gods with luck and gambling is an abomination and Paradise finds is offensive! All gambling for greed and selfishness is absolutley against the direction of Paradise! There is no Luck no such things and that thought process in completely low level to that of the rebel.



Even though this comes from different culture it still has all the hallmark of the direction of this journey!

All the best

sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Thu May 29, 2008 11:13 pm

Wow Petra!

I sounds like its all happening!

Just looking at the Earthquake watch there is a major earthquake everyday

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rec ... es_big.php

Amazing!

Its like I awake each day to find another 5+ earthquake.

Surely signs of the end times.

Sevens


Ancient Maps and Boundaries of China Didao2

http://map.huhai.net/

 

Ancient China Map note Lanchow and the prehistoric site near were the Hexi Pass or the TiTao pass began or ended depending which way you traveled.

Note the ancient name of the river the Tao Ho and notice the arrows of migration along the Hexi/TiTao Pass in the province of Kansu which totally confirms the Urantia Book.

http://map.huhai.net/

and here is the extract from the Urantia Book which is fulfilled in this map and the Urantia Book still uses the old name of Kansu which was changed to Gansu.

PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 138: About fifteen thousand years ago the Andites, in considerable numbers, were traversing the pass of Ti Tao and spreading out over the upper valley of the Yellow River among the Chinese settlements of Kansu. Presently they penetrated eastward to Honan, where the most progressive settlements were situated. This infiltration from the west was about half Andonite and half Andite.


In  regards to Suifu here is the Urantia Fragment regarding Suifu

A book that is a milestone in the history of Australia-China relations is George Ernest Morrison's An Australian in China. The title of the Chinese translation is "Zhongguo Fengqing", which can be translated back into English as something like "The Charms of China" (with the vagueness and ambiguity that that entails). While the translator may feel that, as a Chinese person, he has a more authoritative understanding of China than a foreigner 100 years earlier had had, in fact he has obviously not done any textual research. In Morrison's text there is a placename that is spelled "Suifu". This refers to the present-day town of Yibin, which was formerly known as Xufu. "Xufu" is how the Chinese characters for the placename would be rendered in the modern Pinyin system of romanisation, but in the romanisation system popular during Morrison's time it was spelt "Suifu". Disregarding this fact, the translator has tried to find the place with the closest match to "Suifu" in modern Pinyin romanisation, and has decided that Suifu is in fact meant to be the small town of Shuifu. Later on in the translation, a reference to the "right bank" of the river is changed to "left bank" for the sake of consistency with this mistranslation. The translator even goes so far as to insert a note saying that this is a mistake of the author's. It is quite outrageous.

 

and here is the Urantia Book fragment

PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 96: As the Salem missionaries passed through Asia, spreading the doctrine of the Most High God and salvation through faith, they absorbed much of the philosophy and religious thought of the various countries traversed. But the teachers commissioned by Melchizedek and his successors did not default in their trust; they did penetrate to all peoples of the Eurasian continent, and it was in the middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived in China. At See Fuch, for more than one hundred years, the Salemites maintained their headquarters, there training Chinese teachers who taught throughout all the domains of the yellow race.

and more about Suifu

A county administration was set up there in the 2nd century bc, and it first received the name I-pin in 742. Until the Sung dynasty (960–1279) the minor frontier prefecture there was called Jung, but, with the rapid expansion of Szechwan in Sung times, it grew rapidly, receiving its modern county name and becoming the seat of the prefecture of Hsü. In Ming (1368–1644) and Ch’ing (1644–1911) times, it became Hsü-chou superior prefecture, known to Europeans as Suifu. In 1912 it reverted to the status of a county as I-pin. In 1913 steamship communication with Ch’ung-ch’ing was opened, and it subsequently grew into a major collection and distribution centre dependent upon Ch’ung-ch’ing. Its commercial development progressed during World War II, when there was an influx of eastern merchants; some industry was also founded.

and more data to verify Suifu

http://www.populstat.info/Asia/chinat.htm

Yibin

  =     SC

Ipin, Suifu, I-pin, Suchow, Hsü-chau

and Titao as in the Titao pass in Western China near Lanchow

Titao

> see :

Didao

and

Didao

  HL   

Titao

and Lanchow and its related recent names

Lanzhou   

GS*  

   Lanchow, Kao lan, Gaolan, Lan-chou

All related and consistent with the Urantia truth.

 

In the following is an extract out of an expedition that traveled to all the places that we are researching, Suifu, Chengti right up to the Tao-Hi river which is near the TiTao pass close to Lanchow.

The four-month danger-ridden journey initially followed the ancient caravan route via Chaotung/Zhaotong and Suifu/Shuifu to Chengtu/Chengdu. Rock had to delay there for a month until the route became safe to continue on via Mienchow/Mianyang and across the Gansu border to Kaichou/Wudu, Minchou/Min Xian and Choni/Zhuoni. The details are recorded faithfully in Rock's copious diaries and also in the numerous letters he wrote to Sargent and others at the Arnold. Only someone of his stubborn determination, tenacity and bravery would have contemplated let alone successfully accomplished such a venture. He and his caravan eventually reached Zhuoni on April 21st 1925. Zhuoni, then a village of some four hundred families and roughly 2000 inhabitants, according to Rock, lies in the valley of the Tao He, a tributary of the great Huang He (Yellow River), at an altitude of 2500 metres. It was the centre of a semi-independent Tibetan principality of the same name which was ruled over by a hereditary prince called Yang Chi-ching. Rock described it thus: "The village is by far the best situated spot in Kansu Province, and the Prince's territory, which I traversed from north to south and east to west, is the choicest bit of land. Nowhere else in Kansu are there such forests, and the scenery is unsurpassed". Prince Yang (his actual title in the local Naxi dialect was t'ssu - chief or headman, tusi in pinyin) was in his mid thirties and was a cruel and rapacious leader by all accounts who treated his subjects abominably (he was later horribly murdered by his own

 

and here is another extract from a missionaries diary of crossing rapids on the Yangtze close to Suifu.

 

http://www.mymallandnews.com/MS1.pdf

 

Virtue Abundant White.” In 1940, Frank wrote from Szechwan: “I often smile as I

think of a prim and demur Chinese lady I collided with when our boat struck on

the Yangtze rapids near Suifu. Her smile, when I attempted to say in my politest

Chinese, ‘I have grievously offended you,’ made me look up my book at the first

opportunity. I had thanked her for being ‘of great assistance to me.’ “

Mom went to mainland China under the China Inland Mission in May

1948 and Malaya in 1951. “It took courage for a young girl to say goodbye to

family and friends to go to China in answer to God’s call,” Elvera Anderson

writes. “It took courage and heartbreak to say goodbye to their children knowing

that they wouldn’t see them again for maybe two or three years.” Eloise Nelson

writes that “our first memory of Lucinda long ago—a light-hearted, full-of-fun

person with a great sense of humor—a good counterpart for Harold’s earnest,

reflective demeanor.” Harold and Lucinda On February 9, 1952, the same day

that Queen Elizabeth II was crowned Queen of England, Mom married Dad in

Singapore. On that day, my parents and all of Great Britain prayed for divine

guidance for the years ahead.

and so Suifu was significant in those days and actually has some meaning in the organization of Society.

www.sssub.unibo.it/documenti/mingming.doc

The conception of the “Great Unity” seemed China-bound or even Zhou dynasty-bound theory instead of a “globalization theory” that has only become pervasive in the past decade in America-centered social science discourses.  However, one should not ignore the fact that “All Under Heaven” was regarded as the total square of the earth in the Scripture of Rites and many other early Confucian classics.   It was neither a theory of “floating continents” and nor a scientific theory of culture and the state.  “Unity” did not refer to a one-world culture.  But it did encompass a radiating system of “five zones” (wufu) which were hierarchically organized as a system of layered cultural maturity (jiaohua).  The center of the square-world was the “emperor’s capital” or “royal domains” (didu); radiating from it were zones which varied in terms of distance and cultural hierarchy from each other and from the center.  Scripture of Rites designated a class system for peoples and cultures whereby the center and the divided outer zones – the zone of feudal lands (dianfu), the zone of princes (houfu), the zone of pacification (suifu), the zone of allied ethnic groups (yaofu), and the zone of wilderness or cultureless (huangfu) -- were rendered their respective ceremonial and social institutions.  This was also a model for the world, which served not only as the city-scape for the design of the imperial capital and prefectural seats (Wang 1994) but also as a pattern (wen) whereby the worlds of civilization (wen) and wilderness (ye) were constructed in a hierarchically organized pattern.  Because all the species and customs included were disposed in a centripetal relationship with the center, the mapping in this scribe could be described in terms of an ethno-centric cosmos-geopolitic.      

 

and more adventure involving Suifu and some pictures of the close by mountains...interesting link

http://www.cnac.org/bull01.htm

 

Thank you Giff and here are those pictures.

Likiang Mountain, or Snow Mountain, (23,000 feet high) from my CNAC C47.
On the way from Dinjan, India to Suifu (Ipin)


Approaching Likiang Mountain, on top of the clouds, on CNAC flight from Dinjan to Suifu (Ipin)



Map to show to show the Hump route in relation to the rest of China and nearby countries
The gray area was occupied by the Japanese.

 

and this

 

ENCOUNTER IN SICHUAN:

David Crockett Graham, The West China Border Research Society, and Orientalism

This site examines the life and work of David Crockett Graham, a missionary, anthropologist, educator and collector who worked in China’s Sichuan province between the years of 1911 and 1948.  As a Westerner working in China during an extremely tumultuous period – his career there was bookended by two revolutions – Graham provides an interesting view into the encounter between the cultures of the “East” and “West.”  Graham created representations of China’s people through his work, as both a scientist and a missionary, and this study seeks to determine the extent to which Graham’s images fit the pattern of “Orientalism.”  This terms refers to the way Western culture was able to exert power over the Orient by producing the “Oriental” – a idealized figure with essential qualities inferior to the Westerner and his culture.  How did the work of Graham and his colleagues conceive of the East for Western readers?  To what extent did their representations support Western power?

and here is a pdf with pictures of the tombs in Suifu

digsuifu.pdf

and

PLATE III. The south grave, showing the stone coffin, and some of the Suifu people who took part in the excavation.

PLATE V. Ornamented bricks in situ. Part of the south grave. Unornamented bricks can be seen covering the top of the grave.

Large ends of ornamental bricks. The frequency of the Chinese coin designs is noteworthy.

Note the 3 co planar circles and the triangles perhaps a reflection of the Melchizedek missionaries in symbolism appearing??

and extract

forty and on another the number one hundred and forty. The characters on these bricks were written in an ancient Chinese style. Practically all the objects in the Suifu tombs closely resemble those that have been found in other parts of Szechwan in Han dynasty Chinese graves. It therefore seems safe tentatively to date Suifu tombs in the latter part of the Han dynasty, or at the latest during the Three Kingdoms or the Six Dynasties. The north grave was erected first and the south grave a short time afterwards. This is evident from the fact that a drainage ditch leading from the mouth of the north grave was covered by the stone foundation of the south grave. The graves were those of people of high culture, wealth, and social standing. This is indicated by the size of the graves and the value and artistic quality of the materials. Some gold-plated fragments of bronze were found, but it should be born in mind that what we secured was what the looters considered to be of little

digsuifu.pdf

The following is a list of the objects secured in the Suifu tombs, practically all of which are now in the Suifu Municipal Museum.

 

and this

http://www.cheirology.net/cheirologicalsociety/chingreal.htm

"(Buddhism and Taoism) have encouraged the belief that through charms, incantations, the worship of the gods, pilgrimages to sacred mountains, contributions to priests and to build or maintain temples and through magical religious ceremonies, practical benefits could be obtained leading to a more successful and satisfying life in this world." (p188)

and this fragment

In this law-abiding country the peasantry conspicuously follow the Confucian maxim taught in China four hundred years before Christ, "Do not unto others what you would not have others do unto you." Every rood of ground is under tillage.

http://www.talesofoldchina.com/library/morrison01.php

Sounds like an old Melchizedek truth that still reflects in Confucius.

Sevens


Post Re: Moderate earthquakes hit Central American countries Fri May 30, 2008 1:59 am

Hey Geo

I think you are on to something

It seems that everything is happening at the same time as foreseen by Jesus, like heading towards a final reality!

Everything is intense and will get more intense as we go forward in the timeline. However, in light of this, there will be a peace for those who follow Jesus' teachings our friend and truly our Saviour knowing that we are safe in Jesus and his truth!

Personally I want to get the get this leg finished soon before the final consummation, revealing and harvest time so we can go out there and kick some real goals for the Father in fixing this planet before we wreck it!!

yea!

sevens


Post Fri May 30, 2008 2:29 am Second earthquake follows In Iceland

Here is another report from Iceland

http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/05 ... n-iceland/

 

Quote:

Second but smaller quake followed the bigger earthquake and among other things interrupted a news interview where viewers can see how shaken people are and that when the smaller quake strikes it disturbs both the reporter and the woman being interviewed.

According to latest news the damage is much more than in the year 2000, this is due to the fact that this quakes epi-center is much closer to major towns in southern Iceland like Selfoss and Hveragerdi.

Selfoss hospital and homes for the elderly have been cleared and people are starting to put up tents in their gardens and are afraid to go back to their houses.

The loss in 2000 was estimated around 2,5 billion ISK and over 50 houses got damaged, the extend of the damage now is far more but still not clear.



sevens


Here is a link about TiTao pass another name is DiDao, DiDao or TiTao is a border town near Lanchow and at the entrance of the Titao pass on the Taohe River.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Didao

The Battle of Didao (狄道之战), also known as the Battle of the Gu Pass (故关之战) and Battle on the Western Bank of Tao River (洮西之战), is a battle in 255 during the Three Kingdoms period in China. It was fought between Shu Han and Cao Wei and resulted in a Cao Wei pyrrhic victory.

fragment

Wang Jing must wait until the arrival of reinforcement and avoid engaging the enemy, so Wang Jing was ordered to concentrate his force to guard Didao City for other reinforcement forces, while Chen Tai would lead the reinforcement toward Chencang (陈仓, located to the east of modern day Baoji).

 

and

Map of Dingxi another word for Didao, near Lanchow and which is a complete verification of the UB and is the location of the Titao pass of old.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLR,GGLR:2006-03,GGLR:en&q=Dingxi%20pass&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl

and here is terrain map which you can see the Titao pass/Didao/Dingxi

Dingxi orphanage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPGXuHLxMe4&feature=related

Image of Dingxu area near the TiTao pass

and a ploughed field near Dingxi

Dingxi is a prefecture-level city in China' s Gansu province.Dingxi City is located in central Gansu province, 98 km east of Lanzhou, giving it the nickname the " eastern gateway" . The Wei River, a tributary of the Yellow River flows through the district and provides it with the majority of its water. Dingxi is semi-arid, with little precipitation.

sevens


Post Re: Moderate earthquakes hit Central American countries Fri May 30, 2008 6:26 am

Hey Geo

Thanks for the post and pics I think its happening. I liked your texts, they are so true. for sure and relevant.

 

Quote:

The End Times: You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. (Matthew 24:6-8; Mark 13:7-8 NIV).

Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven." (Luke 21:10-11 NIV).



also I was thinking about this text you posted and this tinny little piece you posted about its is done!

 

Quote:

"The seventh angel poured his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, 'It is done!' And there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as had never been since men were on the earth, so great was that earthquake.



What is exactly is meant by
"It is Done", like a completed mystery and revealed?? what exactly is meant by "It is Done".

What is Done? It must be something specific.

What has be done to make it complete and finished?? Is it a revealment? Like something hidden and revealed to the world. Revealed and completed and done! What is finished? What is the object?

Ok so the Seventh angel is involved
"The seventh angel" so it must be something related to his custodianship and his function. Could the Seventh angel really be the Sevenfold Angels of the Sevenfold Mission Corps of this planet? Perhaps the Sevenfold Seraphic Angel of the Ancients of Days!

The Seventh angel is pouring
out his bowl. In short I believe pouring out the waters of truth until empty like complete!.

To me it has the hallmarks of a mystery revealing itself.

I was wondering what others thought.


Maybe??

Sevens


Post Re: Iran Arrests Suspected Converts to Christianity Fri May 30, 2008 7:27 am

That is just completely amazing and an incredible article.

I am flabbergasted and in wonder of the work of the last rebel of how he has turned a whole back to barbarous acts on someone's personal faith. That is not in the Quran surely!

It could only be the work of the rebel. Jesus nor the Mahdi would act in such a way! No way man!

Sevens


Post Re: Iran Arrests Suspected Converts to Christianity Fri May 30, 2008 7:27 am

That is just completely amazing and an incredible article.

I am flabbergasted and in wonder of the work of the last rebel of how he has turned a whole back to barbarous acts on someone's personal faith. That is not in the Quran surely!

It could only be the work of the rebel. Jesus nor the Mahdi would act in such a way! No way man!

But this was encouraging

 

Quote:

“We’ve got confirmed reports of groups of Muslim convert believers doubling in size in the last six months,” he said.



But still people still follow there hearts and instincts no matter the consequences. Good on them!

Maybe the truth is getting through and encouraging people and people over there are seeing the things for what they are?

The greatest contradiction is this.

There prophecies say that Jesus and the Last Mahdi come back to slay Dajjal at BabelLudd and yet they murder those who decide they want to follow Jesus. The ultimate hypocrisy wouldn't you say not to mention the ultimate offense to Paradise!

Im sure that status is unsustainable! This is the problem of a religious leadership that isolates themselves from the rest of spiritual body of the planet! Isolation is not good for individuals neither is it good for a nation as a nation including leadership can be lead astray! This also applies to Churches and spiritual movements that reject everything with no understanding and isolate themselves where weird, inconsistent ideas can arise.

I myself have to watch that problem as I work in isolation and that's why I share and test my research with my brothers so dont isolate myself completely and become astray!


Sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Fri May 30, 2008 6:20 pm

No Way Sissco, you're not stupid at all! Dont ever think that, you are a good man. You are highly prized in the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise and we are all learning here, Were all part of the family of Jesus our friend and saviour. No one is stupid! we are all students of Jesus and his angels as they are all teaching us in our own personal way.

Like us, I suppose the tectonic plates is like one big family, one plate if disrupted affects the other. Since the plates are underlined by semi viscous Basalt the shock of one plate undergoing displacement would definitely affect the other akin to the ripple effect!

All the best
Sevens


Icon 1 posted 05-30-2008 12:44 PM

quote:


Bare in mind that Critias described a society with horses and saddles not a transatlantic people. There has never been found anything in America (North and South) that can be dated that old. I believe the oldest pyramids can go as far as just three thousands.


That was interesting III keep that in mind, definitely!

Seems like a long way for the ancient Greeks to fight a war. They would not have the ability to sail into the lake in Bolivia and would have to go around South America to get there. Seems like a long way to go for a naval battle.
ahahahahah.

When they get to the Peruvian coast they would have to get out of their boats and carry them to the lake and then have a inland lake naval battle.

The whole Bolivia thing based on the Plato is just absurd. Utter rubbish how that is connected.

Mind you people from the Mesopotamia did get over there but went through the Pacific route when the islands where more numerous and could be traversed to reach Peru with a small flotilla. There is evidence that have already been uncovered to prove Sumerian culture and influence in Bolivia.

Maybe the ancient Sumerians when they arrived there through there legends of the Gods influenced the native population, admixed with them and replicated the ancient Sumerian myths in design and through there religions as we see today.

Bolivia is not the original home of the Gods but is type of the land of the Gods in design and in there religion with Western influence.

Although it would be a nice to visit and to explore the ancient sites over there.

Fantastic images

http://www.atlantisbolivia.org/tunupagallery.htm


Sevens


A look into Shinto

The Urantia Book word search on Shinto

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=shinto

3. The Brahman-Absolute concept of the Indian philosophers, coupled with the desire to escape all evil. Perhaps the greatest extraneous influence in the eastward spread of the Salem religion was exerted by the Indian teachers of the Vedic faith, who injected their conception of the Brahman--the Absolute--into the salvationistic thought of the Salemites.

Page 1033

This composite belief spread through the lands of the yellow and brown races as an underlying influence in religio-philosophic thought. In Japan this proto-Taoism was known as Shinto, and in this country, far distant from Salem of Palestine, the peoples learned of the incarnation of Machiventa Melchizedek, who dwelt upon earth that the name of God might not be forgotten by mankind.

In China all of these beliefs were later confused and compounded with the ever-growing cult of ancestor worship. But never since the time of Singlangton have the Chinese fallen into helpless slavery to priestcraft. The yellow race was the first to emerge from barbaric bondage into orderly civilization because it was the first to achieve some measure of freedom from the abject fear of the gods, not even fearing the ghosts of the dead as other races feared them. China met her defeat because she failed to progress beyond her early emancipation from priests; she fell into an almost equally calamitous error, the worship of ancestors.

But the Salemites did not labor in vain. It was upon the foundations of their gospel that the great philosophers of sixth-century China built their teachings. The moral atmosphere and the spiritual sentiments of the times of Lao-tse and Confucius grew up out of the teachings of the Salem missionaries of an earlier age.

This is the fragment in the Urantia Book that I am interested in

In the following is post I found that contains the name of the Gods in the Shinto religion of Japan.  It was this fragment from the Urantia Book that made me curious " the peoples learned of the incarnation of Machiventa Melchizedek, who dwelt upon earth that the name of God might not be forgotten by mankind"

So lets see what we can find about the name of God or Machiventa Melchizedek in the ancient Shinto religion.

Here is a post I found of a researcher who has extracted the names of the Japanese Gods that may unlock the mystery of this fragment found in the Urantia Book.

Chikubi:
http://www.townl.com/index.php?topic=88.0;wap2
This is an interesting thing I found out about the kanji for Light's name 月夜神 which in different reading of the kanji is the name of an ancient shinto god of the moon in japan named Tsukuyono-Mikoto. Tsuku (月 moon) yono (夜 night) Mikoto (神 God). They used to read Kami or Gami, as Mikoto a long time ago in japan. Therefore Yagami Light is actually named after an already existing shinto god in japan. Its not a coincidence, I'm sure. As for what value this holds to the story is up to the author and you.


This is what I found...

When the heaven and the earth were first created, the names of gods who resided in the Takamagahara plain
were Ameno-minakanushino-mikoto, then Takami-musubino-mikoto, and Kami-musubino-mikoto. These three gods are independent and hid themselves from us. This 'trinity god' gave birth to various gods. For example, a husband and wife gods of Inanagino-mikoto and Izanamino-mikoto. This couple gave birth to the islands of the Japanese Archipelago one after another through sexual intercourse. After they gave birth to the islands, they gave birth to various gods.   When Izanamino-mikoto washed his left eye with clean river water that flowed through Takamagahara plain, Amaterasu-oomi-mikoto was born. When he washed his right eye, Tsukuyono-mikoto was born. When he washed his nose, Susaono-mikoto was born. Izanagino-mikoto ordered Amaterasu-oomi-mikoto to rule over the day as sun does, ordered Tsukuyomino-mikoto to rule over the night as moon does, and
ordered Susanoono-mikoto to rule over the sea.

I believe that "mikoto" is a reflection of Melchizedek, the Immortal from Palestine? and the trinity Gods who hide themselves is the actual Trinity that Melchizedek represents.  I believe this the same Trinity that we believe in today and has the same construct taught in those days which still perpetuates today in Shinto and other religions like Christianity!

Mikoto = God, in Shinto and is the really the name Melchizedek.

"This 'trinity god' gave birth to various gods"

This is true to, the Trinity are the creators of the Universe and they did create the whole spiritual hierarchy of the Universe of Space/Time which includes the spiritual administration of this planet..

"After they gave birth to the islands, they gave birth to various gods."

Even though this interpreted as the Japanese island I believe its a distant reflection to the original home of the Gods lived in Dalamatia City and 1stEden.  The Sons of God were created and built Dalamatia City.  After 200,000 years the Sons of God fell into rebellion after which Dalamatia City was destroyed in a major submergence.

For example, a husband and wife gods of Inanagino-mikoto and Izanamino-mikoto

This is reflection of the creation of Adam and Eve created in 1stEden near the Acropolis Hill by the Trinity.  Adam and Eve were the physical planetary rulers at that time installed by the Paradise Trinity.  This also reflects the creation of the Sons of God who built Dalamatia City.  Both Adam and Eve and the Sons of God lived of the tree of life in their respective cities.

 

http://zenarchitect.com/garden.html

A garden theme purpose promotes vitalizing of one's being and reminds living in immortality. In fact, Shinto's viewed all things as living, therefore include every material aspect in staging detail. Shinto's expressions were designed to promote deep contemplation for vitally to rise an ethereal like experience. This elusory experience of protruding rocks were believed to pulsate a masculine "CHI" to feel "Qi" (known as vital breath), acquiring spirit of Zen. The spotted rocks represent an ancient folklore "Sacred String of Islands" that brings immortality and longevity. The symbol of the classic red arched bridge fuses gaps within the crossing seas of islands. This "cross-over" theme within islands was believed to string a unifying awareness of transitioning separate worlds.

 

Here is another fragment from the Urantia Book that displays the fine truth of Shinto in the original form as Ganids book of truth that consist of a collection of truth commonalities in each religion.

Urantia Book web link

7. SHINTO

Only recently had the manuscripts of this Far-Eastern religion been lodged in the Alexandrian library. It was the one world religion of which Ganid had never heard. This belief also contained remnants of the earlier Melchizedek teachings as is shown by the following abstracts:

"Says the Lord: `You are all recipients of my divine power; all men enjoy my ministry of mercy. I derive great pleasure in the multiplication of righteous men throughout the land. In both the beauties of nature and the virtues of men does the Prince of Heaven seek to reveal himself and to show forth his righteous nature. Since the olden people did not know my name, I manifested myself by being born into the world as a visible existence and endured such abasement even that man should not forget my name. I am the maker of heaven and earth; the sun and the moon and all the stars obey my will. I am the ruler of all creatures on land and in the four seas. Although I am great and supreme, still I have regard for the prayer of the poorest man. If any creature will worship me, I will hear his prayer and grant the desire of his heart.'

"`Every time man yields to anxiety, he takes one step away from the leading of the spirit of his heart.' Pride obscures God. If you would obtain heavenly help, put away your pride; every hair of pride shuts off saving light, as it were, by a great cloud. If you are not right on the inside, it is useless to pray for that which is on the outside. `If I hear your prayers, it is because you come before me with a clean heart, free from falsehood and hypocrisy, with a soul which reflects truth like a mirror. If you would gain immortality, forsake the world and come to me.'"

That was absolutely beautiful and is reflective of the Melchizedeks Missionaries core truth that ultimately came to Japan in the form of Shinto.

Now Shinto was introduced from China through the traveling Missionaries.  Shinto has much commonality with Tao being a proto Taoism religion.  Let us have a look at the commonalities of the Trinity that both religions share.

 

line 113: Lao-tse built directly upon the concepts of the Salem traditions when he declared Tao to be the One First Cause of all creation. Lao was a man of great spiritual vision. He taught that "man's eternal destiny was everlasting union with Tao, Supreme God and Universal King." His comprehension of ultimate causation was most discerning, for he wrote: "Unity arises out of the Absolute Tao, and from Unity there appears cosmic Duality, and from such Duality, Trinity springs forth into existence, and Trinity is the primal source of all reality." "All reality is ever in balance between the potentials and the actuals of the cosmos, and these are eternally harmonized by the spirit of divinity."

As Suggested in the Urantia Book fragment that Shinto is ProtoTao religion that spread from China to Japan.

If we just look at the name of Shinto we can already see commonality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

Shinto (神道 Shintō?) is the native religion of Japan and was once its state religion. It is a type of polytheism, and involves the worship of kami (?), or spirits. Some kami are local and can be regarded as the spiritual being/spirit or genius of a particular place, but others represent major natural objects and processes: for example, Amaterasu, the Sun goddess, or Mount Fuji. Shinto is an animistic belief system. The word Shinto, from the original Chinese Shendao (神道),[1] combines two kanji: "shin" (?) (loanwords usually retain their Chinese pronunciation, hence shin not kami), meaning gods or spirits; and "" (?), meaning a philosophical way or path (originally from the Chinese word dao). As such, Shinto is commonly translated as "The Way of the Gods." Some differences exist between koshinto (the ancient Shintō) and the many types of Shinto taught and practiced today, showing the influences of Buddhism when it was introduced into Japan in the sixth century.[2]

After World War II, Shinto ceased to be Japan's state religion, although it continued to be considered the native religion of Japan. Some Shinto practices and teachings, once given a great deal of prominence during the war, are no longer taught or practiced today, while others still exist as commonplace activities such as omikuji (a form of fortune-telling) and the Japanese New Year to which few people give religious connotations. Important national ceremonies such as coronations and imperial marriages are conducted at the Three Palace Sanctuaries in Tokyo.

So as you can ShenDao in China became Shinto in Japan where Shen = spiritual power and Dao = Tao which = To in Japanese, the way of the Gods. But in truth "the way of God"

Regarding symbolism check out the concentric circles on top of the doorway of the Shinto temple.  Could this symbol be an ancient reflection of the Melchizedek symbol in Shinto.

http://www.trincoll.edu/zines/tj/tj4.4.96/articles/cover.html

Here is another concentric circle of another temple.

Here is an interesting link describing the origins of Shinto in Japan,

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/ANCJAPAN/SHINTO.HTM

Here is a visual description of the Hierarchy and a reference to the Perpetual country, Tokoyo.  This perpetual country referred to In Shinto could very well be ancient reflection of the true of land of the Gods in the West, reflective of 1stEden and Dalamatia City.

 

http://www.crystalinks.com/shinto.html

Two different views of the world were present in ancient Shinto. One was the three-dimensional view in which the Plain of High Heaven (Takama no Hara, the kami's world), Middle Land (Nakatsukuni, the present world), and the Hades (Yomi no Kuni, the world after death) were arranged in vertical order. The other view was a two-dimensional one in which this world and the Perpetual Country (Tokoyo, a utopian place far beyond the sea) existed in horizontal order. Though the three-dimensional view of the world (which is also characteristic of North Siberian and Mongolian shamanistic culture) became the representative view observed in Japanese myths, the two-dimensional view of the world (which is also present in Southeast Asian culture) was dominant among the populace.

This "Perpetual Country is this description of the lands and cities of the Gods reflective in this religion. (Tokoyo, a utopian place far beyond the sea)"  All descriptive of the land of immortality as land in the sea!

 

In this thought Im going back to SuiFu.  As we now the Melchizedek missionaries had a headquartes in SuiFu China where the missionaries spread the Melchizedek gospel throughout China and to Japan.  It just happens that there is a village called Suifu.  I wonder if there related reflected connection to Suifu in China.

Having a look

Here is a link to Suifu-mura Japan

Suifu-mura, Ibaraki, Japan

http://travelingluck.com/Asia/Japan/Ibaraki/_2110961_Suifu-mura.html#themap

Interesting numbers on the Latitude latitude. 36.6333333°, longitude. 140.5°

ahahahah

Images of Suifu Maru..  Im not sure if there is a connection but its good to look.

Anyway here is a link on Mikoto that I found interesting.

http://eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/entry.php?entryID=14

and Suif Maru link

http://pacific-islander.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html

 

Sevens


Here is another great piece of research from Urantia Book researchers

http://www.squarecircles.com/articles/joysastrip/joysastoryN16.htm

Sevens


This is what the isthmus of 1st Eden would of looked like.  The Image is the isthmus of Corinth

http://www.squarecircles.com/articles/joysastrip/joysastoryN16.htm

and the great Melchizedek symbol


The floor of a church near the Garden of Gethsemane


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat May 31, 2008 3:52 am

 

And in this link I would like to give honour to Jesus and Ganid in their work in compiling the best of all religions book which was compiled from common fragments of all the world religions reflective of the Melchizedek missionary teachings in thise long ago times in different countries.

 

Quote:

PAPER 131 - THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS
During the Alexandrian sojourn of Jesus,
Gonod, and Ganid, the young man spent much of his time and no small sum of his father's money making a collection of the teachings of the world's religions about God and his relations with mortal man. Ganid employed more than threescore learned translators in the making of this abstract of the religious doctrines of the world concerning the Deities. And it should be made plain in this record that all these teachings portraying monotheism were largely derived, directly or indirectly, from the preachments of the missionaries of Machiventa Melchizedek, who went forth from their Salem headquarters to spread the doctrine of one God--the Most High--to the ends of the earth.
There is presented herewith an abstract of Ganid's manuscript, which he prepared at Alexandria and Rome, and which was preserved in India for hundreds of years after his death.
He collected this material under ten heads, as follows:


http://dalamatiacity.com/our_religion.htm

Also consider that the book that Jesus and Ganid produced from the Library of Alexandria drawing the best out of all the religion of the world is no different to this journey drawing all the connections with everything and drawing the best commonalities on each religion focusing on the Melchizedek missionaries.

I dedicate this post to Jesus and Ganid in the production of this fine book that leads to a/our/new religion. The religion of Jesus, our Saviour and friend spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, proclaimed to every person on the planet through the internet.

Praise the Lord! I say yea!, yea!, yea!

Sevens


 


Fragments

Urantia Book Link

Ever remember, there is a city whose foundations are righteousness and truth, and whose builder and maker is God."

PAPER 91 - THE EVOLUTION OF PRAYER, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 90: But prayer need not always be individual. Group or congregational praying is very effective in that it is highly socializing in its repercussions. When a group engages in community prayer for moral enhancement and spiritual uplift, such devotions are reactive upon the individuals composing the group; they are all made better because of participation. Even a whole city or an entire nation can be helped by such prayer devotions. Confession, repentance, and prayer have led individuals, cities, nations, and whole races to mighty efforts of reform and courageous deeds of valorous achievement.

Here is a fragment about Dalamatia City and construction and embellishment of mineral relating to art.

PAPER 50 - THE PLANETARY PRINCES, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 71: Much of the physical work connected with the establishment of this headquarters city is performed by the corporeal staff. Such headquarters cities, or settlements, of the early times of the Planetary Prince are very different from what a Urantia mortal might imagine. They are, in comparison with later ages, simple, being characterized by mineral embellishment and by relatively advanced material construction. And all of this stands in contrast with the Adamic regime centering around a garden headquarters, from which their work in behalf of the races is prosecuted during the second dispensation of the universe Sons.

 

The Full article

4. THE PLANETARY HEADQUARTERS AND SCHOOLS

The prince's corporeal staff early organize the planetary schools of training and culture, wherein the cream of the evolutionary races are instructed and then sent forth to teach these better ways to their people. These schools of the prince are located at the material headquarters of the planet.

Much of the physical work connected with the establishment of this headquarters city is performed by the corporeal staff. Such headquarters cities, or settlements, of the early times of the Planetary Prince are very different from what a Urantia mortal might imagine. They are, in comparison with later ages, simple, being characterized by mineral embellishment and by relatively advanced material construction. And all of this stands in contrast with the Adamic regime centering around a garden headquarters, from which their work in behalf of the races is prosecuted during the second dispensation of the universe Sons.

In the headquarters settlement on your world every human habitation was provided with abundance of land. Although the remote tribes continued in hunting and food foraging, the students and teachers in the Prince's schools were all agriculturists and horticulturists. The time was about equally divided between the following pursuits:

1. Physical labor. Cultivation of the soil, associated with home building and embellishment.

2. Social activities. Play performances and cultural social groupings.

3. Educational application. Individual instruction in connection with family-group teaching, supplemented by specialized class training.

4. Vocational training. Schools of marriage and homemaking, the schools of art and craft training, and the classes for the training of teachers--secular, cultural, and religious.

5. Spiritual culture. The teacher brotherhood, the enlightenment of childhood and youth groups, and the training of adopted native children as missionaries to their people.

A Planetary Prince is not visible to mortal beings; it is a test of faith to believe the representations of the semimaterial beings of his staff. But these schools of culture and training are well adapted to the needs of each planet, and there soon develops a keen and laudatory rivalry among the races of men in their efforts to gain entrance to these various institutions of learning.

From such a world center of culture and achievement there gradually radiates to all peoples an uplifting and civilizing influence which slowly and certainly


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transforms the evolutionary races. Meantime the educated and spiritualized children of the surrounding peoples who have been adopted and trained in the prince's schools are returning to their native groups and, to the best of their ability, are there establishing new and potent centers of learning and culture which they carry on according to the plan of the prince's schools.

On Urantia these plans for planetary progress and cultural advancement were well under way, proceeding most satisfactorily, when the whole enterprise was brought to a rather sudden and most inglorious end by Caligastia's adherence to the Lucifer rebellion.

It was one of the most profoundly shocking episodes of this rebellion for me to learn of the callous perfidy of one of my own order of sonship, Caligastia, who, in deliberation and with malice aforethought, systematically perverted the instruction and poisoned the teaching provided in all the Urantia planetary schools in operation at that time. The wreck of these schools was speedy and complete.

Many of the offspring of the ascenders of the Prince's materialized staff remained loyal, deserting the ranks of Caligastia. These loyalists were encouraged by the Melchizedek receivers of Urantia, and in later times their descendants did much to uphold the planetary concepts of truth and righteousness. The work of these loyal evangels helped to prevent the total obliteration of spiritual truth on Urantia. These courageous souls and their descendants kept alive some knowledge of the Father's rule and preserved for the world races the concept of the successive planetary dispensations of the various orders of divine Sons.

another interesting fragment

PAPER 50 - THE PLANETARY PRINCES, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 121: On first thought it might appear that Urantia and its associated isolated worlds are most unfortunate in being deprived of the beneficent presence and influence of such superhuman personalities as a Planetary Prince and a Material Son and Daughter. But isolation of these spheres affords their races a unique opportunity for the exercise of faith and for the development of a peculiar quality of confidence in cosmic reliability which is not dependent on sight or any other material consideration. It may turn out, eventually, that mortal creatures hailing from the worlds quarantined in consequence of rebellion are extremely fortunate. We have discovered that such ascenders are very early intrusted with numerous special assignments to cosmic undertakings where unquestioned faith and sublime confidence are essential to achievement.

and the city of disappointed hopes and ambition which can reflect Dalamatia City, the fallen planetary headquarters built by the Sons of God submerged in the Persian Gulf.

PAPER 130 - ON THE WAY TO ROME, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 137:           The young man was disinclined to talk, and so Jesus made a second approach to his soul, saying: "I understand you come up in these hills to get away from folks; so, of course, you do not want to talk with me, but I would like to know whether you are familiar with these hills; do you know the direction of the trails? and, perchance, could you inform me as to the best route to Phenix?" Now this youth was very familiar with these mountains, and he really became much interested in telling Jesus the way to Phenix, so much so that he marked out all the trails on the ground and fully explained every detail. But he was startled and made curious when Jesus, after saying good-bye and making as if he were taking leave, suddenly turned to him, saying: "I well know you wish to be left alone with your disconsolation; but it would be neither kind nor fair for me to receive such generous help from you as to how best to find my way to Phenix and then unthinkingly to go away from you without making the least effort to answer your appealing request for help and guidance regarding the best route to the goal of destiny which you seek in your heart while you tarry here on the mountainside. As you so well know the trails to Phenix, having traversed them many times, so do I well know the way to the city of your disappointed hopes and thwarted ambitions. And since you have asked me for help, I will not disappoint you." The youth was almost overcome, but he managed to stammer out, "But÷I did not ask you for anything÷" And Jesus, laying a gentle hand on his shoulder, said: "No, son, not with words but with longing looks did you appeal to my heart. My boy, to one who loves his fellows there is an eloquent appeal for help in your countenance of discouragement and despair. Sit down with me while I tell you of the service trails and happiness highways which lead from the sorrows of self to the joys of loving activities in the brotherhood of men and in the service of the God of heaven."

Dalamatia City , the city of Jesus' disappointed hopes and ambition.

 

Art and the gardens of Dalamatia City

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line 135: Mek did a great deal to advance the culture of the Andonites and to improve the art of the blue man. A blend of the blue man with the Andon stock produced an artistically gifted type, and many of them became master sculptors. They did not work in stone or marble, but their works of clay, hardened by baking, adorned the gardens of Dalamatia.


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China

Hi Petra...no worries!

 here is another whopper of an earthquake on the Indian ridge under the water near Amsterdam island

MAP 6.6 2008/05/31 04:37:56 -41.293 80.474 10.0 MID-INDIAN RIDGE

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rec ... es_big.php


sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:53 am

Hi Petra,

I know the major earthquakes seem to be a normal thing these days. However, because we have the Internet we know about these things in the instant they happen where as in past it would only be an article and with some TV news. Now we can watch these events in virtual real time which off course can fuel speculation as we are better informed.

Whether there is an increase on the average Im not sure, to be honest it could be.

I suppose all countries are interdependent and what effects China affects all of us.

Anyway, I feel for the people as much infrastructure has either been damaged or destroyed and I wish the Chinese brothers all the very best in there efforts to repair things and bring life to a normal state in spite of all the additional problems they have like with flooding and potential dam bursts.

I personally think the Chinese government is trying there best, a far cry from the poor people in Burma who have to suffer a corrupt military government on top of the problems the people have and a government who couldn't careless for the people except for their own stupid power crap! Just short of an abomination in attitude in my view and against the spirit of Paradise in helping ones fellow brother unconditionally in his time of crisis!

Sevens


Post Re: Imagine!! Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:24 am

Sissco

Yes, I really enjoyed your presentation, you should expand no it further and create a book.

I think you write well better than me
ahahahahahahahahah

Sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:04 am

Yes I think the Burma is a really crappy government

here is just examples

This is what its all about..... power and control, nothing to do with the welfare of the people

Burma's Rulers Tighten Grip on Power
http://www.voanews.com/english/NewsAnal ... -voa66.cfm

US says Burma 'deaf and dumb to offers of aid'
http://news.scotsman.com/world/US-says- ... 4139937.jp


Well all I can say is that there actions will be taken into account! and they will not escape!

Sevens


Here is something that I just discovered about birthdays in common with the pronouncement of the new nation Israel in 1948.
 

I just found out in this time that Israel was reborn on On May 14, 1948,   Eh that's my birthdate May 14 1961, 13 years later

 

ahahah

sevens



Just a thought about this extract from Bush' speech in the Israeli Knesset on May 15 2008

 

Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: "Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history. (Applause.)

 

I wonder if the above bold reflects the reply to the proposal I sent twice to the white house about the ancient cities and the verification of Dalamatia City being the argument to persuade the terrorists to lay down their arms introducing an expanded truth that touches the heart of their religion.

 

I just wonder,  I dont think what Bush said was intended for Obama.  Perhaps it was in reply to the proposal I sent to his house?  On the contrary, my proposal maybe the best way forward since the problems of terrorism stems from religion and the poor interpretation of it.

Sevens


Post Saudi clerics say Shi'ites destabilizing Muslim countries Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:54 pm

Saudi clerics say Shi'ites destabilizing Muslim countries, blast Hizbullah
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull

 

Quote:

Saudi Sunni clerics have accused Shi'ites of destabilizing Muslim countries and humiliating Sunnis who live under their control.

The clerics' statement specifically mentions Iran and Iraq. It also blasts Iranian-backed Shi'ite Hizbullah in Lebanon, saying it has tricked Muslims into believing it is anti-US and anti-Israel.

Hizbullah won admiration across the Arab world when it bombarded northern Israel with nearly 4,000 rockets during a war in summer 2006.

But its popularity took a hit in some Arab countries when Hizbullah fighters seized control of large parts of predominantly Sunni areas in Beirut last month. Some Arab media have portrayed the Lebanese street fights as a Shi'ite incursion against Sunnis, a claim Hizbullah has denied.


They'll probably end up fighting amongst themselves as this division widens with that religion.

I figure if the dividers dont correct, they probably will end up wiping themselves out, amongst themselves.

Isn't it in the Bible that they will end up fighting amongst themselves?? through a divide that form amongst that religion in the end times.

I have to say what a mess this planet is due to poor interpretation of the books. Since we all believe in the one God why does this have to happen surely one can see the work of the last rebel.

Im just so glad that Christianity is unified in the essentials and that we are NOT hurting each other due to bad interpretation, its a solid religion which have the best truth more than any other religion and yet Christianity is due for truthful and worthy upgrade with Jesus at the helm in the completion of Christianity.

Praise the Lord! the benefits of tolerance and sharing our personal journey in truth , beauty and goodness with Jesus.

Sevens
 


Post Re: Saudi clerics say Shi'ites destabilizing Muslim countries Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:10 pm

 

Hi Petra
It just such a struggle to get a worthy government happening for this planet. What's the problem with all these people how they lead themselves into such a mess following deceptive thoughts and aspirations to be king of the castle is beyond me.

Honestly man is an idiota following personal deceptive selfvaingloriness that will end up as naught! looking at the witness currently.

Jesus and his teachings is the only hope for the future destiny.

Why dont these people take a break and go for a long term picnic or something! and think about what is happening and what they are doing in the overall picture.

Man O man! get your act together! Why can we just have an easier better system saving all the debt, greed and power over others and including all the emperor worship of figures of the past which is in our current system replacing the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven! even in our society!

The whole thing is just sick to the bone!

Sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:36 pm

Hopefully tomorrow will bring in the Advent of our master, friend and Saviour Jesus.

Wouldn't that be just fantastic but Im sure there is more to come but then again the latter days are shortened for the elects sake which could mean that not all prophecy may come to pass as the end times are simply cut short and we know the out come so why not come now as we realize many things.

Maybe Im just a little impatient. ahahahah

You just never know anything can happen in a world full of spiritual flux.

Well I cant wait for Jesus to come as he may say enough is enough.

Would be nice to spare us from all this damage and desperation currently happening.

I suppose there will be more earthquakes as travel head long into the end times.

You know Im getting used to all these earthquakes, its like a normal run of mill thing these days!

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:16 am

Im just having this thought at the moment about the state of the planet, the system and the problems happening at the moment.

Im thinking about the Last Rebel.

From this human being, me, the lowest sentient being in the space/time universe I wonder if its possible to make an appeal to the last Rebel to come back into the fold of Jesus his creator through a sincere repentance.

I know that the last rebel is insane! Literally, but I wonder if there is something left in him which may respond to the invitation of abandoning the Lucifer rebellion manifesto and bring him back from the brink of total annihilation. I wonder if there is some spark of truth within him wanting to be embraced by the Father in his isolation.

Like Darth Vader who came back to the embrace of the spiritual Jedi. In type, this could be the case with the last rebel. He is on his own on this planet, isolated from the rest of his rebel brothers who are currently interned awaiting adjudication from the Ancient of Days.

I wonder, if in this case, if the rebel can be invited back to the Sevenfold through an invitation of forgiveness through repentance with full sincerity! This would save all of us many future problems.

He knows that his time is up soon and that he will loose existence, personality destruction. He is currently being exposed and we are getting to know his methods and tactics, its all in the open, we know the truth of everything or most things about him. Most of the planet in truth, have no desire for his sophistries as it leads to death and destruction. Faced with truth, No one is going to follow him knowing the real truth of the saga of this planet and his involvement and the flawed Lucifer manifesto. All his efforts and invested resources are essentially a waste of time not to mention the loss of human life.

He might as well stop and consider this path of forgiveness through Jesus, his Father.

I appeal to secondary Lanondadek son Caligastia, ex planetary prince of earth, to abandon the current quest, its not worth it!. the Lucifer Manifesto has proved a failure, Caligastia...repent and come back to the Sevenfold its the only opportunity of life that is left open for you. With sincere repentance Jesus will forgive you like he forgives all man.

If that was the case he would be taken of the planet under custodianship of the Ancient of Days for rehabilitation.

Melchizedek has already taken his place and role as planetary prince.

I believe if Caligastia repented sincerely he would be forgiven by Jesus his Father.

I sense that the Last rebel Caligastia is completely worn out as he receives no sustenance from Satan or Lucifer as they are in Jail at this time. You know when you are isolated, receiving no spiritual sustenance you cant last long and you can become severely maladjusted and further insane.

I believe he is worn out, looking terrible as Enoch mentions, the only thing that prevents him from repentance is pride. I say to him, abandon the quest of pride as it will be fruitless! repent to the Jesus and ask for help. Like a Father and Son reconciliation.

I know Jesus will forgive him, no worries at all.

Honestly, the game is up and there is one road of life left open to him should he decide to take the road of forgiveness.

Come back to the Father Caligastia, let not pride be the stumbling block because this comes from the lowest sentient being.

Failing that its just personality annihilation.

Who is Caligastia?
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper66.html
 

Sevens


Post Re: Iran FM calls on Muslims to 'erase' Israel Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:24 am

Isn't it just ridiculous

All this rhetoric.

Sevens


Post Re: China Prevents Christians Of Helping Earth Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:09 am

Well that's just not a good thing and the Chinese should be mindful of who they really persecute in there faith.

The whole spiritual government of this planet barring the last rebel has Jesus as its foundations.

Well All I can say all has been foreseen, we are in the timeline and if the Government of China are smart they would look into the matter and review there attitude towards the persecution of Christians and other people of religion.

I dont think they will because of pride and lack of understanding and that's why we have the end times and does include a judgement of all physical governments on this planet.

The Chinese government could loose everything at the end of the day for there religious persecution. Correction wont be from the US or anything like that but from the Government of Jesus on this planet! represented by the Ancient of Days and Paradise.

All this is Quite possible and they must refrain from religious persecution because no government of the planet can stop the Government of the Father as it reveals itself through the signs and we are in the signs.

Sevens


 

 

 


Post Re: China Prevents Christians Of Helping Earth Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:44 am NeZha1

Like I was saying a short time ago from the hill of Suifu that there is shrine on top of the Boy God NeZha sitting in his shrine, like a silent prophecy awaiting to happen where NeZha for the Chinese people is a type of correction.

In anime NeZha is the boy of immortality who slays the dragon with his circular Gold ring and the Circular ring is in type a symbol of the Melchizedek truth used in the slaying of the dragon.

Image

Information on
Nehza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nezha_(deity)

and

A video that is the outworking of the NehZa prophecy in Chinese Culture.

Nezha Conquers the Dragon King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4_f-9ODqpA

Who is represented as the Dragon? and Nehza who single-handedly slays the Dragon.

Here is UB Dragon word search on Dragon

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... mit=Submit


and Some fragments

 

Quote:

PAPER 85 - THE ORIGINS OF WORSHIP, Oct 19 2000

line 61: The Hebrews worshiped serpents down to the days of King Hezekiah, and the Hindus still maintain friendly relations with their house snakes.
The Chinese worship of the dragon is a survival of the snake cults. The wisdom of the serpent was a symbol of Greek medicine and is still employed as an emblem by modern physicians. The art of snake charming has been handed down from the days of the female shamans of the snake love cult, who, as the result of daily snake bites, became immune, in fact, became genuine venom addicts and could not get along without this poison.

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PAPER 53 - THE LUCIFER REBELLION, Oct 19 2000

line 40: The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, "Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age." Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: "And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day."

line 92: "There was war in heaven; Michael's commander and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer, Satan, and the apostate princes); and the dragon and his rebellious angels fought but prevailed not." This "war in heaven" was not a physical battle as such a conflict might be conceived on Urantia. In the early days of the struggle Lucifer held forth continuously in the planetary amphitheater. Gabriel conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries from his headquarters taken up near at hand. The various personalities present on the sphere who were in doubt as to their attitude would journey back and forth between these discussions until they arrived at a final decision.

line 120: Of the planetary angelic helpers, those assigned to the Material Sons, about one third were deceived, and almost ten per cent of the transition ministers were ensnared. In symbol John saw this when he wrote of the great red dragon, saying: "And his tail drew a third part of the stars of heaven and cast them down in darkness."


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PAPER 59 - THE MARINE-LIFE ERA ON URANTIA, Oct 19 2000

line 162: Very soon thereafter the insects first appeared and, together with spiders, scorpions, cockroaches, crickets, and locusts, soon overspread the continents of the world. Dragon flies measured thirty inches across. One thousand species of cockroaches developed, and some grew to be four inches long.



So as we see its a spiritual battle of the forces of light and darkness which all comes to truth. But then one must ask who does the Chinese Government represent?? The Dragon as displayed in there persecution of people who want to follow a religion of their heart and freewill. These are all serious questions the Government of China must ask themselves who may be unknowingly in their actions actually representing the Dragon, the great RED dragon in prophecy which covers a third of the world which may include population.

and here is a little info on what the rest of the Universe sees
whats going on here as we go through our own Saga with the Dragon and note the Melchizedek banner like we have in this journey to the end times.

 

Quote:

Hour by hour and day by day the broadcast stations of all Nebadon were thronged by the anxious watchers of every imaginable class of celestial intelligence, who intently perused the bulletins of the Satania rebellion and rejoiced as the reports continuously narrated the unswerving loyalty of the ascending mortals who, under their Melchizedek leadership, successfully withstood the combined and protracted efforts of all the subtle evil forces which so swiftly gathered around the banners of secession and sin.



Like we have in this journey to the ancient places under the banner of the Melchizedek.

Again note the Dragon of untruth is slayed by the Ring

Also when the Dragon slew a third of heaven that is representative of the fallen angels on Earth following the Lucifer rebellion. But the Dragon is slayed at the end of the Day by the Melchizedek truth!

Mind you all this comes from the Hill of Suifu which was I believe the Headquarters of the Melchizedek Missionaries around 2500BC, the Hill from where the Melchizedek truth came from and today the hill presents its truth with its contribution in the end times.

NeZha seems like a messianic figure in the Chinese religion.


All the best
 

Sevens


Post Re: China Prevents Christians Of Helping Earth Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:26 am

The Best thing for the Chinese government to do is refrain from all persecution religious or otherwise and come on board to verify Dalamatia City and the truth of the matter.

It would for the best interest for themselves and for the people. Same for goes for all quarters of our global society and all countries and religions.

Its just a simple easy journey to sound and verify the truth.

The thing is....The Father is going to what he wants to do at anytime and if people dont listen and adhere in truth. It doesn't matter the truth will keep on revealing itself it and will still move forward because the door is open and if no one listens TOUGH for them because everything will carry regardless what mankind thinks.

The Father doesn't care about peoples worthless opinions all the Father is interested in is the TRUTH and that's all. But the truth embraces all faith believers.

Sevens


Post Re: China Prevents Christians Of Helping Earth Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:05 am

Back to NehZa in Chinese lore

 

Quote:

Zhongtan Yuanshuai (中壇元帥) or Nezha Qiansui (哪吒千歲).

Nezha (deity)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nezha_%28deity%29

Nezha is often depicted flying in the sky with a wheel of fire under each foot, a golden hoop, the "cosmic ring", around his shoulder and a spear in his hands. Sometimes he is given multiple arms. Nezha is usually depicted as a youth and rarely as an adult.



Note the three rings, the co planar circles.

one Ring under his feet and the Cosmic hoop around his shoulder....3 circles or co planar circles!!

The Melchizedek Symbol embedded, the three circles but in this case 3 co planar circles which is a variant of the 3 concentric circles.
 

Remember these rings are the Cosmic rings and also this NeZha comes from Tao which have Paradise Trinity Melchizedek roots as symbolized in the rings.

I think its beautiful that we are followers of Jesus as our friend and Saviour and yet we can see so more into the final construct looking through the Melchizedek eyes which is expanding our viewpoint and deepening our knowledge on the fly remembering this is part of the Targum that emanates out of the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean Sea as foreseen by John Gill and many other prophets in part and it is now we are bringing the parts together into a whole and oneness.

Enough to sway a whole nation and these things are all part of the demonstration of the Father and the Paradise Trinity.

Praise the Lord! Yea! Glory be to our Lord Father in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:41 am

The Status

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webgli ... ne=158#mfs

 

Quote:

Michael, upon assuming the supreme sovereignty of Nebadon, petitioned the Ancients of Daysfor authority to intern all personalities concerned in the Lucifer rebellion pending the rulings of the superuniverse tribunals in the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer, placed on the records of the Uversa supreme court almost two hundred thousand years ago, as you reckon time. Concerning the system capital group, the Ancients of Days granted the Michael petition with but a single exception: Satan was allowed to make periodic visits to the apostate princes on the fallen worlds until another Son of God should be accepted by such apostate worlds, or until such time as the courts of Uversa should begin the adjudication of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer.

Satan could come to Urantia because you had no Son of standing in residence--neither Planetary Prince nor Material Son. Machiventa Melchizedek has since been proclaimed vicegerent Planetary Prince of Urantia, and the opening of the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer has signalized the inauguration of temporary planetary regimes on all the isolated worlds.

It is true that Satan did periodically visit Caligastia and others of the fallen princes right up to the time of the presentation of these revelations, when there occurred the first hearing of Gabriel's plea for the annihilation of the archrebels. Satan is now unqualifiedly detained on the Jerusem prison worlds.

Since Michael's final bestowal no one in all Satania has desired to go to the prison worlds to minister to the interned rebels. And no more beings have been won to the deceiver's cause. For nineteen hundred years the status has been unchanged.

We do not look for a removal of the present Satania restrictions until the Ancients of Days make final disposition of the archrebels. The system circuits will not be reinstated so long as Lucifer lives. Meantime, he is wholly inactive



And this journey could be the signal of the beginning of the court case between Gabriel Vs Lucifer since this planet is Michaels bestowal world.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:52 am

The End times reflected in Enoch in the same theme as revelation.

 

Chapter 91
1 And now, my son Methuselah, call to me all thy brothers
And gather together to me all the sons of thy mother;
For the word calls me,
And the spirit is poured out upon me,
That I may show you everything
That shall befall you for ever.


2 And there upon Methuselah went and summoned to him all his brothers and assembled his relatives.
3 And he spake unto all the children of righteousness and said:

Hear, ye sons of Enoch, all the words of your father,
And hearken aright to the voice of my mouth;
For I exhort you and say unto you, beloved:

4 Love uprightness and walk therein.
And draw not nigh to uprightness with a double heart,
And associate not with those of a double heart,


But walk in righteousness, my sons.
And it shall guide you on good paths,
And righteousness shall be your companion.


5 For I know that violence must increase on the earth,
And a great chastisement be executed on the earth,
And all unrighteousness come to an end:

Yea, it shall be cut off from its roots,
And its whole structure be destroyed.


6 And unrighteousness shall again be consummated on the earth,
And all the deeds of unrighteousness and of violence
And transgression shall prevail in a twofold degree.


7 And when sin and unrighteousness and blasphemy
And violence in all kinds of deeds increase,
And apostasy and transgression and uncleanness increase,

A great chastisement shall come from heaven upon all these,
And the holy Lord will come forth with wrath and chastisement
To execute judgement on earth.


8 In those days violence shall be cut off from its roots,
And the roots of unrighteousness together with deceit,
And they shall be destroyed from under heaven.


9 And all the idols of the heathen shall be abandoned,
And the temples burned with fire,
And they shall remove them from the whole earth,

And they (the heathen) shall be cast into the judgement of fire,
And shall perish in wrath and in grievous judgement for ever.

10 And the righteous shall arise from their sleep,
And wisdom shall arise and be given unto them.


11And after that the roots of unrighteousness shall be cut off, and the sinners shall be destroyed by the sword and the blasphemers destroyed in every place,
12and those who plan violence and those who commit blasphemy shall perish by the sword.


13 And now I tell you, my sons, and show you
The paths of righteousness and the paths of violence.
Yea, I will show them to you again
That ye may know what will come to pass.
14 And now, hearken unto me, my sons,
And walk in the paths of righteousness,
And walk not in the paths of violence;

For all who walk in the paths of unrighteousness shall perish for ever.



Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Here is a fragment from the Book of Jubilees.

I think this piece is a reflection of the End Times now.

When it makes references to Israel, sometimes I wonder if this piece is a spiritual Metaphor using using
Isreal as a physical example.

 

Quote:


http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/pseudepig ... ilee/1.htm

But they are Thy people and Thy inheritance, which thou hast delivered with thy great power from the hands of the Egyptians: create in them a clean heart and a holy spirit, and let them not be ensnared in their sins from henceforth until eternity.'

And the Lord said unto Moses: 'I know their contrariness and their thoughts and their stiffneckedness, and they will not be obedient till they confess their own sin and the sin of their fathers.

And after this they will turn to Me in all uprightness and with all (their) heart and with all (their) soul, and I will circumcise the foreskin of their heart and the foreskin of the heart of their seed, and I will create in them a holy spirit, and I will cleanse them so that they shall not turn away from Me from that day unto eternity.

And their souls will cleave to Me and to all My commandments, and they will fulfil My commandments, and I will be their Father and they shall be My children.
And they all shall be called children of the living God, and every angel and every spirit shall know, yea, they shall know that these are My children, and that I am their Father in uprightness and righteousness, and that I love them.


And do thou write down for thyself all these words which I declare unto thee on this mountain, the first and the last, which shall come to pass in all the divisions of the days in the law and in the testimony and in the weeks and the jubilees unto eternity, until I descend and dwell with them throughout eternity.'

And He said to the angel of the presence: Write for Moses from the beginning of creation till My sanctuary has been built among them for all eternity.

And the Lord will appear to the eyes of all, and all shall know that I am the God of Israel and the Father of all the children of Jacob, and King on Mount Zion for all eternity. And Zion and Jerusalem shall be holy.'

And the angel of the presence who went before the camp of Israel took the tables of the divisions of the years -from the time of the creation- of the law and of the testimony of the weeks of the jubilees, according to the individual years, according to all the number of the jubilees [according, to the individual years], from the day of the [new] creation when the heavens and the earth shall be renewed and all their creation according to the powers of the heaven, and according to all the creation of the earth, until the sanctuary of the Lord shall be made in Jerusalem on Mount Zion, and all the luminaries be renewed for healing and for peace and for blessing for all the elect of Israel, and that thus it may be from that day and unto all the days of the earth.



To me has the above has many reflections that point to the first and the last which to me is consistent to the Beginning and the End and reflective of the ancient places and its journey!

I feel Israel and Zion in a spiritual Israel and Zion that springs from the Gentiles.


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:41 am

Just looking for commonality that may reflect the ancient first places, the ancient Cities of the Sons of God.

 

Quote:

Jubilees 1

15 And
I will disclose to them abounding peace with righteousness, and I will remove them the plant of uprightness, with all My heart and with all My soul, and they shall be for a blessing and not for a curse, and they shall be the head and not the tail.

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/pseudepig ... ilee/1.htm


Isaiah 9:15

The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

Keyword search Ancient

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=ancient&ver=kjv

and

Isaiah 24:23

Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Confounded alright! before the ancients.

Isaiah 37:26

Hast thou not heard long ago, how I have done it; and of ancient times, that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste defenced cities into ruinous heaps.

Certainly a message for now on the journey to the ancient places.

Here is anotyher reflection that I believe point to the first cities from ancient times...all in context.

Isaiah 44:7 (Read all of Isaiah 44)

And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

The above was certainly about the testamony on the run declaring many things and of the things to come as in prophecy.

And here is another reflection again about the testamony


Isaiah 45:21

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

and this, another declaration from the beginning and from ancient times.

Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Yes and this, that wounds the dragon from the ancient times.

Isaiah 51:9
Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

And about the Ancient od Days and the Judgement

Daniel 7:22

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came
that the saints possessed the kingdom.

and this about the Heritages
 

Quote:

Isaiah 49:8

Thus
saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;


Isaiah 54:17

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord
.



That was a very interesting word search with more references to the ancients in the search.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:27 pm

 

Quote:

Isaiah 58:14

Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father :for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

1 Peter 5:3

Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.



Sevens


End Times http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.php?p=18282#post18282

Currently In Christianity its thought that we are in the End Times where all things come into consummation before God/Allah/Jesus comes back.

My research leads me to believe that we are right in the middle of the manifestation of the end times.

I was wondering in curiosity, if the Islam faith believe that we are in the middle of the end Times?

Just curious.

If both religions believe we are in the End Time throws before transition I was wondering where does Islam think the End will emanate from?

Im not here to argue or anything I was just interested to know what Islam think of the current scenario of world reality and where is it at and how that relates to the End times.

I know in Christianity there is much interest at this point and personally I think there has been many breakthroughs in the books through my personal experience, I was curious to see if all the Monotheistic religions are on the same page but from what view point.

Anyway, All the best with everything and truly I wish all the best for everyone in the last throws of the End times where all things come together, in the consummation.

I think we are in the most interesting times right now and I think it will become more interesting as we move forward.


Seven8


http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.php?p=18283&posted=1#post18283

Hi

I saw this fragment which I thought related to the last prophet maybe??

Isaiah 44:7

And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

It sounds like there is something that has to be declared and proclaimed and prepared or set in order, like platform for Paradise to present itself and it relates to the ancient people or ancient times and its about the things that are coming relating to the future destiny of man (prophetical) and the demonstration is something that will shown physically/spiritually to us for our enlightenment for our edification! perhaps! but before judgement. The ancient people would be the beginning! It comes from the beginning!

I thought that was the interpretation of the above verse relating to the last prophet and what he must do in preparation before the advent of Paradise.
 

And when it is declared from ancient times by the last prophet this is the instruction given to man.

Isaiah 45:21

Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

The instruction to man is to take heed. It must be a message that emanates from the ancient times from the beginnings.

And the effect of the message that wounds the Dragon.
 

Isaiah 51:9
Awake, awake, put on strength,
O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?


Again we see the message from the ancients to us which wounds the Dragon.

In the following, in my view is a message to the last prophet from God of reassurance in sustaining the prophet. God also answers or responds to the declarations of the last prophet. It seems the Heritage of the ages are related to the message of the Last Prophet and another covenant between Man and God is made. The desolate heritages are involved so it could something that reaches back to our very origins. A message that comes from the heritage of the Ages.

Isaiah 49:8

Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

The message of the Last Prophet actually causes the inheritance of the ages which is bestowed to faith believers and the Heritages, the desolated heritages becomes and causes the new covenant for man with God thus terminating this age, entering a new age and a new future of Paradise on Earth or Paradise coming to Earth!

So I ask now...What is the Heritages or the Heritage of the Ages, What is the message that comes from ancient times and from the desolate places? that appears related to a new covenant and Judgement.
 

I suppose its not a matter of who is right or wrong but what is the TRUTH of the matter in this time. NOW!


Seven8


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Quote:

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2689.htm#10

1 Maschil of Ethan the Ezrahite.

ב חַסְדֵי יְהוָה, עוֹלָם אָשִׁירָה; לְדֹר וָדֹר, אוֹדִיעַ אֱמוּנָתְךָ בְּפִי. 2 I will sing of the mercies of the LORD for ever; to all generations will I make known Thy faithfulness with my mouth.

ג כִּי-אָמַרְתִּי--עוֹלָם, חֶסֶד יִבָּנֶה; שָׁמַיִם, תָּכִן אֱמוּנָתְךָ בָהֶם. 3 For I have said: 'For ever is mercy built; in the very heavens Thou dost establish Thy faithfulness.

ד כָּרַתִּי בְרִית, לִבְחִירִי; נִשְׁבַּעְתִּי, לְדָוִד עַבְדִּי. 4 I have made a covenant with My chosen, I have sworn unto David My servant:

ה עַד-עוֹלָם, אָכִין זַרְעֶךָ; וּבָנִיתִי לְדֹר-וָדוֹר כִּסְאֲךָ סֶלָה. 5 For ever will I establish thy seed, and build up thy throne to all generations.' Selah

ו וְיוֹדוּ שָׁמַיִם פִּלְאֲךָ יְהוָה; אַף-אֱמוּנָתְךָ, בִּקְהַל קְדֹשִׁים. 6 So shall the heavens praise Thy wonders, O LORD, Thy faithfulness also in the assembly of the holy ones.

ז כִּי מִי בַשַּׁחַק, יַעֲרֹךְ לַיהוָה; יִדְמֶה לַיהוָה, בִּבְנֵי אֵלִים. 7 For who in the skies can be compared unto the LORD, who among the sons of might can be likened unto the LORD,

ח אֵל נַעֲרָץ, בְּסוֹד-קְדֹשִׁים רַבָּה; וְנוֹרָא, עַל-כָּל-סְבִיבָיו. 8 A God dreaded in the great council of the holy ones, and feared of all them that are about Him?

ט יְהוָה, אֱלֹהֵי צְבָאוֹת--מִי-כָמוֹךָ חֲסִין יָהּ; וֶאֱמוּנָתְךָ, סְבִיבוֹתֶיךָ. 9 O LORD God of hosts, who is a mighty one, like unto Thee, O LORD? And Thy faithfulness is round about Thee.

י אַתָּה מוֹשֵׁל, בְּגֵאוּת הַיָּם; בְּשׂוֹא גַלָּיו, אַתָּה תְשַׁבְּחֵם. 10 Thou rulest the proud swelling of the sea; when the waves thereof arise, Thou stillest them.

יא אַתָּה דִכִּאתָ כֶחָלָל רָהַב; בִּזְרוֹעַ עֻזְּךָ, פִּזַּרְתָּ אוֹיְבֶיךָ. 11 Thou didst crush Rahab, as one that is slain; Thou didst scatter Thine enemies with the arm of Thy strength.

יב לְךָ שָׁמַיִם, אַף-לְךָ אָרֶץ; תֵּבֵל וּמְלֹאָהּ, אַתָּה יְסַדְתָּם. 12 Thine are the heavens, Thine also the earth; the world and the fulness thereof, Thou hast founded them.

יג צָפוֹן וְיָמִין, אַתָּה בְרָאתָם; תָּבוֹר וְחֶרְמוֹן, בְּשִׁמְךָ יְרַנֵּנוּ. 13 The north and the south, Thou hast created them; Tabor and Hermon rejoice in Thy name.

יד לְךָ זְרוֹעַ, עִם-גְּבוּרָה; תָּעֹז יָדְךָ, תָּרוּם יְמִינֶךָ. 14 Thine is an arm with might; strong is Thy hand, and exalted is Thy right hand.

טו צֶדֶק וּמִשְׁפָּט, מְכוֹן כִּסְאֶךָ; חֶסֶד וֶאֱמֶת, יְקַדְּמוּ פָנֶיךָ. 15 Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Thy throne; mercy and truth go before Thee.

טז אַשְׁרֵי הָעָם, יֹדְעֵי תְרוּעָה; יְהוָה, בְּאוֹר-פָּנֶיךָ יְהַלֵּכוּן. 16 Happy is the people that know the joyful shout; they walk, O LORD, in the light of Thy countenance.

יז בְּשִׁמְךָ, יְגִילוּן כָּל-הַיּוֹם; וּבְצִדְקָתְךָ יָרוּמוּ. 17 In Thy name do they rejoice all the day; and through Thy righteousness are they exalted.

יח כִּי-תִפְאֶרֶת עֻזָּמוֹ אָתָּה; וּבִרְצוֹנְךָ, תרים (תָּרוּם) קַרְנֵינוּ. 18 For Thou art the glory of their strength; and in Thy favour our horn is exalted.

יט כִּי לַיהוָה, מָגִנֵּנוּ; וְלִקְדוֹשׁ יִשְׂרָאֵל מַלְכֵּנוּ. 19 For of the LORD is our shield; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.

כ אָז דִּבַּרְתָּ בְחָזוֹן, לַחֲסִידֶיךָ-- וַתֹּאמֶר, שִׁוִּיתִי עֵזֶר עַל-גִּבּוֹר;
הֲרִימוֹתִי בָחוּר מֵעָם. 20 Then Thou spokest in vision to Thy godly ones, and saidst: 'I have laid help upon one that is mighty; {N}
I have exalted one chosen out of the people.

כא מָצָאתִי, דָּוִד עַבְדִּי; בְּשֶׁמֶן קָדְשִׁי מְשַׁחְתִּיו. 21 I have found David My servant; with My holy oil have I anointed him;

כב אֲשֶׁר יָדִי, תִּכּוֹן עִמּוֹ; אַף-זְרוֹעִי תְאַמְּצֶנּוּ. 22 With whom My hand shall be established; Mine arm also shall strengthen him.

כג לֹא-יַשִּׁיא אוֹיֵב בּוֹ; וּבֶן-עַוְלָה, לֹא יְעַנֶּנּוּ. 23 The enemy shall not exact from him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

כד וְכַתּוֹתִי מִפָּנָיו צָרָיו; וּמְשַׂנְאָיו אֶגּוֹף. 24 And I will beat to pieces his adversaries before him, and smite them that hate him.

כה וֶאֱמוּנָתִי וְחַסְדִּי עִמּוֹ; וּבִשְׁמִי, תָּרוּם קַרְנוֹ. 25 But My faithfulness and My mercy shall be with him; and through My name shall his horn be exalted.

כו וְשַׂמְתִּי בַיָּם יָדוֹ; וּבַנְּהָרוֹת יְמִינוֹ. 26 I will set his hand also on the sea, and his right hand on the rivers.

כז הוּא יִקְרָאֵנִי, אָבִי אָתָּה; אֵלִי, וְצוּר יְשׁוּעָתִי. 27 He shall call unto Me: Thou art my Father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

כח אַף-אָנִי, בְּכוֹר אֶתְּנֵהוּ; עֶלְיוֹן, לְמַלְכֵי-אָרֶץ. 28 I also will appoint him first-born, the highest of the kings of the earth.

כט לְעוֹלָם, אשמור- (אֶשְׁמָר-) לוֹ חַסְדִּי; וּבְרִיתִי, נֶאֱמֶנֶת לוֹ. 29 For ever will I keep for him My mercy, and My covenant shall stand fast with him.

ל וְשַׂמְתִּי לָעַד זַרְעוֹ; וְכִסְאוֹ, כִּימֵי שָׁמָיִם. 30 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

לא אִם-יַעַזְבוּ בָנָיו, תּוֹרָתִי; וּבְמִשְׁפָּטַי, לֹא יֵלֵכוּן. 31 If his children forsake My law, and walk not in Mine ordinances;

לב אִם-חֻקֹּתַי יְחַלֵּלוּ; וּמִצְו‍ֹתַי, לֹא יִשְׁמֹרוּ. 32 If they profane My statutes, and keep not My commandments;

לג וּפָקַדְתִּי בְשֵׁבֶט פִּשְׁעָם; וּבִנְגָעִים עֲו‍ֹנָם. 33 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with strokes.

לד וְחַסְדִּי, לֹא-אָפִיר מֵעִמּוֹ; וְלֹא-אֲשַׁקֵּר, בֶּאֱמוּנָתִי. 34 But My mercy will I not break off from him, nor will I be false to My faithfulness.

לה לֹא-אֲחַלֵּל בְּרִיתִי; וּמוֹצָא שְׂפָתַי, לֹא אֲשַׁנֶּה. 35 My covenant will I not profane, nor alter that which is gone out of My lips.

לו אַחַת, נִשְׁבַּעְתִּי בְקָדְשִׁי: אִם-לְדָוִד אֲכַזֵּב. 36 Once have I sworn by My holiness: Surely I will not be false unto David;

לז זַרְעוֹ, לְעוֹלָם יִהְיֶה; וְכִסְאוֹ כַשֶּׁמֶשׁ נֶגְדִּי. 37 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before Me.

לח כְּיָרֵחַ, יִכּוֹן עוֹלָם; וְעֵד בַּשַּׁחַק, נֶאֱמָן סֶלָה. 38 It shall be established for ever as the moon; and be stedfast as the witness in sky.' Selah

לט וְאַתָּה זָנַחְתָּ, וַתִּמְאָס; הִתְעַבַּרְתָּ, עִם-מְשִׁיחֶךָ. 39 But Thou hast cast off and rejected, Thou hast been wroth with Thine anointed.

מ נֵאַרְתָּה, בְּרִית עַבְדֶּךָ; חִלַּלְתָּ לָאָרֶץ נִזְרוֹ. 40 Thou hast abhorred the covenant of Thy servant; Thou hast profaned his crown even to the ground.

מא פָּרַצְתָּ כָל-גְּדֵרֹתָיו; שַׂמְתָּ מִבְצָרָיו מְחִתָּה. 41 Thou hast broken down all his fences; Thou hast brought his strongholds to ruin.

מב שַׁסֻּהוּ, כָּל-עֹבְרֵי דָרֶךְ; הָיָה חֶרְפָּה, לִשְׁכֵנָיו. 42 All that pass by the way spoil him; he is become a taunt to his neighbours.

מג הֲרִימוֹתָ, יְמִין צָרָיו; הִשְׂמַחְתָּ, כָּל-אוֹיְבָיו. 43 Thou hast exalted the right hand of his adversaries; Thou hast made all his enemies to rejoice.

מד אַף-תָּשִׁיב, צוּר חַרְבּוֹ; וְלֹא הֲקֵימֹתוֹ, בַּמִּלְחָמָה. 44 Yea, Thou turnest back the edge of his sword, and hast not made him to stand in the battle.

מה הִשְׁבַּתָּ מִטְּהָרוֹ; וְכִסְאוֹ, לָאָרֶץ מִגַּרְתָּה. 45 Thou hast made his brightness to cease, and cast his throne down to the ground.

מו הִקְצַרְתָּ, יְמֵי עֲלוּמָיו; הֶעֱטִיתָ עָלָיו בּוּשָׁה סֶלָה. 46 The days of his youth hast Thou shortened; Thou hast covered him with shame. Selah

מז עַד-מָה יְהוָה, תִּסָּתֵר לָנֶצַח; תִּבְעַר כְּמוֹ-אֵשׁ חֲמָתֶךָ. 47 How long, O LORD, wilt Thou hide Thyself for ever? How long shall Thy wrath burn like fire?

מח זְכָר-אֲנִי מֶה-חָלֶד; עַל-מַה-שָּׁוְא, בָּרָאתָ כָל-בְּנֵי-אָדָם. 48 O remember how short my time is; for what vanity hast Thou created all the children of men!

מט מִי גֶבֶר יִחְיֶה, וְלֹא יִרְאֶה-מָּוֶת; יְמַלֵּט נַפְשׁוֹ מִיַּד-שְׁאוֹל סֶלָה. 49 What man is he that liveth and shall not see death, that shall deliver his soul from the power of the grave? Selah

נ אַיֵּה, חֲסָדֶיךָ הָרִאשֹׁנִים אֲדֹנָי: נִשְׁבַּעְתָּ לְדָוִד, בֶּאֱמוּנָתֶךָ. 50 Where are Thy former mercies, O Lord, which Thou didst swear unto David in Thy faithfulness?


נא זְכֹר אֲדֹנָי, חֶרְפַּת עֲבָדֶיךָ; שְׂאֵתִי בְחֵיקִי, כָּל-רַבִּים עַמִּים. 51 Remember, Lord, the taunt of Thy servants; how I do bear in my bosom [the taunt of] so many peoples;

נב אֲשֶׁר חֵרְפוּ אוֹיְבֶיךָ יְהוָה: אֲשֶׁר חֵרְפוּ, עִקְּבוֹת מְשִׁיחֶךָ. 52 Wherewith Thine enemies have taunted, O LORD, wherewith they have taunted the footsteps of Thine anointed.

נג בָּרוּךְ יְהוָה לְעוֹלָם: אָמֵן וְאָמֵן. 53 Blessed be the LORD for evermore. Amen, and Amen. {P}

 

and

 

 

and this

 

Quote:

קֹרַח, מִזְמוֹר שִׁיר: יְסוּדָתוֹ, בְּהַרְרֵי-קֹדֶשׁ. 1 A Psalm of the sons of Korah; a Song. His foundation is in the holy mountains.

ב אֹהֵב יְהוָה, שַׁעֲרֵי צִיּוֹן-- מִכֹּל, מִשְׁכְּנוֹת יַעֲקֹב. 2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.

ג נִכְבָּדוֹת, מְדֻבָּר בָּךְ-- עִיר הָאֱלֹהִים סֶלָה. 3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah

ד אַזְכִּיר, רַהַב וּבָבֶל-- לְיֹדְעָי:
הִנֵּה פְלֶשֶׁת וְצֹר עִם-כּוּשׁ; זֶה, יֻלַּד-שָׁם. 4 'I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon as among them that know Me; {N} behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this one was born there.'

ה וּלְצִיּוֹן, יֵאָמַר-- אִישׁ וְאִישׁ, יֻלַּד-בָּהּ;
וְהוּא יְכוֹנְנֶהָ עֶלְיוֹן. 5 But of Zion it shall be said: 'This man and that was born in her; {N} and the Most High Himself doth establish her.'

ו יְהוָה--יִסְפֹּר, בִּכְתוֹב עַמִּים: זֶה יֻלַּד-שָׁם סֶלָה. 6 The LORD shall count in the register of the peoples: 'This one was born there.' Selah

ז וְשָׁרִים כְּחֹלְלִים-- כָּל-מַעְיָנַי בָּךְ. 7 And whether they sing or dance, all my thoughts are in thee. {P}

 

 

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-05-2008 02:35 AM


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Recent verified proof has come to light that the Americas have been populated by humans for at lest 40,000 years and probably longer




sounds like Urantia information actually in truth it goes back 80,000 years when they crossed the bearing bridge at the time loosing ground in conflict forcing them across the bridge.

that's how it happened.

Hey Brig you're a Christian dont you believe that the world was made 6000 years ago.

ahahahaha
sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-05-2008 02:48 AM


You know Ive been seeing reports of the repression that Magabe is enforcing in Zimbabwe.

That guy is just an evil man and some people will only there blessings in this world only.

He will not get away with anything that he commits upon the people.

I cant see how a guy like that in his action upon his fellow brother could even survive after this life.

Everything is recorded and his witness will be required of him and personally he will be and is completely unsuccessful in his evil motives.

Nothing will help him in truth!

He is a bad leader and is completely incompetent!

A guy you wouldn't want in your house.

He has innocent blood on his hands and he is ultimately responsible. Nothing good about, the guy is consumed with self serving evil.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:08 pm

Hi Im watching a video called Zeit Geist

Here is the link

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

MUST SEE!

To start, its anti Jesus with its main argument claiming that Christianity and what is written in the bible is essentially a parallel of many other religions in the past with no difference and with many parallels of the past adopted by the Moses.

However, in the Ub the story of Jesus is completely different to that in any book of religion with a different Birthdate signified by the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in the birth year of Jesus 3 times in the year of 7BC proven by JPL . The true birth of Jesus is not related 25th of December. His true Birthdate is Aug 21st 7BC.

If Dalamatia City was verified, all the atheist would be proven wrong.

Unfortunately, the Bible has no defense against this presentation because it parallels with many past religions like the Horus religion, Mithra and others that have the same parallels in the Bible with the same commonalities which are found in Christianity saying that Christianity is just another zodiac based religion and Jesus never existed which I disagree with.

Now to smash this aspect of this presentation is by actually proving the city of Dalamatia City which proves the UB and knocks out all these people out of the equation as many things in the Ub has been proven by science and which does prove God in the verification.

Atheist who say religion is BS will come undone with a religious presentation that can be scientifically proven like the cities, its the demonstration that most people of power and those who orchestrate the lies and deception of the world will be most afraid off.

That's why it will take a miracle to go there because people will be fearful of Dalamatia City. It would mean that they are on the spot and convicted by there own judgement from the revealed truth as opposed to there untruth.

Anyway the rest of the Video is interesting, it covers the Nodite Central Bank/Federal reserve being a private corporation who controls everything through debt and has manipulated everything on the planet including wars in its evolution since the early 1900s.

You know they create the problem so they can find the solution giving them more power like the patriot act.

You probably find that every individual is completely controlled and manipulated through the Media and dumbed down in the school system.

You begin to realize how evil and manipulated you are without you even knowing it. Its interesting, this regime really arose through the manipulation of the Wall street Nodite Gorillas in the early 1900's like the ones responsible for the sub prime fiasco...and they all get away with it.

In the words of one of the Rockefellers, in the video essentially the prime objective is the chip of control where no one can buy or sell without the chip.  Even the fact of the US going to war years ago before 9/11 was known?

The real enemy of the people are the hidden controllers behind the scenes. Everyone in the media is only a front. That's not the truth and never will be while these Nodites control everything.

At the end of the day we live in a totally evil and manipulated world run by lies and deception. No wonder Jesus was angry at the Central Bankers of the Shekel in Temple in Jerusalem. It was a type of today that reduced a whole nation to bondage and spiritual slavery.

This same anger will be dealt out to the deceivers of all man, the Nodites will fail in their mission including the originators for there evil contribution to the debt-slavery system that they created for us in suffrage so that they can gain control.

If all the people knew about this, the population would be aroused by their anger and it all comes from the top and man hates to be deceived.

The work of the last rebel will ultimately fail because Jesus will see to it, in truth and demonstration.

No wonder the Father will wipe out the whole system and he will do it and I can understand it totally now.

We have all been deceived by the very system we are slaves to.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/


If I was a central banker I would very worried now as the retribution of the Father will come upon them and including everyone who deceives mankind and I believe the time is very close.

Beware everyone who deceives because the time of the Ancient of Days will be upon us soon and the system of slavery will not survive, it will be all wiped out and no family of deception will escape the reckoning! (personality extinction along with Last rebel)

I feel the deceivers will only know there blessings in this life and not thereafter and that's the price they will pay for there contempt to mankind and for there perpetuation of the evil system of modern slavery we have today!

If your'e not in the system you will get no food because you will need the chip to buy!

What a global scam of the highest proportions. completely evil utterly!

A real offense to the Paradise Government! The Nodite representatives and deceivers are in very big trouble with Paradise and the Father will have something to say about this evil!

It will be final and there will be no escape except through Jesus the only way.

Everything apart from Jesus is just a lie!

All the debt upon your back was just a deception thoroughly planned in the early 1900's and today we are living in the deception of modern slavery a product of the lie.

I feel sorry for mankind and all the oppressed families, no wonder we have so many problems today because of the our fellow brother deceiving us just for his sense of power over others.

Isn't that satanic, embedded heavily in our so called system of freedom and liberty which is a complete farce as you can see around you for all the problems we have, truly the witness of the lie we live within.

These very same people that are deceiving you in this system are the very same leaders who got busted for worshipping MOLECH in that forest! short for the last rebel which includes all his nefarious schemes.

It was there revelation and you can see the results!!! Just look around you!
 


Sevens


http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.php?p=18287#post18287

Thanks for the reply

But what of the ages before the flood of Noah? In the first times that we have no idea off??

I also believe in the one God but Im not Muslim just a faith believer in the One God of Paradise.

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Hey Tisatashar

I really enjoyed the verses you posted, I to can see much in that to in my journey as well. "Then Adam received from his Lord, Words" Absolutely.

I see that Adams words or words from beginning will come back and open up the treasury of our past that can be and will be proven. Like a heritage of the past opened up before mankind. Like a revealing. I feel all the books of religion are involved and following forgiveness for one another like I forgive everyday or try to.

Im so glad you responded as I feel I want to make connection with Islam and share the commonalities of my journey and parallels that may lead to a great discovery and verification, that if verified may uplift man in a spiritual way that lead to truth from the past, from the first times. It would be good if all faiths could work in collaboration to find out the truth of the matter in this discovery. A discovery, if verified may point to the widening of truth that may redirect the planets destiny in truth of the Universal Paradise Government on Earth for the future and it could lead to the coming of Jesus like in a second coming where the last Mahdi stands with Jesus to detain the last Rebel from the planet fulfilling Islamic prophecy.

I believe the message could come from a very, very ancient submerged city, the first city I discovered using NASA worldwind in the Southern Persian Gulf and using the books of religion and links and parallels found on the net. If this could be verified then many things may change through a simple discovery guided through the books of all religions in the focalization to the ancient cities.

To me, from what I have discovered something big might come from this ancient city.

But I tell you its a journey of faith and it would be challenging for any faith believer as it covers all the books of religion where I feel truth emanates from in my focalization to the ancient places of our history.

Ive probably said to much but when I mentioned challenging, this journey does involve another book that I am testing at the moment as it claims to be written by Paradise and its various personalities in the Universal Government of Paradise.

Im just testing the book, The Urantia book that I have been testing its truth in conjunction with all the other books of religion that includes the Bible, Enoch, 1stAdam and Eve and many more and I I have found things in the Quran to. My journey had led me to China and the various landmark where this book had pointed to and I have identified them through Google and other information in religions of the East and it fits. Its led me to the Great Pyramid where I found an inscription in a image of an 8" block in the shaft leading out of the Queens burial passage with a triangle/circle symbol with an image of man with 3 circled partial symbol standing next to the triangle symbol with 2 suns , one on either side of the triangle symbol but in the background . The symbol must be about 4"x 4" in the largest monument of Earth.

This Triangle symbol connects to another lost city I found submerged in the North Eastern Persian Gulf called Dilmun of Iran. Apparently according to this new book, Babel a circular temple was built in Dilmun and I can identify the place submerged and you can see the circular foundation and canals leading to the Sea. This is the place where the earlier Egyptians came from at various times in history, I believe its the Atlantis recorded by Plato. Dilmun has the same triangle/circle design as in the symbol of the Queens Burial shaft plug in the Great Temple which was a monument to the past from ancient times.

Anyway, all this has to be verified further but I see this journey reflected as well in the books.

I hope this post is ok but its just my journey doing the will of God, in the way God leads me which always been through the books.

I wonder if this journey is Adams words considering 1Eden of Cyprus is involved as well. That is another episode and the wall as written has been verified.

That is another big sign. Huge sign because the design on the Acropolis Hill Matches the same circular symbol I can se in the submerged city in the Persian Gulf...There is a design symbol connection to the 3 co planar circles which are related to the 3 concentric circles like one found on a Babylonian tablet which connects to Sevenfold.

I mean the journey just on and on and on for the last 4 years it began. But know the journey and all things said has documented on the run, on the fly and it is what's known, as I just found is a Targum. This Targum was foreseen by A preacher of God in the 1600's as the Targum that emanates out of the Persian Sea and the Mediterranean Sea that changes things which I believe is the journey to both 1stEden and Dalamatia City which is evolving day by day. There is just so many braches and paths that can be expanded upon but I feel the final construct to the advent of change is in process and it will occur.

I just wanted to share this journey as I see from the Land of Sinim and I want all mankind to benefit if this journey to the ancient places can help bring brotherhood and peace amongst all mankind.

I think I have unraveled the Seventh Mystery! or the Seventh Mystery of the Seven churches which are related to the journey to the ancient places, the witness in the day by day Targum that emantes out of the sea! From the treasury that leads to a new expansion in the relationship between man and God.

Sevens8


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:40 am

I just saw this video.

I thought it was absolutely truthful and it completely confirm my personal journey and reminds me when the conversation of this thread was about the Destroyer/the Angona System/PlanetX

The video is a direct confirmation of what is to come of this planet and I believe we are in the process right now and its related to the Seventh mystery and the revealing of the treasury as in the all the ancient cities.

The video posted by Speaking Rock
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358 really touched my heart and brought tears of listening to our short term destiny and in light of the conversation. It will come like a thief in the night and cause real desolation and before that there will be a short and narrow path that leads to evacuation. In relation to the journey in the video was the part even the son of a thief will be your scribe, something like that! I can relate to that. The narrow path that leads to Noah's ark in our day of safety will be laid out by a scribe who be the son of a thief which is no different from the father/son relationship of Siddhartha Gautama in his relationship with his Father who was a petty chieftain who suffered the people according to the UB.  I see many parallels!

Everything in the video was true and it was good and I would take heed to it and prepare and send out the message and one way of confirmation is by going out to Dalamatia City and verify the discovered city in the images led through all the books of religion and namely the Urantia Book. Everything encompassed in the video is also contained in the journey specifically on the path to the ancient places which includes 1stEden and Dalamatia City.

We can do this while we can to confirm the Ark of the testament. Verifying Dalamatia City this would everything and a path of Safety in truth before the dreaded reality of the Destroyer.

I also think the Kolbrin bible is relevant to the journey to the ancient places. I see much truth in the scribe who wrote chapter 3.

That was very good.

The seventh Mystery is Noah's ark of the Latter day!

Another part of the video I resonated to is that in those days the great book before them great book of wisdom, revealed. Could be all the books in oneness but pointing to one book of truth that forms unity with all the books in revealing and demonstration.

In those days man will have the great book before them wisdom will be unveiled and revealed

A few would be gathered for the stand in the final hour!

The dauntless ones survive!

God of all ages, light throughout who sets the trail of man.

All reflective of the journey to the ancient places of all ages in truth in the journey of the mystery.



Sevens



Sevens


Post Re: Thousands flee as Quake hits China Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:42 am

Speaking Rock.

I thought your video was fantastic and so true and with so many parallels.

Touched my heart and I resonated to it.

I wrote about the video on my main thread.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=950&p=33762#p33762

 



thanks that was really beautiful and brought tears to my eyes to know what will befall man in the beforehand.

Just so true

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:38 am

Kolbrin Bible relevant to the Destroyer or Wormwood in the Bible.

 

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THE DESTROYER - PART 1
Men forget the days of the Destroyer. Only the wise know where it went and that it will return in its appointed hour. It raged across the Heavens in the days of wrath, and this was its likeness: It was as a billowing cloud of smoke enwrapped in a ruddy glow, not distinguishable in joint or limb. Its mouth was an abyss from which came flame, smoke and hot cinders. When ages pass, certain laws operate upon the stars in the Heavens. Their ways change, there is movement and restlessness, they are no longer constant and a great light appears
redly in the skies. When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear and mountains will open up and belch forth fire and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed.....

THE DESTROYER - PART 2
O Sentinels of the Universe who watch for the Destroyer, how long will your coming vigil last? O mortal men who wait without understanding, where will you hide yourselves in the Dread Days of Doom, when the Heavens shall be torn apart and the skies rent in twain, in the days when children will turn grey-headed? This is the thing which will be seen, this is the terror your eyes will behold, this is the form of destruction that will rush upon you: There will be the great body of fire, the glowing head with many mouths and eyes ever changing. Terrible teeth will be seen in formless mouths and a fearful dark belly will glow redly from fires inside

THE DESTROYER - PART 3
The Doomshape, called the Destroyer, in Egypt, was seen in all the lands whereabouts. In colour
it was bright and fiery, in appearance changing and unstable. It twisted about itself like a coil, like water bubbling into a pool from an underground supply, and all men agree it was a most fearsome sight. It was not a great comet or a loosened star, being more like a fiery body of flame. Its movements on high were slow, below it swirled in the manner of smoke and it remained close to the sun whose face it hid. There was a bloody redness about it, which changed as it passed along its course. It caused death and destruction in its rising and setting. It swept the Earth with grey cinder rain and caused many plagues, hunger and other evils. It bit the skin of men and beast until they became mottled with sores.


 


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:26 am

Ive been think about the hexagon shape of Mars and its rings. Ive been thinking if it has something to do with the communication circuits that are to be restored in the near future. I wondering the North pole and the rings of Saturn have something with this communication.

Here are some video links

Results for saturn hexagon
http://video.google.com/videosearch?sou ... =&start=20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTh8kcCvlTY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzL194jiTyY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlI7OmspIuY&feature=related

Triumph of the Hexagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyY0ymMYXPo&feature=related

amnd this interesting one relating to great Seventh mystery and its symbol on the isle of Patmos
Seal of God - Bruce Codex, Uriel, and Abyssos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFu_TeZZilA&feature=related
Metatron Cube Wheel evolution of an image
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i1iMn0pKrc&feature=related

Secrets of the Triangles and the Hexagon
Hyperdimension al Hexagon Pt.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy_8KVZS9I



I wondered if this anomaly at the southern end of the temple of Dalamatia City is a receiving station of the planetary circuits communications from the larger universe of earth that perhaps received signals from Saturn that emanated from the Rings but received from the Hexagon feature at the North pole of the Station. The planetary communications was cut after the rebellion of the Sons of God but in these partially opened and what the Cassini space craft received from flying through the rings was perhaps the first receiving of a signal from outer space.

Image

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dalamatia.jpg

More pictures and information can be found in the following link.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/persian_gulf/index.htm


Here some fragments from the Urantia Book

 

Quote:

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... munication


PAPER 67 - THE PLANETARY REBELLION, Oct 19 2000

line 112: It should be recorded that, when Van appealed to the Most Highs of Edentia after Lucifer had sustained Caligastia on Urantia, the Constellation Fathers dispatched an immediate decision sustaining Van on every point of his contention. This verdict failed to reach him because the planetary circuits of communication were severed while it was in transit
. Only recently was this actual ruling discovered lodged in the possession of a relay energy transmitter where it had been marooned ever since the isolation of Urantia. Without this discovery, made as the result of the investigations of the Urantia midwayers, the release of this decision would have awaited the restoration of Urantia to the constellation circuits. And this apparent accident of interplanetary communication was possible because energy transmitters can receive and transmit intelligence, but they cannot initiate communication.



another fragment relating to the circuits

 

Quote:

PAPER 74 - ADAM AND EVE, Oct 19 2000

line 59:
And now, after their formal installation, Adam and Eve became painfully aware of their planetary isolation. Silent were the familiar broadcasts, and absent were all the circuits of extraplanetary communication. Their Jerusem fellows had gone to worlds running along smoothly with a well-established Planetary Prince and an experienced staff ready to receive them and competent to co-operate with them during their early experience on such worlds. But on Urantia rebellion had changed everything. Here the Planetary Prince was very much present, and though shorn of most of his power to work evil, he was still able to make the task of Adam and Eve difficult and to some extent hazardous. It was a serious and disillusioned Son and Daughter of Jerusem who walked that night through the Garden under the shining of the full moon, discussing plans for the next day.



and this

 

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PAPER 53 - THE LUCIFER REBELLION, Oct 19 2000

line 112: All secession propaganda had to be carried on by personal effort because the broadcast service and
all other avenues of interplanetary communication were suspended by the action of the system circuit supervisors. Upon the actual outbreak of the insurrection the entire system of Satania was isolated in both the constellation and the universe circuits. During this time all incoming and outgoing messages were dispatched by seraphic agents and Solitary Messengers. The circuits to the fallen worlds were also cut off, so that Lucifer could not utilize this avenue for the furtherance of his nefarious scheme. And these circuits will not be restored so long as the archrebel lives within the confines of Satania



and this

 

Quote:

PAPER 51 - THE PLANETARY ADAMS, Oct 19 2000

line 28: These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of
interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger



and this

 

Quote:

PAPER 39 - THE SERAPHIC HOSTS, Oct 19 2000

line 97: Seraphic recorders of the superior order thus effect a close liaison with the intelligence corps of their own order and with all subordinate recorders,
while the broadcasts enable them to maintain constant communication with the higher recorders of the superuniverse and, through this channel, with the recorders of Havona and the custodians of knowledge on Paradise. Many of the superior order of recorders are seraphim ascended from similar duties in lower sections of the universe.



and

 

Quote:

PAPER 43 - THE CONSTELLATIONS, Oct 19 2000

line 88: The residence of the Edentia Faithful of Days is the constellation center of the Paradise system of
extrauniverse communication and intelligence. These Trinity Sons, with their staffs of Havona and Paradise personalities, in liaison with the supervising Union of Days, are in direct and constant communication with their order throughout all the universes, even to Havona and Paradise.



and this

 

Quote:

line 179: But ere long, the adjudication of Lucifer and his associates will restore the Satania system to the Norlatiadek constellation, and subsequently, Urantia and the other isolated spheres will be restored to the Satania circuits, and again will such worlds enjoy the privileges of interplanetary communication and intersystem communion.



So as you can see there is such a thing of interplanetary communications that extends to the universe at large and maybe is related to interplanetary communications and Saturn could be the receiver and re transmits to perhaps circular devices seen near the Temple of the triangle city.

This could be major breakthrough and could led to a communication perhaps through the rings of Saturn leading to interplanetary communication and intersystem communion. Speculation  eh!

and this last one

 

Quote:

line 149: 6. The experts of communication. Urantia, likewise, is served by twelve technicians of interplanetary and interuniverse communication. These long-experienced beings are expert in the knowledge of the laws of transmittal and interference as applied to the communications of the realms. This corps is concerned with all forms of space messages except those of Gravity and Solitary Messengers. On Urantia much of their work must be accomplished over the archangels' circuit.



Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:45 am

Word search on interuniverse communications

interuniverse communication in the UB

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... mit=Submit


 

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PAPER 28 - MINISTERING SPIRITS OF THE SUPERUNIVERSES, Oct 19 2000

line 170: We are denied the full privilege of using these angels of the reflective order on Urantia. They are frequent visitors on your world, accompanying assigned personalities, but here they cannot freely function. This sphere is still under partial spiritual quarantine, and some of the circuits essential to their services are not here at present.
When your world is once more restored to the reflective circuits concerned, much of the work of interplanetary and interuniverse communication will be greatly simplified and expedited. Celestial workers on Urantia encounter many difficulties because of this functional curtailment of their reflective associates. But we go on joyfully conducting our affairs with the instrumentalities at hand, notwithstanding our local deprivation of many of the services of these marvelous beings, the living mirrors of space and the presence projectors of time.



and word search on
extraplanetary communications

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... aplanetary


 

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line 219: In the event of rebellion on a system headquarters, a new sovereign is usually installed within a comparatively short time, but not so on the individual planets. They are the component units of the material creation, and creature free will is a factor in the final adjudication of all such problems. Successor Planetary Princes are designated for isolated worlds, planets whose princes of authority may have gone astray, but they do not assume active rulership of such worlds until the results of insurrection are partially overcome and removed by the remedial measures adopted by the Melchizedeks and other ministering personalities. Rebellion by a Planetary Prince instantly isolates his planet; the local spiritual circuits are immediately severed. Only a bestowal Son can re-establish interplanetary lines of communication on such a spiritually isolated world.


The seal of Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UcLT14ojfg&feature=related
Seal of Jesus Christ (Biblical proof for numbers)


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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:02 am
 

Now here is something that I found quite disturbing and could relate to the underworld of the sleeping souls who have no rest, awaiting judgement when Jesus comes back. For those who live truth, beauty and goodness showing love for one another in the spirit of Jesus actually go straight to the mansion worlds after their death. Those who spurn appear detained in a place of no rest by the sounds of it and do no progress into the kingdom of Heaven.

The Sounds of Hell video

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sou ... itesearch=

Its very disturbing but it could serve as a warning for unbelief and for those who spurn the Father and destroy mankind in there own way throughout their life.

Dr Maurice Rawlings - NDE - To Hell and Back

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4136610474021109864&q=sounds%20of%20hell&hl=en

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:10 pm

Here is a fragment from the Urantia Book which in the highlight seems like interesting perception of personality extinction. But you have to read the link in context.

 

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PAPER 102 - THE FOUNDATIONS OF RELIGIOUS FAITH, Oct 19 2000

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... ine=27#mfs

line 27: To the unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction
. Nameless despair is man's only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.



and personality extinction, the UB

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... mit=Submit

 

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line 107: In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter. Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death. The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction ; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence



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Tablet 18

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