Man have a look at the picture and the
research at the end of the Eden gates and you will see more.
You must be blind. I have seen a really short video of the wall.
The evidence is there and more. You just choose to disbelief the data including
the side scans on two expeditions that's how hopeless and futile man is in this
whole exercise.
Evidence there is loads out there you just in denial mode. Where is your
evidence of anything about anything related to Atlantis. Nothing! not even
research just comments that's all I see from Brig one sentence comments or the
occasional paragraph.
About the stone, there is a stone wall there and its exactly described in the UB
for the millionth time and I have seen it with my own eyes and its a stone wall
alright! Exactly as described.
And about your assertion on Second
Eden show me your evidence for your nothing thinking comment?? Eh! Adam like
everyone else that is evicted out of a house through dishonor had to relocate to
build a new home, buddy like if you were kicked out of your house you would have
to go somewhere else to rebuild Just make simple sense. In Adams case he went to
the east through the Eastern Gate of the first original Garden. The reason
why there is little evidence of Second Eden is because Baghdad is right on top
of it.
The only evidence of 2nd Eden maybe
the remnants of the wall that was built by Adam and his family that extended
right across the region from the Euphrates to the Tigris rivers at the narrowest
point in the North. The wall was used for protection of Adam and the Adamites,
his family.
About the stone wall in 1stEden, there is a stone wall there and its exactly
described in the UB for the millionth time and I have seen it with my own eyes
and its a stone wall alright! Exactly as described and seen in the video, its a
stone wall.
But you can write to Rob Sarmast for
the caption that's your job! and see if you can get him to release it. Then
again why should he oblige since the Discovery of Atlantis thread was deleted.
Why should he even release anything to you for showing disrespect in the
deletion of the thread of thought.
quote:
I'm totally open to Bobs
explorations.
No you're not, not at all. You've
proved that your NOT open to this exploration, just by your comments about the
source truth in all the years that Ive known which has been scorn, spurn and
mock. That's hypocrisy what you say. The Fat lady sings and you wouldn't even
know it! you wouldn't even see it man, you don't see it!
There is sufficient evidence there and everywhere for you to make up your mind
in the parting of the ways buddy! At the Gates.
That's what the gates were designed for, to part the ways
through mankind and his attitude through a test of his faith! in the beforehand,
before the event. Its is the parting of ways at the gates! Only those with
faith, honest with openness and is sincere and teachable are allowed to enter
the city of the tree of life and partake of its fruits.
And those gates and the Cities to where truth
leads to belong to the realm of Jesus Christ and Paradise. The cities have been
claimed on behalf of the Kingdom of Heaven in the Judicial courts of the Ancient
of Days and petition will stand!
The submerged lands and cities is NOW the
official real estate of Paradise, Jesus Christ and the elect claimed on this
planet for the purposes of Paradise and the Ancient of Days concerning mankind
and should be respected as such.
When ships pass by the abyss of Paradise
encompassing the cities in the Persian Gulf. NOW they enter the physical
realm of Paradise and its battalions and there are big primary Angels located
there. The Battle angels are stationed at the gates and the in the city
including the perimeter! In
preparation and preparing!
Paradise has gone into real estate and
Paradise invites all to be a part of the cities and its truths and taste the
fruits of its truth for free! Wont cost you a dime! It sounds like
a party or a feast I must attend!
I'm having a laugh!!! ahahah free real
estate offered by Paradise with everlasting life and immortality! Sounds
good to me. Best deal I ever heard of. The truth will set you free! and
the truth is out there and discovered.
Sevens
posted
01-29-2008 09:31 PM
No you ask sarmast you get all the
information particularly the video, Ive released quite a bit on my own website
and they include actual side scans of the actual acropolis and including an
additional location.
You find it yourself. You can search for it like I had to search for it. You
know my website. I given enough to you.
ahahaha more one silly one liners.
Man. Just go to
http://www.dalamatiacity.com and you will see the wall on the front
end, the one that was verified in the second expedition.
You can hunt for the video
sevens
posted
01-29-2008 09:49 PM "The
Realm of Paradise"
Hey does anyone know how to claim a
city and have it registered in the UN a city in the Persian Gulf in
international waters but submerged.
One day I want to set up a big barge out there and open the office out there!
gotta have a laugh to myself.
That would mean that I would have to sit on the UN as a representative of
Paradise and voice the views of Paradise.
GULP! gee how different and bizarre would that be.
I wonder if that is possible! to have an actual seat in the UN representing the
submerged lands of Paradise and its heavenly citizens.
Certainly a thought to consider!
I wonder how I could registration papers to register a submerged country and
city, the first city and represent it. That would more cool than being a leader
of any existing country to date.
The Prime Minster of the first lost city resurrected with its message to
mankind. Well I claim that to!
Hey Brig forget about our arguing, its futile.
But what do you think of that idea????
That is the BEST idea around!
and is a great alternative to Atalante suggestion!
As outrageous as it sounds and completely off the wall. What a way to enter the
halls of world power direct into the UN with a huge message linked in with a
discovery of multiple places through the formation and claiming of your own
submerged country.
I claim the submerged country "The realm of Paradise" for this purpose of
membership within the UN representation.
The capital City is Dalamatia City but its offices will be run either by a barge
anchored on top of the city with a transparent submarine doing shuttle services
80 meters deep to an newly constructed transparent twin hulled dome representing
an underwater city perhaps covering the anomalies of the temple so visitors to
the City Dalamatia can walk around the place and inspect the anomalies for
themselves and go on site seeing tours around the area to inspect the walls and
the whole city.
This would be the purpose of the country "The Realm of Paradise" and its
Capitol Dalamatia City The Underwater city that you can visit and stay
for a while and which leads to enlightenment and truth.
What a brainwave
An underwater city where people come a visit and go through truth even while
there are archeology digs going on they can be observed whilst on the run. You
could have an underwater Hotel their within the submerged see through city which
would look like a bubble.
What a great idea!
Floating on top of the city you could have a large barge where the government
administration of the country would take place and its various offices.
The attraction to the "Realm of Paradise" is the lost first city and I
estimate that coupled with further expeditions and verification coupled with the
Box office hit movie of truth with a DVD with extra stuff not to mention the on
the run website of truth coupled with all the books.
Amazing yea! Well that's my goal The Father willing!
The Government of Dalamatia City will be a replication of the previous Loyal
government that once was in Dalamatia and its purpose would be to teach and
bring back the fundamental things of civilisation in spirit and truth but only
in invitation to partake of truth not to impose truth only to enlighten.
I would say there would be one leader and 12 sub leaders if necessary and it
wont be representative government but appointed by the 12 unless there were
citizens and that could be possible in a dual citizenship format with an actual
passport to the city where the citizen could vote for the PM but you then have a
president that is voted by the 12.
Its only a small country.
Maybe I don't know or maybe there is only one full time leader until death then
is replaced by the election of the 12 for a candidate.
Not sure because immortality could be a reality in this place, if there is great
eventful change?? If that is the case then the head leader appointed by Heaven
could be the head until he decides to translate into the next realm of existence
like Elijah and that station could be a long time.
Wasn't there something in the Bible
that mentions in the new world that God will resurrect or raise Eden and enable
man to walk around Eden with dry feet or something to that extent?? I wonder if
that in truth could relate to this thought and idea??
I think many, many people would want
to inspect these places for themselves and touch literally the first places
built by all the loyal Sons of God who were all loyal in the beginning.
The construct of the transparent wall
of the under water city would have to be a multi hulled seal cover built by
plastics and pressure equalized by water or air. Whatever is used in each hulled
section, the pressure would be step down gradually to pressure that humans can
withstand in the final inner layer.
It could take three or more layers but each layer lightens the pressure load of
the outer and previous layer, a gradual pressure step down. If there is a breach
the sealed hull, the next hull would be built to withstand the sudden increase
of pressure and the seal pressure would be rated on the same basis as in the
aviation field regarding tolerances.
The Bubble may have to take the shape
of a circle for maximum strength. Maybe we can spin transparent spider webs to
be used as the substance for the Bubble. Or maybe through ultimatonic spin we
can actually produce a new transparent hardened steel of nuclear strength
proportions that could take the pressure...maybe!
For energy it could be the ultimatonic
spin system creating free and independent energy or current energy, energy
harnessed from the current of the sea including Solar energy if need be.
The realm of Paradise could begin the
Bank of Dalamatia City development fund for the poor but independent
of the Federal Reserve (essential) that could offer low fixed interest loans
to the poor and assistance in prosperity and in basic normal civilized
education. The fixed interest, lets say 2% or even less deferred at the end of
loan would be to cover infrastructure costs and the welfare of the officers.
Whilst in the Babylon system, the current banks, in repentance in raping man for
life time debt could donate some of there massive profits to the Bank of
Dalamatia as recompense for their thieving actions in such high stacked compound
formula that raises the cost of living for all man that hard to bear.
The fund could help the poor and the
ripped off and robbed with interest free loans using the Dalamatia Paradise
Currency and its own Federal reserve. The quicker man has a roof over his head
debt free and with good food and water the happier he and his family will be. In
poor places the Dalamatian Banks could do the building through paid volunteers
as their contribution to the Paradise community. If there is a problem we work
it out or even defer repayment until he is ready and on his feet and not to kick
him out of the house his home like they do in the Babylon system for a profit
and money making!
If someone borrows $100,000 for his
first home then its 102,000 thousand he pays back in 10 years instead of the
500,000 over 30 years just about his whole lifetime. Personally, give man his
first house when he becomes a family man but 500,000 over 30 years is just
robbery in highest degree. Just a rip-off and receipt for enslavement. If the
banks looses money so what at least man has a roof over his head! in the
shortest space of time. Same goes for Credit Cards to, that is horrendous the
enslavement the card provides for man and the method and formulas that the
current banks use are literally living off the back of man daily.
Sevens
posted
01-30-2008 02:57 AM
true musing grai
I couldn't get there anyway all the best with the conference but I would present
the case from my perspective. I think it would a grouse presentation and would
be very interesting.
Thats right
quote:
So " GEORGEOS " published the List
of Lectors and their Litterary Subjects before the Conference management did,
in antichamering the too late publication of the 50 or 20 odd theories that
were approved for Lecture,
I remember that the theories had to be
approved. I remember. I wasn't to impressed about that as that instantly showed
bias.
Musing
I was wondering if this conference was
an open forum, where anyone can present their material?
The Anomalies fit the description of Atlantis and it appears the area was built
on a Peninsula running North and South with a large extensive rectangular wall
to the North and where food was grown. Also you can see the breach of the Sea
wall.
The circular temple of Atlantis is set beyond the Sea wall in land some miles
from the Sea and is connected with a raised canal system running from the sea
wall, the one that breached but further to the North.
The temple section is Circular and the whole design of the place seems to have
symmetry with ramparts/canals either side of the circular foundations to form a
triangular/circle design or Chevron. Their symbol is the design of the City.
These anomalies fit the description of Atlantis and no where else can anomalies
be found that fit the description.
Also the depth of these anomalies is 77 meters and does match the sea level
timeline of round 13,000 years ago around the timeline that Plato speaks of with
regard to the destruction of 2ndDilmun and is confirmed in the sea level data.
You have anomalies and corresponding sea levels that do match to that time and
was still rising at that time.
However, the place is really the location is where the 1st and 2nd Babel was
attempted at different timelines and was a great commercial center for thousands
of years, like Atlantis similar to what we see in the images.
The priests lived to the South in there original homeland which could be the
location of the earlier Dilmun built near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf to
the South and that was built soon after Dalamatia City was destroyed by a tidal
wave due to submergence. The myths of Dalamatia carried throughout the 2 Dilmuns
where the 3rd is Bahrain migrants from the second destruction of Dilmun.
The destruction element in the Atlantis story is about the destruction of
Dalamatia City due to major submergence as can be found in evidence of Gas
deposits in the area, and there is Geo physical data to support the submergence
in the location of Dalamatia City and submergence is mentioned in the UB. The
story of this destruction carried on through the later Nodite cities to
ultimately to form the actual destruction of Atlantis in the story. However,
2ndDilmun was destroyed by sea level rise and this explains the height of the
canals at they build up there canals over time and to save their virtual City
with water surrounding it.
The story about the leaders and there fall from grace is identical to the fall
of the Sons of God losing the first estate and loss of access to the tree of
life in Dalamatia City and is reflective of the rebellion and the Sons of God
going into women to bare their progeny to produce a race perpetuating their
Genes because they had NO immortality from the tree of life. It was taken away.
This explains the degradation of the Atlantis race which in truth are the Sons
of God with previous reflections of a very high culture, reflective of Dalamatia
City and its culture before the fall and then they defaulted, lost their first
estate.
Really speaking the Atlantis story is the Babel story in Dilmun with reflections
of a previous high culture further South.
The so called Pillars of Hercules with reference to Dalamatia City is the heads
of the Persian Gulf, where there are two seas east and West of the Persian
Heads. Going West from the Persian heads you enter the land of the Gods
reflective of Dalamatia City. That whole area including Mesopotamia was their
empire a large empire, East and West and to the North and South.
The Greeks are the later progeny of the loyal Javan/Adamson/Van Civilization who
were in enmity with the Nodite/Atlanteans/The Giants, the ultimate location of
this earlier race of the Javan loyal ones stems from the North Eastern Iran,
where the second wave of these migrants migrated to the West to the islands of
the Med, the Ionian's who then went on to Greece to become the Greeks through
linage. The earlier forefathers of the Greeks where the opposing
force/civilisation of the loyal ones to the Nodites/Dilmunites/Atlanteans.
In summary of the evidence:
You have anomalies that fit the description of Atlantis including the raised
canals leading to the circular temple/city from the sea, with a rectangular
plain to the North and also built on the North/South isthmus running parallel to
the coast.
The depth of the place corresponds to sea level and the destruction of 2nd
Dilmun 13000 years ago, You have a mountain range to the North and east of the
peninsula.
The area is definitely known for submergence with mainly gas deposits, hard
evidence of submergence and gas is made to due rapid submergence causing too
much heat, the cause of the destruction of the first city of the Gods and
civilisation in one day and night. It was there and then it was gone. I feel
submergence has continued since 200,000 years ago and the place was probably
higher than the current sea levels 200,000 years ago when the first city sunk in
a tidal wave.
Atlantis/Dilmun is built in the Western sea to the North . The heads of the
Persian Gulf is the Pillars of Hercules that separates an east and West Sea. You
must pass through the heads going West to get to first city of the Gods which
sunk and further in North of the West Sea (Persian Gulf) you have the 2nd Dilmun
to the North. I'm not sure if Dalamtia was built on an isthmus but I can tell
that 2nd Dilmun appears to be built on an isthmus jutting west running parallel
North and South along the North Eastern Coast of the Persian Gulf which matches
the description of Atlantis completely and points to 2nd Dilmun. The isthmus at
that time may have had small island surrounded by water along the isthmus
between the coastline and the isthmus.
They had a large empire stretching out in all corners of the central homeland in
the Persian Gulf.
So there is my thoughts on Atlantis in 2nd Dilmun and its connection of the
legends of the first city incorporated in the Plato story. It is coupled with
all kinds of evidence and data to support, the same cannot be produced in any
other location.
No one will come up with anything like this which proves Atlantis. I have found
the key and the truth!
About sea levels
Here is a image study I did on first and lower Susa which also corresponds to
the UB in the timeline and matching with sea levels at the time.
In the graph there is also a timeline corresponding to the depth a 2nd Dilmun
that corresponds to around 13,000 years when the sea levels where lower.
This is scientific evidence not just opinions as a white wash, through it in the
corner, that will do assumption regarding the sea levels at various stages in
our past. This is real and not just a mere opinion which has substantiation and
correlation with available data and the words of a new book. In this case of
1stSusa and 2nd Dilmun, a three way parallel of connection of depth of the
submerged city in connection to average sea levels at the time and in the
literal words of a new book in conjunction with all the books including Plato's
story.
If we compare the time stamp in
accordance with the above link the Atlantis/2nd Dilmun destruction happened
13,000 ago.
Plato's says in 600BC that Atlantis was destroyed 10,000 years ago.
So, Plato 600BC, destruction of Atlantis 10,000 years ago from Plato's time =
10,600BC then add 2,000 years AD for our timeline which =12,600 years ago
from our current timeline.
Now check the sea levels at that time
13,000 years ago and the depth of the ruins of 2nd Dilmun and you have very good
match and parallel.
Out by 400 years, not bad at all and I'm sure there is some variation in this
but not much.
I reckon I am absolutely spot on here and no one can make this accurate
connection combining science and religion including myth and legend to anomalies
which are at the right depth considering sea levels as the marker to work with.
Sevens
posted
01-30-2008 01:09 PM
Smiley About 1st Eden
from my studies
The place, 1stEden was built by Van in the Med 38,000 years ago. They were also
in enmity with the Eastern Nodite clan who lived around the Eastern Med. The
Acropolis Hill and its said location in the Ub was why Robert Sarmast looked in
the area using old Russian Bathy Maps, the location was discernible, already
then early in the project. Just before the 1stExpedition the Ifermer maps came
through and verified the acropolis Hill and we could see the wall as mentioned
in the Ub.
However, in light of 1stEden and the Edenites/Adamics, The Nodites never
acknowledge the Adamic title and perpetuated their own history and legends of
there own story in relation of their own connection to the Sons of God in
history and the first city. They considered the Adamics as Alien when they moved
into the 2nd Garden after the default Aliens!! Thats the reason the Nodites
never really embraced the Eden culture to the North nor there Legends in there
own Dilmun/Dalamtia/Atlantis myths.
For me personally, I believe the Atlantis story came from Dilmun then over the
Egypt, then to Plato.
However, 1stEden is a definite reality to and the Med was closed until 34,000
years ago when it broke when it opened it caused the greatest flood on earth and
the biggest loss of life.
Reflections of the break and the effect can be found in the Bible which does
point to the location of 1stEden in the Med.
Essentially you have two stories of the Gods and two temples.
The first being Dalamatia City, the home of the original Sons of God in the
Persian Gulf
and
The story of 1stEden, the home of Adam and Eve in the Med with its own
reflections that can also be adapted and does have similarities to the Plato
story. No doubt!
But for me personally, I think the Atlantis/Nodite/Andite story is more about
the Dilmuns and the story of the fallen Sons of God and the Atlantean/Nodite
race.
All these stories and reflections of these cities are all intermingled in all
our books of religion and for me, the Ub and its assistance along with the range
of evidence and in conjunction with Plato's story helps us to sort out this mass
confusion as can be seen in all these multiple locations.
I contend that I have found the right place and the anomalies speak for itself
backed by all the evidence on many levels. Like the sea levels at the time and
the match with the depth of the city submerged relating to 2nd Dilmun. The
evidence also includes hard data and graphs an Geo-Physical representations on
submergence which pertains to actual location of Dalamatia City and you have the
images containing the circular foundations of the main centre as in Plato's
story.
Note: there are circular features in Both Dalamatia City and 2nd Dilmun, the
connection in design and symbolic features, a reflection of the previous,
nothing new. In conjunction to the canals and the circular foundations you have
the rectangular walled section to the North of 2nd Dilmun jutting into a swampy
area walled and protected as seen in the images. You can actually see the breach
of the protective Sea wall in the North in the images.
All these cities are exactly where they are supposed to be, in the descriptions
contained in all the books namely the UB. Rob and I used the books to find these
places in our own individual journey to the places...all the books.
But I feel the great mystery of Atlantis has been deciphered in the right spot
pointing to the 2nd Dilmun and with a Sound mind with evidence to boot on many
levels that match.
However, it does require an expedition to verify, I think we have more chance of
being successful than any other party.
But in saying this, I believe I am the closest to the truth regarding Atlantis,
closer than anybody else and I have data and images to show for the journey
along with other corroborating evidence.
With religion, why I react is because people denigrate the book, the book that
led me on this vast journey, I will defend the UB from any attack that is not
substantiated in facts or evidence.
But you have to understand that all these places have all to do with religion in
our day, many aspects of religion do derive from these places.
Its all encompassing with religion and truth as there are many fragments of
these places in the Books of religion. Like the Sons of God and Babel a
commercial centre or like the land of Nod or the degrading of the Sons of God
going in to women to produce a new race of the Gods similar to Atlantis so
called Gods.
I'm sure when the tower collapsed in the second attempt business went on as
usual being a commercial center and it wasn't far in the timeline of the
destruction of the 2nd Dilmun.
Thats what I think but its futile to argue because everyone has their own idea.
Sevens
posted
01-30-2008 01:16 PM
no worries mate!
I think what I have discovered and collected along the way, is good for a public
presentation and I can relate all these cities to Plato's Atlantis and cross
reference in all the books including the Ub, its real liberation seeing the
oneness and having the freedom in all the cross references.
I believe I can present a real universal story of Atlantis that will never be
matched in the way of hard evidence along with scientific data to support
Plato's assertions in the 2nd Dilmun/Atlantis and including the reflections of
Dalamatia City.
All the evidence has to match in the one spot and I think I have found the
target that has been hidden for Eons.
And with a sound and logical mind ahahahahahah.
Not fluffy opinions and loose
assumption with out any facts at least from the scientific realm. Opinions
without some kind fact or image of anomalies fails the test of truth and is only
a unsubstantiated theory a mere opinion, a mere opinion with nothing much
sevens
posted
01-30-2008 02:36 PM
Hey I was thinking as all alternative
would a Google presentation suffice? as a presentation that could be viewed in
the conference?
Without one being there.
sevens
posted
01-30-2008 05:18 PM
Sumerian Text
quote:
1.Holy is [the place] where you
are;
2.The mountain Dilmun is holy.
3.Holy is the place where you are;
4.......the mountain Dilmun is is holy.
5.The mountain Dilmun is holy, the mountain Dilmun is pure,
6.The mountain Dilmun is pure; the mountain Dilmun is brilliant.
7.Alone in Dilmun they lay down;
8.Where Enki and his consort lay,
9.That place is pure; that place is brilliant.
10.Where Enki and Ninella lay, 11.That Place is pure, that place is brilliant.
12.In Dilmun the raven cried not,
13.The dar-bird its dar-cry uttered not.
14.The deadly lion destroyed not,
15.The wolf a lamb seized not,
16.The dog the weak kid tore not,
17.The dun-animal (sow) the food-grain destroyed not,
18.The planned not for young off spring...
19.The birds of heaven their offspring hatched not,
20.Doves laid noteggs (?)_
21.Of eye-disease, "it is eye-disease," one said not;
22.Of headache, "it is headache," one said not.
23.To a mother, "mother," one said not,
24.To a father, "father," one said not.
25.In the holy place a libation was poured not; in the city one drank not;
26.The river-man "cross it?" said not;
27.The overseer filled no right hand;
28.The musician "sing," said not;
29.The prince of the city spoke not.
30.Ninella to her father Enki Said: 31."A city thoust founded, a city thou hast founded, its destiny thou
hast fiexe;
32.In Dilmun a city thou has hast founded,
33.......thou hast founded a city,
34.........a canal there is not
35...;;;.....thou hast founded a city"
This one seems to remind me of this
image of 2nd Dilmun.
Perhaps another identification clue of the location of 2nd Dilmun and note the
reflections to the home of Gods adopted by the Dilumnites which really points to
Dalamatia City, the first place of the Gods.
And look at this big clue.
quote:
34.........a canal there is not
All about the 2nd Dilmun and reference
to its canals!! As we can see it was a city full of canals similar to in Plato's
story.
and obvious references to City that has been founded and has destiny in the
complete scheme of things.
quote:
31. "A city thoust founded, a
city thou hast founded, its destiny thou hast fiexe;
32. In Dilmun a city thou has hast founded,
and in the following you reference to
a temple that I believe is Babel, the Shrine or the Holy mountain like Ziggurat
or a pyramid. Built in Dilmun like the circular features we see connected by
Canals in the images.
5.The mountain Dilmun is holy, the mountain Dilmun is pure,
All these reflections are all contained in the Plato story all of them. 2nd
Dilmun was the real Atlantis.
Like the Atlantis story we have
A city that was purpose built as a commercial centre.
Within the City of 2nd Dilmun was the holy mountain or shrine like the Acropolis
Hill or Holy Mountain of 1stEden.
The city had canals as we can see.
It was revered as the home of the Gods that was pure and bright.
It had water everywhere and must be close to river like the head of the rivers
in Southern Mesopotamia which is a match.
All reflections of Atlantis/2nd Dilmun.
Sevens
posted
01-30-2008 05:25 PM
gee whiz, its happening.
Even the name Dilmun (Dil mun) has similar soundings to Dalamatia (Dala mat) or
Dilmat (Dil mat) as the Egyptians regarded it like the isle of Maat the place of
justice I think. Obviously depicting rulership and we know the Dilmunites
exported themselves and culture to Egypt and Bahrain.
Sevens
posted
01-31-2008 05:17 AM
ahahahah
I had a laugh!
I think the fishes are the inhabitants?
III have to go there and prove it then.
That would be the first step
ahahaha
I think I have a good case on Atlantis, you speak of Paranormal, isn't the bible
paranormal?
One day III get there and verify the place or the places and if its not me it
will be somebody else!
Like I say the wall was written about and we found that and you cant dissolve
that or take that away and there is more to come in the future.
The discovery of 1stEden is a major crown and so is Dalamatia City a major crown
and in the end days the crowns will be given. I believe they are all the crowns
of Paradise that will be used for purpose. If we verify Dalamatia City then
things will change.
I reckon this is bigger than the reformation or is the best thing since Jesus
Christ.
Sevens
posted
01-31-2008 05:48 AM
Hey Brig,
You want to put some money into an expedition, you know, you and me on the
yellow submarine exploring the abyss confronting the truth of the matter.
hahahaha
sevens
posted
01-31-2008 04:43 PM
I have in my last post spoken about
Dilmun and Atlantis sure it may of side tracked a little to 1Eden, but in my
last posts I am referring to Atlantis/Dilmun.
That's my Atlantis hypothesis that the legend of Atlantis is in Northern Dilmun
and I believe I can corroborate the fact through an expedition to verify those
anomalies that are manmade and the site of a large and old city that fits the
description of Atlantis.
I promise on this thread I will talk about Atlantis in Dilmun and wont talk
about 1stEden.
Those recent posts up the chain, no one reads them anyway.
The fact that I mentioned that I was going public somehow, and me going berserk
on the knowledge is really the formulation of the Atlantis presentation.
Anyway Robert Sarmast and his hypothesis said that the anomalies in 1stEden is
Atlantis.
Actually Smiley, there are 2 Atlantis in real truth, The second Atlantis of the
Mediterranean as Rob stated and the first Atlantis in the Persian Gulf. Both
places where home of Sons of God at different time lines and they both housed
the tree of life.
Thats my Hypothesis too and will be proved as the Atlantis' This is the Atlantis
journey.
These places are the Atlantis' and are the source of other names like Garden of
Hesperides a reflection, the Elysium fields, all part of Greek Mythology which
is the Adamson rendition of the realities of all these cities 1stEden. Dalamatia
city is included on the list.
and Atlantis
The home of the Gods in timeline that is recorded in the Bible and in Plato, it
is finding greater unity daily. This process would be the way of the Kingdom of
Heaven/Paradise for the Atlantis' to be known.
What amazing is the dualities in both locations of Atlantis in the Med and in
the Persian Gulf and what happened in their time that brought about the demise
of the cities. The Atlantis story by Plato contains many true aspects of the
truth in both places of the Gods. Its a duality in parallel of similar realities
and especially how the destruction of places occurred. Each aspect of Plato's
story has a signature of what occurred in each city. In my mind the Plato story
is a story of the temples of the Father and what occurred in each of them and
his it own mark of character. 2 cities in one. Including the Van/Adamson
vestiges in North Eastern Iran.... its a Tipura! The story of 3 main
cities where the tree of life was kept! The 3 cities that became one...a
fulfillment of prophecy in the Hindu culture!
Robert Sarmast is quite right and justified to say that 1stEden is the Atlantis
of the Med and I am quite justified to say that Dalamatia City is the Atlantis
of the Persian Gulf even if I use Dilmun in the process, it will come back to
Dalamatia City because 2nd Dilmun is the city that is also described by Plato in
description in some aspects as being the last vestige of those previous ages, in
the Atlantis' ages. 2nd Dilmun was the last mark/reflection of those times and
was included in the description by Plato which was 2ndDilmun. But the real
cities of our origins of the story lay in 2 places of the Sons of God, all
combined in the Plato story as a oneness and each place has its own and
signature in the description detailed in Plato. How ingenious was Plato.
The anomalies will prove and verify the case.
Sevens
posted
01-31-2008 05:52 PM
Hi Smiley,
Well I thought this piece is interesting
quote:
Before the land of Dilmun yet existed, the E-ana of Unug Kulaba was well
founded , and the holy jipar of Inana in brick-built Kulaba shone forth
like the silver in the lode. Before ...... carried ......, before ......,
before ...... carried ......, before the commerce was practiced; before gold,
silver, copper, tin, blocks of lapis lazuli, and mountain stones were brought
down together from their mountains, before ...... bathed for the festival,
......, ...... time passed.
In the above passage, it states that Dilmun did not even exist at Creation.
The above quoted only supports my
contention that another place existed before Dilmun and that place was Dalamatia
City. It literally speak \s of another previous place and city built by Brick.
Dalamatia City was built by Brick.
Also the mountain stones seem like
holy relics brought down from the temple or ziggurat. Like and similar to bring
down holy things from the temple of Dalamatia City or like down from the
Acropolis Hill in 1stEden.
Thats what we should expect to find there many Bricks in Dalamatia City in the
Persian Gulf. The first place before Dilmun.
Yes thats true it depends on how you interpret the above quote.
I found that fascinating and what you found great links
and yes before commerce ever started and that does reflect Dalamatia City as
being a learning center.
quote:
The Tower of Babel was
post-flood. Therefore it could not possibly be interpreted to Atlantis. by
smiley
When you say post flood do you mean
the whole earth was flooded 6000 years ago?? Like as is taught in the churches?
I believe that is wrong and there was never a world wide flood, covering
everything. However, Noah did exist and he and his experience recorded was a
local event due to uplift in the North carrying greater melt water. That's all
Noah's story is. Nothing more, a recorded local event that was adopted by Jews
in Captivity.
You will find that I am right about 2ndDilmun and Babel. Nothing in the above
statement of yours shows no data to prove the assertion. Its a loose assumption.
Its sure does exist there are some good targets that will prove the truth of the
matter. The sea levels where lower and there was civilisation living at its
shores.
Like I said in a previous post. 1stEden and Dalamatia City are the 2 Atlantis'
of the Plato's Story and each place has its signature in the story. Combine what
we know and can see in the images its a completion of the Atlantis Story, the
story of the Atlantis' one in the Med and one in the Persian Gulf.
The 2 cities run in Parallel in Demise and in the environment. The aspect of
Atlantis being but a skeleton of the Previous with Atlantis having high
mountains fits the 1stEden aspect of story of the Atlantis in the Med. When the
city is described by Plato in aspect it matches the 2nd Dilmun aspect of the
city being a circular center and having canals running to the sea but the same
could be said for 1Eden to.
The demise of both 1stEden and Dalamatia is identical, Dalamatia smashed by a
tidal wave due to rapid and major submergence. There in one moment and gone in
the next, nothing but water.
1stEden in the same way when the Rock of Gibraltar split. The first inhabitants
of the city where of high estate and where the Sons of God including Adam and
Eve in another time frame and in each case both the Sons of God in their first
city degraded themselves and the mankind never received the full allotment of
Genes but instead received the Nodite Gene which subdued our path. The Nodite
gene is related to attitude and such things. Got nothing to do with color but in
attitude.
Anyway the 2 Atlantis' in the Med and the Persian Gulf, they are the Atlantis'
the story of 2 cities.
Both 2nd Dilmun and 1stEden where built on a isthmus and jutted out of Eastern
Coastline of Land. Both 1stEden Atlantis of the med and 2nd Dilmun and Dalamatia
City both lived in a sea that had heads and a sea that ran East/West and to the
North.
Here is an interesting article of
Seven in the Bible.
quote:
And Abimelech said unto Abraham,
What mean these seven ewe lambs which thou hast set by themselves? And he
said, For these seven ewe lambs shalt thou take of my hand, that they may
be a witness unto me, that I have digged this well. Wherefore he called
that place Beersheba; because there they sware both of them.
Genesis 21
quote:
a witness unto me, that I have
digged this well.
Digged a well hey, the Seven lambs eh!
and a witness to the event, Like writing a journal of the process of the
event...interesting! Like finding the crowns of change! eh! Like Sevens
witnessing an event that is written about in the beforehand!! and that is
related to the 2 Atlantis' of the planet.
Digged a well of truth and Sevens was
a witness to it. Writing about it.
No problem wireless but I don't think
there was a worldwide flood covering all things. The only time that occurred was
in the Archaozic times, a long time ago before anything was on the planet as
recorded in the second day or around that time. I'm talking about billions of
years ago.
Continuing
A fragment from the above link
quote:
Note also the that the phrase "I
will sware" which Abraham spoke in verse 24 is formed by prefixing Shava with
an Aleph (cf. Aleph Alphabetic Verses) which then evaluates to the prime
number 373 - the value of the Logos, or Word, of God
and by the way my membership
quote:
sevens
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What a connection ahahahahahah....
gotta laugh at that one! Even though the order is out its all the same prime
numbers.
And interesting link on triangles and
stars in relation the number Sevens
From the above gif, the number 337
relates directly to the star like the 373 and 3 relates to the triangle.
How fascinating is that considering the discovery and study of the first city
Dalamatia City, THE TRIANGLE CITY in the Persian Gulf. Coincidental or
what? or is this the confirmation in perfection of numbers. Like in the numbers
all is forming a perfection, a oneness.
quote:
373, prime number, balanced
prime, sum of five consecutive primes (67 + 71 + 73 + 79 + 83), permutable
prime with 337 and 733, palindromic prime
came from wikipedia
and
quote:
Permutable prime
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A permutable prime is a prime number, which, in a given base, can have its
digits switched to any possible permutation and still spell a prime number. H.
E. Richert, who supposedly first studied these primes, called them permutable
primes[1], but later they were also called absolute primes[2].
In base 10, the all permutable primes with less than 4 digits are (with the
permutations listed in parentheses):
Number 337 (Story #2),
September 18, 1997 by Phillip F. Schewe and Ben Stein
REAL PHOTONS CREATE MATTER. Einstein's equation E=mc2 formulates the idea that
matter can be converted into light and vice versa. The vice-versa part,
though, hasn't been so easy to bring about in the lab. But now physicists at
SLAC have produced electron-positron pairs from the scattering of two "real"
photons (as opposed to the "virtual" photons that mediate the electromagnetic
scattering of charged particles). To begin, light from a terawatt laser is
sent into SLAC's highly focused beam of 47-GeV electrons. Some of the laser
photons are scattered backwards, and in so doing convert into high-energy
gamma ray photons. Some of these, in turn, scatter from other laser photons,
affording the first ever creation of matter from light-on- light scattering
of real photons in a lab. (D.L. Burke et al., Physical Review Letters, 1
September 1997.)
I wonder if there is a reduction of
the ultimatonic spin of the ultimatons within the electrons within the laser. So
matter does come from light photons, exactly where the Ultimaton lives where the spin
is responsible for matter and what type.
It seems that the great name is Abba I winder if that has relation to Abbes??
Maybe, Abba or Abbes its part of
the linage of the Seventh Angel if its a man?? I wonder if that has something to
do with the Javan or the Young in the name. A duality! of the linage stemming
from both parents but the same thing in the name?? In the same oneness direction
even in linage?? not to mention the relation to the Sevens?? and not to mention
the truth of everything!! including the discoveries of the two cities of
Atlantis!!!!!! and the truth behind the cities.
How very interesting to the discoveries of all things.
Everything matches, I mean everything!!!!!!
from every aspect and angle!
The name was withheld purely for self
realization in the journey of the End times.
sevens
posted
02-01-2008 04:05 AM
I doubt that wishful thinking
The Spratlys came up with nothing except Mud.
Show me a Geologist with Data that will support you.
It sounds like wishful thinking, like a faith thing.
So regards to the Spratlys, from a small island that is unsustainable for a big
city to a huge island covering Asia and Libya with only a sea level drop of
120m.
Yep, its the religion of Atlantis in the Atlantic. Try some charms that may
raise the great island of Atlantis, a faith thing that will always be a faith
thing.
The best thing I heard to support this shallow theory is, because of the
worldwide flood covering everything. (another furvey) Atlantis its all gone and
thats why it will never be found. ahahaha what a cop out that one is.
To use the Bible with an error of a worldwide flood to support a loosing case of
Atlantis in the Atlantic of which nothing will be found. Just like that, with no
evidence of a single thing.
Now its all faith, total faith, that was best trick I thought in maintaining a
false theory and one that requires no evidence therefore the false theory is
maintained because its all gone by the flood.... A worldwide flood which never
existed worldwide.... 600BC was the fabrication and story expansion of the
Noah's story for personal motive of building nationalism of a race of people who
were subdued and felt God abandoned them. The same people who came back to
Jerusalem with a new book influenced by their Babylonian maintainers.
And said this is the book and its been like that ever since.
However, the Persian Gulf Atlantis/2nd
Dilmun did have a large empire the size of Libya and Asia. East to West and
makes sense and there is much to support it.
sevens
posted
02-01-2008 04:59 AM
Rajesh
Unfortunately most of the post that was about Sri Lanka was decimated by a
secret editing of the main people who run the forum.
I have the original post if you like to inspect it.
I just thought that was a gutless trick without any explanation at all.
Hey I must of been right.
It happens all the the time. I must be on the path of truth if the
moderators/owner have to secretly change the posts and begin there prejudiced
editing.
Who is that person editing my posts and changing aspects of the search from
truth.
Who is that actual persons changing my on the run research. Hiding behind
something no doubt, in the hills like a coward.
Anyway, Rajesh here is the full post, it was on the run in a couple of hours.
Who is that gutless wonder changing things on me secretly.
Probably a Nodite David Icke reptilian. I don't think its you Rajesh because you
respect people as seen in your courtesy.
But who is that yellow bellied coward changing my posts, this is happened
several times.
The truth to hard to handle. Eh! Is that what it is. The truth!
The secret editing is the NODITE propensity of Denial that I speak about. That
is the evidence of the real truth of the matter. Cowards!
This is what the Nodites do, everything in secret and has to hide from the
truth, behind everyone's back.
Exactly the Nodite propensity of Denial of the truth given to mankind and
keeping truth away from him to prop up there own crap to make money out of it.
Keep man on a string!
The Nodites of this world want to keep the truth away from man in order to keep
control of man for his Nodite purpose.
Now you see the Nodite action at work from some 2 hr research about good Sri
Lanka and its people.
Those secret editing sessions of the Nodite is proof that I was close to the
truth! That's why they edit my posts. The Hypocrisy of it. In front of your
eyes. That is the proof that I am right! and is part of the record of this
annals of Paradise.
Only Nodites work in secret and behind peoples backs. They know they cant argue
against it so they delete points that hurt secretly!
That why I copy all my posts so that the Nodites cant destroy the posts of
truth! as there is a record and many copies of the work!
The same as the conflict between the Atlanteans and the Adamsons/Javan you can
even see it here on this so called place of truth which it is not, by the
evidence.
Eh Nodite! I always check my pearls because they are always at risk of
decimation from your race like in the above Sri Lanka post.
Come on Nodite...show yourself! You are exposed!!
ahahahahah I do have the last laugh at
the end of the day!
ahahahahah
sevens
sevens
posted
02-01-2008 05:32 AM
Brig
Maybe they all gave up trying to tell
you something and have departed since because they saw the futility of it. I
have strange things happen to me all the time on all levels and it continues
more than ever these days.
But not worth mentioning because its a no big deal actually I find it rather
comical and I see humor behind it.
Ask a Nodite priest maybe he can summon them back to you through some weird
ceremony but I doubt it, A nodite and his propensity have no standing in the
Kingdom of Heaven. The Angels will not lower their high standards for child's
play. And seeking paranormal experiences is child play!!! real child play!!!!!
The Angels are only interested in
truth and righteousness. That's why they are gone from you in the work because
they cant speak to you because of attitude! However, they do record your life
and attitude! but that's about all, currently.
Maybe what I say to you in this post, through my own assistants is the message
from your ex team by proxy of my team of Angels to you in this writing by
myself!
Pride maybe the blockage, false denial
of the truth! as its presented. Maybe you insulted them by bagging and spurning
the truth in the books which greatly insulted them?? and deemed you unworkable
for the moment. Maybe you should really pray about it to the Father in the
Kingdom of Heaven, a real prayer of sincerity and repent from the insult to the
angels and their work.
Maybe the point of the misreading of
time of the clocks, over time is about your confused error in the timeline of
truth which stems from no acceptance of the message which they are trying to get
to you. The theme appears to be regarding time and your supposed work is all
about the timeline and truth on this forum. This could be the interpretation of
the clocks and of the Angels for you.
Remember by rejecting the guidance of the angels in truth, you reject Paradise
in its work for this planet and at the end of the day you stand alone with
angels departed except in the recording of your life and attitude. The record is
given to the Ancients of Days presented for personality survival of yourself at
the end of your day on this planet!
Don't just spurn this post, have a
good think about it Brig.
sevens
posted
02-01-2008 06:17 AM
Mish
Ouija boards are a tool for the last rebel to get into your mind and take over.
At first it would be fun and innocent but over time it gets very serious and
people can connect to Cal if they desire and this is one tool of performing
that.
The course of Miracles eventuated from
this process and the last book, the 3rd is contained some aspects that reveal
the process and technique that is used, it is gross and the opposite to the
Jesus standards of seeking truth, prayer and faith in the forming of a
relationship with the Father of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Ouija boards is a direct route to the
last rebel! and terrible consequences for the spirit of man does come out of
that. The last rebel is not faithful to anything or anyone. He will destroy you
over time from keeping you away from the real truth of all things where you are
left with confusion in all matters pertaining to the spiritual world.
sevens
posted
02-01-2008 07:27 AM
Doc
A full on expedition went out to the Spratlys and verified that nothing existed
there and definitely nothing in the size of Atlantis. That was the report and
you still get on to this false thought even in light of an expedition and truth
of the matter. Also there is no Geophysical data of subsidence in that area.
How crazy and insane are you man!!
The Persian heads and its isthmus at 120m lower with river channels that ran
parallel to the coast between the isthmus and the coastline has far better
evidence than anything in front of the heads of Gibraltar.
Let go of it man, you're holding on to a sinking ship theory.
The Feeble minded still persist in their quest which nothing will come out for
them.
Absolutely feeble minded and receives no blessings from paradise.
The actions are so evil.
The Wahabbi doctrine has led them to a road of pure self destruction on every
level.
This is not a short cut to Paradise and is not Martyrdom, its just pure murder
of innocent people over a doctrine that s not respected by Paradise.
I don't think they will even see the gates of
Paradise in any sense and I know this from my own studies in the books of
religion.
sevens
Israel will stand Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:49 pm
The leader of Iran is mad and demented like his backers.
They are so far from the truth its unbelievable!
Abraham's progeny will not be destroyed as through the promises of Paradise,
that covenant still stands and stand strong and the message also come from the
Ancient places.
Take heart Israel and its people.
The lord will always come good on his promises. Israel will stand strong as
written in the books of religion.
The Lord and his promises are manifesting every day in this almighty and grand
journey to the truth! and Jesus is right behind giving full backing.
If anything the current leader of Iran will taken out of his position, his own
tenure is in doubt! according to the Paradise plan of the End times. The
people will reject him because he has done nothing for the people themselves.
He has neglected his duty of truth towards his own, resting on error rhetoric
which is unsubstantiated and unsustainable.
He has come up short in his duty towards his fellow country man and the rest
of the world, he is an unsuitable leader by the Paradise standards which is
truth, beauty and goodness.
He has failed! and will shown the door out of positions of power and
responsibility towards the people of Iran.
The truth will deal its own hand regarding this poor leader.
sevens
posted
02-01-2008 10:58 PM
No problem Doc
I appreciate what you say and it would be good to find Tartesso and its ruins.
Maybe you should go around there and look around and see if you find some clues.
For me personally I don't think Tartesso was the original places of the Gods as
Persian and Mesopotamia stems so much further back closer to the times of the
Sons of God and Adam and Eve for the reasons I have outlined.
All the best in your quest.
sevens
Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:42 am
God's word thru Ezekiel 38:13
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions
thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou
gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take
away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Seheb = seven
What does Dedan mean?
Quote:
Dedan
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The word Dedan means "low ground".
In the Bible, it can refer to either:
* A son of Raamah (Genesis 10:7). His descendants are mentioned in Isaiah
21:13 and Ezekiel 27:15. They probably settled among the sons of Cush,
on the north-west coast of the Persian Gulf.
* A son of Jokshan, Abraham's son by Keturah (1 Chronicles 1:32). His
descendants settled on the Syrian borders about the territory of Edom. They
probably led a pastoral life.
* a city of Arabia, modern Al-'Ula.
Here is an interesting article of Seven in the Bible.
Quote:
And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What mean
these seven ewe lambs which thou hast set by themselves? And he said,
For these seven ewe lambs shalt thou
take of my hand, that they may be a witness unto me, that I have digged this
well. Wherefore he called that place Beersheba; because there they
sware both of them.
Genesis 21
Quote:
a witness unto me, that I have digged
this well.
Digged a well hey, the Seven
lambs eh! and a witness to the event, Like writing a journal of the process of
the event...interesting! Like finding the crowns of change! eh!
There has been much study left in other places but I thought this double post
was appropriate to the current journey which hasn't stopped since I have been
away. I have been finding many things.
Here is the post and verses that where left by other researchers but I could see
relation of the verses to my own journey.
-------------------------------------------
There is another fine future story call The Mystery of Solomon written by St
Ephraim in the Eastern Christian church model. Its not the Pauline projection.
But anyway this mystery involves Sheba Seven) and the bright spark and the
personal loss of a relationship and the discovery of 1Eden whereby the bright
spark and Seven never lost his shining and discovered Eden. It also makes
connection to the crowns of the planet.
Im thinking is the above somehow connected to the same prophecy as in St
Ephraim.
The Spoils of Sevens and Dedan, is that the spoils of truth coming to pass as in
the discoveries. I was wondering is Seven and Dedan are related in that, the
person Sevens and the location DEDAN being associated with "LOW GROUND"
as underwater where the crowns lay, the truth, where Sevens is the name given by
the Father and Dedan is the location from the North Persian Gulf which could
also refer to 2nd Dilmun where one of the lost city is closely situated and does
reflect back to Dalamatia City in low ground.
Quote:
Ezekiel 38:13
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young
lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil?
hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold,
to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
The fact that first Eden and Sheba(Seven) is mentioned and associated with the
Crowns of the planet, the ancient places. I believe are references associated
with this multiple discovery of multiple cities.
When the above quote speaks of the spoils, I believe they are the crowns, the
spoils for those who have faith in the journey and in Jesus Christ.
The fact of this
Quote:
And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What mean
these seven ewe lambs which thou hast set by themselves? And he said,
For these seven ewe lambs shalt thou take of my hand, that they may be a
witness unto me, that I have digged this well. Wherefore he called that place
Beersheba; because there they sware both of them.
Where you find again another Sevens as in the Seven lambs (Sevens) witnessing
the work of Abraham (The Father) digging a well, like us digging into the water
to discover the city and Sevens is writing all about it, documenting for the
Father the discovery on the run while the Father is digging the well of truth
through his revealing especially from the books.
I believe we are digging the well of truth as we journey to the first places and
which is being witnessed, everyday.
I find in the mystery of Solomon and the above biblical quotes its all about the
journey of Sevens to the ancient cities and I believe its the Sevens the
documents for the Father and I can see it reflected in this journey.
The Elect and the Sons of God inherit everything on the planet, the young lions
are us who walk in the truth. We are all witnessing the father work in the
experience and he is digging into the well of truth, digging under the water,
you have to dig under the waterline to make a well.
The Father in the Kingdom of Heaven is digging our well of truth for us right
now.
Also note Dedan, begins with D like Dilmun and Dalamatia City, they all begin
with D and also in the case of the name of one of the discovers. The syllables
have the same connection in other related names.
In this journey like the Seven lambs we are the Sevens people like the Seven
churches witnessing the Father in his work.
The Father is digging the well for his Seven lamb, Seven churches, Seven people.
That I believe is the real code for us young lions, who will inherit Babylon as
the spoils.
However, who a "the merchants of Tarshish" With are these
merchants that assist Sheba(Seven) in taking the spoil? Are these the faith
bears of the truth somehow involved in commerce and trade and who are the truth
seekers within the Babylon System who also flow the truth and assist? In the
discovery?
So Sheba(Sevens) and the location Dedan with the assistance of the Tarshish
traders assist in the verification of the places and win a big spoil as in the
truth, digging in a well of truth with a witness transcribing the spiritual
experience as in a book or a table/tablet on the run. The Digger is Abraham as
in the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven.
I just want to say not all the traders of Tarshish are bad there are some faith
believers who are traders who await the day and do look at for the signs. But we
have to see in the journey who these traders are? and who assist in the
financial backing for the ultimate expedition. the real test of faith and truth,
in the verification.
I believe this is the highest interpretation of these texts in the experience.
In the following is a personal testimony that is personal but I believe is
linked to this journey and does involve Sheba(Seven) and the submerged crowns. I
believe this story was meant for self realization/self identification through
the experience of one of the discovers of the crowns. I'm sort of baring a
pearl, please dont stamp on it.
This all recent history and many cities have come and gone from the annals of
history, in this timeline, it does not parallel with the first places of Gods
where they originate from, the first place of all civilisation. It does not come
directly from the place your looking into. Tartessous is not the places of the
Gods can you show me some writing from this place? please and what they say, not
the Roman thoughts but the people of the city.
The places of the Sons of God come from the Persian Gulf. Your timeline is far
to late in the timeline. It really is and so is everyone elses
Sevens
posted
02-02-2008 07:06 PM
Even though I have different ideas to
in some respects. I think Bluehues feelings about Aden is about the Ad which
which was part of the Andite/The Ad empire, ultimately part of the Atlantean
empire of the Persian Gulf and stems from the fallen Sons in the timeline going
back.
I feel looking from that prospective that its that not that far from the truth,
the early places of civilisation is older than in Spain. Motive, we all
are driven by our beliefs I suppose. Least Bluehue does present his belief in
his research and puts his personal research on the line.
sevens
posted
02-02-2008 07:17 PM
Gee I'm talking about 150,000 years of the
origins of 2nd Dilmun and its destruction 13,000 years ago. Not a poultry 1300BC
with not a single image or any data.
The Greeks ultimately migrated out or North Eastern Iran thousands of years ago
through the Med island as the Ionian's and then onto Greece thousands of years
previous. Its was East to West migration, a migration that mosts experts agree
with.
Yet I can understand the Greeks from Greece exploring the area to the West, why
not, influencing civilisation with there stories of the myths and legends which
the local inhabitants heard and eventually included those legends in their
folklore.
The time I speak is way before any civilisation reached Spain as we can relate
to.
I'm looking at NASA software to the east of Spain and still I find nothing much
that resembles anything like that in the Persian Gulf.
What do you think Doco.
Sevens
posted
02-02-2008 07:34 PM
I dont think I will attend the conference as I
cant but I do believe that my thoughts will be rejected anyway, when all the
evidence is submitted.
To me it would be futile speaking from my perspective even though it would
present more hard evidence than what anyone can offer from books and data as a
oneness. I personally think no one will come close to my presentation ever. I
reckon I have everything! even in this early stage.
The Atlantis, Sons of God who built the place know that it would be futile to
present this information at this stage because of all the intellectualism but no
spirit nor soul nor demonstration in the faith. The Atlantis followers will not
believe or have faith in the final presentation. Faith ahahahahahahah! What a
joke as I see.
Aaahh just joking, but I know what I say makes up a GROUSE presentation,
incomparable to those stuffy old men with nothing to say, just going in circles
repeating there usual rhetoric of BOREDOM year after year with no result.
No one can demonstrate Atlantis with solid stuff! III create my own Atlantis
forum. ahahaahh just joking their to, I couldn't be bothered and no one can be
bothered even if it was the truth! Connecting the two Atlantis' as a oneness.
Connecting the two Atlantis' as a oneness and not as a dead presentation but as
something that is alive and has life! to seeks the future destiny of mankind and
kick goals and ASS. ahahahah
Something that fires up and lays a path for man, a presentation that has life
and energy and invigorates man and inspires his soul to seek the and great
things in life through the discoveries of both the land of the GODS, the Sons of
God. Right on man! The Atlantis Gods
Not some Blah Blah where we have that but there is nothing hard and over here we
have that but we have no evidence and maybe it could mean that but it could mean
that, we think this is but that could be the case. Blah going no where. Like
with many documentaries these days most of them reaching dead ends. I have the
pres of no dead ends.
Also, before people come to the presentation of the planet they would have to
read some stuff in the beforehand of coming to the presentation. So they are
familiar with the gist and then we go through the evidence. People would have
educate themselves beforehand and then we will prove the path in the displaying
of evidence to prove each point.
That would be the way I would do it, in my pres, people would know the base
knowledge, then we sift together and go through the points on every level
spiritual and physical, and make the completeness.
Everyone has to do a little work and read and study, Like I had to in the
formulation of the pres. Its not going to be some sit back and let me entertain
you, if you want truth you have to work for the pearls as gain without price is
worthless.
Its not smooth and easy like Cable TV where everyone gets fat where the profit
makers are entertaining you with anything they like. No, we all work to find the
truth then when we realize it individually where it has value because it was
from the sweat of your brow and it would be appreciated and be with you.
Sevens
posted
02-02-2008 08:07 PM
Have fun in your silent house.
ahahahahahahaha
sevens
posted
02-02-2008 08:16 PM
Thanks doco
I believe I do have the evidence and that all that has to happen is verification
using may methods.
I feel very confident. The evidence is in the images, the sea levels of the time
and the depth of the ruins and is connected with books, piece by piece layer
upon layer and precept upon precept.
Sevens ahahahahahahaha
posted
02-02-2008 08:21 PM
Doco, Says who, and who is they?
quote:
If I remember right homo sapians
just came out of Africa and swam across to Yemen
Says who and why do you believe him.
Does he have evidence?? How do you know they did not walk??
Sevens
posted
02-02-2008 08:27 PM
How do you know that Modern man as we
know him with self reflectivity and the power to worship something greater than
himself did not come from another place on the planet??
How do you they all (man) came out Africa!
Why man could of evolved out of protected mountainous area in North Western
India near Lake Dal 1,000,000,000 years ago and the Neanderthals could of
evolved at the base of the Himalayas in India much time before Modern Man and
roamed the world??
Sevens ahahahahahah
posted
02-02-2008 08:46 PM
Yes, but I believe there is more to
the story and I dont think the Modern man as we know him came from Africa. There
is more to the story that can add to what we know. Sure many humoid species and
primate ape man species perhaps came out of Africa but I believe Modern man came
from Lake Dal area as a separate transmutation that was not attached to the
African ape man primate. I feel Modern Human man is of Asian Descent.
Neanderthals in Israel, no problem at all and Neanderthals was in Africa more
than a million years ago and traveled throughout the world as it was walkable
and all continents where connected at some points. They did to various Ape
species what Modern man did to Neanderthals, wiped them out.
But the origins of the Neanderthals come from the foothills of Himalayas and I
know where we have to go to find the evidence and what mountain range to find
the evidence to prove that one.
Gee! I have to make alot of money to do all this at least within the next 20
years! What an almighty task when I know no backing will come from anywhere. I
suppose I have to await theships of Tarshishand the
younglions!, The Javanlions. The Lions of Van
So Sheba (Seven) can go to Dedan (lower ground, associated with
Nth Persian Gulf) and take the Spoils for the Elect! and inherit everything for
the elect whoever they are! After that the all the Kings shall flow to the
place, on a boat, not walk but Flow to the place and seek the knowledge as that
will be proven as FACT. That will be the reality of the "Realm of
Paradise" a physical country submerged! with Dalamatia City as its capital!
a physical country submerged! with Dalamatia City as its capital! and with a
city floating on a barge on top of the submerged transparent living city.
Like in Stargate Atlantis!
Everyone in the world will come to see the first City encapsulated in a living
submerged transparent city of humans and researchers walking around the place.
The waiting!
Sevens
posted
02-02-2008 09:53 PM
What evidence you got nothing that
relates to the Land of the Gods or the Sons of God, you just blinded by some
nationalism of some sort.
1300BC give a break, I laugh at that, sorry!
I don't see Gorgeous making great breakthroughs he cant even post an image
except for Photoshop manipulated images using vectors. Its what I have seen for
years and it hasn't gone anywhere!
Blind leading the blind good luck to you. I just think your argument gets more
ridiculous all the time with absolutely nothing to show.
From what i understand Gorgeous is not
coming because he has nothing else to add, sounds like a dead end! Sounds like a
boring conference with same theories propping each other up in light of a ship
going down.
All the prime Atlantis presentations
wont even be represented. people wont get good value, just a tickler to hang in
there with the myth of the Atlantic and Atlantis and at the same time bagging
everyone else's common theory! to make themselves look strong influential.
This sounds like the greatest scam
conference.
quote:
Besides I think that the EDITOR OF
this : HelioTopos-Conference" has omitted to mention that the Copyrights now
belong to him and not longer to the Participants who can buy the "
Conference-Book for 75 Euro's(= equall to Dollars.)
Who would want to give the power to
this guy and scamming our individual journey regardless of the whether its true
or not, so he can get rights and scam the information for his coffers. Forget
it, what a scammer of the highest degree and he did no work for the truth,
sounds like another Nodite who is only interested in locking it up the
information unless he gets a deal.
Cant stand those people! sounds like a true Atlantean all right! another fallen
scammer.
Scam conference!
I'd rather go to people in the
streets, the common man with normal language! The people doing it tough who
really deserve this knowledge that will uplift them and give them vision and
hope of the future destiny! rather than all this money scamming crap, the
smooth, easy, slack life living of peoples sacrifices! regardless be it true or
not.
You can stick your conference if a
lazy scammer is in the background! capitalizing on the get together where you
have to pay for it and he takes the benefit.
Forget it!!!!!!! The real and prime Atlantis' presentations will never see the
light in that guys scam conference. The prime Atlantis' presentations will fill
the earth with truth and knowledge of everything!!!!!!! and that means
everything!! and the scammer Nodites will be left to feed on their own crap!
The people will escape the Nodite with TRUTH!
Sevens
posted
02-03-2008 02:34 AM
Thats why you never hear from
him/them, they have no idea, you can see that. Many of them used to be on this
forum and just vanished, they all did over the years.
If they found Atlantis you would definitely hear much more from them.
By the way when the book is published I'm sure it will be "Where is the
Money" and that will be the interesting part as always usual in the business
of man.
But then it will be oh sorry no sales.
How could you know the truth is being told to you?? Like an octopus taking the
living life out of you through its tentacles locking you up and your work. Its
all for him and never for you "Take everything and leave nothing behind"
the Nodite will on your work. Lock up the rights so I have control.
Insidious! and what a way to do it,
through the scam of a nice talkfest conference, a little get together where it
will be fun but meanwhile, III take you work for My purpose.!
If there was a TV show that
demonstrates the clear difference of the Attitude of the Adamic gene propensity
as opposed to the Nodite gene propensity it would be Beastmaster! I think its a
close representation of those times.
Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:10 am
Its all gone gone askew, the religion of Islam is
being destroyed by these people and their fruits of flat out murder will never
reap any reward in any place.
The Jiahdist is severely maladjusted by the Last rebel doctrine. If I go down
you go down with me.
Using down syndrome women, that would have to be the lowest of the lowest!
I dont think religion could get any lower than that.
I am truly baffled, how can a man just even think to do that??????
How is that even humanly possible and how do
they justify such evil??
You have to be severely brainwashed with no
sense of reality and would have to be literally insane.
One thing I know in Enoch is that the victims,
unknowingly being murdered will be blessed greatly and will be looked after
but the perpetrators will never see the light of Paradise. However, in the
case of down syndrome women, if they had no idea what was going on I cant see
how they would loose there estate personally. The perpetrators will be totally
responsible for there actions and will be dealt with personally by the Ancient
of Days, when the time comes and dealt very severely, they wont survive that I
know for sure!
They are all finished even as I speak!
No one has to be judge to work that one out! Just normal!
I cant understand either Brother Matt, its beyond my logic, I cant understand
why these do this and how they justify there actions in murdering their own
Islamic brothers.
Sevens
posted
02-02-2008 07:34 PM
I dont think I will attend the
conference as I cant but I do believe that my thoughts will be rejected anyway,
when all the evidence is submitted.
To me it would be futile speaking from my perspective even though it would
present more hard evidence than what anyone can offer from books and data as a
oneness. I personally think no one will come close to my presentation ever. I
reckon I have everything! even in this early stage.
The Atlantis, Sons of God who built the place know that it would be futile to
present this information at this stage because of all the intellectualism but no
spirit nor soul nor demonstration in the faith. The Atlantis followers will not
believe or have faith in the final presentation. Faith ahahahahahahah! What a
joke as I see.
Aaahh just joking, but I know what I say makes up a GROUSE presentation,
incomparable to those stuffy old men with nothing to say, just going in circles
repeating there usual rhetoric of BOREDOM year after year with no result.
No one can demonstrate Atlantis with solid stuff! III create my own Atlantis
forum. ahahaahh just joking their to, I couldn't be bothered and no one can be
bothered even if it was the truth! Connecting the two Atlantis' as a oneness.
Connecting the two Atlantis' as a oneness and not as a dead presentation but as
something that is alive and has life! to seeks the future destiny of mankind and
kick goals and ASS. ahahahah
Something that fires up and lays a path for man, a presentation that has life
and energy and invigorates man and inspires his soul to seek the and great
things in life through the discoveries of both the land of the GODS, the Sons of
God. Right on man! The Atlantis Gods
Not some Blah Blah where we have nothing hard and over here we have this but we
have no evidence and maybe it could mean this but it could mean that, we think
this is but that could be the case. Blah going no where. Like with many
documentaries these days most of them reaching dead ends. I have the pres of no
dead ends.
Also, before people come to the presentation of the planet they would have to
read some stuff in the beforehand of coming to the presentation. So they are
familiar with the gist and then we go through the evidence. People would have
educate themselves beforehand and then we will prove the path in the displaying
of evidence to prove each point.
That would be the way I would do it, in my pres, people would know the base
knowledge, then we sift together and go through the points on every level
spiritual and physical, and make the completeness.
Everyone has to do a little work and read and study, Like I had to in the
formulation of the pres. Its not going to be some sit back and let me entertain
you, if you want truth you have to work for the pearls as gain without price is
worthless.
Its not smooth and easy like Cable TV where everyone gets fat where the profit
makers are entertaining you with anything they like. No, we all work to find the
truth then when we realize it individually, where it has real value because it
was from the sweat of your brow and it would be appreciated and be with you.
Sevens
Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:16 pm
I thought this was a happening scripture
Quote:
John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come,
whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also
shall bear witness, because ye have been
with me from the beginning.
Personally, I think everything will come from the beginning, the beginning of
all times. Maybe in the discovery of the origins and with a message, I don't
know but it would make sense to me. Actually, it really makes sense to me, its
like a complete revision and overhaul and I think that is the purpose of the
Father. Maybe Christianity has to go through an overhaul of everything and has
to really look and review everything. I know I have been at the beginning in
the journey of the ancient places, that I know, right from the absolute
beginning and I know the message will come from the beginning of all things
that pertain to this planet.
Anyway I hope the new guy whoever he is comes soon and really get people of
there backsides with a serve of truth! especially the ones living of the backs
of others in there cushy lifestyle using doctrine and fear as a weapon against
man.
This planet really needs help NOW! Anyway out of this small outpost of the
Father in the discovery of all things I hope I can help man get out of the
crap he is in. Even though I'm a little different and read different things,
Transcribing is the best and only thing I can do. I hope there is value for
most and especially for Christianity on the whole!
Personally, what Prophet Daniel said is all to obvious and Christianity
because of that is in a hole and has very little power in some ways. Whoever
does this really needs a kick in the backside and to get real about the things
and realize the damage they are doing. But they will fall by the wayside as
the Holy Spirit and the angels will find it difficult to work with these
people in the true sense because there motives are all screwed up.
Anyway I believe it will come from the beginning of where the end will come
from.
The again I have been doing this for a while and I don't think I can proceed
much further unless there was some miracle. I ask the Father what next and
where is the next level in the furtherance of this journey?? How much more can
I write about without getting in a dizzy about things and completely
neglecting myself and how long can I survive doing this?? Especially when no
one gives a rats for this?? I suppose its just pure faith and inspiration that
I write all this stuff but how long will this persist for??
sevens
Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:55 pm
Then again I say why wait for the last guy.
Why dont we all band together and go through everything and as a unit go out
there and kick real great goals for the Lord and for our fellow brother who is
in need of help.
Look if in time we somehow go out to the Persian Gulf and verify everything
and the expedition is a complete success on every level where it proves itself
undoubtedly in every respect in accordance to what has been written in the
beforehand, why don't we operate on that basis. I know there is a new book
involved but if people feel uncomfortable the bible can be used as many
scriptures pertain to the beginning of all things.
If this was proven I sincerely believe this will lift Christianity to great
heights with expanded truth and that will flatten all these soothsayers in
Christianity as they will be faced with the ultimate truth through the
demonstration and will be convicted by the truth!
A demonstration has to occur that will make people think about there actions.
It could be that this journey to the ancient places is a real setup by
Paradise and Jesus to demonstrate the truth and mark a real turning point for
everyone on the planet.
As a safeguard, I will leave my name out of it and use Sevens and I wont show
my face on any camera, I will be the guy in the background and that I prefer
to be, rather than this worldwide look at me crap! where all the problems
begin from the insufficient ego of man. However, If I am forced to show I will
have to that but III use sevens if I can. ahahahajhahah What a laugh trying to
avoid the spotlight where everyone desires it more than anything.
The only think I would want is the ability to do more and go out their and
find more places and do more in the work of the Father and for our great
friend Jesus and not be flat broke and stuck just writing away unable to do
much!. Our mate! (friend) Jesus forever! He is all our friend.
Honestly we have to do something we cant sit around here and talk about it all
day long till the cows come home.
Like what Prophet Daniel is doing with his radio show, I think that is so cool
and could be a real effective tool for the demonstration.
I believe that Christianity is the only body that can perform this huge feat.
The UB cant and wont do it only Christianity can do this great and glorious
thing. Traditional Christianity will do nothing for nobody except protect
themselves against truth but this crew can right here, right now can!
Sevens
posted
02-04-2008 02:13 AM
Hi Brig
I don't agree with you and I think the rendition has been taken out of context.
I think that Noah sis exist and lived in Aram he was a wine maker and was
respected. He was a clever man and each year he noticed that the water levels
during flood season where rising greatly over time and warned many people about
the dilemma. In light of his concern he built a house or a small ark into a
house boat and placed his family inside the ark and made space available for all
his animals.
In all this he warned people to do the same but he was rejected in the next
season it finally came, the great deluge and in deluge before his Ark/house was
swept away he gathered all the animals and brought them into the ark until fully
loaded and waited for the house to float away. The water rose and then finally
the Ark was floating and set sail down stream of the main river and ended up in
the great sea of the Persian Gulf somewhere. Being in the Persian Gulf within a
great sea he sent out pigeons or doves and eventually they brought back signs of
life as in branches. Unable to propel himself to a near by coast, he had to rely
on the winds to blow him to a coastline and eventually he saw landfall and
beached the ark alighted the animals and founded a new home or he return back to
his home when the floods subsided. If he did returned he would of found that
everyone and everything was swept away.
Aram was also gone except for some foundations and never to rebuilt again. He
also noticed continual floods since then but nothing like this flood which wiped
out 75% of the Mesopotamian population. The floods happened around 8000 years
ago and has been recorded in the annals of the Sumerian's.
The story in essence was recorded by the Sumerian's which was alot further back
to the actual time and would have more accuracy. The Noah's story was
embellished to a degree by the scribes in order to date back there linage and
had difficulty. So the story was expanded to decimate everything and everyone so
all earth begins again beginning with Noah and his sons.
That is essentially the truth of the matter. Noah's Ark did not originate from
the bible, The sources of the story comes from the Sumerian's and was recorded
in time kept by the Babylonians. The during captivity, the captives came across
Noah's story, the Psalms and the Book of Job also the first Isaiah and some
other books where written during captivity. The captives came back rebuilt the
temple and form ed the Old testament which included all the books and additional
ones. But there where lost ones to. The priests already in Jerusalem knew there
was some inconsistencies but probably had no power to object or change things as
the financing of the rebuilding of the temple came from Babylon.
Brig, I reckon this is the true story, the real reality in truth from the very
source and that has been embellished and should be brought into perspective.
How we can prove indirectly the story??
Lets go out there and verify Dalamatia City and make it happen. The contest of
the truth. You say that which is Ok and I say this and this how I will prove it.
If we can verify the existence of Dalamatia City as a real City in the images
with a degree in variation then we know we can rely on the rest of the book. If
we can prove that city and further prove 1stEden in a study on top of the
Acropolis Hill and connect the 3 co planar circles to both cities then we have a
match.
If all is verified and we bring up the Seven commands inscriptions then that
will be the great match and undeniable since we are given clues to the
Dalamatian City 24 character Alphabet being more like Aryan like in Iran. Having
that we could then work out the language of the first city.
Being hit by a tidal wave the stone slabs could be under the mud and could be
excavated.
The inscriptions should be carved on stone slabs and buried in the ground
somewhere. If all is proved then when we can reflect on Noah's story and revise
our thoughts on the story.
On the practical side we could conduct more core samples at different positions
in the Persian Gulf and backdate the samples abefore and beyond 8000 years ago
and work out the depth of the silt the size of the deluge and the length of the
season of the Flood times which could be in a period of a thousand years. The we
would have to prove the uplift of the Northern Mountains. If that could be
achieved you have another match directly proving the Urantia Book rendition of
the story as recorded by the recorder angels and as reflected in Sumerian texts.
The reason for the great Mesopotamian floods was due to uplift of the Northern
mountains where the snowfall increased as uplift gathered pace occurred due to
increased melt water in the valley below.
Thats the story on Noah. Quite reasonable!
Here is UB link I draw from. What I wrote in the above was by memory it could be
corrected in some places. No matter, I believe this version of the Noahs story.
I appreciate your UB texts. I found them very interesting and I learned quite a
bit. I never thought about that for a while and I found you thoughts quite
interesting.
But then when you said this.
quote:
12,500-10,500 years ago, there is evidence that
there was a world-wide flood, and the best evidence we have are fossil remains
of ocean creatures we find in mountains.
I agree with that fossils are found in
the mountains and those fossils could be remains of a very early age when those
mountains where under the seas, like in Switzerland. I think the earth goes back
much further 12,500-10,500 years ago.
However, in some parts I suppose there has been much uplift as the plates move
against each other where in some places you have sudden submergence.
I was wondering where could these fossils on mountains can be found and how old
they are and has some scientific research been conducted.
That's should be explored more.
Just reading further in your post.
Adam and Eve where physical beings like you and me. But they had an extra
compliment in there DNA that responded to the super fruit of the tree of life
that came from another realm and was materialized for the consumption of its
fruit so the Sons of God and Adam and Eve could have immortality. The same thing
with the Sons of God but they fell to. Anyway, They where physical beings and
where seen by everyone and was received and respected.
They where expected and they built a city for him that one quarter built but the
Acropolis Hill was adorned and the co planar circles where there with the tree f
life.
We have discovered 1stEden and its a physical place and it has been verified in
the Urantia Book. Now there is more to verify as Im seeing in the journey this
far.
I'm not watering down anything into some mystical fashion inferring it never
existed and will never be found because its reality existed on another realm
that had no relation to ours. I disagree with that totally. Eden is a fact, it
has design and symmetry and symbols in design of the environment relating to
there beliefs.
Its got everything, it was just sad that there where no funds to search the
Acropolis Hill. However, I thought it was a great feat. I think there is enough
collected now to go out their again where a connection can be found.
Solid Evidence and if it matches with Dalamatia City, then both cities are
connected through symbols that reflect Paradise, the creators realm.
That would be something else and so far I'm not disappointed.
Humans couldn't see the super material worlds but the Sons of God and Adam and
Eve could.
What a amazing time that would of been to meet with these super material beings
where you could see them no problem. But they could see and communicate with the
other super material beings.
Mind boggles really what other powers they had. I suppose we know that through
the bible and other witnesses.
Doesn't this fit the profile of Atlantis as the land of the Gods, supermen that
had abilities beyond the human range and where respected and taught civilisation
throughout the planet by invitation. A very cosmopolitan place, beautiful and
pure I'm sure.
But then the fall occurred, like in Atlantis and they degraded themselves and
lost access to the tree of life, like in Plato they degraded themselves and then
the the Gods became mean and selfish which reflects the Plato rendition as well
and they ruled vast places which also reflects the Nodite race and has its
signature. Plato's reflection of the City matches Dilmun that is the last Nodite
reflection back to those illustrious times.
The city Dilmun and the Babel I believe is the ultimate source of the Legend.
The design features of Babel in Dilmun match in a circular commonality. There
are also canals running from the sea to the city for commerce and trade.
Its a match.
Anyway, that's what I think.
Hey you want go out there and there is two camps you can join Atheist camp or
the faith believers??
I think it could be a grand project a contest of thought and what we read??
Brought to you by Sevens and the super universe of truth.
I think this will be great.
quote:
And, here, we now see that they were
definitely able to be in either world
The Sons of God and Adam for there
time here could only be in the Material World and participate but they had extra
abilities from what I can read in the Urantia Book.
I think your assuming to much to suit your theory.
quote:
Given these interesting points, we
can assume that Eden was a non-corporeal place, and so were Adam and Eve, and
they were cast "out" of the Garden, or translation, they were made corporeal
into the seen world, and cast out of that which was unseen.
In the above seems be a watering down
of what can clearly be understood to suit your own theory outside the words
given.
1stEden and Dalamatia City did exist, the 2 Atlantis' and one has been
discovered in the physical and the Second one will be verified upon these words.
Lets go out there and prove it one way or the other, thats my challenge to
EVERYONE that reads this. Make this a contest of truth in the verification of
the great and first city in the Persian Gulf.. Prove that Im wrong!!
Sevens
posted
02-04-2008 03:56 AM
Flood Stories and myth and Legends
passed down the ages of great events in our history and according to each race
have an ending due some local huge event but in scientific terms and through the
Urantia Book and other things I will prove otherwise. I think many things are
taken out of proportion in all cultures over time for whatever reason. The
evidence of the two cities does prove
about Garbles legends, the urantia Book.
quote:
The arrival of the Prince's staff
created a profound impression. While it required almost a thousand years for
the news to spread abroad, those tribes near the Mesopotamian headquarters
were tremendously influenced by the teachings and conduct of the one hundred
new sojourners on Urantia. And much of your subsequent mythology grew out
of the garbled legends of these early
and
quote:
line 110: Shame on those false
religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and
distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons
doomed to become The prophet who said, "He will be kept in perfect peace
whose mind is stayed on God," was not a mere intellectual believer in
authoritative theology.
This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking
about God.
and
quote:
line 114: Ancient magic was the
cocoon of modern science, indispensable in its time but now no longer useful.
And so the phantasms of ignorant superstition agitated the primitive minds of
men until the concepts of science could be born. Today, Urantia is in the
twilight zone of this intellectual evolution. One half the world is
grasping eagerly for the light of truth and the facts of scientific discovery,
while the other half languishes in the arms of ancient superstition and but
thinly disguised magic.
and think the above is the state of
Play currently.
Smiley and Brig get real!! Its time to branch out and explore more! and you to
Doc ahahahah
one more, an invitation for you guys
from my heavenly boss and the Universe!
quote:
line 111: I admonish you to give up
the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of
Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and
spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders
of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you
sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for
yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?
Sevens
posted
02-04-2008 12:55 PM
What I meant was his own animals for survival for
the voyage wherever it would lead him.
Not all the animals of the world. I dont believe that and I think that in the
realm fantasy.
quote:
He gathered ALL the world's animals? How? The
world had animals from the beginning, and not all were native to his area.
His own animals
quote:
Just in case you don't understand me, I believe
that the Earth is billions of years old. I believe that it took time to make
it. I also believe in Pangea - far older than Atlantis or anything else. I
believe in Plate Tectonics more than just about anything else for the answer
to most questions.
No problem then you could understand there has
been many floods throughout the eons of time throughout each race and recorded.
Noahs story is just one of them.
In 12500 perhaps there was a major flood somewhere but a local event that
decimated the population in the environment from the flood occurs. Like in the
Plato story and what has that got to do with Atlantis. Noah has nothing to do
with Atlantis, your making that up and putting this Noah and Atlantis spin on
it.
Much of the progeny of the Egyptians came from 2nd Dilmun and brought their
culture with them including the Plato story.
quote:
By the time Babel came around, the Earth had
repopulated in abundance. But, Babel is mentioned for one reason - in that it
lets us know 2 things for absolute sure
Repopulated nothing, The first attempt if Babel
was 150,000 years ago and because of division amongst the tribes there was a
was, the priest fled back to there homes to the South which implies 1stDilmun,
whilst the other two warring faction fought it out. And that proved many
casualties of the Nodite race.
Thats the story of Babel/2nd Dilmun.
The bible is fragment that points to that time but the reality was slightly
different. There was a second attempt at around 12,500 years from my reckoning
and a 3 rd attempt in Mesopotamia at around 4000years ago. Its a perpetual myth.
quote:
Adam and Eve were God's caretakers until they
disobeyed. He took their right to see the non-corporeal world away from them,
and they never were able to see it again. It's not a stretch of imagination,
but the Urantia book confirms that there are definitely 2 worlds - one seen;
one unseen, just as the Bible says
Without access to the tree of life that extra
ability to see in the super material world diminished over time. But he was
still on the planet and at that time in the 2nd Garden of Eden.
Thats all it is and the ruins of the 1stGarden lays there of Cyprus. Its just
there if you fail to see.
Sevens
posted
02-04-2008 01:25 PM
quote:
Doc, Plato described different and distinct
floods - each within the history of the world. No one said he did not.
However, he made the definite distinction between them and the flood of
Atlantis, and the Bible definitely describes the same flood and gives the same
type of background. People are confused by the idea that Plato was only
discussing one flood, but he was not.
I think the above statement is also wrong and off
the planet.
There are many floods recorded in the Bible and outside. For example the
destruction of first Eden is mentioned in the Ezekiel and Enoch. There is no
mention of Noah. Except for 1stEden of the Coast of Lebanon. The same record is
also recorded in my view in the Egyptian Book of the Dead which gives you the
location but in some description it describes Dalamatia.
Babel/Dilmun is submerged I believe it submerged due to rising sea levels and
rising floods tides. Isaiah describes it as water bursting forth a high wall,
Like a dam, a rupture of a protective wall. This could describes the break in
the Gibraltar Dam. A duality. The you have Noahs story which is from
Mesopotamia.
In revelation in my mind, its described the actual discovery and the same can be
said in Job.
When you read the above the link, just know that this was written in early 2004
and since then the other places have been found so it can apply to them as well.
In some fragments it directly points to the 1stEden of the coast of Lebanon.
Undoubtedly, proven in the Bible and in Enoch.
The first Eden flood is separate to the Noah's
flood. 1stEden the second Atlantis and its destruction is mentioned very well.
The destruction of 2nd Dilmun as recorded by Plato is in distant reflection
about the destruction of Dalamatia City a previous city before the Dilmuns was
built, the destruction of the first Atlantis in the Persian Gulf.
The garden was long gone before Babel/2nd Dilmun
and Noah's experience with his floods in 8000 years ago. It was probably the
main demise of 1stSusa which dates back to this time and as seen in the
information given relating to sea levels.
The off course you the Urantia Book
Sevens
posted
02-04-2008 01:43 PM
NOAH FLOOD SEASON
WHEN?
Wireless III have to go back and see
what I said in previous posts but in the meanwhile I was thinking
that the ruins of 1st Susa could be the hard evidence of Noah's story!!!! By my
calculations it was destroyed by floods at the time around of Noah flood.
I think that would make a clear match if it could be proved that 1stSusa was
destroyed by floods through the silt and core samples.
Wireless, I just wanted to get your quotes in perspective to what I was saying.
I think that would make a clear match if it could be proved that 1stSusa was
destroyed by floods through the silt and core samples.
Wireless, I just wanted to get your quotes in perspective to what I was saying.
quote:
In 12500 perhaps there was a major
flood somewhere but a local event that decimated the population in the
environment from the flood occurs. Like in the Plato story and what has that
got to do with Atlantis. Noah has nothing to do with Atlantis, your making
that up and putting this Noah and Atlantis spin on it.
I could of written it better but I
feel that Noah's events are separate situation to that of the destruction of the
2 Atlantis'
The proof of 1stSusa could very well prove this.
I can see how it could be matched.
In this link it mentions that 1stSusa
was destroyed during the flood season, it could be pointing us to Noah's flood
season.
I think this is perfect and how all these cities can be used to prove
everything.!!!
Hooray!
You can see by proxy of 2nd Susa how
the Babel culture was perpetuated even up to the destruction 1stSusa going back
to the design of Babel/2ndDilmun and then on back to Dalamatia City in design
through the triangles and the VEES. And note the black and white division
of the triangle chevron in the above link. 10 subdivisions that make up a
triangle. Like in the design of the triangle city of Dalamatia City.
Another match.
The Vees and its subdivision found on
the funerary vase is the land of the Gods where they where going to after death
and it looked to Dalamatia City in the final summary.
Its all there and its in the bag!
The Vees and its subdivision found on the funerary vase is the land of the Gods
where they where going to after death and it looked to Dalamatia City in the
final summary.
Note the circle or semicircle in the triangle Chevron, the same we see in 2nd
Dilmun. The same symbolism in design.
Its amazing how this chevron can be seen on the plug i the shaft of the great
pyramid and can also be seen on the top of Jesus family tomb. Not to mention the
Vees within the tomb which can also be seen on Mars near the face surrounding a
clear circle.
Just amazing it could be it was all confirmed and verified.
Sevens
posted
02-04-2008 02:18 PM
The floods I'm describing are distinct
and actual events where the floods where influenced by the changing planet. I
suppose it could be seen as part of the cycle of change. Whereas with man his
experience seems to be very cyclical and in parallel with the planet and his
history of destruction of his real estate at the time.
Sevens
posted
02-05-2008 02:23 AM
You know Brig, I'm thinking it could
an animal of some sort but too quiet for our hearing and maybe the Dog sensed
it. It could of been something on the roof. However the clocks pheonomena is
interesting, since you have many clocks in the house I would expect they would
be in time. Over periods of time they man reflect different times. But three
clocks to be out overnight is interesting. Like 3 different time periods.
Makes you wonder ...3 different time periods all in one night!! On that day or
the day before did you have any converse regarding time or time periods.....Just
wondering! Its like discovering the Cities of 3 time periods in one night.
By the way, about that first post don't worry about that, I was over board.
Carried away.
Anyway was there any debate that we may have had or with another that was over
time??
Hey it could be UB space ship ahahahahahah! heading in your direction.
Sevens
posted
02-05-2008 02:58 AM
atalante
Critias the Younger
I was really intrigued with the last name of Critias, the younger, I didn't know
he was a younger, in my research that speak of Javan or Van in the distant.
unreal
Sevens
Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:48 pm
Spot on,
I agree totally to your post
Its the sense of brotherhood and love for one another in unconditional love
that really reflects Jesus love for his fellow man. I suppose we experience
that as you reflected, I reckon its great and is something that has sure
foundations.
I suppose its not the idea so much but the sense of love for one another and
understanding our fellow brother as dialogue is the key and sharing ourselves
and experience to the betterment of man through our experience in the Lord
Jesus, King Jesus yea!.
I enjoyed that post and I felt blessed
thanks
sevens
posted
02-05-2008 12:54 PM
hahahahahahahaha MARS! who would do
that? ahahahahah
No fair dinkum! What does the Younger mean? The younger off, or is it some
surname or is that some tradition of a name of the next of Kin?
I know the Father of Richard the Lion Heart was called Henri the Younger! I
suppose it could mean the younger of as in next of Kin. Didn't Richard come from
Aquataine or Navaronne near where Castillian originated?
I know the Father of Richard the Lion Heart was called Henri the Younger! I
suppose it could mean the younger of as in next of Kin. Didn't Richard1st come
from Aquataine or Navaronne near where Castillian originated?
Why I'm interested in this is because I had a dream sometime ago that led me to
this area in Southern France in the Navaronne/Aquataine area, I was in a
circular ring of mountains and I did think about Atlantis at the time then I was
walking into this small village, there where old Olive trees that I saw. Anyway
after the dream I researched and this also led me to the origin location of the
holy grail myth that seemed to have connections to the Jamshid myth which I
believe goes back to, ultimately Van. Its interesting that through this linage
the history went to Britain and is encapsulated in its myths, history and
royalty in its early origins. I wonder if Richard is a significant name? I was
intrigued that Richard1st had connections with Cyprus. An that's where 1stEden
lays Atlantis of the Med, the great mystery in Cyprus and its interesting that
Robert Sarmast is of Persian decent and the connections with Jamshids cup and
the Holy Grail myth connection of cross cultures of blood origins perhaps
connected with a great discovery of a mystery, in the unraveling of it. I can
see unity in this in the 2 Atlantis of 2 seas. 2 myths connected in the
discoveries of the cities of the Sons of God and Adam and Eve, the city of the
truth.
The Younger word was very significant and did you know "young" in the Bible code
calculated more than 225,000 returns greater than any other word, unless it was
a mistake and mind you it was related to George Bush unless there was something
more significant?
I think the key here is the Younger. This dream opened up a completely new world
connected to this journey, it was a great journey of discovery, I witnessed!
I even have genes that come from there as I found out in the journey.
Thats why when I saw Critias, the younger I immediately beamed in on that! and
raptured it ahahahaha No really, I gravitated to it and felt another connection.
Did you know that St Francis of Assisi came from Navaronne and built a church
from nothing. Apparently he was real poor and built a church from bare bones.
Mars eh! how intriguing! ahahah even up to the System Capitals thats how far the
story goes even up to Paradise!
ahahahah! YEA!
Im chuckling to myself but "There is
something GOING ON Im telling you!! having a laugh to myself but appears
much more than coincidental. I suspect something!
sevens
posted
02-06-2008 01:20 PM
Thats OK Riven, Im only seeking the
thread of Solomon to Plato and finding out where Critias fits in.
Regarding Dilmun Atlantis, I think 2nd Dilmun is the last vestige of a very old
city back to those times. However, regarding its myths and legend, its a
reflection of Dalamatia City, the first place.
In truth Dalamatia City, is the Atlantis of the Persian Gulf.
An expedition and core samples would prove either way of what I think. There
looks to be some definite targets to go for.
Sevens
posted
02-07-2008 02:31 AM
posted
02-07-2008 02:31 AM
On the clocks misread was that the night the dog
was acting strange.
I wonder if its a case of missing time or something, being affect by some
electric field with no effect on the old fashion mechanical clock.
I wonder.
Brig what was the date of this and why would the clocks be out in different
directions in one night. I can understand a power outage but the clock would be
reading the same time.
In metaphor, its message is time.
I ask myself what would effect time in this way , thats if there is no
reasonable answer and WHO does effect time in what we know.
To me the theme is time and time periods. I wonder if there is a message in
this.
Hey Brig, ultimatonic spin speedup, speeding up time ahahahah.
Hey Brig, maybe the masters of time and space dropped in for a visit and left
their calling card of time displacement.
Actually I re read your post and I think your a clocks simply screwed up. You
got four clocks all going crazy.
Are they all reading time OK now?
Sevens
posted
02-07-2008 03:05 AM
Hate to spoil your fun Riven ahahaha
quote:
We are also very fortunate that I
found the broken "key" to Atlantis.
What was that "I" ahahahahahahahahahah
No you haven't, I have found Atlantis ahahahahahahahahahah.
Well at least one of the temples! and
I know how I can prove it to!! ahahahahahahahahaha! leaning back laughing all
the way!
sevens
posted
02-07-2008 01:42 PM
Hey I got a link to, its just
following a thread of thought early in this journey.
I thought the above links where great and only demonstrates that the story of
the land of the Gods, the Paradise on earth, migrated throughout all the world
with a migrating people of a great civilisation.
Looks like they spread there myth throughout the world.
quote:
This one differs in that they
describe an island in the middle of a lake. Now, if we remember, the Atlantis
Ocean was much, much lower than it is today, and indeed, if much of the
islands were facing South America, it would have seemed that the Atlantis
might have been a large lake to them.
Here is the lake (link below) and has
all the same features as the 2 Atlantis' in the Med and the Persian Gulf(by
proxy of 2nd Dilmun. The same island of Peninsula jutting WEST out of Eastern
Sea Board. The island had a temple with the tree of life in it and where the
Sevenfold gods (circles) surrounded it. The Sumerian myths did travel to
Inca land and there is hard evidence and the Urantia Book mentions it as well.
Diodorus' "Atlanteans" were without
doubt the survivors of the cataclysm and, finding themselves in North Africa,
evidently retained memories of being ruled by the gods, "whose source was the
ocean [i.e., the Atlantic]". It is more than interesting that Herodotus (450
B.C.) had already called these people "Atlanteans," and the ocean to the west
of them the "Atlantis Sea" nearly a hundred years before Plato. And it is also
curious that a people calling themselves "Atlanteans" happened to be living
precisely in the area that survivors of such a catastrophe should be expected!
Yes the City of the Gods did emanate
from the Sea and in Sea to the West depends on where you stand.
If I were in Lebanon, looking to the west I would see the peninsula of 1st Eden
jutting out to the West in a Western Sea (Sea of Atil)
http://dalamatiacity.com/eden/eden_jubilees.htm (early thoughts) with the
12 Gates of 1stEden before me.. I would then proceed through the gates of
1stEden along to the trails to the city.
If I were in 2nd Dilmun(by proxy of Dalamatia) Looking west I would see a
similar feature as in the land/City of 2ndDilmun on the isthmus jutting out to
the West, in a Western Ocean.
Dalamatia City was situated in a Western Ocean going West through the heads of
the Persian Gulf from the Indian Ocean.
All these cities where jutting West in a Western ocean.
All the myths of the first and second temple traveled throughout the world by
migration of these Sons from these places. In Southern America near Bolivia/Peru
Inca land was only a Sumerian perpetuation of the first lands of the Gods by way
of contact I estimate 13,000 years ago, this date has varied though in the
journey around when 2nd Dilmun was lost (Atlantis of the Persian Gulf, proxy of
Dalamatia City). This is why the myths have a strong commonality in many ways.
I mean to say
quote:
Herodotus explains, the name of
"Atlantic Ocean" originally applied to the Indian Ocean, rather than the body
of water now so named. So, it is on that side of the world, and not on
ours that we should expect to find Atlantis.
The basically your theory of the
Atlantic off Europe is all wrong, this proves it, if your relying on Herodotus.
So its the Indian Ocean we should be looking at and through the heads of the
Persian Gulf East of the Indian Ocean you find the land of the Gods, the first
places. According to Herodotus it is exactly to where I say it is.
Yes
quote:
And, no, the coincidence is NOT
different floods or time periods. The very nature and descriptions of the
stories are far too identical for it to be anything other than the SAME EVENT
and the SAME PLACE.
Yes, the Same Event and the Same Place
but in real truth about the 2 lost temples, the story of 2 temples that was lost
in a catastrophe. Two local events in different places recorded in the same
story, identical demise in many aspects.
Yes, that story of the destruction of the Land of the Gods did fall into
destruction on many levels and that story is recorded worldwide through the
local people as they where visited by the Sons of these Gods in various times
throughout history, these Andite Sons had a profound effect on the local people.
This story of the destruction of the land of the Gods has nothing to do with
Noah's story, the story of Noah is in a different time and place and is local to
Mesopotamia.
Thanks Smiley for the links and I must say what you found supports my thoughts
even more in the way that I see it.
I thought the above links where great and only demonstrates that the story of
the land of the Gods, the Paradise on earth, migrated throughout all the world
with a migrating people of a great civilisation.
Looks like they spread there myth throughout the world.
quote:
This one differs in that they
describe an island in the middle of a lake. Now, if we remember, the Atlantis
Ocean was much, much lower than it is today, and indeed, if much of the
islands were facing South America, it would have seemed that the Atlantis
might have been a large lake to them.
Here is the lake (link below) and has
all the same features as the 2 Atlantis' in the Med and the Persian Gulf (by
proxy of 2nd Dilmun. The same island of Peninsula jutting WEST out of Eastern
Sea Board. The island had a temple with the tree of life in it and where the
Sevenfold gods (circles) surrounded it. The Sumerian myths did travel to
Inca land and there is hard evidence and the Urantia Book mentions it as well.
http://dalamatiacity.com/inca.htm
I would say this was around when the sea levels where much lower and the island
hopping land bridge which extended from Japan through to the pacific ended in
Peru. The early Andites passed over this bridge and admixed with the Inca
including the Andite culture with all its myths!!
quote:
Diordorus' "Atlanteans" were without
doubt the survivors of the cataclysm and, finding themselves in North Africa,
evidently retained memories of being ruled by the gods, "whose source was the
ocean [i.e., the Atlantic]". It is more than interesting that Herodotus (450
B.C.) had already called these people "Atlanteans," and the ocean to the west
of them the "Atlantis Sea" nearly a hundred years before Plato. And it is also
curious that a people calling themselves "Atlanteans" happened to be living
precisely in the area that survivors of such a catastrophe should be expected!
Yes the City of the Gods did emanate
from the Sea and in Sea to the West depends on where you stand.
If I were in Lebanon, looking to the west I would see the peninsula of 1st Eden
jutting out to the West in a Western Sea (Sea of Atil)
http://dalamatiacity.com/eden/eden_jubilees.htm (early thoughts) with the
12 Gates of 1stEden before me.. I would then proceed through the gates of
1stEden along to the trails to the city.
If I were in 2nd Dilmun (by proxy of Dalamatia) Looking west I would see a
similar feature as in the land/City of 2ndDilmun on the isthmus jutting out to
the West, in a Western Ocean.
Dalamatia City was situated in a Western Ocean going West through the heads of
the Persian Gulf from the Indian Ocean.
All these cities where jutting West in a Western ocean.
All the myths of the first and second temple traveled throughout the world by
migration of these Sons from these places. In Southern America near Bolivia/Peru
Inca land was only a Sumerian perpetuation of the first lands of the Gods by way
of contact I estimate 13,000 years ago, this date has varied though in the
journey around when 2nd Dilmun was lost (Atlantis of the Persian Gulf, proxy of
Dalamatia City). This is why the myths have a strong commonality in many ways.
I mean to say
quote:
Herodotus explains, the name of
"Atlantic Ocean" originally applied to the Indian Ocean, rather than the body
of water now so named. So, it is on that side of the world, and not on
ours that we should expect to find Atlantis.
The basically your theory of the
Atlantic off Europe is all wrong, this proves it, if your relying on Herodotus.
So its the Indian Ocean we should be looking at and through the heads of the
Persian Gulf East of the Indian Ocean you find the land of the Gods, the first
places. According to Herodotus it is exactly to where I say it is.
Yes
quote:
And, no, the coincidence is NOT
different floods or time periods. The very nature and descriptions of the
stories are far too identical for it to be anything other than the SAME EVENT
and the SAME PLACE.
Yes, the Same Event and the Same Place
but in real truth about the 2 lost temples, the story of 2 temples that was lost
in a catastrophe. Two local events in different places recorded in the same
story, identical demise in many aspects.
Yes, that story of the destruction of the Land of the Gods did fall into
destruction on many levels and that story is recorded worldwide through the
local people as they where visited by the Sons of these Gods in various times
throughout history, these Andite Sons had a profound effect on the local people.
This story of the destruction of the land of the Gods has nothing to do with
Noah's story, the story of Noah is in a different time and place and is local to
Mesopotamia.
Thanks Smiley for the links and I must say what you found supports my thoughts
even more in the way that I see it.
Even the Sevenfold is embraced
and respected in Greek Mythology and has all do to with the Gods of old and of
today!
No
quote:
This one differs in that they
describe an island in the middle of a lake. Now, if we remember, the Atlantis
Ocean was much, much lower than it is today, and indeed, if much of the
islands were facing South America, it would have seemed that the Atlantis
might have been a large lake to them.
This would of meant a sea level drop
of only 120m in the last 500,000 years 360ft. Good enough for island hopping to
a destination.
Sevens
Habakkuk 3:13 Thou wentest forth
for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed;
thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the
foundation unto the neck. Selah.
Here are some words by people against
the truth and its demonstrates how Enki and all the loyal Gods to truth have the
victory even over the Abysses where their planetary physical home existed. The
Seven powers as in the Sevenfold are part of the victory and its associates the
Sevenfold with the heroes of the past including Enki and Marduk which is
perpetuation of Adam.
quote:
The following is the Text of URILIA, the Book of the Worm. It contains the
formulae by which the wreakers of havoc perform their Rites. These are the
prayers of the ensnarers, the liers-in-wait, the blind fiends of Chaos, the
most ancient evil.
These incantations are said by the hidden priests and creatures of these
powers, defeated by the Elders and the Seven Powers, led by MARDUK,
supported by ENKI and the whole Host of IGIGI; defeaters of the Old Serpent,
the Ancient Worm, TIAMAT, the ABYSS, also called KUTULU the
Corpse-ENKI, yet who lies not dead, but dreaming; he whom secret priests,
initiated into the Black Rites, whose names are written forever in the Book of
Chaos, can summon if they but know how.
The Abyss, the underworld, a
reflection of the submerged land and cities of the Gods, the underworld, the
Igiggi I think?
quote:
The UB PAPER 37 - PERSONALITIES OF
THE LOCAL UNIVERSE, Oct 19 2000
* line 77: Two senior archangels are always assigned as the personal aids
of a Paradise Avonal on all planetary missions, whether involving
judicial actions, magisterial missions, or bestowal incarnations. When
this Paradise Son has finished the judgment of a realm and the dead are
called to record (the so-called resurrection), it is literally true that the
seraphic guardians of the slumbering personalities respond to "the voice of
the archangel." The roll call of a dispensation termination is promulgated by
an attendant archangel. This is the archangel of the resurrection, sometimes
referred to as the "archangel of Michael."
Now see what Michael, Enoch and the
Lord had to discuss about the valley and judgement!
Urantia belongs to a local universe
whose sovereign is the God-man of Nebadon, Jesus of Nazareth and Michael of
Salvington. And all of Michael's plans for this local universe were fully
approved by the Paradise Trinity before he ever embarked upon the supreme
adventure of space.
What can I say further about the
Michaels.
This from the UB!
quote:
Some believe that Machiventa will
not come to take personal direction of Urantian affairs until the end of the
current dispensation. Others hold that the vicegerent Prince may not come, as
such, until Michael sometime returns to Urantia as he promised when still
in the flesh. Still others, including this narrator, look for
Melchizedek's appearance any day or hour
and Michael from the Book of Burach
regarding the end times.
Incredible! looking out for Michael and its numerous messages contained in all
the books.
And here is an except of Michael in the Ub but is in a study involving the Pearl
and its association with the ancient laces of our origins, the 2 Atlantis'
This hails from the Eastern Christian branch run by the 70 disciples of which
Abner was there leader, in Philadelphia.
And here is a direct association of Michael with Jesus our friend! and an
unusual spiritual association which does include the copying of Plato story and
of the rebuilding of the temple.
quote:
line 111: About six hundred years
before the arrival of Michael, it seemed to Melchizedek, long since departed
from the flesh, that the purity of his teaching on earth was being unduly
jeopardized by general absorption into the older Urantia beliefs. It appeared
for a time that his mission as a forerunner of Michael might be in
danger of failing. And in the sixth century before Christ, through an
unusual co-ordination of spiritual agencies, not all of which are
understood even by the planetary supervisors, Urantia witnessed a most
unusual presentation of manifold religious truth . Through the agency of
several human teachers the Salem gospel was restated and revitalized, and as
it was then presented, much has persisted to the times of this writing.
This proves that all the books relating to the last and final mystery still
exist today and are being used in the greatest completion ever even since 600BC
to the end times today!
Even Michael in the End times in Revelation who slays the Dragon which is
Lucifer
I wonder if these names point to the two witnesses.
quote:
Thus Semha
and Denha reigned together,-the King on earth and the Son on
high-blessed be His power!
quote:
Semha and Denha
Boy those two names look awfully
compelling... Very compelling!! Samha.. Sarm and Denha ...Den
mmmm interesting!
Particularly in relation to the journey and discovery of the ancient cities of
the origins of Mankind! more on Semha and Denha
Gee look at this from the Pearl
Fifteen, it could be about the past as in type for the future as in NOW in
relation to the ancient places and the discovery of them.
quote:
1. In the time of the King whom they
called by the name Semha 2 -our Lord was manifested among the Hebrews.-
Thus Semha and Denha reigned together ,-the King on earth and the Son on
high-blessed be His power!
(The Ones)
2. In the days of the King who wrote down men in the taxing,- our Saviour
came down and wrote down men in the Book of Life; He wrote and was written;-on
high He wrote us, on earth He was written; glory to His Name!
(The record of the journey of the discovery of both places of history!)
3. His Birth was in the days of the King whose name was Semha .-Symbol and
truth met one another;-King and King, Semha and Denha.-That kingdom bore His
Cross; blessed be He Who took it up!
(Thats right in the good ole days of Discovery of Atlantis in that journey my
journey began, praise the Lord!) My journey that bore out of 1stEden is a
journey of total TRUTH and SYMBOL, my journey is the journey of truth and
symbol throughout all the places of the Gods and the connecting symbols of the
truth of the places.)
4. Thirty years abode He on earth in poverty.-Voices of praise in all
measures,-let us weave my brethren for our Lord's years;- thirty crowns for
thirty years; Blessed be His number!
(30 years in poverty all right, I can testify to that, never finding what I
love most, always searching. However, there is 30 years of crowns and the
crowns are related to the ancient places as I have said many times, these are
the crowns. Praises from heaven in all measures...praise the Lord! yea!)
there is much more even without
reading the rest.
I am convinced of all things, its is written! Everything! See what a search for
Michael does, it leads to the truth in more ways than one!
and thirty crowns for thirty years;
Blessed be His number! Blessed be his number and I wonder if that is
relating to the good ole Sevens within the encampment of the Discovery of
Atlantis crew where the Sevens was born, from its journey to 1stEden to the
first city Dalamatia City and all the other associated cities. Glory be!
The rest of the 15th Pearl seems to be a rendition separated in the time spam of
30 years. I can relate to much of it and how it embraces this journey!
I believe in Metaphor that this is the
surname of the discoverer of 1stEden Robert Sarm ast , the Second
Atlantis in the timeline and The first name of the second discoverer Sevens
(me or Denha, the first 3 letters of my name.) of the First City,
Dalamatia City and the other associated cities. That's the two who have the
crowns as far as Paradise is concerned. These, I'm sure are the witnesses of
Paradise! concerning the end of an age! or could it be the Branch, Jesus
and the man who write the about the trees of Eden? the human counterpart?
I reckon that these are the names as seen in the beforehand by St Ephraim 300AD.
That feels utterly right to me and when it confirmed by this.
Symbol and truth met one another;-King and King, Two equals in the
journey, the discovers and the 2 kings with the crowns of truth that relate to
symbol and truth! Utterly confirmed!
All I have to say about this is RIGHT ON!!!!! YEAH, YEA! jumping for joy!
ahahahahahahahahahahahah! That's is exactly the scenario, no doubt about it,
right on, bang on the target! That's is exactly the truth of all the places and
the journey is TRUTH AND SYMBOL coming together on an almighty scale! And
one discoverers name, has a Number, a number alright and the number is the name
of the guy which is Sevens YES! RIGHT ON, YEA! Jumping jumpin.
Unbelievable but its a fact! The One Atlantis bore out of the other Atlantis.
The two Atlantis'
ahahahahahahahahah! Im really laughing! I am one of the Kings of Atlantis
ahahahahahah! That's so funny! That is my title Sevens, The King of
Altantis the new country, the Big country! aahahahahahahah! And Robert
Sarmast is the other King of Atlantis ahahahahahah!
But Semha and Denha King and King did work for the crowns for all
those years! The shared Crowns! We are the Kings of the Atlantis' and Jesus,
Michael is our master!
And all the ancient places are part of
the Sevenfold mission for on this planet who are representative of the
Ancient of Days, the masters of time/space from the Eternal Paradise realm.
Sevens yea!
posted
02-07-2008 11:09 PM
Persia??
Near the First Atlantis and the associated cities submerged and in Persia??
I believe this is the location of the
the first evacuation of Van after the Fall of Dalamatia City. This is the place
where the tree of life was kept temporarily in the mountains North East of Lake
Dal or even about the shores of lake Dal, The first headquarters of Van.
Here is an excellent Video of the location in Srinagar, North Western India
where Van evacuated soon after the demise of Dalamatia City.
Van and the loyal ones escaped to the end of the world and this area for time
memorial is related to the place of the Gods and the tree of life was present
here for a time before settling in the Iranian Headquarters of the Van
civilisation.
The Legend
Yatra Dates for 2007 - 30.06.2007 to 28.08.2007
There is famous Rigvedic Verse that says "Ekam Sat " that is "There is one
Being ,the sages call Him by many names." The God (Parmeshwar) has three
deities who carry on the world .This is Known as Holy Trinity. Brahma- the
creator, Vishnu - the perpetuator of life and Shiva (Mahesh ) -the purifier
and perpetuator of good and destroyer of evil. Rig Veda refer Shiva as Rudra
as in its following verse . "We Worship Tryambaka (Rudra) , Who spread
Fragrance and Increases Nourishment , May He release me ,like the cucumber
from its stem , From Mortal Life , But not From Immorality . "(Rig Veda
Mandal VII Sukta 59 and Mantra 12)
The Yajurveda describes Shiva as ascetic warrior Whose robe is of Deer Skin
and He carries Trishul .
According to the verse Satyam, Shivam ,Sundaram ,the life is described
as having three facets Truth (Satyam), Good (Shivam) and the
Beautiful (Sundaram).
Shiva is a living God. The most Sacred and ancient books of India, the
Rig Veda narrates His presence in the hymns. Vedic myths, rituals and even
astronomy testifies to His existence from the dawn of time .The
Mohindaro and Harapa findings confirm Shiva worship in the ancient India.
According to the older scriptures, He has three places of His residence.
One is Kailash Parvat another is Lohit Giri under which Brahamputra flows and
third is Muzwan Parvat .
Like in the Urantia Book.... Truth,
Beauty and Goodness. and we know After the demise of Dalamatia City he
existed in a few places and built up civilizations, the area around Lake Dal
being one place before he built 1stEden. Reflections of the tree of life is also
there as in the cucumber of the tree and associated with immortality, in
writing.
I believe the following is a distant reflection of Van and Amadon, his assistant
who were immortal living of the tree of Life and lived in various places in his
sojourn on earth.
The ancient epics narrate an
other story which goes like this. The valley of Kashmir was under water .
It was a big lake. Kashyap Rishi drained the water through number of rivers
and rivulets .
In those days Bhrigu Rishi came that way on a visit to The Himalyas.
He was the first to have Darshans of this Holy Cave . When people heard of
the Lingam, Amarnath for them became Shiva’s abode and a Centre of pilgrimage
. Since then Lacs of devotees perform the pilgrimage through tough terrain
and avail eternal happiness.
The trek to Amarnath, in the month of sharavan( July– August
) has the devout flock to this incredible shrine, where the image of Shiva
, in the form of a Lingam, is formed naturally of an Ice Stalagmite, which
waxes and wanes with the Moon's cycle . By its side are fascinating, two more
Ice Lingams, that of Maa Parvati and of their son, Ganesha .
Like Van visiting the area, Lake Dal
after the demise of Dalamatia City and improving the area and kept in their
legends of the beginnings. Also immortality is mentioned in lore which is a
reflection of Van and the tree of life and Vans assistant Amadon. They must of
looked alike having the same life genes.
Have you got evidence, if there is no
evidence then why this. Its merely assumption but on nothing evidence.
Ahh Atlantis was no where the Atlantic, thats all modern interpretation in
todays terms.
Herodotus does mention the Tethys Sea and the ancient sea used to flow right
through the area of the Persian Gulf and the Med connecting with the Indian
Ocean.
No where near the Atlantic.
quote:
Another thing...Plato is quite clear
between Atlantis as being before or in front of the Pillars while stating that
the other countries were withIN the Pillars. This is clear and concise.
Yes within the pillars of the Persian
Gulf! you mean ahahahahahah.
Like the UB says its all confused, man and knowledge of his historical history
is all confused based on garbled legends of the past and we have to make sense
of it today??? Impossible considering all the confusion regarding Plato's
Atlantis. The only way to rectify this was a new book that was clear where one
could follow it to major discoveries that are real!
Aristophanes, Birds 685 ff (trans.
O'Neill) (Greek comedy C5th to 4th B.C.) : "The Immortals did not exist until Eros [Himeros] had brought together all
the ingredients of the world, and from their marriage Ouranos (Heaven),
Okeanos (Ocean), Ge (Earth) and the imperishable race of blessed gods (Theoi)
sprang into being."
The Fall, reflection "if your
hearts are touched by my disgrace,"
and
quote:
Homer, Iliad 14. 244 ff :
"[Hypnos, god of sleep, addresses Hera :] Any other one of the gods, whose
race is immortal, I would lightly put to sleep, even the stream of that
River Okeanos, whence is risen the seed of all the immortals. "
might be more clues to Dalamatia City,
the first City and also in connection to the current discoveries.
quote:
She whom I forbade to be a woman [by
transforming her into a bear], made a goddess! Thus the guilty pay! So great
my sovereignty! ... But you who reared me, if your hearts are touched by my
disgrace, debar from your green deeps that sevenfold star that at
the price of shame was set in heaven, nor let that prostitute your waters’
pure integrity pollute.’ The Di Mari (Sea-gods) gave assent, and Saturnia [Hera]
departed heavenwards through the cloudless air with her light chariot." -
Ovid, Metamorphoses 2.508
Is the above Reflections of the fall
of Eve?
and
quote:
Plato , Theaetetus 152e
(trans. Fowler) (Greek philosopher C4th B.C.) :
"And on this subject [i.e. that all things are derived from flow and motion]
all the philosophers . . . may be marshalled in one line--Protagoras and
Herakleitos and Empedokles--and the chief poets in the two kinds of poetry,
Epikharmos, in comedy, and in tragedy, Homer, who, in the line `Oceanus the
origin of the gods, and Tethys their mother,' has said that all things are the
offspring of flow and motion." Orphic Hymn 83 to Oceanus (trans. Taylor)
(Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) : "Okeanos I call, whose nature ever flows, from whom at first both Gods and
men arose."
quote:
Nonnus, Dionysiaca 22. 280 ff
(trans. Rouse) (Greek epic C5th A.D.) : "Tethys! Agemate and bedmate of Okeanos, ancient as the world, nurse of
commingled waters, selfborn , loving mother of children."
quote:
Nonnus, Dionysiaca 6. 155 ff : "After the first Dionysos [Zagreus] had been slaughtered,(first default of
Dalamatia City) Father Zeus ... attacked the mother of the Titanes
[Gaia the Earth] with avenging brand, and shut up the murderers of horned
Dionysos [the Titanes dismembered the godling Zagreus] within the gate
of Tartaros [after a long war]: the trees blazed, the hair of suffering
Gaia (Earth) was scorched with heat . . . Now Okeanos poured rivers of
tears from his watery eyes, a libation of suppliant prayer. Then Zeus
clamed his wrath at the sight of the scorched earth; he pitied her, and wished
to wash with water the ashes of ruin and the fiery wounds of the land. Then
Rainy Zeus covered the whole sky with clouds and flooded all the earth [in the
Great Deluge of Deukalion]."
"Deukalion" A Mediterranean Event, not
the whole world to extinction. "Deukalion" = Rising sea levels.
and
quote:
Homer, Odyssey 4. 561 ff (trans.
Shewring) (Greek epic C8th B.C.) : "The world's end, the Elysian fields . . . Snow and tempest and
thunderstorms never enter there, (submerged) but for men's refreshment
(spiritual) Okeanos sends out continually the high-singing breezes of the west
(aetai zephyroio)."Hesiod, Theogony 337 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic
C8th or C7th B.C.) :
"Tethys bore to Okeanos the swirling Potamoi (Rivers) . . . [and the Okeanides
who] alike look after the earth and the depths of the standing water."
and
quote:
Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 139 ff
(trans. Weir Smyth) (Greek tragedy C5th B.C.) : "Okeanos, him who with his sleepless current encircles the whole earth."
and
quote:
Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound 302 ff : "[Okeanos] the stream that bears your name and the rock-roofed caves you
yourself have made [for your home]."
and
quote:
Plato, Cratylus 400d & 401e (trans.
Fowler) (Greek philosopher C4th B.C.) :
"[Plato constructs philosophical etymologies for the names of the gods :]
Sokrates : Let us inquire what thought men had in giving them [the gods] their
names . . . The first men who gave names [to the gods] were no ordinary
persons, but high thinkers and great talkers . . . Herakleitos [philosopher
C6th to 5th B.C.] says, you know, that all things move and nothing remains
still, and he likens the universe to the current of a river, saying that you
cannot step twice into the same stream . . . Well, don't you think he who gave
to the ancestors of the other gods the names 'Rhea' and 'Kronos' [derived by
Plato from the Greek words 'flow' and 'time'] had the same thought as
Herakleitos? Do you think he gave both of them the names of streams merely by
chance? Just so Homer, too, says--`Okeanos the origin of the gods, and their
mother Tethys;' and I believe Hesiod says that also. Orpheus, too, says--
`Fair-flowing Okeanos was the first to marry, and he wedded his sister Tethys,
daughter of his mother. See how they agree with each other and all tend
towards the doctrine of Herakleitos."
and
quote:
Aratus, Phaenomena 566 ff (trans.
Mair) (Greek astronomical poem C3rd B.C.) : "Okeanos himself will give thee signs at either horn --the East or
the West--in the many constellations that wheel about him, when from below he
sends forth each rising sign."
None of the other philosophers mention
anything about Gadir, or the pillars of Heracles, but speak of there origins in
Okeanos and Tethys this is not a reference to Atlantis, in the Atlantic of
Europe and anyone who twists to suit his Atlantic case is a fool.
"The world's end, the Elysian fields"
The end of obsolete confused knowledge will be made at the Elysian fields in
discovery!.
The death of crap!
Sevens
posted
02-08-2008 05:26 PM
quote:
gives us a very clear view of what
he means. "Facing" means "facing towards the country". Now, if he had meant a
"part of the country", then I believe he would have said something like "a
part of" or "attached to" or "adjoined to".
Yes, like all concerning cities
primarily 2ndDilmun and 1stEden that face the eastern seaboard jutting to the
West and facing the East, for all we know these places in real truth are the
places as seen in the evidence along with man made structures with symmetry and
design relating to symbols that we can understand today!
Dalamatia City had also a sea board and was destroyed by a tidal wave due to
massive submergence.
I would like to say there is DATA evidence of the great submergence right next
to Dalamatia City and does confirm the Urantia account.
According to the data the great submergence happened slight to the east of the
city. Thats why the eastern side of the city is submerged and depressed.
It could very well be that Dalamatia City did have water to the east of it thus
separating itself from the land/coast to the east, Iran!
Here is some Bathy data which it clearly shows that Dalamatia City was located
next to the great submergence and looks as if it was separated from the eastern
coast of Iran by water or a large sea river.
I am sure that all description of Atlantis are local descriptions of the place
which got out of proportion over time.
and
quote:
Nonnus, Dionysiaca 41. 142 ff : "Tethys, running side by side with Okeanos, who begat thee in his bed of
many fountains when joined in watery union with Tethys." "Tethys,
running side by side with Okeanos, who begat thee in his bed of many fountains
when joined in watery union with Tethys."
The Persian Gulf the last remnants of
the great Tethys that connected the Indian Ocean with the Med but is now within
the heads of the Persian Gulf, as in those times of the Gods on earth. Still
does the Persian Gulf (old Tethys) commingle with the waters of the Indian ocean
through the Heads or the pillars.
I believe they still hold remnant
descriptions of the Persian Gulf close to where they originally came from.
Greece was a later event and the myth migrated to include areas in Europe with
the migration and locations that will never yield anything because essentially
the descriptions of Atlantis came from the Persian Gulf and the pre Greeks knew
all about it at the time and where it was originally located.
Sevens
Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:26 am
I believe we will rule with Christ in the next
thousand years. for sure undoubtedly
praise the Lord, I can see that happening no worries at all! but when I don't
know I haven't got a God clock to let me know ahahahahahah!
But one thing I know that in this time The Father wants to give us the fullest
experience in this time as we are the future leaders of this planet and we
need the experience. I think The Father wants to give us a wide experience and
make us full with his truth and glory. Jesus is with us all the time and his
angels to give us the truth and the ability to rule with Jesus our king and
our fantastic and loving friend! There is much liberty in expression in our
great friend/King Jesus.
Praise the lord
for that one to! I love that term KING JESUS our friend and best buddy, real
friend Jesus! There is no fear at all!
Sevens
Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:39 am
Man I just want to real facts of everything! The fact that
Jesus would have us to follow.
There are many Michael Moore's around the planet who say many things.
Just give me the real facts of the end times and the future, something that I
can look forward to without reservation.
You know there is a conspiracy's on everything on this planet conjured by man
himself in his fear for whatever purpose.
Really speaking, all the world stuff is just plain flat out BORING, everything
is BORING, all the same crap no matter where you go. All the leaders are BORING!
even the churches a really BORING in the limitations of their teaching. The
rhetoric gets overly boring! Religion has become a boring process rather than a
living experience, there is no action anywhere except for these lost cities.
Hey I saw this 4 part objective documentary on the Mormons. I must say they have
some weird methods in there process and many dead rituals in there great
material temple. Are they living an unreal life outside of realism with weird
man made doctrines??? that doesn't exhibit the "Kingdom of Heaven" and are they
really stuck in the mud stuff or what!, relying on the fear of the church rather
than the unconditional love of Jesus including forgiveness.
I personally think there doctrines are in trouble and are seriously flawed with
rules outside of the Jesus truth that amount to a false facade. But then again
any faith is better than nothing! But they still have there human problems and
still they use fear as a tool. WHICH IS WRONG according to the Paradise
standard!
JESUS was never into rituals, couldn't stand ritual and doctrine as they stop
man from spiritually progressing by putting him under a doctrine of Fear!
Bringing man into the past and leaving
him there!
I think Baptizing the dead in their temple is presumptuous and every man has to
make his own decisions regarding the future life. Not the church for man...no
way that is not freewill or choice.
Baptizing the dead will never ever work as that is the individual decision
between man and the Father. Not the church give me a break! to barge in one
someones after life like that, a person that they didn't even know. Such
presumption that I have to laugh at the futility of it. Utterly futile! and
should be corrected! But they are to deep to climb out of the blindness into the
truth of everything!
Jesus wants man to be free from oppressive doctrines to the spirit. Oh lets not
talk about "where is the money"
It has to be an individual living experience and its not the individual and the
doctrines of the Church which most of it is wrong anyway!
The temple is of the spirit not some material building thing that is impersonal
to the spirit of man! Its not even a within experience considering its an
outward impression, impressing man through material impression is not the way of
Jesus rather Jesus would want man to learn and experience the truth of Jesus
within, nothing more.
Nothing to do with buildings or money or standing in the church.
I also think Islam is also stuck in the mud with
real severity, learning by rote will get man no where, except against a brick
wall. Islam will never rule the earth but the truth of Jesus will, and including
his truth and discoveries! Islam is set for destruction through there own poor
interpretation and by its flawed regulation over their fellow brother which
leads to death and destruction with a really bad attitude! towards everyone.
I personally feel that there version of truth has made the people look ugly in
there truth of all things and by there attitude towards everyone. Sharia
law, forget it, that will bring man way in the past without any progression to
the people. We see that in a number of countries that have exploded within
themselves through the spiritual oppression. Like hanging a man for having
a drink. What a bad example of governance, utterly poor in the witness.
All rule by fear which is not acceptable to Paradise!
However, Jesus taught truth and self regulation and not
through the rod of death and destruction all rule by fear! The Nodite
propensity!
Islam will have another thing coming, if they think they will rule in everyone's
life, Paradise will not allow it but then Christianity have to learn a few
things to. That's what the end times are all about! To learn and to seek for the
truth and get of the backside.
Sevens
Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:36 am
Hey I need big money to get out the Dalamatia City
to prove the truth.
How do I win a prize and get big money from the churches to do this?? ahahaa
Disprove the Sabbath, cool everyday is like the Sabbath in the relationship
with the Father but working together for the planet and for our fellow
brother!
Everyday is the Sabbath!
Ok, Ive proved it "wheres the Money!" ahqahahahahahahahah
The test of truth! either way!
Where is my big money? come on where is it! ahahahahahahaha
I want the money to fulfill my goals for Jesus.
Come on where is the blank check book for the Jesus project! eh!
Sevens
Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:54 am
I reckon the stone cut out of the mountain is a
future reflection of us cutting the Seven commands from the stone slabs in
Dalamatia City only to recover them through the use of an R.O.V.
Thus the term. "The stone cut out of the mountain without hands" (Old
temple) Submerged and the stone has to be cut with an R.O.V.
Now that stone cut out of the mountain without hands, broke all the crap
knowledge regarding history and our origins and the truth of the stone
filled the whole earth and at the same time broke the brass and the gold or
the current powers in there crap. Through truth and truth alone, broke
everything!.
Ok where is my prize!!
I have to go to Dalamatia City to actually cut out of the mountain(temple)
the STONE, The Seven commands artifact, the stone that will change
everything and fill the whole earth and that will verify everything that I
have been talking about.
I need the prize money I want to go out there.!
No time to waste! Come on lets have the prize ahahahah and lets go out
there.
I reckon Cyrus is a type for this actual situation and note the discoverer
of 1stEden is of Persian descent. Cyrus, how close is that to Cyprus and
Cyrus has a special task!! Eh! the lost cities that will verify all things!
eh! eh! The Seven commands, the new covenant, going back into the past for
the future Eh!
When you ask?
When is NOW!
right NOW! we can do this in the next few months, no more stuffing around
with the talkfest.
NOW, TODAY is the Time to make it happen, not tomorrow!
Sevens
posted
02-08-2008 08:23 PM
Adam got kicked out of the first garden as in
the bible, to the east to work with the sweat of his brow building a new home,
so in simple deduction he made a home elsewhere to the east of 1stEden. In his
second home near Nodite territory.
The Cain was also expelled to the Land of Nod to fetch a wife. Eh! Another
civilisation.
So much for this great authority that has some flaws.
Just get with it Brig and get realistic of all things! That's why your here to
get on to it!
To seek and find the truth!
I think I covered this with you in a previous post but as usual you never read
it.
The Cave of Treasures in the 1stBook of Adam
and Eve will answer your questions and it will go through the 2 places of
Adams abode again!
The time in the above posts is the time way
before Adam and Eve and is the story of Van and his travels because of the
default in the first city Dalamatia.
Sevens
posted
02-08-2008 10:42 PM
The Persian Gulf is a Sea
that runs into an Ocean and where you have to get to the sea through the
Heads.
The sea within the Persian heads is a sea surrounded by a large continent.
Makes like a good match to me.
Is Plato expressing a known area just to give the reader who would know about
Libya and Egypt some scale to the size of the Atlantean empire? even though it
existed in the Persian Gulf. Using a known place to give the reader some idea
of the size of another empire, like using Libya and Egypt as an example. It
could be me describing the Realm of Paradise, bigger than New York and
Amsterdam put together with an empire larger than NY state way up to Montreal
near where Tyrrhenia is. ahahaha
Thus an example?? that people would
recognize of the day in the size of a very old empire.
One thing for sure, Dalamatia City,
is West of the Persian Heads in a large sea and it looks to me it was isolated
from the eastern Seaboard of Iran by water. I'm not sure if it was on a island
as such. But Dalamatia City by proxy of 2nd Dilmun to the North of the large
sea appears built on a peninsula jutting west from the eastern coast by
running parallel in North and South direction where the Northern Dilmun
appears to be surrounded by water where its Northern Rectangular Wall is
situated.
Hard to say without going there.
Sevens
posted
02-09-2008 10:57 AM
So they heard about the story, traveled around
Africa and says this is Atlantis. How is that possible? By assumption with
only a basic map to offer.
Also the island in front of the heads. I think they did an expedition of the
Spratly mud bank in front of Gilbraltor and found it was a mud bank and
found nothing that world support the Atlantis theory.
Here is another consideration. This piece of land could of been possible
laying in front of the Persian Gulf when sea levels were lower, It could of
produced an a very long island in front of the Persian Gulf.
Apparently there are river channels that do exist submerged than run parallel
to main coast line. It could be big enough to establish a small settlement. I
believe that this an contender for the first location of 1stDlimun, a city
that was developed by the Nodites soon after the fall of Dalamatia City,
200,000 years ago. But because of rising sea levels and food shortages for a
swelling population they mustered all the tribes and relocated 1stDilmun to
2Dilmun, North Persian Gulf 150,000 years ago their new city when they decided
to build their first temple, 1stBabel/2ndDilmun to commemorate their heritage
as a race but then a war arose.
I feel the following describes the location of the heads of the Persian Gulf.
quote:
"down the dank
moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past the White
Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of Dreams , and soon
they reached the fields of asphodel where the dead, the burnt-out wraiths of
mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)
If that long spit of land was there and big enough for an escaping Sons of God
to go to. I feel this pace would be a possibility.
Its isolated, long, spanning 2 continental plates, in front of the Persian
heads controlling. The empire would span a large area of control.
From the heads, the island would span East to West and South, the heads as the
central controlling point. If it was the reality could this be the island of
Lumeria in the sense of another refuge of the fallen Sons of god.
It would seem like a logical place for the retreating fallen Sons of Gods to
escape to and from a war with the local population. They would of had
followers as well.
moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past the White
Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of Dreams , and soon
they reached the fields of asphodel where the dead, the burnt-out wraiths of
mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)
10. The day when He dawned, the
Heavenly King:-opens for you His door, and bids you enter Eden.
11. Crowns that fade not away, are set on your heads:-hymns of praise
hourly, let your mouths sing
It just dawned on me the Seven
gates! that leads to 1stEden and the Seven gates that lead to Dalamatia City!
and this one I cant help it, sorry,
ahahahahah!
quote:
20. Great is the victory, but
to-day you have won:-if so be ye neglect not, you shall not perish, my
brethren.
21. Glory to them that are robed, glory to Adam's house!-in the birth
that is from the water, let them rejoice and be blessed!
22. Praise to Him Who has robed, His Churches in glory!-glory to Him Who
has magnified, the race of Adam's house.
Gee sounds like this journey! We are
talking about the first places that include 1stEden, Adams house!
"glory to Adam's house!-in the
birth that is from the water" Like in the discovery! of 1stEden from the
water, discovered, its discovery, its birth! and these places are the crowns
from the treasury! To me that points directly to the expedition Discovery of
Atlantis of Cyprus led by Robert Sarmast in the discovery of the old city
1stEden or if you will, Atlantis of the Mediterranean, the 2nd Atlantis.
9000 year old inscriptions from Jiroft that reflect the Nodites and Dilmun in
reflectivity and onto Dalamatia City. Note the shapes!
I was probably getting carried away yesterday. Its hard not to when your on
this great journey to 1stEden and the Dalamatia City. You really see the
contrast and the burden man has to go through even find Jesus.
I feel man is burdened by the requirements of doctrine to under pin the
church. But I also feel the following the path to death and destruction is a
bad path. It leads to no where in religion, pure religion of Jesus.
In this journey I just feel my faith has increased dramatically and in light
of all our different ideas we can still talk which I think is the witness of
the Holy Spirit and great witness. We are all learning of each other which I
am enjoying. I just feel that religion has along way to go and I believe
that the Quran is an adoption of the Eastern Christian branch and Judaism. I
see many aspects of both incorporated in the Quran and it is a relatively
new religion.
However, it has not lived up to expectation in bringing brotherhood to
mankind and uses fear and low grade interpretations and now this and we see
the witness in action and the fall out especially in the violence using
religion in a violent way. That would not be the way of Paradise. No way
known!.
In my own studies I feel its is John the revelatory and Enoch which are the
closest to the truth and I feel St Ephraim 300AD is very close to the truth,
before Islam. I personally feel that the new revelation is linked to these
ancient places just recently discovered and I found the confirmation of this
in St Ephraim and its all about 1stEden and entering the gates and the birth
of 1stEden in the waters.
It also mentions the Churches and blessed his number. In another area it
mentions Persian and they actually becomes a blessing when they find out the
truth that they behold in their land.
It feels like a heavenly set up! if you know what I mean.
Anyway I post it up on my Dalamatia City thread.
Somehow I feel Paradise wants a new revelation to be associated with a
discovery and the ending of a mystery. A mystery that enlightens man and
leads him into greater understanding of his origins through multiple
discoveries. I also feel Paradise wants to upgrade all our religions into a
truth religion of all things with understanding. Not to make a new religion
but to unify them all on a common place table.
Perhaps that common place table is the ancient places. Paradise wants to
uplift our thinking into higher realms without fear but more so love in the
Jesus ethic. Something we all share and discover it the object of our
beliefs that opens a new age of research and discovery, wider and deeper.
When I look at the horizon on this journey basking in truth discoveries in
religion in the search of the ancient places, I see smooth waters and a
beautiful sunrise in such a real and meaningful way. Its a grand thing
compared to the things that benumb people in the limitations of doctrine.
They way I see it this journey it will be the greatest epic in truth
discovery with a mystery/discovery that unfolded in all the books of
religion. All the angels work over the thousands of years awaiting for this
opportunity when all the conditions where right and everything fell into
place which activated the last mystery through a discovery and self
realization of the Kingdom of Heaven within in such an expanded way.
I believe every family will witness this and this will be a victory for
truth and Jesus.
Probably got off the track a bit. Oh well I'm bad for that but when I write
I just go and write what I feel from within.
Sevens
Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:53 am
Her is a post that I wrote on the Atlantis
rising forum. I was replying to a debating that seems to be raging.
As I was writing this reply and browsing my forum relies and I came across a
piece out of St Ephraim and it jumped of the page, it had much meaning to
me. I believe the following is from St Ephraim and confirms this journey as
seen in the beforehand!. Its confirms that the guy has a number and much
that fits into the reality of this journey to the ancient places.
So they heard about the story, traveled around Africa and says this is
Atlantis. How is that possible? By assumption with only a basic map to
offer.
Also the island in front of the heads. I think they did an expedition of the
Spratly mud bank in front of Gibraltar and found it was a mud bank and found
nothing that world support the Atlantis theory.
Here is another consideration. This piece of land could of been possible
laying in front of the Persian Gulf when sea levels were lower, It could of
produced an a very long island in front of the Persian Gulf.
Apparently there are river channels that do exist submerged than run
parallel to main coast line. It could be big enough to establish a small
settlement. I believe that this an contender for the first location of
1stDlimun, a city that was developed by the Nodites soon after the fall of
Dalamatia City, 200,000 years ago. But because of rising sea levels and food
shortages for a swelling population they mustered all the tribes and
relocated 1stDilmun to 2Dilmun, North Persian Gulf 150,000 years ago their
new city when they decided to build their first temple, 1stBabel/2ndDilmun
to commemorate their heritage as a race but then a war arose.
I feel the following describes the location of the heads of the Persian
Gulf.
Quote:
"down the dank
moldering paths and past the Ocean's streams they went and past
the White Rock and the Sun's Western Gates and past the Land of Dreams
, and soon they reached the fields of asphodel where the dead,
the burnt-out wraiths of mortals make their home"
(Odyssey 24.5-9, translation by Robert ***les)
If that long spit of land was there and big enough for an escaping Sons of
God to go to. I feel this place would be a possibility.
Its isolated, long, spanning 2 continental plates, in front of the Persian
heads controlling. The empire would span a large area of control.
From the heads, the island would span East to West and South, the heads as
the central controlling point. If it was the reality could this be the
island of Lumeria in the sense of another refuge of the fallen Sons of god.
It would seem like a logical place for the retreating fallen Sons of Gods to
escape to and from a war with the local population. They would of had
followers as well.
10. The day when He dawned, the
Heavenly King:-opens for you His door, and bids you enter Eden.
11. Crowns that fade not away, are set on your heads:-hymns of praise
hourly, let your mouths sing
It just dawned on me the Seven gates! that
leads to 1stEden and the Seven gates that lead to Dalamatia City!
and this one I cant help it, sorry, ahahahahah!
Quote:
20. Great is the victory, but to-day you
have won:-if so be ye neglect not, you shall not perish, my brethren.
21. Glory to them that are robed, glory to Adam's house!-in the
birth that is from the water, let them rejoice and be blessed!
22. Praise to Him Who has robed, His Churches in glory!-glory to Him
Who has magnified, the race of Adam's house.
Gee sounds like this journey! We are talking
about the first places that include 1stEden, Adams house!
"glory to Adam's house!-in the birth that is from the water"
Like in the discovery! of 1stEden from the water, discovered, its discovery,
its birth! and these places are the crowns from the treasury! To me that
points directly to the expedition Discovery of Atlantis of Cyprus led by
Robert Sarmast in the discovery of the old city 1stEden or if you will,
Atlantis of the Mediterranean, the 2nd Atlantis.
That was the post and to me I thought it was outstanding and is part of a
picture that is forming as these pieces of the puzzle come together. I
reckon I am right onto it, on the trail through the abyss. Everyday I have
been finding fragments all the way and just find them incredible.
Sevens
Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:23 am
This Persia post is something else as that
points directly to the places and it is the place where all the pre ancient
places lay. It is the place that Jesus will visit according to the text,
when they find the truth apparently there is a dramatic change and
revealing. It becomes a blessing.
In light of this and the current climate in Iran and by some of my thoughts
How would Jesus accomplish this?
It would have to be something impressive to grab their attention.
But in the past 4 posts from a range of scripture I see real symmetry and an
image of all the components. I see the pieces in self realization in the
journey to the ancient places and and in what has to be done that is beyond
my control.
Like Iran as they hold all the keys to the ancient places, as in the ancient
places and control over all the places.
What a situation of reality and one blockage to the places that have to be
removed. I seems to me its through enlightenment. Its seems to be key and
its peaceful.
Could this be happening soon? You know that the journey cant stop, it has to
be fulfilled in the name of truth. This is the barrier access, full access
with a willing heart in all matters. How would that be achieved. Like I self
realize in the journey but I cant control politics and attitude in these
words in a forum. It would have to be the work of the super Angels in a
coordinate fashion.
I we have to wait and see.
I am certainly impressed and I am not disappointed in this journey. Don't
underestimate the Persian Visit of Jesus, it is written. Maybe this is
Jesus' role in the journey?? I'm sure it would be magnificent and of such a
high level but it could be individual.
The mind boggles to think!
Jesus in his travels with Ganid and Gonod he
visited Ur and 2nd Susa and spent two weeks their exploring the old cities
no doubt contemplating within himself the future plan of these cities
knowing that one day the other connected cities back to our origins would
unlock great truth.
There is no doubt in my mind that these visits of Jesus was very purposeful
and nothing unlike the expedition to 1stEden by Robert Sarmast and not to
mention the Sevens journey to Dalamatia City. I think that is a an excellent
accomplishment even at this level of discovery.
7. To the sons of Lot Moses said,-"
Give us water for money,-let us only pass
by through your border."-They refused the way,
and the temporal water.-Lo! the living water
freely3 given,-and the path that leads to
Eden!
That was an amazing verse 7
Yes, it has been freely given every word and unconditional, the journey to
1stEden and all of its paths to the other cities. I believe this to be
fulfilled! Today!
maybe they should of looked of Gades or something.
I just went to Gades with Worldwind.
I was wondering if the Gades coastline was 140m lower then the Gades we are
looking at would of been somewhat elevated and would not be a sea.
If anything an old Gades would be on the coastline perhaps a mile out on an
ancient coastline.
Perhaps somebody should be looking further out to sea. But honestly I don't
see much using worldwind
Has it been proven that Gades was an inland sea?
Gee those beaches look inviting. But where they think Atlantis is I think is
just remnants of an old quarry or a site where a lot a rubbish has been
dumped! What they think are walls is a irrigation trenches.
Have they found artifacts of a city. A city that goes back to 12,000 years.
Hard evidence. If there was a city it would be found. I triangulate that if
there was an Atlantis it would be submerged but I cant see a thing off coast.
I somehow feel there is more happening in the Persian Gulf.
Thanks for the links
Sevens
posted
02-11-2008 06:04 PM
Hi Smiley
quote:
So, until someone finds otherwise,
and present a truly convincing story that includes no "revised" details of
Plato's writings, I will continue to believe that Atlantis was truly in the
Atlantic Ocean some 10,000-12,000 years ago. No one has yet proved
otherwise.
No problem Smiley, that is your beliefs but
please show me some data not opinions with no data, that is your beliefs. I
think you should go out to the Canary island and do some depth sounding for
some anomalies and maybe do some core samples to see the story of the island.
I remember I saw a picture of man made anomalies from a dive that was done
their. It looked intuiting. I believe there was a civilisation there man has
been traveling around for years. It would seem logical to me that the Azores,
the Canary held people long ago but I don't think its Atlantis , the first
place.
The time I'm speaking about is thousands of years before anything, 13,000 year
ago from the destruction of Dilmun was the last remnant of a very, very old
culture that spanned over 200,000 years and beyond back to 500,000 years ago.
Sumerian's are simply the last remnant of the people but many of these people
traveled throughout the world including Europe who haven't lost the legends of
those times.
Anyway In relation to the journey. I believe Jesus is going to visit Persia,
personally and they will be enlightened and then I can see in the scriptures
that there attitude will change dramatically and it seems for the positive!
You know Atlantis wasn't meant to be some fairly shallow intellectual debate
that is back and forth going no where. The Discovery of Atlantis was meant to
be a spiritually fulfilling experience of faith that incorporates the whole
mind, body and soul in walking with the creators in the journey to the place,
totally accessible by anyone! no matter who.
But intellectualism without the full experience of Atlantis will not pass
through its gates .
Intellectualism will only lead a person to no belief and no faith, its the
attitude that is sorted out by Atlantis and the real truth of the whole
matter! Its not what church you belong to that will save a person, its the
motivation, intent and the flicker of faith! that is measured. This Atlantis
Epic is the theme including the attitude in light of the discoveries
The Atlantis' of truth is the measuring stick/Rod of all! in this time!
Edgar Cayce was not that far of the spirit truth of this event, even though I
think he is in the wrong place but the construct of what he writes is also a
reflection of the journey. The truth will come from 3 places.
He speaks of the Sphinx's but I believe it was the Dilmun symbol, Triangle
with a circle within found in the plug shaft of the Great Pyramid that Imhotep
built. He was an Andite, the last of them and he built a monument of truth
about his origins and the future. Locating the symbol was a great confirmation
that I was on the right track with my thoughts.
I'm not sure why Edgar Cayce gets the construct pretty well in some fragments
but his places seem to be in another place.
Maybe his thought adjuster at the time couldn't reveal the places but only
portions of the construct. But then there is much that I don't agree with in
some of his prophecies and beliefs. But that is not to say that in amongst all
he said there were fragment that was is relevant to the journey.
The same with Alistair Crowley, sure some people didn't like him even though I
think he was just a stirrer. Had a sense of humor! However, in some of his
writings he mentions the Sevenfold obviously evidence of his research into
Jewish mysticism and out of that came the information about the Veees and that
was after discovering the Veees of Dalamatia and on Mars!.
So even he has fragments of the final construct, whilst unorthodox in nature
and in his presentation there was a sense of truth in much of his writings and
it all related to the Sevenfold and the Vees and much other stuff that I was
outstanding at. But he was different and would never be accepted by religion.
But since I came into his writings I was impressed and I accept some some of
his thoughts.
The great thing about this journey and working with all the books including
the new Book, the UB is that I experience a great sense of liberty of
expression where I can draw from many places and where they all fit and I have
no fear! going forward.
I cant stop thinking about Jesus visiting Persia at some stage in the future!
Just the fact of me rediscovering and further realizing them seems to me that
it would be close as I am getting into the heart of the matter in the
discovery of both Atlantis'. I trust St Ephraim in his pearls as much as any
new testament prophet.
I know there was some script somewhere that speaks of the Elect going no
further asking for help as "What can we do" hands held out. In that nature,
III have to try and find that but I think there is a reflection of this and
this is exactly where we are at.
Something dramatic would have to happen in order to get the physical things
further revealed. It could be that visit by Jesus to Persia is part of the
journey to the first and ancient places as all the places are all locked up in
Iran and the heritage of the ages above ground are not respected and
demolished under the guise of development with a brutal hand. That really
pains me not to mention the hangings and the death and destruction with
imposition along with all the other levels of darkness occurring in that whole
region! That is my biggest complaint with over there, currently!
Its reflected that the visit of Jesus is peaceful and with blessings and Jesus
explains that we were led here hither like the Magi to witness the birth of
the creator. That we were led here hither and Jesus in kind in respect of the
past will come to the region to bring peace and stability. But it hast to be
at the right time with the right conditions and these ancient places are the
right conditions because they are the cities of truth for all mankind!
This journey of Paradise will not fail and Jesus and Melchizedek through the
Sevenfold office of the Messiah! is leader and instrumental in this journey,
he is the fulcrum and Jesus may personally do something to forward this
journey. Maybe through self realization of the discovers through there own
self discovery in the books maybe is what activates this journey to whole new
and different level where the celestial world becomes more visibly active in
charting the path to the great discovery of all mankind!.
Perhaps, the visit of the Magi was a type to what we have now in the journey
to the ancient places in the Persian Gulf! Jesus may, in turn of the Magi
visit after his birth 2000 years ago is in reality being reflecting back and
he is visiting them, Jesus preparing for the day of his glory and which may
find resolve with Israel.
Wouldn't that be something!. If through Jesus, Persia and Israel could find
resolve. I would be happy about that.
Anyway thinking about the Magi, Apparently from my research in the UB. The
leader of the Magi was an unusual person and he had a dream that the great
king was to be born to the East!. He roused the 3 Magi at the time to go their
and witness the birth of the King/Jesus.
I feel that story has similarities in this journey. An unusual epic to first
places in this record that has not stopped since October 2003. A guy saying
over there pointing to the cities including all the prophecies attached and
the unusual work in the books and sharing the experience on the run. Not
holding it back!
But then there must come to a point finality or up step into a different
reality as much of the foundations have been realized. Surely at this point
the God of Action begins to arise! Like an Atlantis epic in the journey to the
city which involves the whole planet!
Before his ministry, Jesus visited Persia, the two places was the ruins of 2nd
Susa and the Forum of Cymboynton, a place on an island in Lake Urmia in
Iran. The island was close to the mainland and was only accessible by boat.
Today the island is connected to the mainland because Global warming and less
water.
In Susa and Ur, Jesus reflected much and he spent considerable time exploring
the area probably already formulating his plan for his day when all these
places will be revealed along with a book, his book.. He was definitely
interested in archeology and truth, truth and Symbol.
The other place Jesus spent time at was the forum of Cymboynton, Its was a
place where all people of all kinds of religions could share their point of
view of the truth from what they see. It was a friendly place and their was
much debate and no one person was superior than the other, that was the rules.
Jesus made some discourses there and enlightened many. I found it interesting
that that experience of Jesus at Cymboynton forum is no different to the forum
we have here. Debating and discussing things regardless of differences its
still a good thing.
It just seems all in type, Like the Magi visiting Jesus giving honour = A
visit of Jesus to the Magi of the Persian area concerning the truth. Out of
truth comes accessibility! and the change of attitude!
Like Jesus debating at Cymboyntons forum = The debates we have today on this
forum discussing truth respectfully! oh well sometimes ahahahahahaha. But it
is where the light of truth is spawned and in that light we have greater
accessibility with wider truth and greater liberty to express with a wider
field of vision. Like a victory of new revitalizing the old but for a new
future!
Lastly, in metaphor the fact that Jesus spent much time at the ruins of Ur and
more interestingly spent time in 2nd Susa amongst the ruins tells me that
something was formulating in his mind about these places and it reflects all
the time spent researching these places.
I also want to say the Jesus riding on a ass on Palm Sunday only seems to
reflect his humility knowing the end and reflects the humility in this
project. Self vain glory is not the point! Not at all! but the truth. Jesus'
time in Jerusalem was all about truth and in metaphor reflects much of the
journey to truth.
Anyway, I see much metaphor in the journey, I tell you everything is a match,
just Everything! and has all reflections and intent with purpose to the first
places. And its good for mankind as he will be enlightened and set free!
I say right on to that!
All this concerns the location of the 1st and 2nd Atlantis' as its part of the
epic of the journey to Atlantis. Its a great Epic!! A living book on the run!
On the way to the Caspian Sea,
Jesus had stopped several days for rest and recuperation at the old Persian
city of Urmia on the western shores of Lake Urmia. On the largest of a
group of islands situated a short distance offshore near Urmia was located a
large building--a lecture amphitheater--dedicated to the "spirit of
religion." This structure was really a temple of the philosophy of
religions.
This temple of religion had been built by a wealthy merchant citizen of
Urmia and his three sons. This man was Cymboyton, and he numbered among
his ancestors many diverse peoples.
Jesus was much interested in
the early history of Ur, the birthplace of Abraham, and he was equally
fascinated with the ruins and traditions of Susa, so much so that Gonod
and Ganid extended their stay in these parts three weeks in order to afford
Jesus more time to conduct his investigations and also to provide the better
opportunity to persuade him to go back to India with them.
And just the fact I speak of 1Susa
in respect to the journey of the ancient places and his role in the journey
and note how Jesus was interested in the Cultures of the Susarians. I just
reckon all that about Jesus and Susa is a match to what we have today.
Especially if the connection of how 1stSusa can be used to prove Noah's local
Mesopotamian event flood using core samples. We should be able to find that
season.
Amazing, to say the least!
"to afford Jesus more time to
conduct his investigations"
What kind of investigations that would have purpose in resolve? What was going
on in his mind concerning the future in relation to "the traditions of
Susa". There in lays the clues...The history and where the traditions
evolved from and its relation to the end time presentation.
And what is our journey all about,
the truth and the past going back to the origins.
"They spent considerable time
visiting and resting on Cyprus" Cyprus, where 1stEden lays submerged, the
place of rest! ahahahahahaha
quote:
"Teacher, is there anything that
you cannot do?" Jesus only smiled, saying, "The teacher surely is not
without honor in the eyes of a diligent pupil." And so they set forth for
the ancient city of Ur
And isn't this what this journey is
all about! Learning from the teacher, Like Ganid learning of Jesus, like us
learning about all the origins of our past. I believe its the same thing and
it can be related to this same learning experience on this journey following
faith and we are learning from the teacher, directly!
And this beautiful piece and note
Jesus Advise to Ganid.
quote:
It was at Ur that Ganid had a long talk with
Jesus regarding the difference between knowledge, wisdom, and truth.
And he was greatly charmed with the saying of the Hebrew wise man:
"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom.
With all your quest for knowledge, get
understanding. Exalt wisdom and she will promote you.
She will bring you to honor if you will but embrace
her."
At last the day came for the separation. They were all brave, especially the
lad, but it was a trying ordeal. They were tearful of eye but courageous of
heart. In bidding his teacher farewell, Ganid said: "Farewell, Teacher, but
not forever. When I come again to Damascus, I will look for you. I love
you, for I think the Father in heaven must be something like you; at least I
know you are much like what you have told me about him. I will remember your
teaching, but most of all, I will never forget you." Said the father,
"Farewell to a great teacher, one who has made us better and helped us to
know God." And Jesus replied, "Peace be upon you, and may the blessing of
the Father in heaven ever abide with you." And Jesus stood on the shore and
watched as the small boat carried them out to their anchored ship. Thus
the Master left his friends from India at Charax, never to see them again in
this world; nor were they, in this world, ever to know that the man who
later appeared as Jesus of Nazareth was this same
friend they had just taken leave of--Joshua their teacher.
In India, Ganid grew up to become an influential man, a worthy successor of
his eminent father, and he spread abroad many of the noble truths which
he had learned from Jesus, his beloved teacher. Later on in life, when
Ganid heard of the strange teacher in Palestine who
terminated his career on a cross, though he recognized the similarity
between the gospel of this Son of Man and the teachings of his Jewish tutor,
it never occurred to him that these two were
actually the same person.
Thus ended that chapter in the life of the Son of Man which might be
termed: The mission of Joshua the teacher.
And note "knowledge, wisdom, and
truth." Is the theme of this whole journey . Nothing but the truth. And
note the words of Wisdom from our friend Jesus
quote:
And he was greatly charmed with
the saying of the Hebrew wise man: "Wisdom is the principal thing;
therefore get wisdom. With all your quest for knowledge, get
understanding. Exalt wisdom and she will promote you. She will bring you to
honor if you will but embrace her."
Inst that just so true and isn't the
Jesus theme of his words in the ancient places of Ur and Susa the same message
in the places of today that emanate from 1stSusa, Ur, 1stEden and Dalamatia
City, in the journey, they are the places of wisdom and truth and Jesus in
truth and in metaphor is leading us through his wisdom to embrace the truth of
all things, Truth and Symbol coming together. The ancient places
embraces the quest of knowledge with wisdom that is attached to these places,
through the books of religion!
The parting of Ganid and Jesus was very warm and touching to the soul, they
were great friends.
Also note this "ever to know that the man
who later appeared as Jesus of Nazareth was this same friend they had just
taken leave of--Joshua their teacher." note the "Joshua their teacher."
and then note" at the end of this chapter "Thus ended that chapter in the
life of the Son of Man which might be termed:The mission of Joshua the
teacher. " And note how this was the end of this segment in Jesus' life
which ended at the ancient places and is directly related to wisdom, knowledge
and truth and lastly the message. This journey is still part of the teaching
mission of Joshua, Jesus! and its truth is arising and it will be unstoppable!
as the truth is out there and is revealing itself.
I think this is one giant completion and all
the words speak of the ancient places in truth.
Just note Jesus' traveling life ended at the
ancient places in metaphor. It was the end of a segment beginning a new but
ended at the first places. Another Beginning at the end scenario. I believe
these ancient places are the key to everything.
sevens
Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:19 am
I appreciate your thoughts but I think something
a little different. The Kingdom of the Father will grow from within the
current Kingdom, the Babylon system. It will come from within as a little
seed that will grow from the truth of the stone, like the stone out of the
mountain.
It will enlightenment for all mankind if they choose being the sorting out.
This includes all Christians no matter there intellect nor standing,
everyone will be sorted out in response to light of truth in attitude, in
light of truth. The truth is here and its is arising!
It will be the stone that will break the crap man has to live with!
currently!
That stone is simply the TRUTH! not violence, nor this king or that king and
no doctrines but just simple, matter of fact....... truth! The truth of the
stone, will grow and fill the whole earth. The stone, the evidence, The
truth of all things, not what man thinks but the Father thinks and feels.
I have a good idea where that stone lays to.
Come on mankind lets rally, now is the time, Lets go out there and kick some
goals for the Father.
Sevens
posted
02-11-2008 09:55 PM
quote:
sevens, following myth, have you
read that the Greeks placed the Garden of the Hesperides in the furthest
west in relation to themselves
Thats right and the original Greeks
came from Northern Eastern Iran in the land of Van/Adamson (The loyal ones)
where the supermen lived, in the land of the Gods. "Dalamatia City" the real
first land of the Gods was destroyed and was the South West of Iran.
ahahahahahahah. North Eastern Iran is where all the tales of the Devas and
Greek mythology derive from even the story of Man/Gods who were the ancient
reflections of Van who was Man/God/Superman eating of the tree of life for
thousands of years building civilisation
Its is reflected by proxy of all these ancient places
Even today we still draw from the tales of the Greeks!! Atlantis is a superman
man god story where the plan went severely astray!
The Greeks where the progeny of the Van and Adamson civilisation, they where
the second major migration out of Van/Adamson country. The Greeks are the
Javan.
There are still vestiges of the Van/Adamson civilisation in the North Eastern
Hills of the Kopet Daugh!
Its interesting how the Sumerian's talk about Dilmun as a bright place, like a
land of the Gods. Exactly where the Atlantis story of the Persian Gulf came
through by proxy of 2nd Dilmun and through migration of the same people which
reached Egypt and then on to Plato's his family.
The legends of the Greeks migrated to the local environment where they lived,
just like the names of great cities also migrate as man migrates. Eventually
people see the legends coming from there own environment where in actual truth
the story was about the truth from a totally different place where the reality
occurred.
We do this today with certain
countries where we think the legends came from but only migrated with the
migrating population bringing their myths with them.
Also note: that 1stEden was to the
West of the original homeland of the Greeks, the Javan (North eastern Iran)!
regards
Sevens
Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:38 am
I think the Stone cut out of the mountain is the
Stone artifact cut out of the temple in Dalamatia City. The truth of the
stone and it journey will fill the whole earth!
Part of the teaching mission of Joshua or
Jesus of Nazareth.
Sevens
posted
02-12-2008 06:36 AM
quote:
The atlantis story doen`t speak of
a terrible cataclysm that affected the whole Mediterranean. but of a power
that was settle in the atlantis sea
How do you know it isn't the med?
Dont know what your talking about??
The Atlantis does speak of a disaster when the city disappeared overnight
including their navy..I suppose.
Cyprus is the skeleton of Atlantis of the Med, the 2nd Atlantis!
Sevens
posted
02-12-2008 05:33 PM
Very Interesting
Article and seems to make connection with Sri Lanka.
I reckon that had more to offer than many threads.
However, I still doesn't change my mind of what I think but in fact supports a
few things. Yogunandi is a good example of sea level rise.
It was interesting some of those legends from Sri Lanka, even though its not
the Atlantis it was inhabited by some of the migrating Sons of Adam and more
and more there seems to be proof especially in the distant legends.
Its is such a pity that there is conflict in Sri Lanka only if they new the
full implication of their heritage!
Personally, I think Sri Lankan people a very good and nice people I can tell
there is the Adamic gene in them just by there friendliness and hospitality.
They are sons of Adam in many ways I wish they would stop fighting.
Great article but now its time for evidence and to go out their to prove the
matter. They could do an expedition to the Bay of Cambay for example or they
could do an expedition to the multiple cities in the Persian Gulf!
Yes, all those places in Sundaland were inhabited by the Andonites even to
Tasmania but later on the races migrated t0o the area and took over.
The early man skeleton recently found on an island in Indonesia is an
Andonite. (cant remember the name)
sevens
posted
02-12-2008 05:53 PM
I know what you mean
For sure,
But there were Andonites or earlier races before Adam and Eve arrived. Our
species went through 3 mutation in a space of 15,000 years way back a million
years ago. The first 2 mutations were successful the 3rd a failure and
resulted in the Gorilla and some other monkeys that still exist today.
500,000 years ago another mutation occurred in North West India in one family
were the colored races were born.
Eventually the Andonites, the original race was replaced by the races, The
closest to Andonite blood that is reflective of those times are the current
races in the Arctic and northern Canada.
All these places had in time either the Andonite or one of the colored races
and they could relate to sea level rise.
Adam and Eve came 38,000 to upstep man which largely failed. That's why we
still have that Nodite virus in our genes from 200,000 and love for one
another is the only to overcome that Nodite propensity.
Sevens
posted
02-12-2008 06:22 PM
Hey congratulations to Orion for his
article.
Thats great and I think there is much value there in what I read.
Smiley, when I read you posts Im sorry but I don't relate to them.
I think I have the right perception of Atlantis and from what I say, 2nd
Dilmun in proxy to Dalamatia City I believe I can prove. That's if I can get
out there.
I can prove it thought the depth of the ruins in correlation to the sea level
depths at that time. In addition, all these places do need some core samples
to give us an idea of the landscape in those times and its times of history.
From my reckoning working with the 2ndDilmun, I am only 400 years out
from Plato's time reference in relation to the destruction of
2Dilmun(Atlantis), proxy of Dalamatia and that's working that 2ndDilmun is 71m
deep according to NASA worldwind.
With regards to Edgar Cayce, I never really warmed to him myself in the
fullest sense.
However, there are some clues that I believe replicate his construct to this
journey to the ancient places. For example, he says that it will come from 3
places and one place will be near the Sphinx. However, in my journey I found
the 2ndDilmun great seal symbol on the plug in the great Pyramid and that was
due to the help of I am that I am (I think that was him) He sent me pics of
the shaft and from there I could disseminate and interpret the symbol. Truth
and symbol coming together!!! Thanks I am that I am
The other 2 places he speaks of is simply wrong but in connection to 1stEden
and Dalamatia City including 2nd Dilmun he would be right.
His belief about reincarnation and his thoughts of Atlantis taken literally I
believe is wrong. There is no reincarnation, we go on a universal adventure
for eternity that is linked to the Universe on to Paradise, in a body of the
Angels. Simple as that!
Looking at all the authors, the one person I was impressed with was
Alliester Crowley . Gee he made some fantastic connections to the
Sevenfold and the Vees and many other things that I could recognize. I was
definitely more impressed by him than through Edgar Cayce. Aleisters the great
stirrer of Christianity ahahahahaha I have to laugh he had a sense of humor.
However, I think he took it to far and got carried away with himself but there
was a time when I believe he was spot on accurate in what he saw regarding the
ancient places, 1st and 2nd Atlantis.
Smiley, if you could embrace this research and look at it from my prospective,
you would find much liberty in all the sources. Even you have submitted great
links which supports the project to the ancient places. Whilst the motivation
was to combat in actual fact it complemented the journey.
You should jump on board and we can study this without division and work in
unity. In that we could accomplish many things.
That would be the will of both the Angels of Atlantis' including the Gate
Angels.
The Atlantis tale and its origins from the first places is way bigger than
Plato and is such a legend that incorporates all the books of religion. It
will be the unifying experience. But not all will be included in Atlantis
through the to get through the gates. The requirement is faith and right
attitude! That is the standard of the Angels of the Gates which is reflective
of a higher authority! Paradise!
All the best
Sevens
posted
02-12-2008 06:58 PM
Thats a weird one to.
Lets make a list.
The dogs going weird on that night, being defensive of something they
couldn't understand.
The time displacement phoenomena of the clocks.
The Light going on in opposition to the time that is set.
Could a short circuit be happening? (Thats mundane)
I think you're house is weird and the clocks are crazy ahahahahah.
However, in this case we are relating to time and light in the occurrence,
that would be the theme if its something beyond ourselves.
I reckon since these things have our attention and figuring from my
prospective that the theme of these occurrence is related to time displacement
particularly in opposition to what we consider as normal.
I say lets monitor these things and lets us know if there are any more time
displacement related events. Maybe in that, there is a message. Perhaps! Im
only speculating using gut feeling.
Also have previous occurrences been related to time or just random phoenomena?
Are you finding that these events have more definition? Pointing to something!
Is there some thing your speaking of that could be sparking of these events,
relating to time.
I'm just wondering if there is a message for us all from these time related
events??? Just curious!
I reckon keep an eye out Brig and if we are on the right track with our
thoughts then another occurrence should occur and it will be more definitive
and may respond to our thoughts.
If any thing, like what suggested in the above, we maybe on to something and
should explore it further, maybe we may discover something.
That would be cool! if there was some direct super physical relationship to
our current conversation participating in the various timelines we are
speaking about. Maybe the Angels are trying to get into the conversation
through the use of physical things in time related events.
To get our attention!
Maybe the Angels want to participate in the forum threads of truth in the all
time related debates of Atlantis that will make history!
Maybe they want to offer more physical assistance and this is seen in there
subtle communications of time??
Sevens
posted
02-12-2008 07:18 PM
All I know that everything is in
Faith and maybe the angels just simply want to help us in our faith through
the most subtle experiences.
Be in mind though that there is the last rebel out there and who does use
subtle techniques to suck people in with deception. In light of that "Test the
Spirits" some how and follow the track and see if it bear witness to truth??
as you know it.
I must say this is an curious
respite from all the Atlantis debates raging, others saving there theory.
Hey Brig have you gone to your local pastor? But then again we know what he
would say! But then again he may have something useful to apply but I some how
doubt it being doctrine based does come with limitation of perception.
Well I say if the angels who hail
from heaven want to join us in this great debate, come join us!!
Who knows Brig your purpose could
quite instrumental in the great case of Paradise! being put forward currently.
Sevens
Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:30 am
I agree.
But then who is right if we all have different ideas.
I believe if the heart is in the right place and the motivation is right and
if someone was in error in a sincere and honest way. The Father would
highlight that and hopefully the person would see that.
I must admit I prophecy my interpretations in what I read but if I was wrong
the journey would flat out stop and nothing would be forth coming. I would hit
a brick wall but I haven't experienced that yet.
Personally, as far as truth is concerned in my experience, it wont stop
because every time I think it has stopped finished, I find something else that
leads into more green pastures, its truly a wonderful experience! This is why
I have been able to speak on these forums at such length for all these years
because it is happening within, the action of the Holy Spirit.
I'm being led the whole way.
What can I say!!
In my case to test if I am wrong is go to Dalamatia City and verify the city
and lift up the Seven commands.
That would tell me if I am wrong and I would love to be tested.
An answer that would be definitive!
That is my test to Christianity! and if I'm
uncovering this its is squarely the responsibility for Christianity to search
these things physically. But instead Christianity hasn't even lift a finger
only because of Doctrine and bias and prejudice. All for the wrong things and
for the wrong reasons.
The Father is ever faithful in leading the journey
in truth, everyday, all the time, full time, No part time here! But
Christianity regarding these heritages of our origins are still on a Sunday
picnic lunch, to afraid to face truth so instead they stay out to lunch! go to
the church and hide!
Wrong, they should be investigating all things.
No matter what or how unorthodox it is and in
different raiment.
Lets forget about all this prophecy talk, lets just get down to it and do
something and discover something and do something real! and realistic
concerning prophecy, the door is open by the Father, The Gates have been
opened. At the end of the day all the prophecy speculations are useless if we
don't investigate of what is arising.
As far as I'm concerned Christianity is going no
where, until they investigate properly and finance a huge project concerning
their future. This has nothing to do with me but it has all to do with
Christianity and its destiny! No one is really impressed by the sluggish and
slothful attitude and this thought comes from on high! The Powers, the real
spiritual powers of the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise!
With all the billions Christianity has in their coffers and with truth in
front of them with demonstration, they do nothing to verify this truth more so
and there is opportunity, typical man, that is man! That's not the Father, the
slothfulness to realize truth is rotten to the core! These are the branches
that will be pruned!
Jesus says explore and discover with Jesus (his)
money and in turn Christianity turns around and arrogantly rejects the
prospect and runs for the safety of the doctrine hills even though though the
hills which have been set for destruction. Its like an insult and rejection to
Jesus, his commands and his words.
Not impressed and no one will be impressed in the spiritual world with this
attitude!
Christianity will be in a quandary, like Chickens
locked up in a chicken coup until these places are investigated and verified
properly!
If Christianity wants to eliminate Terrorism this is the path,
through enlightenment not through doctrine and in turn violence! Christianity
is very much responsible for many deaths through their advise given to Bush to
invade by these countries. But there is a better way through truth and
enlightenment which means no violence and that comes from the heritages of the
ages. But no one is going to do a thing because of stupid fear.
By the way who are these so called Christian Supermen who
advise Bush??? What are their real credentials based on the standard of the
Father in truth, not mans standards, that's crap but on the Fathers standards.
Anyway I wrote to Bush concerning these ancient places and what it would do to
terrorism and obviously as forecast....NO REPLY as usual! The same ole
rejection rubbish of man and yet the government listens to Christian advisor's
that say the same things all the time, nothing new or revitalizing, in a
circle discovering nothing let alone a final solution to the woes we have on
this planet....Just slack man and narrow.
All the advise he got from Christians was go to
war when another solution was before them regarding exploration, discovery and
verification, take to the max!
I even wrote to Iran, I did note an dramatic improvement in there negotiations
with the US and terrorism has subsided to a degree but still there is some
areas they are way of, like hanging for having a drink. I just cant even
believe that! No one respects that let alone the Father. But I tried to
do something on both sides with the meager resources I have, while
Christianity is fat literally , doing nothing for the real cause that is here,
there is no brotherhood of the Father here.
I don't know what more I can do, Ive written to
both countries, I have revealed everything on the run without price and
reward, even though its worth more than a billion dollars. Ive spent years
doing this writing, writing, writing, what more can I do without some
assistance from anyone to get this out there. Ive given all kinds of pearls in
light of my focalization using absolutely everything I can get my hands on,
orthodox and unorthodox just everything!. For you!
Its a hopeless situation and I think Jesus is very aware of this. Its not me
that's has the problem, its you that has a real problem. You = Christianity in
general!
By the way Islam is in a grave mess, they have
real problems of self extinction. I wont even consider the religion in my
thoughts, its not a good witness and is not what the Father is looking for,
rule by fear, oppression and brutality. Forget it, it will never last! Jesus
is not considering those attitudes, that is the Nodite attitude of rule and is
reflected in the leadership of those concerning countries.
For their attitude to change Jesus will have to visit them, its the only way!
Truth and logic might not cut it with these people, that's how far gone they
are, very deep in the pit!
But Christianity is the only hope, Jesus' body. Christianity has the full
potential off the future who I wish will embrace the truth as it is arising!
Jesus wants to take Christianity to a new level, charting new expanded and
deeper waters and wider fields of truth.
Sevens
Sevens
posted
02-13-2008 10:33 AM
Here is a little piece out of
Jubilees that describes the Ancient Mediterranean before and after the rupture
the Gibraltar Dam Wall with the future in mind. The commentary is probably
given in Mesopotamia or Israel.
quote:
Jubilees 8:13 "And for Ham came
out as the second portion, beyond the Gejon (Nile), toward the south, to
the right of the garden , and it proceeds to all the fire mountains, and
goes toward the west to the sea of Atil and goes west until it reaches the
sea of Mauk the one of which everything descends that is destroyed
"And for Ham came out as the
second portion, beyond the Gejon (Nile),
Speaks of Egypt
and it proceeds to all the fire mountains,
Note that on the land of 1Eden to the West of the city is Mt Olympus which was
an active volcano.
and goes toward the west to the sea of Atil
To the West of Mt Olympus or 1stEden proper the Sea of Atil Lays, 1stEden lays
in the Sea of Atil (Atlantis)
goes west until it reaches the sea of Mauk
Now the Sea of Atil reaches the Sicilian landbridge and then to the West is
the Sea of Mauk, the second sea within the Gibraltar Dam.
the one of which everything descends that is destroyed
This still refers to the Sea of Mauk but it seems to reflect the Gibraltar Dam
break where the Sea of Mauk filled with the inrush of the Atlantic waters,
when finally the Sicilian Land bridge gave way and submerged filling the Sea
of Atil. The clue is "the one of which everything descends that is
destroyed" Thus the Sea of Mauk descending into the Sea of Atil which
created the biggest catastrophic event in the earths history which resulted in
the greatest loss of human life. It also meant the loss of 1stEden.
In my mind the Sea of Atil and the Sea of Mauk are two inland seas separated
by the Sicilian land bridge and where the Sea of Mauk is closed on the other
side by the Gibraltar Dam.
It reflects the break of the Gibraltar Dam and is reflective of the Urantia
Book account. Note the key marker is 1stEden with a Volcano going West into
the Sea of Atil, Sea of Atlantis, The 2nd Atlantis of the Mediterranean.
In Jubilees is proof of where
1stEden lays and is a complete match
23 testified against (them) all.
And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him
into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes
down the condemnation. 24 and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness
of the children of men.
And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the
land of Eden; for there he was set as a sign and that he
should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all
the 25 deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation. And he
burnt the incense of the sanctuary,
And he was taken from amongst the
children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and
honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation. 24 and judgment of
the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men.
This clearly confirms the connection of 1stEden in these days to a connection
concerning judgement of the planet.
the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; for there he was
set as a sign and that he should testify against all the children of
men, that he should recount all the 25 deeds of the generations until the day
of condemnation.
Again the Garden of 1stEden is mentioned with a flood and judgment, I don't
see any mention of Noah. And the interesting part is that Father set 1Eden as
sign, which it is, for the future, a sign for the future including all the
knowledge and truth that surrounds the place. Its is the sign for today as we
get closer and closer to these places. However, 1stEden has been verified, so
upon the realization of the scriptures and its intent I would be aware of
great change in the not to distant future.
It is written!
and this one
quote:
26 (even) sweet spices acceptable
before the Lord on the Mount. For the Lord has four places on the earth,
the Garden of Eden, and the Mount of the East, and this mountain on which
thou art this day, Mount Sinai, and Mount Zion (which) will be sanctified in
the new creation for a sanctification of the earth; through it will the
earth be sanctified from all (its) guilt and its uncleanness through.
Note: there is multiple places that
concerns the Father, they are the treasuries, the treasures that are being
revealed in the physical discovery and in the books of religion.
Like in this journey multiple discoveries of our origins including the first
places, 1st & 2nd Atlantis'
"Mount of the East" I wonder if that refers to Dalamtia City, Mount =
temple
And "Zion" being the unification of all things.
Through it everything will be sanctified.
Note: THROUGH IT!! revealed all things, the "Heritage of the Ages"
Sevens
Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:14 pm
1stEden again and gives you the actual location
and matches with Jubilees!
A direct parallel between two books concerning the location of 1stEden and
how it was destroyed by a massive flood, this is not Noah's flood in
Mesopotamia 8000 years ago. This is a separate occurrence regarding the
great Mediterranean flood 34,000 years ago.
5 The voice of the Lord
breaketh the cedars; (1stEden location west of Lebanon and Syria
submerged) yea, the Lord breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. (the flood
of Eden west of Lebanon, East Med. The author tells you the location, this
is a description of the great Med flood.)
6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a
young unicorn. (again tells you the location and demonstrates the
power of the deluge in that it shook nations and caused earthquakes.)
7 The voice of the Lord divideth the flames of fire. (volcanic
action associated and fall pumice.)
8 The voice of the Lord shaketh the wilderness; (major earthquakes) the
Lord shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh
and here is another fragment that I feel relates to this journey.
Note:"9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain,whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance,
when it was weary."
and
22 The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people againfrom the depths of the sea:
Interesting! Interesting! The above is all
about bringing Jesus' people from the water through the discovery of the
Ages and the truth that surround the places. This is a literal match to this
journey of all journeys and the fulfillment of this scripture.
III have to read more Psalms, these Psalms were written in
Babylon by the Melchizedek missionaries around 4000 years ago, thousands of
years before the captivity, they were written around the time of Job and
onwards throughout the years. The Jews in Captivity discovered them and
incorporated the Psalms in the book, the same thing with Job. They were
written before the Bible was compiled, the same with many Proverbs to.
And here is another Psalm that has reflection
and clues
15 Then the channels of waters were seen,
and the foundations of the world were
discovered at thy rebuke,
O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
16 He sent from above,he took me, he drew me out of many waters.
17 He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated
me: for they were too strong for me.
18 They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the Lord was my stay.
19 He brought me
forth also into a large place;
he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
The above seems to imply
"the foundations of the world were discovered " and there was rebuke
attached "at thy rebuke," The foundations implies the ancient
places, the treasury which are the heritages of the Ages.
he took me, he drew me out of many waters
The place of truth submerged and drew me out to express the truth of the
Heritages of the ages in the journey. It could also mean rapture of the
faith families and I dont think very many will be raptured if the ancient
places are the measuring Rod.
15 Then the channels of waters were seen,
and the foundations of the world were
discovered at thy rebuke, O
Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
This whole verse speaks of the discovery which confirms the first and second
temples being the foundations of the earth, the spiritual centers that
housed the Sons of God at various time periods.. The submerged channels used
for water and protection was discovered, The first cites were confirmed but
there was rebuke attached to the discovery and the confirmation.
And it could be rapture of the discoverers and all there families and those
with faith. Then in the verse it is discovery and the verification of the
places afterwards because people will only realize then after the fact.
Thats when man gets of his behind.
Here is another verse and some clues to the current conditions and the
ancient places being submerged and in darkness.
Quote:
11 He
made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were
dark waters and thick clouds of the skies
and here is another one if you feel like it. I think there is some clues
there.
The REBUKE could be the
RAPTURE and thats what motivates man in the rapid discovery of the
ancient places. This could be the plan of Paradise in the current attitude!
and it could be when Jesus visits Persia to deliver a message and to take
his people. All his people of faith!
Sevens
posted
02-13-2008 07:03 Pm
quote:
Untill the actual writings of
Atlantis`s location is found in Egypt or Sais,of which was told to Solon in
600bc, this story will never be proven as translated so many times.There are
a lot of stone age villages found off the coast lines, however it will never
be proven that any of them are Atlantis.
I found the part of the writings of
Atlantis coming from Sais interesting. I find this equally fascinating to "lot
of stone age villages found off the coast lines"
Well lets go out there and prove everything.
But this part "however it will never be proven that any of them are Atlantis."
Well thats only displays no hope and no faith in all the writings of the Gods
conveyed by man.
By the way how do you know that Atlantis will never been found.
Like many stories that are changed in the translation could that be the same
case with the priest of Sais in the constant revision of the story to suit the
current environment??
Sevens
posted
02-13-2008 07:08 PM
No worries Brig, see what happens
eh! in the future.
It really could be anything and think you're right about the Angels.
With the article is that Orion piece you're talking about, the piece that
Orion seems to deny??
Do you know what the truth of the article is relating to this forum?
All the best with your corporeal experiences ahahahahaha.
Sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:17 am
That first post was rubbish talk.
Truth is truth if it can be clearly demonstrated. Petra is doing the best
she can, she doesn't deserve this kind of attack However the author of that
post should be rebuked himself with such limited understanding!
Time to get out from under the hiding place and get on to it. Get on to the
truth and the test of everything. What you hold on to is the old making way
for the new with the approval of paradise!
And on what authority do you come from and represent???
with that attitude! and where are your credentials in the complete scheme of
things...I ask?
sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:19 am
You're a fool man, go back to church
Where you belong! You absolutely speak garbage in many ways, you're not that
safe mate. Dont get to confident in your words of constant criticism of
others of which you have no evidence in real truth.
People like you is exactly why this world is where its at.
Nonsense eh! up you'res mate! fair and square! You're due for a wooping!
If I am right about rapture and rebuke, it is you that walking back to your
church wondering where I went wrong and this will be the biggest
disappointment in Christianity. This will be the failure of doctrine but not
in the truth of Jesus' truth and mission for this time. This journey is all
about Jesus and his mission for this planet for the future.
And this record will be the only living record of the scenario regarding the
ancient places and possible rapture and can and will be relied for those
left behind!
You're really way of the mark and off target!
You have absolutely nothing to contribute! Nothing! Zero!
Unbelievably so, in that it defies logic.
Man please infect another thread, judging by the size of your post including
its content you dont belong here!
Find some other place with your negativity. By the way where is your
credentials!! Eh! Come on, where are they? Who are you?
Go on, run for the hills of doctrine like a spiritual coward, gone on run!
sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:24 am
Petra is doing fine, she is interpreting the
scriptures in accordance to her knowledge and experience which encompasses
personal contemplation, study and research.
You have your opinion on things, she has her opinion on things. Who is to
say who is right or wrong when everyone here have there own ideas
including me. This is reflective of the whole body of Jesus.
The Jesus brotherhood is supposed to be wielded together by the Action of
the Holy Spirit within ourselves through the love of Jesus for our fellow
man who has varying ideas which is natural. If we can get over the varying
ideas and accept and love each other for who we are and what we feel, we
would all get along better and that would mean a more positive direction
for Christianity on the whole.
Like what Jimmy says we all have our own thoughts on things. Which is OK
and the Father would want the individual to test things himself.
Jesus has his own plans at the end times. Not mans ideas, nor the Churches
would like to see to suit the thoughts/interpretations but through his own
actions and thoughts. The plans of Jesus have been embedded in the all the
books for us to unlock.
That's what we have today so varying ideas will occur, which is fine. I'm
sure Petra is going through her own thoughts on everything and researching
the matter as you should do in a better way!
Its just like Petra is a bit kicking fodder because of her thoughts, that
is about size of the spirituality within the differences in ideas within
the whole body of Jesus.
Everyone thinks they are right including me! ahahahahahahahaha That's why
we have to test everything.
That's what I reckon Bud!
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 12:13 AM
You deny one only to accept the
other and yet they are the same two places of the Gods and each have their own
story in parallel to each other.
How do you know that anything of yours is right?? If you think its right show
me! Demonstrate, put up.
The above post teaches me nothing.
Just assumption based on nothing that I can read or study. Its just an
opinion. Show me the why in the evidence.
sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:59 am
Quote:
Why Must Christianity Be Re-invented?
I, personally, don't believe it needs to be, but Robert Schuller and
friends spent a few days in late January planning how to do it. On my
February 9 radio program, "Understanding the Times," Roger Oakland
reported on the event as he was able to attend a portion of it. He stated
that the prominent view from most in attendance was that Christianity as
we have known it has run its course and must change. It must be
re-invented or it won't survive. Really?
Hey Lobo that was an interesting quote.
I'm sure Robert Schuller and friends detect something is not right and
direction of Christianity is loosing its way in some cases.
I think they are perceiving something is wrong but how to do it??
I say go out there and verify something.
Perhaps Robert Shculler within himself feels that Christianity is at a stand
still and is not moving on.
Actually I think he is extremely wise to
pursue this thought of inquiry of a personal review of where the body of
Jesus stands.
Maybe the answer involves a new book written by the finger of the Father and
that will demonstrate itself as the book of truth recorded by the angels and
blessed by the Ancients of Days and which harmonizes with the bible but with
some correction. Which is OK so long as it embraces the truth of Jesus and
can be demonstrated in all fields of knowledge. If its truth, its truth.
This may involve a complete renovation of Christianity and coupled with
solid evidence being more acceptable to many people.
I should send him an email and explain the situation.
Also the answer is not going back into the past and leaving people there.
Christianity has to be modified for the future world with a new slogan and
outlook. Christianity will not go back into the past, it has to move forward
and boldly face the challenge of truth as demonstrated!
That will be the test of the matter of truth and that will harmonize in all
levels of knowledge!
Believe me Christianity in the future will be the coolest religion around in
anyones language. It will be very hot to be involved in Christianity of the
heart and soul of the future working in action with the Holy Spirit in a
more profound way with greater results as there will be more truth
accessible for individuals to work with.
Like what I do, is only an indication for the future.
Hi my name is Sevens, I live Australia, Im
writing to you because there is no email access to Robert Schullars office.
So by me writing to you Im hoping this will get to him. The email is of the
highest priority.
Here is a post/quote I found.
Why Must Christianity Be Re-invented?
I, personally, don't believe it needs to be, but Robert Schuller and
friends spent a few days in late January planning how to do it. On my
February 9 radio program, "Understanding the Times," Roger Oakland
reported on the event as he was able to attend a portion of it. He stated
that the prominent view from most in attendance was that Christianity as
we have known it has run its course and must change. It must be
re-invented or it won't survive. Really?
All the best in Robert Schullars review of
everything.
I was wondering if you could somehow ensure this
email gets to his Son or Robert Schullar himself.
I appreciate it
regards
Sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:47 am
Well I wrote to him an email with the usual
links
I hope the email gets to him and is not deleted.
Lets see if there is reply and if he gets
the email.
If he receives the email, lets see what ignites within him, he is reviewing
all things, not his faith in Jesus but the direction of Christianity living
in a material world.
I detect that he detect that something is quite right and he wants to move
for change.
That would be a big challenge to him and his congregation.
But know Jesus is right behind it, Change and modification into his path
that he has set out in the beginning. Its like Jesus giving backing in the
revealment of the ancient first places, the former things or The Heritages
of the Ages, that means all ages. right from the beginning. We start in the
beginning to find the end! Then we begin again from the end! The beginning
at the end paradox.
I tell you if Islam dont get there act
together, the Christianity of the FUTURE will blow away that religion just
by the mere fact of truth and truth alone verified and where as Islam will
loose appeal and they will work more in fear and in oppression of others, to
save themselves and their doctrine...Stuck in the mud totally.
But Jesus might visit them and rapture at the same time his followers us, as
a demonstration to Islam as they need more help than Christianity in this
current climate. They have some very poor interpretations of their book and
their actions are way of and does not present the Paradise attitude!
That's why the recovery of the Seven commands, the stone and the
verification of the cities in the images is paramount not to mention further
exploration to 1stEden.
It should be the paramount quest and priority of Christianity in the quest
for the Holy Grail of our times which are the ancient places.
Christianity in the future will kick real goals for all humanity just by its
truth demonstrated and does include a new book and all other books which
have been neglected in the research by the one book only field of vision.
The Sevens, Stargate, Star trek journey of
the future of truth! Back to the past to find the future!
Sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:44 pm
If you
expanded your search including all the Books of religion including the New
Book it may widen your field of Vision with deeper reach in truth. You may
find that change is due and where it begins is in our truth.
All truth will be revealed as it was hidden for this event in the
demonstration. The change of truth through exploration, discovery and
verification will end the old for the new so in effect it is the end times of
our current knowledge and Jesus is right there effecting change to all our
perceptions for the future and it will be tested and demonstrated.
We can all test this physically as written in the words of Paradise!
Sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:44 pm
If you expanded your search including all the
Books of religion including the New Book it may widen your field of Vision
with deeper reach in truth. You may find that change is due and where it
begins is in our truth.
Well that is a case of pride and prejudice and a shallow outlook that will
not stand when you consider the priests before Jesus, all read the books of
all their religion including Enoch, the book that you reject and yet the NT
disciples relied on it to. That's how pointless your attitude is and how
narrowed Christianity has become, they even reject the books the priests
studied before Jesus.
We can all test this physically as written in the words of Paradise!
While the crew is still here it would be a good idea to widen the research
and literally see where the change is emanating from. I also believe that
Rapture is a rebuke more than anything and not anyone will be accepted and
acceptance is based on the standard of faith in light of truth revealing.
All souls will be searched in there attitude in the motivation of the
concerning soul. That is the standard of rapture and I'm sure the ancient
places will include the rapture but it will be a rebuke for those left
behind to think about things and to review and research everything before
the Ancient of Days and other Paradise personalities visit this planet
concerning unfinished business that goes back to our origins.
In other words through the journey its is a revealing process so man
understands everything and therefore gives us the beforehand advantage to
spread the world to help our fellow brother, he does need help. All this
journey is part of the familiarization process set by the Father in Heaven
and I believe the documentation of this journey that began right from the
beginning is part of the process. Its a living record on the run to be left
behind to help out my fellow brother who may be left behind and severely
affected.
We are going back to the beginning to find the end and that includes all the
discovered places of the Beginning and its truth with the complimenting Book
as it has been demonstrated.
This I believe this is the construct. Researching all things regardless
where it comes from, concentrating on the commonalties in each book and in
the focalisation to the ancient places in the journey and overshadowed by a
new book written in the finger of the Father literally and we can test that
to in the discovery.
We know the locations. There is already enough evidence to make up your mind
as the ancient places are the catalyst for the parting of the ways for many,
as many will have no faith at all when it comes down to the crunch of truth.
bye
Sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:06 pm
"but if it is not from the bible it is
wrong. "
Well that is a case of pride and prejudice and a shallow outlook that will
not stand when you consider the priests before Jesus, all read the books
of all their religion including Enoch, the book that you reject and yet
the NT disciples relied on it to. Thats how pointless your attitude is and
how narrowed Christianity has become, they even reject the books the
priests studied before Jesus.
All that will not stand in the new kingdom of the planet
Here are my credentials and the basis of my thoughts
And what are your credentials?? I ask, that is related to the end times or
to anything.
Whether you like it or not this is the case of the future and it is not
reliant on your attitude of judgement without research or study. This
attitude will fail and the attitude is largely responsible for the
divisions we have in Christianity.
Jesus has his own agenda which is not reliant on any book. However, the
construct is embedded in all the books of religion to unify man not to
divide him through shallow judgments and narrow interpretations.
Actually, I use the bible more than you, I have posted more scripts with
what I feel out of the bible on par or more than anyone here to prove my
case.
My journey is sustainable and it just keeps on going!
Enjoy the journey.
"but if it is not from the bible it is wrong" Honestly
man ...give me a break..remember the earth was flat 400 years ago, a
perception given out by the church and people got killed for it even in
light of clear truth. Whats new in your attitude a result of not expanding
yourself where people get killed for it where at the end of the day the
persecuted were right. The same we have in your attitude.
Was there ever an apology from the church to suppress truth at that time
and where it still attempts to suppress the truth today out of fear!!
Keeping it away from the people with bad judgments. Thats not the path of
Jesus and your attitude is set for correction by truth itself as
demonstrated and will be demonstrated more so.
I just say dont fall in the path of being unteachable or else you will
fail! and you will be bitterly disappointed in your vain efforts.
This saga of this planet goes much further back than you can imagine and
is related to the original foundations, here is an example of the scripts
I use out of the bible that emanate truth of the current saga.
I ask why doesn't the church tell you all this information? Because they
have closed their minds to many things of literal and verified truth, they
are too deep in their man made structure and it cannot reply to truth as
it arises. And why did the Catholic church exclude many books out of the
bible during the Bible compiling. What was their reason for that? even
when their basic idea of the solar system was wrong!! They were not the
all time authority and they have not demonstrated that in the action as
they have still more to learn. But there stiff necked attitude led them to
death and destruction the same path that you seem to be on in attitude!
Where it began was from the statement "but if it is not from the
bible it is wrong". This is where it started from the death and
destruction we have on the planet, this is the root source problem pride
and prejudice without research and study, just man trying to save his man
made doctrine structure through loose statements.
What a joke and then you come on like this. This stonewall attitude to
save your soul and your doctrine will not work and you have still more
from the action of demonstration using all fields of knowledge!.
You should really get in to the Elysian field of action by research and
study.
Yes, there is a new book and sorry you will just have to live with that
reality as well.
Sevens
Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:57 pm
Hi Jimmy
Quote:
before they are revealed, is a
waste of our time
I think the revealing is now and is in the beforehand to provide man the
opportunity in the beforehand and faith is the measuring Rod of the
hidden that only needs to be verified.
The Lord will reveal in such a way that it has purpose to the plans of
the Father where the attitude of mans soul is the question in the hidden
that is being revealed. The point is faith and righteousness in the
experience before the demonstration and all the other things that are
important to the Lord.
Thats the construct as I see it.
It has to be tested and will be, so we can see for ourselves.
Just a side thought that this journey is
the real Indiana Jones and all those movies were types of the
demonstration. All preparation for man in the revealing. Its just vast
how all the pieces where conditioned and put together in the timeline.
One piece complimenting the other.
The minds that organized this construct and embedded it in the books
where really advanced and would have to come from eternity to for see
these things and document it in the beforehand as a mystery for us to
unlock and to learn many things of truth.
Its just so brilliant, I could do this for the rest of my life, doing
the will of the Father. Better than anything the world, the Babylon
system can offer and its totally safe and reliable.
all the best
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 03:16 PM
Well its all a matter of
opinion and we are talking about the lands of the gods. Atlantis.
1stEden and Dalamatia City are all lands of the Gods and the Greeks had
that documented like all cultures and there are many commonalities.
It will have to be demonstrated, like in your face.
We have to test the thread in the demonstration.
That's all I say, no point going back and forth.
I know the journey and the construct I have found it in the books of
religion where Plato compliments and it will be smash hit all over the
planet that man will be unable to deny and your opinions will be the
definite minority as truth will be in front of our faces. You can
already see that now. It will the biggest smash box office ever recorded
in the movie industry and that is the work of the Father in the "kingdom
of Heaven"
All the theories that fail the standard of demonstration will be thrown
out and will naturally die of even superstition will go. Like fodder or
chaff in the wind and that will be the result of the Sevenfold mission
whether you like or not its is a train that is at full speed now. It has
left the station that where this journey is going and is destined!
Yea! and you will not overcome the truth of the Sevenfold mission.
And my brother Robert Sarmast
the discover of 1stEden Atlantis of the Med is part of the success of
this whole journey.
Most definitely!! He has the crown to! we are the holders of the Crowns
of the treasury and it has been recorded in the annals of Paradise!
We are the Kings, Semah and
Denah. the double crowns, the double kingship, like the double seals
in the Great Pyramid and blest by Paradise/The Kingdom of Heaven! The
doubles are the reflection of this Kingship.
Its is written! Its is written! blessed be his NUMBER.
"like it or not!"
No worries, having a chuckle ahahahah
all the best
Sevens
« Reply #12 on:Today at 05:08:30 pm »
Hi Sarah I found this fragment in one of your other
threads in your own book.
Quote
The Seventh Path is the
Occult Intelligence, because it is
the Refulgent Splendor of all the
Intellectual virtues which are perceived by the eyes of intellect,
and by the contemplation of
faith.
The Seventh path is relevant to the journey to the
ancient places and you know personally the Seventh Path to the journey
of the first and second temple as discovered and written in the UB! and
in fragment form of all the other books.
The truth of everything will be in the demonstration which will be
beyond words, opinions and current interpretations.
Sevens
«
Reply #13 on:Today at 05:34:18 pm »
I think you will find that all races including Israel
in their past practiced Altruism and which still persists today.
Hey Sarah lets get married?
Would that accepted in Jewish belief system?? Remember you be getting
married to a Gentile. Would that be accepted? Where did the word
Gentile come from and from whom?
By the way I would marry you because I love you
deeply in my soul not for what race you hail from but because I
would love you from within my soul as one soul touching another. That
would be the superior attitude not the race related attitudes. Love
will conquer all and thats where the Kingdom of Heaven wants us to go
in full strength. And the UB is most definitely part of the
unconditional love as displayed by our master Jesus and I love you
unconditionally as Jesus and the Father of Paradise loves you and that
is the superior things of Genes and is part of the Adamic gene, the
Nodite propensity is the opposite that cites with the last rebel and
his attitude towards man in death and destruction as surrounds you.
I'm sure all that is sparked by attitude reaction
and that is related to Genes, remembering we are a fallen planet and
our genes were affected and this is displayed purely by death and
destruction we have on the planet all fostered by low grade people in
their attitude.
Everything is in the attitude! Not of racial structure.
That is the test of all things.
regards
Sevens
Reply #14 on:Today at 05:49:53 pm
Its
incredible Sarah that 7 days ago you kept coming into my mind at times
and I would contemplate you and then only to find this thread posted.
The Sevenfold Angels tell me everything that is happening. I knew
something was going on from within myself about you thats why I came
here to find out what was happening and see how how you were. The same
Sevenfold angels that assisted Abraham and his people down through the
ages are the same angels that petitioned to the Ancients of Days 400
years ago in the petition of the Urantia Book.
You are part of the Sevenfold journey to the first ancient places.
And I like this piece to
Quote
The First Path is
called the Admirable or the Concealed
Intelligence (The Highest Crown) - for it is the
Light giving the power of
comprehension of that First
Principle which has no
beginning, and it is the
Primal Glory, for no created being can attain to its
essence.
That first principle is love from one another, the principle of Jesus
and knowing that the Father of all things is pure love.
Concealed Intelligence
Like the hidden crowns of the first and second temple of the Father that
are being revealed as we speak.
I'm just finding your book quite fascinating regarding the
Sevens and how that is perpetuated throughout the whole book. Many clues
there to the journey!
Quote
These seven are
Planets of the Universe, the Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter, and
Mars; the seven days are the days of creation; and these an the seven
gateways of a man, two eyes, two ears, two nostrils and a mouth,
through which he perceives by his senses.
Geez "the seven gateways of a man, " isn't that just like the journey
to the ancient places in its construct of the faith and reflective of the
Seven gates to the 1st and 2nd temples constructed by a man. The 7 gates
built by a man being the gates of attitude in the discovery and the
verification of the 1st and 2nd temple of the Father, the first creation of
administration of the Planet run by the Sons of God including Adam and Eve.
We are on the journey to the places throughout all the books.
In type and metaphor I found the above fascinating.
Great stuff your book Sarah!
And he "through which he perceives by his senses." That's right, its
all perception and being led throughout the books of Heaven
where ever they emanate from. They have a commonality that relates to the
final mystery. The ancient places!
Yea! but remember its in metaphor I see this I
know its about eh human body and his senses but there could be more supernal
meaning.
and this one
Quote
4. After that
our father Abraham had seen, and pondered over, investigated, and
understood these things, he designed, engraved, and composed them, and
received them into his power (hands). Then the Lord of all appeared
unto him, made a covenant with him, and kissed his head, and naming
him after his own name, called him his friend; and as it is
written, completed a covenant with him and with his seed
forever, who then believed on God, the Tetragrammaton, and it
was imputed to him for righteousness.
Just like the journey. The above seems to be the type of the current
experience. Fantastic stuff! The whole story of Abraham could very well be
the type of the completion that current going on I can just see it! most
definitely!
Brilliant.
Its is spot on and all the 32 wisdoms are
encapsulated to this journey and I can relate to all of the wisdoms in
understanding from the experience of the journey and through being led
throughout all the books of religion and this one to.
Quote
The Thirteenth Path is named
the Uniting Intelligence and is so called
because it is itself the essence of Glory.
It is the Consummation of the Truth of
individual spiritual things.
Sarah, I love you!
Thank you for leading me into more green pastures. I am satisfied with what I
have discovered through you.
Love and blessings
Sevens
Reply #16 on:Today at 07:41:12 pm
Hey Sarah
I did a search on the Atlantis Rising forum. I thought people might like to
see all of the posts and the conclusion before it was taken down from public
view, this includes discovery of Atlantis to, we were all affected by that
annihilation of thoughts.
Considering, it was your thread and your assertions that stimulated me to join
Atlantis rising as the Sevens as I lost my other member id which think was
dj606. I used Sevens simply because of
http://www.dalamatiacity.com Sounded logical at the time.
Now since then, all those people are gone and have not contributed anything
worthwhile to any post except being in the arm chair fence sitting
configuration. They were all worthless people in their attitude with nothing
to contribute and who just faded out like chaff in the wind where they found
there parting of the ways.
But I'm still here with you as the faithful one, like Abraham and I have gone
much further in the discovery.
If it wasn't for that thread this journey of posting and recording and giving
out without price and reward as Sevens would of never of happened. In this
path and I would of probably never discovered all the pearls of wisdom that I
have accumulated.
I thank you for that thread, if it wasn't for you I wouldn't be here finding
the pearls and especially looking into that great book of yours. Regarding
the journey, since I last spoke to you it hasn't stopped and there have been
major breakthroughs and great discoveries where the construct and the final
mystery is evident and Christianity is starting to question and look into the
matter of truth, step by step!
Hopefully this will lead to an extinction of war with enlightened and loving
correction for mankind for the great future we have to look forward to. But
entry is related simply to attitude of the soul and faith with love for one
another without judgment.
Thank you.
Love and blessings
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 07:08 PM
Hey Ishtar, Its 15th of Feb 08
its way down the timeline and as you know much has been discovered in the
journey.
Im digging around down here at the discarded thread pile, like with other
threads not relating to Spain as Atlantis that got deleted. It was fascinating
looking at all the original posts and the reason for I joined up as Sevens
I hope you're well and doing fine living a blest life, no worries at all.
Living a great corporeal Life. ahahahahahahah!
Great Blessing to Ishtar you are a great and worthy friend thought out the
years.
I'm in the dungeon of rejected threads so Ill go search for some more stuff in
the dungeon,
Gee its dark in here spider webs everywhere, oh dusty to ahahahahahah
You're a great blessing to mankind, no worries at all!
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 07:15 P
Hi Doc
quote:
The documentary on TV about Noah
being a merchant,who had two barges put together and got caught in a local
river flood and ended up on a island in Dilmun (Persian Gulf) is more
believable
Finally we agree one one thing. I
agree to, a local event taken way out of context with purpose and thats the
reason of the confusion.
Hey Tom Hebert1
Do you want post up some research for change. Like in poker lets see your
hand!
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 07:30 PM
quote:
Sevens, I think that you are
depending on the Urantia book only.
Its obvious that you research my
website or only partially read my post. You're not on to it and get confused
by your posts because they lack links and details including data from
independent sources to back up your claims.
If there was narrow mindedness its in you in such a lack of detail.
I don't know where you get this superior attitude from but it is not justified
in your posts.
Least I show you WHY I think things and clearly show where I'm tending and
what I thinking in my contemplations. This at least people an solid idea where
I come from.
You don't demonstrate a thing.
Its speaking to brick wall who is unteachable! being in the mire of pride and
prejudice.
The Urantia Book has demonstrated itself already more than any book around of
religion around Already and you blindly walk in no faith and you call yourself
a Christian.
Even Robert Schuller is questioning the direction of Christianity currently,
not his faith in Jesus but the direction of the church. He is right to do that
review as it really needs renovation and correction from top to bottom. I can
see that in your posts. Its evident.
Man O man this is ridiculous.
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 07:30 PM
quote:
Sevens, I think that you are
depending on the Urantia book only.
Its obvious that you research my
website or only partially read my post. You're not on to it and get confused
by your posts because they lack links and details including data from
independent sources to back up your claims.
If there was narrow mindedness its in you in such a lack of detail.
I don't know where you get this superior attitude from but it is not justified
in your posts.
Least I show you WHY I think things and clearly show where I'm tending and
what I thinking in my contemplations. This at least people an solid idea where
I come from.
You don't demonstrate a thing.
Its like speaking to a brick wall who is unteachable! being in the mire of
pride and prejudice.
The Urantia Book has demonstrated itself already, more than any book around of
religion around and you continually blindly walk with no faith and you call
yourself a Christian. Gee I'm more Christian than you ahahahahahah by the
looks of it.
Even Robert Schuller is questioning the direction of Christianity currently,
not his faith in Jesus but the direction of the church. He is right to do that
review as it really needs renovation and correction from top to bottom. I can
see that in your posts. Its evident.
Man O man this is ridiculous.
Gee look at the posts in the above and you see Jubilees, psalms, St Ephraim
mainly all other books of religion.
You're really crapping on here. Look at the evidence in the above posts. I use
more of the bible than you ever would and you never demonstrate from the Bible
in your own posts.
I take out from the bible that more than anyone here.
I'm just Bible loving and mad about the book because of the journey!
quote:
15 I will remember my covenant
between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will
the waters become a flood to destroy all life.
An expansion of the adopted story
with purpose during captivity.
The world was never flooded completely like in the story 8000 years ago.
Docybut is right on track, she is right! You're wrong and Tom Herbet1 is wrong
to.
Read the facts in the demonstration, by the way I know how to demonstrate the
truth of Noah's flood through the ruins of 1stSusa because it was a victim of
Noah's flood during that whole season of increased melt water.
Even Dilmun has record of it according to Docybut, so life wasn't all
extincted there is record of it.
I suppose you got some lame excuse for that to.
How about we get on to study and research and break new ground rather than all
this mothers club talk of going around in circles!
quote:
Let me reiterate one more
time...It is quite clear that Adam and Eve were the FIRST man and woman,
They weren't the 1st people on this
planet. This can be demonstrated in the Bible with the land of Nod which the
authors of the great edit of the old testament in 600BC left in.
The land of Nod was here before Adam and Eve thats when Cain was expelled he
went to the land of Nod to fetch a wife Right!! EH!
Went to the east of 2nd Eden to the land of Elam where the Nodite lived where
Cain continued his life building cities. RIGHT! EH!
It all makes sense even the Sumerian's knew this and they have a
Evolution/Creation story of the planet which appears to be far superior than
the genesis version which was compiled at much later in our timeline. The were
closer to the truth of the history of our planet that what most people think
in there pride and prejudice.
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 08:02 PM
quote:
There is no proof, but there are
artifacts which Georgeos has discovered, but to date, nothing with the name
of Atlantis has ever been found.
I wondering what did he find and was
it dated. I thought I saw saw some stone anchors? years ago.
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 08:07 PM
Hey Brother Brig.
Is there anyway I could get a link to the mag for the relevant articles that
you know I would be interested in. I'm not sure of they a distribution in
Australia. I would be interested in the next issue and would be curious what
it has to say? and what knowledge they are drawing from.
Thanks for the up and up.
I don't now about Orion's article maybe he should get the issue and go through
the mag to see recognize his thoughts.
all the best
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 08:13 PM
Yes docyabut , I think that is cool
to, I think there is much good stuff here that the editors can draw from.
Good on them.
Hey Docybut you want to know something, I left a message at Steven Spielberg's
office last night ahahahahahahaha I wonder I will get a reply. ahahahaha!Mad
dog sevens gotta try everything!
I reckon he would be perfect for the real Indiana Jones presentation of the
planet through discovery and verification, he would love this. This would be
the right stuff that would fix Dafur, the truth of everything and
demonstrated!
All the best
Sevens
posted
02-14-2008 08:30 PM
Oh well I did ask him for images a
few times before.
Maybe he might have a change off heart. Maybe he is going through his own
challenges.
I wondering do you have any idea of the depth at which these artifacts were
discovered? Maybe we can workout the time frame of the artifacts?
Yes I found all the above most fruitful and
enjoyed reading all about it. The study just connects many things for me and
seems to have reflection back to Van as Vouronus or Vurana, he was an immortal
that lived in around lake Dal and then in North Eastern Iran, he was the one
that built first Eden and was well known throughout all those parts. It seems
obvious that his reflections have traveled throughout the world
including the Levantine under different names and religions and heavily
documented in the religions of the east.
This
Quote
rests on an
interpretation of Yasna 30.3, that makes Ahura
Mazda and Angra Mainyu twin brothers that had co-existed for all Time
This part sounds so similar to Vans Brother Amadon they were both immortal as
one come from the other. There is a story behind it.
Even Ahura Mazda seems to imply two brothers, maybe Van and Amadon. just
speculating in Metaphor!
Thats what I can see and I really responded to
the posts
Great posts Europa
thanks
Sevens
Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:15 am
Here is some speculation based on
the Urantia Book concerning the 2ndGarden of Eden. This is the garden that
Adam and Eve had to build by the sweat of their brow. The were expelled out of
the 1stEden which lays to the west of the coast of Cyprus as discovered by
Robert Sarmast. The 2nd Atlantis.
But in the following is the 2nd Garden that Adam and Eve lived for the rest of
there lives until mortal death.
But then again its not between the Tigris and Euphrates so therefore it could
be somewhere else?
lets have a look at the ub info
quote:
This site was known to Adam as one
of the three original selections of the committee assigned to choose
possible locations for the Garden proposed by Van and Amadon. The two
rivers themselves were a good natural defense in those days , and a
short way north of the second garden the Euphrates and Tigris came close
together so that a defense wall extending fifty-six miles could be built
for the protection of the territory to the south and between the rivers
It still could be target as the wall
was built a short way up the North of the Garden which doesn't imply the wall
was built between the rivers. We know that that ridge is exactly 56 Miles =
91Km, that is a perfect match and the wall is the North of the Garden, that is
a match as well. We know the Nodites were to North East of 2ndEden, were the
wall would confront an invading force from the Nodite. Those that vacated
knowing the King of the World was coming left to the North so in time they
would be hostile to the Adamic progeny and would again confront the wall.
I See it in this
so that a defense wall extending fifty-six miles could be built for the
protection of the territory to the south and between the rivers
Particularly, "the protection of the territory to the south and between the
rivers" So really it does imply a wall was built not between the rivers
but slightly to the North that protected the South and between the rivers.
I reckon thats right in relation to the UB texts. Spot on man!
I also think that perhaps the wall was built on a natural ridge! and
embellished!
Can you prove that! with research and data or even scripture rather than
assuming all these things. I use the bible more than you in my search for
wider truth concerning Jesus and the future. Were we are at in this time of
attitude is not the future and you know that Jesus will complete the bible
by himself with his own book of the angels as mentioned in revelation.
My heart is not given over to Satan or the last rebel, that just your fear
of new truth and it is an personal insult to me.
All I'm doing is reading the words in a book trying to find a physical
correlation using NASA software. What's wrong with that and trying to find
the connection in the Bible and all the other books.
Actually I think your blinded by own fear.
Its your fear that spreads judgment and condemnation upon people without a
stitch of evidence.
All that is just maladjusted attitudes that emanates from doctrine and not
from the truth.
Nothing worth much and its your judgement that causes division and is only
reflective of the Body on the whole.
Actually you give the last rebel power by your words and credit him for much
which is only mindal maladjustment.
Believe me mate, the devil hates what what I'm doing and comes against me
using the words of doctrine. Don't you see that division is his weapon and
he uses ignorance as tool, like he does with you.
You now, how I can tell is by your lack of substance in anything you express
just words of condemnation and judgment upon others who may have different
ideas, nothing practical or nothing that reflects study or research just
words of accusation leaning on something that I'm am taking further to a
wider field of Jesus.
That how I can tell that last rebel has fooled you by attitudes that
displays a lack of understanding because of limited teachings. Limited
teachings.
When there is something that is consistent and makes you fear and you cant
get around it, you people always use doctrine as a defense to combat the
truth as you cant get around it. Its just a total failure and happens at
every up step of religion.
Always the old condemning the new, that's is how far gone it is. Its always
the case and the people pointing the finger cannot prove a thing and they
look stupid in light of the evidence found through a new book which is
demonstrating itself.
This attitude is exactly why we have wars. Because the last rebel uses
division and total ignorance as weapon against truth.
Now with 2ndEden all I'm doing is using words of a book and trying to find
the object of the conversation, that's all I'm doing and here is you
offering no research, no nothing just words of ignorance and just plain
stupidity which is the affect of doctrine of fear in your life, blinding you
from expanded truth that can be proven as demonstrated in a book.
This attitude will fail in the final moments mate, where you actually stop
the direction of Jesus and come against him.
Its pointless conversing to an ignorant person who does nothing just sits in
the arm chair configuration, firing all judgments on peoples work and shows
nothing of his own research or nothing to prove otherwise. Just words of
utter crap!
Its all failure of the the fear doctrine that makes people fear. Its just
fear of that and fear of this and this person that and this person that
stuff and they are wrong and the devil here and the devil over there....just
going no where in the fear of truth, in the fear of everything at the end of
the day. Absolutely no expression of the Holy Spirit in boldness nor love
for another, totally inconsistent with truth of Jesus. I cannot recognize
the Holy Sprint in any of your words and you have already other brothers
pitting against you because they find you offensive. Surely you not dumb
that you cant recognize it! eh! wake up man!
Just giving the last rebel power through your lack of learning and looking
into things. Its just plain ignorance and there is nothing no one can do
about it. Because you have to see the truth in the fullest way by yourself
and I don't think you have capacity for that! You lack of capacity to
comprehend, to understand, to see! because of fear based man made doctrine.
This is why there is a massive REBUKE given to you judgement people using
doctrine that emanates from the PASTOR from the TEACHER that you makes
people like you judge others. You are all disobedient to words of the lord
even myself when I get offended by your words of ignorance.
Total blindness walking in fear. Always the case. They say the victory in
Jesus and still they walk in the fear pointing the finger at others when
they are doing the will of the Father in there lives and particularly in
light of expanded truth. Just like the Pharisees.
I was wondering you have ever been to a bible college?? Ever!
Jesus never had this attitude in his life on the planet. You are just a
fulfillment of prophecy when it comes to the Pharisees in the end times.
Just crappy talk when my whole life is dedicated to the will of the Father
and love I Jesus as a friend. Foolish judgments on others that will meet
failure at the end of the day and you in your judgement is only used as a
tool of the rebel.
Anyway, no pointing sharing with a brick wall of ignorance that is
unteachable.
You prove that I am wrong?? with practical research and something that
demonstrates the opposite view.
EH lets go to the PERSIAN GULF and prove things. EH come on gutless wonder
lets do it you and me. Right or wrong, I'm open to the search of truth!
Lets put the words on the table and find it and prove the case. You wont
participate because you are a spiritual coward and have no guts or not even
bold to seek the truth of more things.
Run for the hills, PAL or Bud, like with your mates, Just run to the
doctrine hill you coward that uses judgments on others through fear, not
love for one another. Just fear ball and a coward when it comes to work of
others.
Its all gutless! wonder talk.
I tell you an PETRA is way ahead of you mate. Even though she herself might
not agree with me on some things, that's OK, that's fine, no one has to
believe this, its research. But she doesn't judge me and lets me here in my
little hole to post away which I really respect. That shows tolerance and
respect and she is kind to me even though I have a different approach to
things concerning Jesus. Jimmy the same, Arch Michael is the same and some
others I haven't mentioned! They are all people that display the right Jesus
attitude even to people who are a little different. That's how you can tell
the spirit of the Father is strong in them and I see them as friends who I
really respect, its got nothing to do with there doctrine they follow. I
like them as people, there nice and I respect them and many others that
post. But this judgement really gets me going.
That shows true light of the Jesus' spirit!
But judging me the way you do is just crap! the whole way through and its is
rotten to the core!
Your attitude will not survive in the end times scenario, it will not work
buddy to say I love Jesus and do the opposite by judging others who are
doing the will of the Father in their work. Remember Jesus will not relate
to a poor attitude and bad motivations and he will not recognize you, even
when you say all these things in the name of Jesus but one the other hand
judge your fellow brother. The ones I mentioned in the above wont have that
problem because in by letting me be here they are assisting in the work of
Jesus and do display a good attitude even though I think there is more to
learn. But that's my view and I don't judge them at all, personally!
Actually I like the crew here. I have nothing against them even though we
have differing thoughts, that's the brotherhood of Jesus.
Your attitude will not survive in the end times scenario, it will not work
buddy to say I love Jesus and do the opposite by judging others who are
doing the will of the Father in their work. Remember Jesus will not relate
to a poor attitude and bad motivations and he will not recognize you, even
when you say all these things in the name of Jesus but one the other hand
judge your fellow brother. The ones I mentioned in the above wont have that
problem because in by them letting me be here, they are assisting in the
work of Jesus and do display a good attitude even though I think there is
more to learn. But that's my view and I don't judge them at all, personally!
Actually I like the crew here. I have nothing against them even though we
have differing thoughts, that's the brotherhood of Jesus.
Remember the final doctrine of the last rebel is, If I go down, you go down
me in ignorance and blindness and that's his tool.
So stop judging me unless you have some research that we could both look
into to work out the right or wrong in the object of the search and in turn
I will in turn stop judging you and therefore we can co exist peacefully.
deal!
sevens
Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:56 pm
Hey origen
I appreciate what you say and I apologize if I was offensive in any way.
This whole journey is simply a battle, a real spiritual battle against the
wall of limitedness in attitude. I'm not against the church or its people
but some of the teachings committed by limited pastors and teachers that
creates this gross ignorance and judgement on others by the wall they build
around themselves from the information that they are taught. I cant stand it
especially when there are things revealing themselves, of themselves and
especially when I post up everything that comes into my mind concerning my
focalisation for my fellow brothers benefit even though its a different
approach.
I don't hide it for price or reward like what everyone else would do in a
stupid book which is out date as soon as its printed and cant be altered as
truth arises.
Anyway I feel I am doing the will of the Father and I'm not sure how much
longer I can do this as there is absolutely no support at all from many
quarters even the Urantia people who once thought it would good has just
faded away. Everyone all my friends have simply faded away in the
background. Even I got ran out of town by a UB forum, that area has it own
problems to.
My only refuge is really here and the Atlantisrising forum who are secular
but there are some Christians their to and their OK, there fine. But I have
my battles there to with the doctrine of Atlantis, having a laugh
ahahahahahahaha.
I must be a crazy Aussie with Dutch genes, the mad Dutchman but that's the
Adamic propensity in there cultural heritage of just going for broke until
the end, in light of all kinds of disasters and stumbling, that's the
determination and persistence effect within their genes. Even Jesus had some
people that believe in what he says but in this case no ones believes
nothing in the research that I am committed to, its total rejection by man.
In the human sense its a real failure what I'm doing. Like with the 1stEden
project, at the end of the day it failed to, even though in Paradise it was
a success but on this planet it went no where and it had no sustainability
even in light of the great truth that lays there.
That I just cant believe the discovery of 1stEden, the land of Adam and Eve
our father and mother, one of the very foundations of our spiritual heritage
which includes the bible and not even a whimper from anyone, let alone the
church! and no interest in the long haul, it was just entertainment and news
fodder for the time. That's how disappointing it was and I can relate to
Jesus in the many failure he saw in mankind in recognizing the truth and
searching it out.
Its a no win situation and the only person that will have to come to the
rescue of this mission is Jesus himself because mankind will not support
anything that I am doing, no support will come from any place. This has been
proven just by the attitude. It has to be Jesus himself that has to come to
the rescue or else this projection/project will just fade away into mire of
thoughts into the dungeon of rejection. I tell you its crying shame, the
hours of energy for all the years the depletion of everything, trying to
find the greater and wider truth which is locked up in the last mystery for
that is where correction will come from. This work truly comes from the
wilderness of absolute isolation where there is no one, no even an helping
hand or not even someone to love nor even a companion, spiritual or physical
and all the while the battle for truth rages on unrelentingly in the battle
against ignorance. Its weary work and I am weary and Jesus must know this as
I spend hours each day sometimes up to 18hrs in many cases only living for
the research in doing the will for the Father and Jesus, each day, everyday,
all full time where the Babylon system is secondary. I have no inspiration
with the Babylon System, there is nothing it can offer that satisfies my
soul like Jesus and the Father and all the angels in the doing of his work,
Jesus' work for his planet.
That's basically the report given to the Ancient of Days by myself! at this
stage of the Sevenfold mission.
Again I apologize if I was a little strong in my previous posts towards you.
I recognize you as good guy and someone who is willing to look into things.
All the best
Sevens
Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 pm
Quote:
I recently heard that Oprah is to begin
discussing "A course in Miracles" on her program.
I think its the work of the last rebel to deceive and to confuse feeble
minds.
It cannot be tested and its just of alteration and deception through the
methods of the last rebel influencing the mind and body of the author
through invitation which began in the moist subtle and what seemed a fun
experience. It ended being rather influencing where it took over the mind
and body but was a decision of her own freewill. Her choice to be used by
the last rebel.
She probably had no idea what the real truth of the matter was and is just
another clever but feeble mind to be used for the purposes of the last
rebel.
Sevens
Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 pm
Quote:
I recently heard that Oprah is to begin
discussing "A course in Miracles" on her program.
I think its the work of the last rebel to deceive and to confuse feeble
minds.
It cannot be tested and its just of alteration and deception through the
methods of the last rebel influencing the mind and body of the author
through invitation which began in the most subtle way and what seemed like a
fun experience. It ended being rather influencing where it took over the
mind and body but was a decision of her own freewill. Her choice to be used
by the last rebel.
She probably had no idea what the real truth of the matter was and is just
another clever but feeble mind to be used for the purposes of the last
rebel.
In the 3rd book there are few fragments where the last
rebel in his pride actually gives himself up in his methods and clearly
reveals his attitude which is completely against the truth as we all know.
Actually after I read the Urantia book I began to read the course of
Miracles and I couldn't get through the first chapter. I knew then that
there was something severely wrong. I felt in my heart. It was like going
from one pole to another like positive to negative.
That was confirmed by the link I gave as I found out a few months ago, my
instinct were right about that book.
Sevens
Reply #17 on:Today at 07:12:40 pm
Sarah
Just remember in the future, that this project to the ancients places and its
verification is for the people of the planet who love truth, beauty and
goodness and this project is especially dedicated to the benefit of Jesus'
people. Israel!
This verification of this journey and the truth that surrounds it in this path
will protect Israel at the end of the day and will lessen the aggression
towards the people of Israel in its ultimate conclusion, through truth and
demonstration on an open playing field of truth using all levels of knowledge
where all knowledge can put on the table and tested through a discovery of
enlightenment in the physical as being led in the books.
The Urantia Book is completely instrumental in this journey to the ancient
places and your resurrection of an awful thread pits itself against the very
path of Jesus that will bring peace to this planet and salvation to the people
of Israel. You, in your quest could be actually be pitting against and
preventing the actual workings of Paradise. Have you ever thought of that?
Only you know in your thoughts and your personal spiritual motivations
conveyed in your words here and in private know where they come from. Words
and motivations that will be looked upon by the Ancient of Days, like us all,
everyone! As in your books of religion of which I respect.
This is the time of test and I have made more in roads and its looking
apparent!
So all the best but be completely aware of the path you seek and always
remember we are defaulted planet and there is much confusion around and
division is the tool of destruction and one without knowing it could be an
agent of the last rebel through various personal conspiracies of the mind on a
track into the mire of deception.
The proof of the last rebel is in the death and destruction and what drives
it, that is everywhere, all over the planet whether it be in spirit or in the
physical.
Anyway you probably flip this all off, in a couldn't give a crapper attitude,
like in one reply I saw, but then I say to you may have already met
your parting of the ways at the gates of attitude! before the great city
through no faith, not even a flicker.
Also I want to add that Robert Sarmast and I are united and we hold the two
major crowns of truth held in the Sevenfold treasury of the planet as being
the discoverers of 1stEden and Dalamatia City and we will not be pitted
against each other in brotherhood because we work for a higher authority of
the planet, the Sevenfold mission. Your attempts will never come close to
breaking this relationship. This is the crowns of the double Kingship of
Semah and Denah, the double kingship related of the double crowns. That
mystery you can find yourself!
Yes, I do feel deceived by you, most definitely by your actions which are the
actions reflective of a deceiver who attempted to deceive me in your words and
expression and pit division and I had a feeling about that the whole time from
my inner voice. By my feelings got in the way but then truth did prevail at
the end of the day as you revealed yourself.
The last rebel through your attempts will not succeed to break this Sevenfold
mission of truth and righteousness especially when things look hopeless and
where darkness in ultimate motivation tries infiltrate.
You have been tested against the measuring rod of faith, truth, beauty and
goodness just in your actions and motivations.
Good luck and all the best for the future.
regards
Sevens
posted
02-15-2008 07:32 PM
Helloooooo up there. ahahahahah
Yoohooooo!
I can hear you, hey look what I just found looking in to this dusty ole
dungeon..
Gee its dusty down here. So many things down here overlooked and never
considered in the thread oh well.
Gotta keep on looking, you just never what we uncover.
ahahahahahaha
sevens
Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:15 am
No worries, I said what I said, lets leave it at
that. III take what you said on board and be extra careful.
Here is another image of the area I'm interested in regarding 2ndEden
Sevens
Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:10 am
Well at the end of the day the 2nd
Garden of Eden could be anywhere to the South between the Narrowest point
between the two rivers.
Maybe I getting a little excited about the wall area in the North but the
long ridge which may have been embellished does fit the measurement of 90km
in the UB exactly from one river to another river in the eastern side of the
ridge where the river meets the Tigris. When you see that the natural wall
and to the South appears to be surrounded by rivers as it forms a natural
triangle protected area surrounded by rivers.
However, the UB seems to suggest that Eden was South of the rivers at its
most closest distance to each other. But the distance of the rivers at its
closets point is 36km, that is not a match. The rivers could of taken a
different track in those days.
In light of that is it possible that the Euphrates and the Tigris had a
different track 38,000 years ago? Where by when you look to the East of the
Euphrates you see this lake where the river still fills. Could it be that in
those days The Euphrates was further to the east filling the lake? leaving a
wider area between the rivers that would match close to 90 km??
Actually I just measured that and its measures to 87 km which is 3km short
but then the Tigris could of been further to the east by a few kilometers at
that time. All questions! If this thought is right I think there would be
nothing left to verify as Babylon city is there and everything would be gone
or blown up.
Essentially, what has to be found out is the ancient river tracks of 38,000
years ago of Both rivers and where it matches to 56 miles or 90 km at the
most narrowest point between the rivers and in its surrounding area some
evidence of the wall may lay. It may be some mound of dirt with a house on
it or near it. I'm sure this could done but again this wont happen for a
long long time. As usual!
With the wall/ridge in the North I'm out to lunch at that currently. Someone
has to go there and find out!
You know anyone in Iraq that might be interested? Any service men want to
get involved in an expedition that may lead to great discovery in light of
the journey? Something a little different and would involve the Iraqi
people! to the path of peace through a discovery....if possible and if it
can be established.
Anyway that's the thoughts so far.
Sevens
Reply #21 on:Today at 09:38:04 pm
I was fooled. If that is the line she takes
nothing much will ever be forth coming from nor will be for the greater
benefit of mankind. That is evident and now I have seen that for myself.
I agree with you.
You know its funny I knew something wasn't right, that inner voice that most
quite voice of wisdom was there the whole time and its that voice that led
me here to witness her motivation and her true light. Especially when she
was trying to make division between Robert Sarmast and myself, just pitting
as a Nodite would operate. Just trying to create division, by pitting
brother against brother. Well, we have the final victory at the end of the
day and those that create division will never make it in the eternal world,
if they operate on the side pitting division amongst mankind!
But on the same token her pride and prejudice would be so great that she
would never really learn anything at the end of the day in light of her so
called intelligence.
Why grandstand like that at the end of the day. Maybe she should read her
own book and live by the wisdom to the letter of her own culture and learn,
rather than post and do the opposite.
Fancy posting that its like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Such a
lack wisdom and such a lack of debate! That's is the measure of her spirit!
sevens
Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:51 am
Assuming that the Euphrates was running
further to the West these are the results I'm getting that may fit the
position of the wall that was built by Adams family.
The wall could be anywhere within a long narrow band. The one measurement
that seems to fit, calculate the potential wall location ending right in
the heart of Baghdad measuring 90km as in the Urantia Book and its
generally at a narrow point but not the narrowest. Tigris however may of
ran a different route more towards the east, as we can see the river have
moved as evidence in the lagoons, evidence of changing tracks.
Here is an image to demonstrate.
Everything has to be questioned, all theories search out for this one like
with all the other cities
Sevens
posted
02-15-2008 10:49 PM
Hey Ishtar,
Thats the problem you knows where the rivers flowed 38,000 years ago. For
all we know it could in a totally different location oarticualry with water
works to control the water.
Thanks for the help with the links.
The only way is to go with heaps of money to finance such an expedition of
knowledge not to mention bodyguards.
I reckon it will be a long time before anyone studies this and goes there.
Gee Saddam really left his destructive mark on the area.
Sevens
posted
02-15-2008 11:00 PM
Hey Ishtar
Just looking around and found this piece
quote:
1. The Voices of the Garden. When
the planetary course of human evolution is attaining its highest biologic
level, there always appear the Material Sons and Daughters, the Adams and
Eves, to augment the further evolution of the races by an actual
contribution of their superior life plasm.
The planetary headquarters of such an Adam and Eve is usually
denominated the Garden of Eden, and their personal seraphim are
often known as the "voices of the Garden. " These seraphim are of
invaluable service to the Planetary Adams in all their projects for
the physical and intellectual upstepping of the evolutionary races.
After the Adamic default on Urantia, some of these seraphim were left
on the planet and were assigned to Adam's successors in authority
I wonder if the Voices of the Garden is
involved in these discoveries.
Oi Oi over here buddy!
Ahh just speculation but sounds nice.
Sevens
posted
02-15-2008 11:00 PM
Hey Ishtar
Just looking around and found this piece
quote:
1. The Voices of the Garden.
When the planetary course of human evolution is attaining its highest
biologic level, there always appear the Material Sons and Daughters, the
Adams and Eves, to augment the further evolution of the races by an actual
contribution of their superior life plasm.
The planetary headquarters of such an Adam and Eve is usually
denominated the Garden of Eden, and their personal seraphim are
often known as the "voices of the Garden. " These seraphim are of
invaluable service to the Planetary Adams in all their projects for
the physical and intellectual upstepping of the evolutionary races.
After the Adamic default on Urantia, some of these seraphim were left
on the planet and were assigned to Adam's successors in authority
I wonder if the Voices of the
Garden is involved in these discoveries.
Oi Oi over here buddy!
Ahh just speculation but sounds nice.
Here is another details about the second Garden
quote:
In the days of the first Eden
Adam had indeed sought to discourage the offering of animal sacrifice so
that Cain had a justifiable precedent for his contentions. It was,
however, difficult to organize the religious life of the second Eden. Adam
was burdened with a thousand and one details associated with the work of
building, defense, and agriculture. , he intrusted the organization of
worship and education to those of Nodite extraction who had served in
these capacities in the first garden; and in even so short a time the
officiating Nodite priests were reverting to the standards and rulings of
pre-Adamic times.
"Being much depressed
spiritually" I can understand Adam for being very depressed. How
depressing it would of been for him. All there plans down the drain just by
a mistake.
and this piece about Cain and Abel
quote:
The observation of Abel's
conduct establishes the value of environment and education as factors
in character development . Abel had an ideal inheritance, and heredity
lies at the bottom of all character; but the influence of an inferior
environment virtually neutralized this magnificent inheritance.
Abel, especially during his younger years, was greatly influenced by
his unfavorable surroundings.
He would have become an entirely different person had he lived to be
twenty-five or thirty; his superb inheritance would then have shown
itself.
While a good environment cannot contribute much toward really overcoming
the character handicaps of a base heredity, a bad environment can very
effectively spoil an excellent inheritance, at least during the younger
years of life.
Good social environment and proper education are indispensable soil and
atmosphere for getting the most out of a good inheritance.
Learning something there.
and this piece which gives an isight into cain
quote:
Cain's life in Mesopotamia
had not been exactly happy since he was in such a peculiar way symbolic of
the default. It was not that his associates were unkind to him, but he had
not been unaware of their subconscious resentment of his presence. But Cain knew that, since he bore no tribal mark, he would be killed by
the first neighboring tribesmen who might chance to meet him. Fear, and
some remorse, led him to repent.
Cain had never been indwelt by an Adjuster, had always been defiant of
the family discipline and disdainful of his father's religion.
But he now went to Eve, his mother, and asked for spiritual help and
guidance, and when he honestly sought divine assistance, an Adjuster
indwelt him. And this Adjuster, dwelling within and looking out, gave
Cain a distinct advantage of superiority which classed him with the
greatly feared tribe of Adam.
And so Cain departed for the land of Nod, east of the second Eden.
He became a great leader among one group of his father's people and
did, to a certain degree, fulfill the predictions of Serapatatia, for he
did promote peace between this division of the Nodites and the Adamites
throughout his lifetime.
He became a great leader among one group of his father's people and
did, to a certain degree, fulfill the predictions of Serapatatia, for
he did promote peace between this division of the Nodites and the Adamites
throughout his lifetime.
Cain married Remona, his distant cousin, and their first son, Enoch,
became the head of the Elamite Nodites. And for hundreds of years
the Elamites and the Adamites continued to be at peace.
Enoch eh! Thats interesting, mmm
Elamite Nodites eh! In the areas where 2nd Susa lays and to the North of
1Susa and 2nd Dilmun all in the Elamite territory but submerged.
Here is an insight of life in the Garden
quote:
3. LIFE IN MESOPOTAMIA
As time passed in the second garden, the consequences of default became
increasingly apparent. Adam and Eve greatly missed their former home of
beauty and tranquillity as well as their children who had been deported to
Edentia. It was indeed pathetic to observe this magnificent couple reduced to
the status of the common flesh of the realm; but they bore their
diminished estate with grace and fortitude.
It was indeed pathetic to observe this magnificent couple reduced to the
status of the common flesh of the realm; but they bore their diminished
estate with grace and fortitude.
Adam wisely spent most of the time training his children and their
associates in civil administration, educational methods, and religious
devotions. Had it not been for this foresight, pandemonium would have
broken loose upon his death. As it was, the death of Adam made little
difference in the conduct of the affairs of his people. But long before
Adam and Eve passed away, they recognized that their children and
followers had gradually learned to forget the days of their glory in Eden.
And it was better for the majority of their followers that they did forget
the grandeur of Eden; they were not so likely to experience undue
dissatisfaction with their less fortunate environment.
"they recognized that their
children and followers had gradually learned to forget the days of their
glory in Eden." Not these days eh!
and this piece
quote:
Adam's caravan had carried the
seeds and bulbs of hundreds of plants and cereals of the first garden with
them to the land between the rivers; they also had brought along extensive
herds and some of all the domesticated animals. Because of this they
possessed great advantages over the surrounding tribes. They enjoyed many
of the benefits of the previous culture of the original Garden.
and this
quote:
The Adamites greatly excelled
the surrounding peoples in cultural achievement and intellectual
development. They produced the third alphabet and otherwise laid the
foundations for much that was the forerunner of modern art, science, and
literature.
Here in the lands between the Tigris and Euphrates they maintained
the arts of writing, metalworking, pottery making, and weaving and
produced a type of architecture that was not excelled in thousands of
years
and this
quote:
Their religious concepts of
Deity and the universe were advanced and more or less accurate, their
health provisions were, for their time, excellent, and their methods of
education have never since been surpassed.
4. THE VIOLET RACE
Adam and Eve were the founders of the violet race of men, the ninth human
race to appear on Urantia. Adam and his offspring had blue eyes, and the
violet peoples were characterized by fair complexions and light hair
color--yellow, red, and brown.
"their methods of education
have never since been surpassed." I believe that
and this
quote:
Adam and Eve and their first
generation of children did not use the flesh of animals for food. They
subsisted wholly upon "the fruits of the trees." After the first
generation all of the descendants of Adam began to partake of dairy
products, but many of them continued to follow a nonflesh diet. Many of
the southern tribes with whom they later united were also nonflesh
eaters. Later on, most of these vegetarian tribes migrated to the east
and survived as now admixed in the peoples of India.
Interesting part about India and
you can still that today! Non flesh diet with many people.
and this about the abilities of Adam
quote:
Both the physical and
spiritual visions of Adam and Eve were far superior to those of the
present-day peoples.
Their special senses were much more acute, and they were able to see
the midwayers and the angelic hosts, the Melchizedeks, and the fallen
Prince Caligastia, who several times came to confer with his noble
successor.
They retained the ability to see these celestial beings for over one
hundred years after the default.
These special senses were not so acutely present in their children and
tended to diminish with each succeeding generation. These special
senses were not so acutely present in their children and tended to
diminish with each succeeding generation.
Here is fragment about the
location of the second garden
quote:
After becoming established in
the second garden on the Euphrates , Adam elected to leave behind as
much of his life plasm as possible to benefit the world after his death.
and connection to the Andites
quote:
Though these candidate mothers
were selected from all the surrounding tribes and represented most of the
races on earth, the majority were chosen from the highest strains of
the Nodites, and they constituted the early beginnings of the mighty
Andite race. These children were born and reared in the tribal
surroundings of their respective mothers.
The great Andite race.
Here is a clue to attitude
quote:
Not long after the
establishment of the second Eden, Adam and Eve were duly informed that
their repentance was acceptable, and that, while they were
Page 852 doomed to suffer the fate of the mortals of their world, they
should certainly become eligible for admission to the ranks of the
sleeping survivors of Urantia. They fully believed this gospel of
resurrection and rehabilitation which the Melchizedeks so touchingly
proclaimed to them. Their transgression had been an error of judgment and
not the sin of conscious and deliberate rebellion.
and lastly this touching piece
between Jesus(Michael and Adam and could also be attached to the ancient
places.
quote:
Adam knew about the dispensational resurrection which occurred
simultaneously with his arrival on the planet, and he believed that he and
his companion would probably be repersonalized in connection with the
advent of the next order of sonship. He did not know that Michael, the
sovereign of this universe was so soon to appear on Urantia; he expected
that the next Son to arrive would be of the Avonal order. Even so, it
was always a comfort to Adam and Eve, as well as something difficult for
them to understand, to ponder the only personal message they ever received
from Michael.
This message, among other expressions of friendship and comfort, said:
"I have given consideration to the circumstances of your default, I
have remembered the desire of your hearts ever to be loyal to my Father's
will, and you will be called from the embrace of mortal slumber when I
come to Urantia if the subordinate Sons of my realm do not send for you
before that time."
And this was a great mystery to Adam and Eve . They could
comprehend the veiled promise of a possible special resurrection in this
message, and such a possibility greatly cheered them, but they could
not grasp the meaning of the intimation that they might rest until the
time of a resurrection associated with Michael's personal appearance on
Urantia. And so the Edenic pair always proclaimed that a Son of God
would sometime come, and they communicated to their loved ones the belief,
at least the longing hope, that the world of their blunders and sorrows
might possibly be the realm whereon the ruler of this universe would elect
to function as the Paradise bestowal Son. It seemed too good to be
true, but Adam did entertain the thought that strife-torn Urantia might,
after all, turn out to be the most fortunate world in the system of
Satania, the envied planet of all Nebadon.
Adam lived for 530 years; he died of what might be termed old age. His
physical mechanism simply wore out; the process of disintegration
gradually gained on the process of repair, and the inevitable end came.
Eve had died nineteen years previously of a weakened heart. They were both
buried in the center of the temple of divine service which
had been built in accordance with their plans soon after the wall of
the colony had been completed. And this was the origin of the
practice of burying noted and pious men and women under the floors of the
places of worship.
Very interesting and touching.
and this beautiful piece
quote:
6. SURVIVAL OF ADAM AND EVE
Adam and Eve went to their mortal rest with strong faith in the
promises made to them by the Melchizedeks that they would sometime
awake from the sleep of death to resume life on the mansion worlds, worlds
all so familiar to them in the days preceding their mission in the
material flesh of the violet race on Urantia.
They did not long rest in the oblivion of the unconscious sleep of the
mortals of the realm. On the third day after Adam's death, the second
following his reverent burial, the orders of Lanaforge, sustained by the
acting Most High of Edentia and concurred in by the Union of Days on
Salvington, acting for Michael, were placed in Gabriel's hands, directing
the special roll call of the distinguished survivors of the Adamic default
on Urantia.
And in accordance with this mandate of special resurrection, number
twenty-six of the Urantia series,
Adam and Eve were repersonalized and reassembled in the resurrection
halls of the mansion worlds of Satania together with 1,316 of their
associates in the experience of the first garden.
Many other loyal souls had already been translated at the time of
Adam's arrival , which was attended by a dispensational
adjudication of both the sleeping survivors and of the living qualified
ascenders.
Adam and Eve quickly passed through the worlds of progressive ascension
until they attained citizenship on Jerusem, once again to be residents of
the planet of their origin but this time as members of a different order
of universe personalities. They left Jerusem as permanent citizens--Sons
of God; they returned as ascendant citizens--sons of man. They were
immediately attached to the Urantia service on the system capital,
later being assigned membership
Page 854 among the four and twenty counselors who constitute the
present advisory-control body of Urantia.
That was beautiful. All of the
above comes this paper in my quest to find clues to the Second Garden
It appears to me that Adam and Eve lived on the Euphrates at the western
side of the Garden between the rivers.
Sevens
« Reply #26 on:Today at
03:24:35 am »
Hi Sarah
I dont find the Book is racist, actually I love my fellow man far better
than before. About its truth, thats why I am on this journey to find the
truth with these places. Actually, I find the bible has certainly many
things to say about people and what was done to them in the name of God,
there are many stories.
Anyway, thats why I would like to discover these places and if do in the
physical, then its a book of truth and will be undeniable. Even though I
believe in its truth already through my experience in the journey.
I dont want to argue any further, everything is matter of opinion at the end
of the day, its just the way it is.
But to me the whole thing is related to attitude, it has nothing to do with
what race you come from but it all has to do with attitude and that is
standard bearer of the end time if it occurs. The attitude is related to
capacity of wisdom and spiritual receptivity to wisdom that I believe can
related to genes and environment. This wisdom I'm talking about is nothing
to with violence or putting people down but it has all to with the Jesus
truth of loving your fellow brother as best you can in light of everything
and with forgiveness.
A lower grade person of no capacity is bad attitude and wouldn't reflect and
think about his action just like raging idiot creating damage in all places
all operating on pride and prejudice.
Well thats my definition.
Sevens
«
Reply #27 on:Today at 03:57:59 am »
Hey punkrockpriestess
Your full of it, why dont you demonstrate rather than just mere opinions
without any data on anything. I met thought adjuster for the first time
today. I dont know anything about Eugenics nor about him. I dont believe
in what Hitler was doing, not at all and I dont believe in eradicating man
just because of the family he was born in.
So you read the Urantia Book eh! and so this is the junction you have reach,
full of assumption and crappy talk of no worth to anyone, showing nothing in
the journey. Just seems to me like the blind leading the blind where the
dead bury the dead. It sure looks like that.
Oh well go of in your pride and prejudice of no value to no one. Lets see
your evidence of anything. Lets see what we can come up in the evidence
that connects to science. On that level I would like to prove the UB. and
it will be much more than what you and the rest of religion could ever come
with. All I see is nothing but hot air of no substance.
What thought adjuster says I cant help, I dont know what he think, he is his
own man with his own individual thoughts. My aim is the harmonization of
the books of religion and the UB and in the evidence. You're a pretty
shallow person the way you think and operate.
Least I had a genuine look at Sarah's books and I was impressed and I made
that known and I showed no pride in that and I thanked her for it, least I
am teachable and your not as in your attitude and your lack receptivity on
the spiritual levels and failure to look into things deeper and wider.
Instead its all based on your present and always been pride and prejudice
and thats where your failure in your destiny lays.
You're full of crap yourself. Crap off somewhere else.
Sevens
« Reply #28 on:Today at
04:19:17 am »
Quote
I
don't believe it to be divinely inspired, I do believe parts of it to be
plagiarized and the book clearly extolls the virtues of racial
superiority.
Sarah, the Urantia book tells you that it draws from the best of current and
past human knowledge, it tells as a matter of fact.
So what the problem if the universe cant exactly give us unearned
information. Also I find there are many hidden clues in the UB and you have
to read really carefully particularly on this journey to the ancient first
places. It so subtle you have to read it with a fine comb tooth because in
itself, it really gives you many clues and you miss them by breezing through
it.
Anyway with the science there many discoveries today
that was not known in 1034 let alone 1955 and relates to the UB truth.
That's why I would like to verify the ancient places and take a trip out to
Dalamatia City and check it out and perhaps lift up these Seven commands.
To me that would be the final test undeniable.
My journey is really is as simple as that! You feelings about the UB I cant
help that, that's your opinion and there is nothing I can do about that and
that's fine. I personally just want to verify these places but the way it
looks its not going to happen for a long long time. Believe it will takes
to get out there.
All I have to put up with is the images from NASA software, that will have
to satisfy me in the interim.
If I overly judgmental myself in one of those posts I apologize!
I'm still human ahahahahahahahah! Thats a big laugh!
Sevens
«
Reply #29 on:Today at 04:35:20 am »
I thought finding Dalamatia City where all the information
brought together was a major revelation. Like the books says its there and
then suddenly you see the triangle city in the images.
Whhooa, what a discovery what a revelation, what a connection and parallel.
That to me that is a revelation for myself.. The Urantia revelation giving me
a revelation even though it was known in the annals of the Sevenfold mission.
No book has demonstrated that, what a revelation!
From what I understand all it takes is for one person to realize something,
then it is earned knowledge through his thoughts and energies. I don't think a
certain amount of people have to know to be classified as earned knowledge, it
could be through a individual realization or a thought after which the
universe up steps to another level there after.
Its only after the revelators have exhausted all human sources of knowledge
that they can rely on the universal banks of knowledge regarding this planet
which in a sense is revelation for us.
Sevens
« Reply #12 on:Today at 05:05:27 am »
I Bianca I thought this could be of some
assistance to you
Quote
One
hundred and thirty-two of this race, embarking in a fleet of small boats
from Japan, eventually reached South America and by intermarriage with the
natives of the Andes established the ancestry of the later rulers of the
Incas. They crossed the Pacific by easy stages, tarrying on the many islands
they found along the way. The islands of the
Polynesian group were both more numerous and larger then than now,
and these Andite sailors, together with some who followed them, biologically
modified the native groups in transit. Many flourishing centers of
civilization grew up on these now submerged lands as a result of Andite
penetration.
Easter Island was long a religious and administrative center of one of
these lost groups. But of the Andites who navigated the Pacific of long ago
none but the one hundred and thirty-two ever reached the mainland of the
Americas.
ub
There seems to be some connection to Lumeria
If it helps your discovery
Sevens
« Reply #6 on:Today at 05:52:19
am »
Im looking for any record of ancient walls.
There might some stuff but in the wrong location unless the rivers narrowed
further south, any its interesting
Ctesiphon is a good defensive position located in a 6 mile long loop of the
Tigris river. The Turks had formed a well camouflaged and formidable line of
trenches crossing the river. There were two lines of trenches, there was
also a twenty foot high ancient wall three
miles south of the main line used for observation by the Turks.
or perhaps it could look like this fragmented
mounds of dirt
Sevens
Im looking for any record of ancient walls.
There might some stuff but in the wrong location unless the rivers narrowed
further south, any its interesting
Ctesiphon is a good defensive position located in a 6 mile long loop of the
Tigris river. The Turks had formed a well camouflaged and formidable line of
trenches crossing the river. There were two lines of trenches, there was
also a twenty foot high ancient wall three
miles south of the main line used for observation by the Turks.
or perhaps it could look like this fragmented mounds of dirt
and this fragment from 1st Book of Adam and Eve, bare in mind that the
inhabitants that fled has groves of that they abandoned.
Quote
Adam
mourns over the changed conditions. Adam and Eve enter the Cave of
Treasures.
1 But Adam and Eve cried for having come out of the garden, their first
home. 2 And indeed, when Adam looked at his flesh, that was altered, he
cried bitterly, he and Eve, over what they had done. And they walked and
went gently down into the Cave of Treasures. 3 And as they came to it, Adam
cried over himself and said to Eve, "Look at this cave that is to be our
prison in this world, and a place of punishment! 4 What is it compared with
the garden? What is its narrowness compared with the space of the other? 5
What is this rock, by the side of those groves?What is the gloom of
this cavern, compared with the
light of the garden? 6 What is this overhanging ledge of
rock to shelter us, compared with
the mercy of the Lord that overshadowed us? 7 What is the soil of this cave
compared with the garden land? This earth, strewed with stones; and that,
planted with delicious fruit trees?" 8 And Adam said to Eve, "Look at your
eyes, and at mine, which before beheld angels praising in heaven; and they
too, without ceasing. 9 But now we do not see as we did; our eyes have
become of flesh; they cannot see like they used to see before." 10 Adam said
again to Eve, "What is our body today, compared to what it was in former days, when we lived in the garden?"
11 After this, Adam did not want to enter the cave, under the overhanging
rock; nor would he ever want to enter it. 12 But he bowed to God's orders;
and said to himself, "Unless I enter the cave, I shall again be a
transgressor."
So obviously there were prepared Groves near the place where the former people
lived, the Cave of Treasures and fled after hearing that Adam was on the way
with his people.
The people that fled went to the east. Note the question mark beside the
Groves? in the text!
Isaiah also mentions not to forget the former things and the definition of the
former things is seen in this verse in the book of Adam and Eve and makes
direct connection to 1stEden of Cyprus.
"to what it was in
former days,
when we lived in the garden?" " This appears
to be a direct link between Isaiah and the the first ancient places which in
this case relates to 1st Eden directly.
Here is something our of Enich that may connection to the former thing, the
1stEden
Quote
1Enoch 89:39
I also saw that the Lord of the sheep produced a
new house,
great and loftier than the former, which He
bounded by the former
circular spot.All its pillars were new,
and its ivory new, as well as
more abundant than the former ancient ivory,which he had brought out.
Very reflective of the journey to ancient places in a literal and in metaphor.
and I like this one to
Quote
1
Enoch 92:17 The formerheaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven
shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for
ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall
externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.
I believe this is the Sevenfold connection of the new earth and heaven and its
is associated with the Sevenfold.
Maybe another connection
Quote
1Enoch27
4 In the days of judgement over the former,
they shall bless Him for the mercy in accordance with 5 which He has
assigned them (their lot).' Then I blessed the Lord of Glory and set forth
His glory and lauded Him gloriously.
It seems that judgement is attached to the former things, which includes the
former things of the past and that have relation to 1stEden.
Moving on
Here is the Isaiah fragment which came to mind before.
Quote
9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none
else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Just states plainly, the former things of relating to 1stEden making the
connection to the book of Adam and Eve.
Here is one from Sarah's book, the Sepher.
Quote
The Third Path is the Sanctifying Intelligence,
and is the basis of foundation of Primordial Wisdom,
which is called the Former of faith, and
its roots, Amen; and
it is the parent of Faith, from which virtues
doth Faith emanate.
Here is a fragment from Haggai but I haven't got the chapter because its late
and Im doing a speed lightning search.
Quote
9
The glory of this latter house shall be greater
thanof the former, saith the Lord
of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.
and here is a curous connection to Jane Lead about the former things
Quote
is
indeed a Sign of the near Approach of the Overthrowing of the Kingdom of
this Anitchristian Beast, may very well be hop’d:
yea there can be no manner of doubt made hereof by them, who are wise to
search into theCalendar of former ages,
or who have but an Ear open to hear and receive what by Truth’s Infallible
Oracle it self deliver’
That was interesting kinda like support for the journey to the ancient places.
Here Isaiah 44
Quote
22
Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen:
let them shew the former things,what they
be, that we may consider them, and know the
latter end of them; or declare us things
for to come.
The above was a powerful and all made sense to the journey. Huge!
And here is Isiaih again
Quote
Isaiah 46.9 Remember the former things of old: for I am
God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Declaring the end from the beginning, and
[color=redfrom ancient times[/color] the things
that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and
I will do all my pleasure:
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Oh, another huge discovery, Isaiah come into my mind before and look how
powerful it is in relation to the journey. Very, very powerful and direct
connection to 1stEden as in the former place mention in Book of Adam and eve.
Real definition.
Oh and another powerful one by Isaiah
Quote
Isaiah 48:2 For they call
themselves of the holy city, and
stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The Lord
of hosts is his name.
3 I have declared the former things from the
beginning; and they went forth out of my
mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.
There you go all about the ancient places and an exact description of this
experience. No doubt about it.
And III end with this interesting piece
Quote
Zechariah 7 11 But they refused to hearken, and
pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
12 Yea, they made their hearts as an
adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the
Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the
former prophets: therefore came a great
wrath from the Lord of hosts.13 Therefore
it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear;
so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the
Lord of hosts:
Zechariah 8 11 But now I will not be unto the
residue of this people as in the former
days,saith the Lord of hosts. 12
For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her fruit, and the
ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I
will cause the remnant of this people to possess
all these things.13 And it shall come to
pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah,
and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye
shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Well the above and all the scripture are completely relevant and judgment is
attached.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm done and doing my
job, if no one hears and makes fun or spurns and scorns this project, thats
your problem, not mine, all I know is that judgement is attached via the
connection of the definition of the former things as in the book of Adam and
eve relating to 1Eden and connected with the prophets and scriptures of all
places and there is more to go. But it late.
So I believe the parting of the ways is directly related to the former places
and the former things which are the same.
Good luck everyone, because all will need it at a time place that no one knows
it will just happen.
Sevens
posted
02-16-2008 01:47 PM
I think they were a reflection of a
true reality that became a legend and perpetuated through the lands in all the
worlds as man migrated.
If you think it is all imagination then you then Plato was imagination as he
refers to the Gods or the Immortals in the Land of Atlantis.
An immortal are regarded as Gods.
Sure some of the stories seem far fetched but I believe there is a source
truth that begins as a truth and becomes a legend but over the tine it gets
expanded which is natural and also migrates to different parts and then is
adopted in the local area or close by and then confusion begins to set in. Not
to mention other races adopting the legend of another place as being there
own.
Like we have today.
Sevens
Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:06 am
Whatever I'm too tired to reply Just look
around you and look at the attitude. There is no love everyone is just an
arsehole with there views but nothing going on.
Its all over the world and its the attitude of Belligerence and Bellicose,
that is a sign Gene step down in attitude, The Nodite attitude. Israel knows
all about it and they surrounded by it, where does that come from?? Limited
spiritual receptivity that leads to bad interpretation and to death and
destruction, I believe it is related to Genes in a large way which is the
physical foundation, the physical viechle, from there I believe capacity is
related of spiritual receptivity.
Would you marry an arsehole of the above description for example.
Its in the attitude not in the race of where someone comes from
I disagree with you and I think the way you look at things is narrow, based on
pride and prejudice in your own heart which something completely different to
the kingdom of heaven
Hey you're in a band what words do you sing? What is your witness??
One thing I can say the ub has led to us to physical discoveries that man
never knew about so it must be representative of something greater than just
what you think with attitude, so how could there be anything objective when
your ideas and thoughts are already laced with mires of thought and non
demonstration in action.
I don't believe you read the whole book, I don't buy the crap from you, you
display the opposite attitude to its teachings.
Who are you, why should I even listen to you or even accept anything you say
that is nothing but Negative, looking at life with the worst view!, you have
never proved you self at all for me to respect anything you put forward.
Regardless of anything and there so called opinions, The Ub and its truths
just kick your ass in the demonstration and there is many people you know that
already and they are afraid that the rug is slipping from there pride filled
attitude. The ancient places, the first and second temples of the Father you
will never overcome and that is the wall that all you people will come against
and never succeed to break down. Because it is there and if its truth and can
be demonstrated, then its true! ahahahahahahahah!
And that is the final victory in ultimate truth
of ourselves.
About Kellogs and all his thoughts, Who gives a crapper, who gives a damn, I
don't
care. Big deal! his thoughts amongst many. So what about your feelings about that.
He is not the driving force of the UB!
Test on somebody else who cares!
I know exactly the journey that it has taken me and I am very impressed and I
have tested it and I am very satisfied about the Book.
Write a few more songs.
When man is called upon in measurement which I believe is related to the
ancients places, the former things, it will be based on attitude and has
absolutely nothing to do with race or eugenics, nothing like that, We all
have Nodite blood and its the truth of Jesus that helps us to avoid that
belligerent and bellicose propensity.
Everyone has a view even Kellogs and yourself but dont blame the Urantia Book
or use someones opinions of the 1930 in a world which is largely different
today, do we talk about Eugenics, no. Thats you raising the subject not us or
urantia people. Views of the past was for that thought at the time but views
can change like your views in light of truth in the evidence, even in light of
truth as demonstrated, people hold on to there pride and prejudice. Everyone
has a personal view like Saddler and Kellogg, you have a view I have a view,
its is a free country to have a view, isn't it or we supposed to think like
you all of a sudden.
What is that wrong with a man you had some thoughts over 70+ years ago when
today we live in a different world and things have moved on. Holding to past
with judgment, as usual, your no different from anyone who live in the past
and use it as a defense or even an attack!
How about something new and inspiring to mankind! for a change!
Heard the term "you either have it or you don't!" What does that relate in
highest sense? Attitude! got nothing to do with race and stupid Eugenics, I'm
really sick of that word! That is something I dont believe in and you have to
use it against people who dont even relate to it.
Today, I worked with Lebanese people and their children and I found them very
nice people and they are nice because they live in a peaceful multicultural
environment and therefore there love shines in their love and kindness, an
attitude that helps us all and they are very much accepted in our society. It
is pleasing to me to have people from all over the world to live here and
gives this country much diversity. The Muslim people over here have no desire
to kill or destroy there fellow man here because he has the right attitude
formulated in an accepting society. I also like the Souvlakis and there food.
That's the aim of the Urantia Book and Jesus, just in that example alone. In
kindness and respect for one another, we feel love for another an attitude
that Jesus promotes and they were Muslims to and I have no problem with these
people in their kindness and friendliness that I experienced today!
What is destroying Lebanon today, Religious pride filled attitude in the
pursuance of death and destruction with belligerence and Bellicose attitudes,
purely and a lack of expansion and spiritual receptivity in the action. An
attitude perpetuated to destroy from some religious bias. Attitude!
I'm just curious, Has crime increased in the US since the 1930s and why?
and why? Attitude and an unhealthy environment full of aggression even in the
music. eh! Where the people are fed crap and dumbed down with all the crap
that they are given. The so called free world that binds man into this
perception that becomes ruinous to him! In the long term! Where does that come
from? Kids even shoot there fellow class mates at school, that is the evidence
that something is definitely wrong and unprecedented and everyone can take
responsibly for that in there attitude and there lack of love, using society
as a total money making venture! in utter selfishness and greed and self
proclaiming without substance and based on no evidence.
Why we are even loosing the planet and you know
that and your truth has done nothing to change that or has it? or has it
contributed to its destruction with your own voice in attitude against man in
general and the truths that are arising!
So what are we going to do about this mess we
live in. You and me, what are we going to do in our personal efforts to help
people in truth? in ultimate truth that can be demonstrated eh! what!
Really speaking we don't live in a free world,
not at all in truth. We just live in a world full selfishness and self
proclamation with absolutely very little substance and full of self motivation
to satisfy ones ego rubbish.
The journey to the ancient places, the first and second temple of the Father
was foreseen from all the prophets in every culture including the discovers
and who they are and their lives, the discoverers hold the crowns of truth
from the truth treasury of the planet, its a double kingship, the double
kingdom of Semah and Denah and its a kingship of oneness and
brotherhood, the highest spiritual accolade and compliment and much
information have been uncovered that points directly to this journey and can
be demonstrated. The information was embedded in the vast array of books
where the only ones that would crack the mystery would recognize themselves
during the journey!
It is the greatest timeline experience in the beforehand in faith, way beyond
anything man could construct in his faithless current attitude.
Sevens
Reply #37 on:Today at 05:30:10 pm
I think the greatest Paradox in all this is that
the discoverer of 1stEden is of Iranian descent. Did the Father in the
kingdom of Heaven ever care about what race he came from ...NO, not at all.
But because brother Semah had the right attitude and because he loves the
Father in heaven, he desired to go out in faith in his efforts in finding
the truth of 1stEden, the Atlantis of the Med and the Father helped him, as
the Father helped me in my discovery. Its because we operated from the
heart with right attitude with a real desire to find truth in faith in light
of what was written and we were utterly sincere in our efforts.
I see King Semah as a good faith brother who walks in faith in light truth,
beauty and goodness and that's why this double kingdom will live forever
because in spirit it comes from eternity and this little kingdom is
completely respected in the halls of Paradise and is completely respected
and documented in the annals of the system capitals and it is out of this
kingdom that will really further and foster the truth for this planet and it
is the viechle for positive change with real respect for the planet and for
the Father and man as one in love for one another.
This kingdom will be upheld after the judgment of attitude and the sorting
and the parting of the ways of man. The sorting of the ways will be purely
in the attitude and motivation of the induvidual and is not related to race!
nor in borders.
This Kingdom is the true Israel or the Zion, its is a
spiritual kingdom that embraces all man from all walks of life. Its a
kingdom that is not related to borders or race but in the attitude! it is
the Kingdom which is led by Jesus, this universe sovereign, commander and
chief and I am utterly proud of that.
This Kingdom will be upheld above any other Kingdom of the planet,
currently! This Kingdom might be minuscule with no resources but it is
spiritually rich and wealthy and the Father respects this Kingdom more than
any other Kingdom on this planet because it is based on the ultimate truth
and does qualify! This Kingdom will survive and be brought forward to the
new world as that is fast approaching because truth has been realized, we
have broken through! When realization occurs then all things move into the
next level in the process of time/space. It is the Kingdom of which
its people will inherit everything on the Planet after the judgement of
attitude!
The Father is completely true to his word and will work with anyone
regardless who they are as long as they are truthful, sincere, loving
towards their fellow man and teachable with the right attitude, it is above
race, eugenics and that stuff.
You could even write a true and loving song about it that touches the heart
of mankind with love? ahahahahahahahah!
sevens
« Reply #36 on:Today at 06:29:13 am
»
with all your stuff from the above that came
from the below.
THE URANTIA BOOK PART III - THE HISTORY OF URANTIA
PAPER 78 - THE VIOLET RACE AFTER THE DAYS OF ADAM Page 871
Can you put up the whole paper where all can see and read in perspective
rather than these statement to prove your point with motive that is entirely
destructive and full of attitude!
Go on, do that, be fair at least!
Sevens
posted
02-17-2008 05:58 AM
The Ark was just a simple house boat
with their own animals and a family that went through a flood, the story was
recorded and was later expanded by captives to suit their religion at the
time, they never foresaw the confusion it would create today and is leading
wrong notions mixed in with doctrine, The flood of Noah was local event to
Mesopotamia and never flooded the whole earth 8000 years ago. That's religion
in convenience to for their doctrine.
An true event that was expanded with motivation. Just another myth that was
adopted and set in their own ideology to suit the circumstances.
That's just the way it is, sorry!
Sevens
posted
02-17-2008 06:02 AM
Absolutely, right on! I believe that story more than any
other Noah story, the other ones are just expanded fallacy's with the usual
pride and prejudice.
Mind you Babylon financed the Second temple so when the came back to
Jerusalem, the priests they replaced knew that the Noah's rendition was
expanded and false but could do nothing about it since the second temple was
financed by Babylon and since the rebuilding of the second temple it was
controlled by the Jewish priest that were influenced by many Mesopotamian
beliefs and it has been that way ever since.
Why even Job and much of the Psalms come from Mesopotamia including many
proverbs and including Daniel and Second Isaiah. All from Mesopotamia, the
Bible we read today really has much of Mesopotamia in it.
Sevens
Hi Sampson
Quote:
Hi Chap; yes there will be false
signs and wonders in the last days,
What are the false signs and wonders? Would that be unsubstantiated claims?
that cannot be proven.
Could you literally define false signs and wonders.
The mysterious anomaly beneath the ice of Antarctica that is in the shape of
Plato's circular city of Atlantis:
Hey Stacy have you ever considered that this might be representative of
something else. The angels do work in the poles of the planet , thats where
they jettison of to other parts of the universe usually transporting a soul
from the poles thats where the apparent energy they require for this feat is
concentrated of which connects with the universal energy circuits lanes that
lays between planets and solar systems.
What was uncovered could be the homes of the angels, like in Superman.
I really enjoyed those pics.
The emblem is representative of Paradise.
or it could simply be a simple natural anomaly! it would be good to check out.
Here is some research that I believe
might point to the home of the Angels and may connect with the above image.
Quote
Electric disturbances in the air and in the earth were also decreasing.
The lava flows had brought to the surface a mixture of elements which
diversified the crust and better insulated the planet from certain
space-energies. And all of this did much to
facilitate the control of terrestrial energy and to regulate its flow,as is disclosed by the functioning of the
magnetic poles.
The erroneous idea that angels possess wings is not wholly due to olden
notions that they must have wings to fly through the air.
Human beings have sometimes been permitted to
observe seraphim that were being prepared for transport service,
and the traditions of these experiences have
largely determined the Urantian concept of angels. In observing a
transport seraphim being made ready to receive a passenger for
interplanetary transit, there may be seen what are apparently double sets
of wings extending from the head to the foot of the angel. In reality
these wings are energy insulators--friction shields.
When celestial beings are to be enseraphimed for transfer from one world
to another, they are brought to the
headquarters of the sphere and, after due registry, are inducted
into the transit sleep. Meantime, the transport seraphim moves into a
horizontal position
immediatelyabove the universe energy pole
of the planet.
While the energy shields are wide open, the sleeping personality is
skillfully deposited, by the officiating seraphic assistants, directly on
top of the transport angel. Then both the upper and lower pairs of shields
are carefully closed and adjusted.
Could this be the home of the "the universe energy pole of the planet." the
headquarters of the Seraphim's. The 3 concentric circles is the emblem of
Paradise and of the Angles including the Sage of Salem, Machiventa
Melchizedek. Could this be the great headquarters of the planet of the Angels
including the Melchizedeks, in the most isolated part of the planet under all
that ice.
To me it looks very convincing. If this is right, what another discovery.
Glory be!!
And what about this fragment
Quote
It was an eventful day on Urantia when our
small group gathered about
the planetary pole of space communicationand received the first message from Salvingtonover the newly established mind circuit of the
planet. And this first message, dictated by the chief of the
archangel corps, said:
"To the Life Carriers on Urantia--Greetings! We transmit assurance of
great pleasure on Salvington, Edentia, and Jerusem in honor of the
registration on the headquarters of Nebadon of the signal of the existence
on Urantia of mind of will dignity. The purposeful decision of the twins
to flee northward and segregate their offspring from their inferior
ancestors has been noted. This is the first decision of mind--the human
type of mind--on Urantia and automatically establishes the circuit of
communication over which this initial message of acknowledgment is
transmitting."
Far out could the images in the above of Antarctic be the home and
headquarters of the Angels?
And this beautiful piece
Quote
The Jerusem sending station is located at the opposite pole
of the sphere.All broadcasts to the
individual worlds are relayed from the system capitals except the Michael
messages, which sometimes go direct to their destinations over the
archangels' circuit.
And this beautiful hint at the location of the homes of the Angels and
Seraphims
Quote
The Inspired Spirits are the solitary Spirits of the universe of
universes. As Spirits they are very much like the Solitary Messengers
except that the latter are distinct personalities. We obtain much of our
knowledge of the Inspired Spirits from the Solitary Messengers, who detect
their nearness by virtue of an inherent sensitivity to the presence of the
Inspired Spirits which functionsjust as
unfailingly as a magnetic needle points to a magnetic pole.When a Solitary
Messenger is near an Inspired Trinity Spirit, he is conscious of a
qualitative indication of such a divine presence and also of a very
definite quantitative
Father whose personality
Lucifer and Satan had questioned--in the presence of the forgathered hosts
of loyal personalities, he displayed the banner of Michael, the material
emblem of the Trinity government of all creation, the three azure
blue concentric circles on a white background.
Just amazing, we could of discovered the physical home of operations of the
celestials
Then you have this anomaly
Intriguing to say the least and thought provoking!
Sevens
« Reply #8 on:Today at 01:45:19
am »
Well tell me something. Didn't modern man
eradicate the Neanderthals?
And why did he do that?
I'm mean race wars have been going for thousands of years, what do you think
man was super sophisticated like you in those days.
You guys are just stuck on this point where you fail everything else, in your
fear and pride of so called knowledge which is only a quote and a side
comment, no analysis just crappy comments of the Mothers club of things they
cant get over!
By the way Races of these day do have attitude and in some cases they destroy
the other man because of religious BIAS. Dafur is a good example. Do you
think the attitude is of high quality there, where one part of the race
destroy the other over religion and China finances it because they want the
oil and couldn't give a crapper for anyone. Its just ridiculous! the whole
subject where you have man, killing man based over religion over stupid race.
Just say the exterminators were in charge of the planet, what a disaster for
mankind! that would be if that attitude prevailed.
Have we changed from the past? NO, its in the evidence, The Ub is only
stating the obvious of what man has and still does to the other man. Also
the UB talks about truth, beauty and goodness towards one another. How does
that relate to racist.
By the way didn't Joshua of the Israelis decimate human populations because
they were another race and they weren't in the so called plan of God.
Every culture is so guilty of race extermination and still today they bring on
this race superior attitude which is wrong. Like with what happened to the
Armenians that people forget who were nearly exterminated by the Turks. What
a superior decision eh! Rubbish, sounds like a bunch of inferior people in
the attitude that caused this disaster.
The Urantia people dont talk about this stuff because we have better things to
get on to, its only you guys that are stuck in the mud with your racial views
making a mountain out of mound. I like everyman if they are respectful.
Its only you guys that bring up this crappy subject making a big deal on
everything you cant get over about the UB with stained crappy glasses, it just
a sample of your own hypocrisy of your self when your own forefathers knocked
of a few people because of who they were. Gee the destruction of the US
Indians is a great example and they weren't the inferior people but the people
who decimated their culture which includes your linage Buddy took the inferior
attitude thinking they were superior.
Every culture is guilty, you know that, we all know that, so dont come on this
race crap and try blame the UB for everything when it simply states the truth
of the attitude of man in that time.
Who gives a damn when we can all work together regardless of race. Your all
racist as far I'm concerned.
I suppose you guys with a critical mind think you all superior eh! the great
intelligence that does nothing for no one only if it suits your own selfish
attitudes in life and your self styled ego way out of place especially when
you have never proved your studies and anything.
You are subject to fear the whole way through. You guys make truth, beauty
and goodness look ugly!
Using the American Indian is an example of a superior race where an inferior
race from Europe with their superior technology coming over the Americas,
decimating the American Indian people who were superior in their spirituality
and look at the inferior things you did to them. This your legacy on the
dirty things you did on this race destruction bandwagon. Hypocrisy to the max
when you have your own forefathers sinning in attitude towards another race
because of bloody land and materialism driven by greed and utter selfishness.
You even enslaved other races to do your work that you were to lazy to do
yourself!
You did that not the UB.
By the way were you there to witness all this, all the thousands of years
ago? No, only the angels were there and they know exactly what happened.
Sevens
« Reply #13 on:Today at 02:20:16
am »
I work with a number of races being a UB reader
and I dont have any problems at all, actually I'm interested in a man from
another race to find out more about his culture.
I'm quite happy to work with any race.
Insulting, you're insulting in your ultimate motivation and Ive got to waste
time in defending the UB truth, a truth that accomplished more things than
what anyone on this planet has done in the discovery.
I find you absolutely insulting with your attitude!
I'd rather discover something fresh and new so we can all move on to greener
pastures instead of wasting time.
On the opposite we have a secular society and that has done nothing to bring
man to love one another we have more death and destruction upon race even in
light of the UN, they have all failed miserably! They cant do a thing about
it.
Yes, in some ways religion has failed, I agree and that is exactly why it has
to be up stepped and that's reason for these discoveries for the new future of
man.
Hey Melissa, instead of combating
why don't we try to do something that destroys racism and race related warfare
coupled with limited religion.
We can do this through truth in the demonstration.
sevens
« Reply #14 on:Today at 02:26:29
am »
To give us an insight to the mind of God is
given in the UB as a fresh approach and its for all the benefit of all mankind
not one race but for all races, and the UB is supported by the discovery of
the ancient places as written, 1stEden and Dalamatia city and the other
places! This is the confirmation for man if he is spiritually receptive to
see this and can see beyond his own bias and crap on life.
Hey Melissa, instead of combating why don't we try to do something that
destroys racism and race related warfare coupled with limited religion.
We can do this through truth in the demonstration of exploration and discovery
leading to enlightenment and spreading of the word of truth in the real sense
that people can read it and see it where they can make their own decision
based on the facts without compulsion or being forced by fear. Like what
everyone does on this planet!
And here is another very interesting piece, a signal that came from another
galaxy but who knos the reality even the scientists are baffled and
specualting.
Maybe all these things are coming into conjunction in the parallel as we
further discover the real truth of everything including ourselves.
Sevens
posted
02-18-2008 05:09 AM
Evolution/Creation is both creation with
purpose over a time process of millions of years, like what the evolutionist
speak of, through the transmutation process of Genes into new species and
modified species. There are so many factors but essentially I believe its to
both in short.
However events of the species, like ours seem to follow a cyclical process's
in our experience especially towards one another. In breakdown and then anew.
Sevens
posted
02-18-2008 05:43 AM
Well looks like the 2nd garden of
Eden was destroyed during the floods
based on this
quote:
These floods completed the
disruption of Andite civilization. With the ending of this period of deluge,
the second garden was no more. Only in the south and among the Sumerians
did any trace of the former glory remain .
Looks we will never find remnants of 2nd Eden, as it was completely destroyed
during the flood season 8,000 years ago.
I suppose everyone is happy now!
ahahahahahahahah OOHHH well! that's the way it goes!
Sevens
« Reply #40 on:Today at 02:47:25
pm »
Oh were did you come from, finally resurrected
out of your hiding place. I say to you...No! Ive put up much information in
the whole time, you research it. You know my websites.
Im not answering your question until you give me a full explanation of
yourself, why should I justify myself to you when you have not demonstrated a
thing in all the years Ive been releasing unconditionally in this project.
Oh were did you come from, finally resurrected
out of your hiding place. I say to you...No! Ive put up much information in
the whole time, you research it. You know my websites.
Im not answering your question until you give me a full explanation of
yourself, why should I justify myself to you when you have not demonstrated a
thing in all the years Ive been releasing unconditionally in this project.
How about you tell me your thoughts first
Quote
It is my contention that it is
at odds with the teachings of Jesus Christ.
No, You tell me why
It just seems like a convenient time that your jumping on this bandwagon.
I have seen nothing of yours that is impressive or at least demonstrates a
thing particularly in your attitude. You just faded away.
Kick the boots in with you so called intellect without soul or spirit
especially when you haven't demonstrated not one single thing.
You're just like all the other people ready to denigrate!
You explain your faith with demonstration for a change, typical of the do
nothing in the armchair judgement configuration who does nothing for no one
only if it suits your convenience at the moment especially for your ego.
Your not worth justifying to. and I have found you unworthy for such in your
attitude that I remember and is recorded. What do you know about Jesus in
your words and attitude?? particularly when you do nothing for no one only if
there is dollar in it or something that boosts your ego.
Go away man, I have no respect for you. Get of your backside and do a little
research yourself I'm not giving you any pearls. That's a waste! I know that
already and I'm not going to be ambushed by you and your so called intellect
Go join your mates or go back to that church in your so called judgement
attitude.
Look around mate, where is the great church in the DOING, all talk and doing
nothing to help man, all hiding in the church in defensive mode, like cowards
running for their hills hiding under a stone protecting their fallible
doctrine.
Its just crap! at odds with Jesus, give me a break, already the judgement
begins, typical! You not even in the fight for truth, not even in the race
that is demonstrated! Not even in for battle for Jesus and his truth, not the
churches they have not demonstrated a thing in ultimate truth and they are
slack and slothful like yourself.
Look at the world we live in and where is the church in the fight for truth,
no where to be seen all hiding and using government for a shield in their own
purpose in beginning wars throughout the world.
Sevens
posted
02-18-2008 02:33 PM
I suppose in this realm it may
appear to be random and probably is to a degree but I believe its overseen
somewhat, from what I understand. Sorry if my answer is not that sufficient at
this moment.
Man On man this is all a battle at the moment, not with you off course but now
I fighting a front of 4 armies trying to breakdown and denigrate all the work.
Not here so much but in other forums and UB people are no where to be seen all
hiding a stone as well sitting on the fence!
Well I suppose I asked for it
ahahahahahahahah
Oh well, what a laugh, all this conflict over faith, belief and discovery.
Typical, I suppose!
sevens
« Reply #41 on:Today at 04:03:37 pm »
Somebody sent me these links.
Stating we live on the "Planet of the Apes" in the attitude and there
is nothing I can do about it if people don't think for themselves and see for
themselves under the mire of thoughts and randomness in attitude driven by ego
and bias with prejudice.
We really have Ape mentality and we are the most sinful and darkest planet in
all the 7 super universes, one trillion inhabited planets and this planet of
the Apes is at the lowest step, the very bottom of the list in regards
to truth and righteousness. Other planets just dont operate the we do even
other fallen planets are not at this level. That's why Jesus came here being
the most spiritually darkest planet and still we act like like they do on the
"Planet of the Apes" which is ourselves in reflection.
And here is video as a reflection of ourselves on the "Planet of the Apes"
Earth with the attitude of the Apes.
This is an example of how low we have degenerated and have become, even in
light of the truth of Jesus and his teachings, we still act like apes.
That is about the mentality of the whole thing. So spare me all the crap! Yes
YOU make beautiful things look ugly because you have Ape mentality! in your
stupid fear and bias thinking that you are superior over others with your
silly intellect which is so limited to the level of an Ape at the end of the
day! and cannot demonstrate at the end of the day!
Why even the animal world, which is nearly extinct by the Apes of this planet
don't even plot against each other and lay ambushes like the earth Apes do. We
are lower than the Planet of the Apes in our self styled ego driven attitude!
The Apes of this planet even destroy the planet we live on and every ape here
contributes and does nothing to help anyone let alone the planet in there
utter selfishness in their crappy ego and bulls**t at the end of the day!
And that is the status of the planet, "The Planet of the Apes"
mentality!
Enjoy the reflection of yourselves APES!
Sevens
posted
02-18-2008 11:05 PM
Sure Tartesso wasn't just the Sea people
kingdom? I also heard that Sea people who could have origins back to the first
captivity of Israel from the Assyrians who then assimilated with the Assyrian
culture and traveled quite a bit spreading culture. May be they lost their
Israeli culture along the way?? in that time and spawned a new people a new
culture!. Maybe the Sea people where long descendants of the Israelis.
I agree with you on the local event of Noah's story 8000 years ago, that flood
whilst it destroyed Mesopotamia it never covered the whole earth!
sevens
« Reply #43 on:Today at 01:10:59
am »
I dont respect the commentaries at all because
you have not proven a thing on any level except doctrine and you aspersions
will fail at the end of the day.
Before you read the following lets go to the great proposal of religion that
will prove itself in the great contest of truth in the discovery
Judgement of attitude will come from the former things and the former
things is 1stEden and Dalamatia City.
here is some research I did a few days ago on 2nd Eden using all the books
of religion not just the one book that you look at in a narrow way.
Starting with The 1book of Adam and Eve 300BC
Quote
Adam mourns over the changed conditions. Adam and Eve enter the Cave
of Treasures.
1 But Adam and Eve cried for having come out of the garden, their
first home. 2 And indeed, when Adam looked at his flesh, that was
altered, he cried bitterly, he and Eve, over what they had done. And
they walked and went gently down into the Cave of Treasures. 3 And as
they came to it, Adam cried over himself and said to Eve, "Look at
this cave that is to be our prison in this world, and a place of
punishment! 4 What is it compared with the garden? What is its
narrowness compared with the space of the other? 5 What is this
rock, by the side of those groves? What is the gloom of this
cavern, compared with the light of the garden? 6 What is this
overhanging ledge of rock to shelter us, compared with the
mercy of the Lord that overshadowed us? 7 What is the soil of this
cave compared with the garden land? This earth, strewed with stones;
and that, planted with delicious fruit trees?" 8 And Adam said to Eve,
"Look at your eyes, and at mine, which before beheld angels praising
in heaven; and they too, without ceasing. 9 But now we do not see as
we did; our eyes have become of flesh; they cannot see like they used
to see before." 10 Adam said again to Eve, "What is our body today,
compared to what it was in former days,
when we lived in the garden?"11 After this, Adam did not
want to enter the cave, under the overhanging rock; nor would he ever
want to enter it. 12 But he bowed to God's orders; and said to
himself, "Unless I enter the cave, I shall again be a transgressor."
So obviously there were prepared
Groves near the place where the former people lived, the Cave of Treasures
and fled after hearing that Adam was on the way with his people.
The people that fled went to the east. Note the question mark beside the
Groves? in the text!
Isaiah also mentions not to forget the former things and the definition of
the former things is seen in this verse in the book of Adam and Eve and
makes direct connection to 1stEden of Cyprus.
"to
what it was in former days, when we lived in the garden?"" This appears to be a direct link between
Isaiah and the the first ancient places which in this case relates to 1st
Eden directly.
Here is something our of Enoch that may connection to the former thing,
the 1stEden
Quote
1Enoch 89:39 I also saw that theLord of the sheepproduced a new house,
great and loftier than the former,
which He bounded by the former
circular spot.All its pillars were
new, and its ivory new, as well as
more abundant thanthe former ancient
ivory, which he had brought out.
Very reflective of the journey to
ancient places in a literal and in metaphor.
Hence the
circular spot of the former, Dalamatia City, The first temple
of the Father
and again the co
planar circles of 1stEden, the 2nd Temple of the Father
The verification
and fulfillment of the above Enoch verse all circular spots, the
confirmation!
and I like this one to
Quote
1 Enoch 92:17
The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall
appear; and all the celestial powers shine
with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall
there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in
righteousness.
I believe this is the Sevenfold connection
of the new earth and heaven and its is associated with the Sevenfold.
Maybe another connection
Quote
1Enoch27
4 In the days of judgement over the former,
they shall bless Him for the mercy in accordance with 5 which He has
assigned them (their lot).' Then I blessed the Lord of Glory and set
forth His glory and lauded Him gloriously.
It seems that judgement is attached to the
former things, which includes the former things of the past and that have
relation to 1stEden.
Moving on
Here is the Isaiah fragment which came to mind before.
Quote
9 Remember the former things of old:
for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like
me,
Just states plainly, the former things of
relating to 1stEden making the connection to the book of Adam and Eve.
Here is one from Sarah's book, the Sepher.
Quote
The Third Path is the Sanctifying Intelligence, and is
the basis of foundation of Primordial
Wisdom,which is called the Former of
faith, and its roots, Amen;
and it is the parent of Faith, from which
virtues doth Faith emanate.
Here is a fragment from Haggai but I
haven't got the chapter because its late and Im doing a speed lightning
search.
Quote
9 The glory of this latter house shall
be greater than of the former, saith the Lord of hosts: and in
this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts.
and here is a curious connection to Jane
Lead about the former things
Quote
is indeed a Sign of the near Approach of
the Overthrowing of the Kingdom of this Anitchristian Beast,
may very well be hop’d: yea there can be no manner of doubt made
hereof by them, who are wise to search into
the Calendar of former ages, or who
have but an Ear open to hear and receive what byTruth’s Infallible Oracle it self
deliver’
That was interesting kinda like support for
the journey to the ancient places.
Here Isaiah 44
Quote
22 Let them bring them forth, and shew
us what shall happen: let them shew
the former things, what they be,
that we may consider them, and
know the latter end of them; or
declare us things for to come.
The above was a powerful and all made sense
to the journey. Huge!
And here is Isaiah again
Quote
Isaiah 46.9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none
else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Declaring the end from the beginning, and
from ancient times the
things that are not yet done,
saying, My counsel shall stand, and I
will do all my pleasure:
Oh, another huge discovery, Isaiah came
into my mind before and look how powerful it is in relation to the
journey. Very, very powerful and direct connection to 1stEden as in the
former place mention in Book of Adam and eve. Real definition.
Oh and another powerful one by Isaiah
Quote
Isaiah 48:2 For they call themselves of
the holy city, and stay themselves
upon the God of Israel;The Lord of
hosts is his name.
3 I have declared the former things from
the beginning; and they went forth
out of my mouth, and I shewed them;I
did them suddenly, and they came to
pass.
There you go all about the ancient places
and an exact description of this experience. No doubt about it.
And III end with this interesting piece.
Quote
Zechariah 7 11 But they refused to
hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that
they should not hear. 12 Yea, they made their hearts as an
adamant stone, lest they should hear
the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in
his spirit by the former prophets:
therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it
is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they
cried, and I would not hear, saith the Lord
of hosts:
Zechariah 8 11 But now I will not be unto the residue of this people
as in the former days, saith the Lord
of hosts. 12 For the seed shall be prosperous; the vine shall give her
fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall
give their dew; and I will cause the remnant
of this people to possess all these things. 13 And it shall
come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of
Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save
you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be
strong.
Well the above and all the scripture are
completely relevant and judgment is attached.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm done and doing my job, if no one hears and
makes fun or spurns and scorns this project, thats your problem, not mine,
all I know is that judgement is attached via the connection of the
definition of the former things as in the book of Adam and eve relating to
1Eden and connected with the prophets and scriptures of all places and
there is more to go.
So I believe the parting of the ways is directly related to the former
places and the former things which are the same.
Good luck everyone, because all will need it at a time place that no one
knows it will just happen.
Sevens
-------------------------------------
This is a demonstration of all the books of
religion being used, not just one book and Calvin you will fail and the JWs
you represent.
You are in the failure already. You and your doctrine and church. Jesus
will not recognize you! even though you have you used his name to get FAT.
You are on a sinking ship and religion on the whole has failed man and this
planet and the Father will bring in his own truth and will bring your church
to its knees because of your hypocrisy. You will be left behind and so will
your church because of such a poor attitude and dispersions against the new
book and it will come from the former places.
Also the church is responsible for many millions of deaths and that will be
corrected in such poor doctrine.
The problem is you are to deep to be corrected because of your doctrine of
pride and prejudice.
So let go and prove the point, let go to the ancient places, I'm ready are
you? The JWs are Fat with money because of the emotional blackmail you have
placed the congregation under using doctrine as a tool and a weapon against
man especially in the tithing system to make your system of things stronger.
You have robbed mankind and accumulated money in the name of Jesus from
mankind which really belongs to Jesus. Well lets use Jesus' money to do a
few expeditions, your church is FAT and if there is something that appears
to have merit in discovery that is related to religion and connects to
Jesus, let prove it buddy. Its the Churches responsibility
Get of your backside and lets go out there and prove either way, right or
wrong rather than all your crappola.
Lets get it on as there is no point talking to a fool who is deceived by the
last rebel.
Lets go out there and prove the case buddy!
Weak man using other people research rather than your own, its just laziness
and slothfulness.
By the way Sarah, you can come to since you and Calvin are mates and maybe
Israel might want to sink some money into this and prove the case or are
they too afraid that I am right.
Runs for the hills Calvin with your doctrine, there is no boldness in your
posts. Just Crap from the church who have never demonstrated a thing only
using religion as weapon against man through fear.
There is no love of Jesus in your heart, void of the Holy spirit! All I can
see is just crap and words and nothing in the doing.
Your church is set to fail in the test of all mankind!
Sevens
Reply #44 on:Today at
01:49:16 am »
This new house has nothing to do with your
secular church. You have had your run in the witness.
They and you have failed already and includes the Doctrine of your church.
I have proved your Doctrine wrong single handedly against all those scholars
of your church that receive a big fat cheque at the end of the month.
They are all defeated already just by truth alone and in the discovery.
You will never get over it, that a poor simple man through his own open minded
investigations has already destroyed the false areas that lay in your doctrine
and has already defeated the big FAT church in all its blackmail on its
members
I know how they work they dont fool me and particularly when it comes to the
money grab in the most subtle ways from your members.
The sham is over as far as the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise is concerned
regarding your secular church, repent, go one repent, pride filled man with
no demonstration that can be verified nor understood by a normal man on the
street. You cant, because your pride filled heart is to great and you are
already lost in the pit. The veil of your hypocrisy has been revealed just in
your evil posts and you are absolutely not representative of Jesus and his
teaching that are simple that a baby can understand.
All those commentaries written are people who receive a big fat cheque from
the church to write all that crap and is no doubt full of bias and prejudice,
the whole lot of it, every scap of it.
You have failed! and you will be rebuked including the secular church you
belong to and its feeble minded leaders for not listening to the signs and
instead deliver writhing lies to deceive the normal guy.
You are just a Wolf in sheep's clothing and not even honest! nor sincere! I
know man the Sevenfold angels alert me to these things and they are the
part administrators of the planet, far higher than the church of all
countries.
The Most High is searching the Soul of your Church currently and everything is
noted and known, the motivation, the real motivation of whats in the heart and
the attitude and we are heading for judgment and you will not escape through
doctrine because it will fail you as already foreseen in Revelation.
You have already met the parting of the ways! including your secular church!
Sevens
« Reply #5 on:Today at 12:22:01
am »
Yes Calvin, I laugh at you!
I knew this would be case with your paranoid feelings, your just a walking
hypocrisy.
Leaving all your crap behind.
How about we do this.
What about we put all the information on the table and we go to the Persian
Gulf and verify Dalamatia City and lift up the Seven commands and then we will
see who is right.
In front of the whole world and the world can be our witness.
Hey Buddy why dont we do that lets prove it once and for all.
We will put your crap on the table and my research and verify the City of
Dalamatia itself.
And let the world see everything.how miserable you words are.
Hey lets see your if you information is worthy the evidence which I now it
will fail.
Let the contention prove itself.
Lets prove it buddy. right hear and right now.
You and me
he is an image you false person.
and here is the evidence in the images of the submergence
You, yourself are the agent for the Last rebel buddy you have played in his
hands in your narrow mindedness and fear driven spiritual thoughts.
Your thoughts on the larger scale is responsible for so many deaths over
religion its unbelievable.
Lets get down to it buddy, the demonstration is louder than your absolute
crap.
Sevens
« Reply #8 on:Today at 12:37:57
am »
Some more of the same stuff that cannot be
substantiated as it is only words and no evidence.
Continuing in the Dalamatia City project.
After we verify Dalamatia City and the Seven commands
Then we can go to 1stEden and and scan and verify the manmade anomalies on top
and at the base of the Acropolis Hill and verify the 3 co planar circles on
top of the hill.
If we verify the 3 co planar circles on the Acropolis Hill then we can match
the 1st and 2nd temples of the Father by the 3 co planar symbols.
That would be the match.
Why, we have already verified the stone wall in 1stEden stated in the Urantia
Book.
Then after that we go to Iran.
Sevens
« Reply #7 on:Today at 12:43:32
am »
Still continuing with the proposal
form your other offensive judgmental posts of no worth nor a physical hard
evidence.
After we verify the both the temples of the Father submerged we can then take
a trip to Iran and the verify the 3 coplanar circles of symbolism at Vans
highland headquarters as in there 3 co planar symbols from there
You haven't got a chance, you are already on a sinking ship of doctrine that
is due for correction.
You have failed in the beforehand and so has the doctrine of your secular
religion.
Sevens
« Reply #44 on:Today at 01:49:16 am
»
This new house has nothing to do with your
secular church. You have had your run in the witness.
They and you have failed already and includes the Doctrine of your church.
I have proved your Doctrine wrong single handedly against all those scholars
of your church that receive a big fat cheque at the end of the month.
They are all defeated already just by truth alone and in the discovery.
You will never get over it that a poor simple man through his own open minded
investigations has already destroyed the false areas that lay in your doctrine
and has already defeated the big FAT church in all its blackmail on its
members
You will never get over it, that a poor simple man through his own open minded
investigations has already destroyed the false areas that lay in your doctrine
and has already defeated the big FAT church in all its blackmail on its
members through the use of doctrine as a weapon in Jesus' name!.
The sham is over as far as the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise is concerned
regarding your secular church, repent, go one repent, pride filled man with no
demonstration that can be verified nor understood by a normal man on the
street. You cant, because your pride filled heart is to great and you are
already lost in the pit. The veil of your hypocrisy has been revealed, just in
your evil posts and you are absolutely not representative of Jesus where his
teachings are that simple that a baby can understand.
All those commentaries are people who receive a big fat cheque from the church
to write all that crap and is no doubt full of bias and prejudice, the whole
lot of it, every scrap of it.
You have failed! and you will be rebuked including the secular church you
belong to and its representatives for not listening to the signs and writhing
lies to deceive the normal guy.
You are just a Wolf in sheep's clothing and not even honest! nor sincere! I
know man the Sevenfold angels alert me to these things and they are the
part administrators of the planet far higher than the church of all
countries.
The Most High is searching the Soul of your Church currently and everything is
noted and known, the motivation, the real motivation of what's in the heart
and the attitude and we are heading for judgment and you will not escape
through doctrine because it will fail you as already foreseen in Revelation.
You have already met the parting of the ways at the gates! including your
secular church and the paid scholars with all its wrong interpretation and bad
teachings including a really poor attitude!
Everything is due for reckoning! only because one man realized the last
Seventh mystery and that's all it takes to activate judgement!!
Now its a matter of time and we don't have to
go out to the places for the judgement of mans attitude to occur.
This is the operations of the Kingdom of Semah and
Denah of the double kingship, the holders of the double crowns from the
SEVENFOLD treasury of the 1st and 2nd temples of the Father of the
Kingdom of Heaven on earth! and this kingdom will be upheld in the
courts of the Ancient of Days and respected in the Halls of PARADISE!
The only kingdom of the planet that will be upheld before, during and after
the judgement of mankind in his attitude!
So look out and be aware and correct your attitude! if you have enough
wisdom. Representatives from all of the above in bold, The universal
family are already here on standby ready to act! with correction.
All that awaiting is the final command of the Father in Paradise!
Everything is prepared!
You have been warned!
Sevens
posted
02-19-2008 05:43 AM
Hey RaelUrantian
With the coordinates, I'm not sure but I recently found this on a post over
here
I found it quite interesting, as I was reading it flashed into my mind
regarding the Poles and the operations of the Seraphim that happen at the
poles of the planet.
Then I wrote the post. You should find some maps that will help you hopefully,
we should get into this study and see if we can find more stuff.
All the best good brother
Sevens
posted
02-19-2008 05:50 AM
Hey Ishtar, how you doing good
friend. best person in the world ahahahahah! yea!
I believe the Satan is completely defeated and is awaiting the final
adjudication in the courts of the Ancient of Days.
As we venture into the truth path of the Sevenfold Seraphic mission, the last
rebel that remains on this planet is severely weakened and is loosing time and
influence.
The Sevenfold Seraphim watchers and the United midwayers and Melchizedeks
are all before us and behind us clearing the path of truth, so we can discover
ourselves and that is the Victory of Jesus for man, the realization of truth
in the walk of man himself through his efforts in the research, exploration
and discovery of truth.
I say yea!
We all have the victory! already now!
There is no doubt about it now, as we walk in faith with the Father, Jesus and
the Angels in this most exciting and enthralling journey to the truth.
Mankind will overcome everything! we are ready for some SEVENFOLD
action! get ready for action stations.
double yea!
All I say is thank you sweet JESUS
triple yea!
ahahahahah
I see the final victory of truth in
sight!
Sevens
« Reply #10 on:Today at 03:29:12
pm »
Hey Tom if you have something to say, say it.
Quote
Don't judge all of them because of one bad
apple!
Come out with it man in your judgement explain yourself for change.
Say it buddy be a man rather than this attitude of yours.
Your just sitting on the fence again with nothing to contribute as always
except for smart comments without anything to contribute.
I find you rather insulting and you have shown nothing of yours in all the
years, least I am always honest in whatever I say and you have had the benefit
of reading my posts as entertainment.
Come on show something worthwhile of your self for a change or are you just
another one of those hit and run cowards with nothing to offer.
You're are the bad apple if ever I have seen one and gutless to.
Just go away man if you nothing worthwhile to say! except little quips like
that. Youve already proved yourself as a drain on energy.
Lets see your evidence! with analysis and images and source links....anything
that is worthwhile.
Although I must say Calvin, did post his stuff and that far more than what
have ever done, ever in all the years that I have known you.
sevens
Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:57 pm
I have to say that the Book of Enoch was studied by Jesus
himself including the priesthood and including the Essenes. I think to throw
out the Book of Enoch just because the church says so is completely narrow
and wrong. They do a complete injustice to mankind by that rule which is
only manmade. Even some of the disciples referenced the Book of Enoch.
That is just based on pride and prejudice based on Church doctrine and is
unsustainable which on that point is purely man made.
There is much information about the end time in the Book of Enoch and it
warns of this exact thing of narrowmindeness.
Jesus never said anything about not looking into the Book of Enoch, then who
are we to make these judgments and based on what?? Not to look into the book
of Enoch is only what the Church says in there arrogance and
narrowmindedness.
I hate to say it but the church and all the arrogance attached in there
judgement is really due for reckoning and the pride and prejudice will be
taken of the Church.
All books work together and does include the old prophets and I can
demonstrate that but is it worth it when no one will listen or research
because of the barriers the church has implanted into the minds of the
congregation with no basis of justification. Just mans motives the end of
the day for control over the individual that keeps the church alive.
I just say dont get to narrow minded in the end times regarding the
consummation of all things and that will include the church.
There is more to the end times than just the Pauline Church that's for sure.
I can demonstrate quite clearly that the Book of Enoch points directly the
beginning places for the end times and I wouldn't under estimate anything
these days. Remember much of manmade doctrine will just go because of the
truth and in many ways man will be set free.
I got to say that the Bible that everyone calls the word of God is nothing
but is the Catholic church compile from 300AD there abouts. Its is the
Catholic compile that everyone subscribes to in real truth and in the time
of the compile many books that were studied previously was thrown out. Like
Burach, The book of Enoch, Sirach many books that all played there part in
the end times. You have to understand exactly what you are reading and where
the compile came from.
Its a pity that man has closed himself off due to the arrogance and
ignorance of the church even in today's times.
Jesus saw many truths in the book of Enoch himself through
his own studies.
sevens
Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:16 pm
Im sorry Petra that attitude will cut it in the
end times and is due for correction.
The Church is emphatically wrong on that basis, is that you speaking or your
church. Have you ever read the book completely without pride or prejudice
and studied it and drawn the parallels to these times or is that just a
blinded attitude? marred by prejudice which cannot be justified in the
scriptures.
sevens
Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:16 pm
Im sorry Petra that attitude will not cut it in the end times
and is due for correction.
The Church is emphatically wrong on that basis, is that you speaking or your
church. Have you ever read the book completely without pride or prejudice
and studied it and drawn the parallels to these times or is that just a
blinded attitude? marred by prejudice which cannot be justified in the
scriptures.
The Sevenfold mission is completely supportive of the Book of Enoch Enoch
and he was translated and the Father has great respect for Enoch and his
words and his words will be instrumental in the end times like in
Revelation.
sevens
Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:31 pm
Who are the children in Heaven?
These were some of the progeny of Adam translated into heaven under the
custodianship of Heaven after the default of Adam and the Holy
children/race will come back after judgement for the restoration of the
planet and I think they will be partners of the elect and they will have
families and Adam seed will again perpetuate throughout the world in the
restoration and the up step of man in his genes. Also the elect and the
holy children will immortal living of the tree of life which again be on
this planet in the new temple which will be rebuilt.
Why I know this is because I have a wider
field of vision because I research all the books of religion not just one
book as all books work together in the end times.
sevens
Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:39 pm
Hey for_the_truth
Thanks for the link, I look forward to reading that book you suggested maybe
there might be more clues there.
thanks very much
Sevens
Oh yea man
amazing I found this book just a week ago and I am very impressed with it, I
found many clues there that I can relate to in my journey.
Here was one excerpt that got me going
Quote:
The Seventh Path is
the Occult Intelligence, because it is the
Refulgent Splendor of all the Intellectual
virtues which are perceived by the eyes
of intellect, and by the contemplation of
faith.
I could relate to that in my own journey in faith, there was another to that
I drew to. Hey I found it
Quote:
The First Path is called the Admirable or
the Concealed Intelligence (The Highest Crown) - for it is the
Light giving the power of comprehension
of that First Principle which has no beginning,
and it is the Primal Glory, for no
created being can attain to its essence.
I could relate to the above in the journey to the ancient first places.
Sevens
Oh yea man
amazing I found this book just a week ago and I am very impressed with it, I
found many clues there that I can relate to in my journey.
Here was one excerpt that got me going
Quote:
The
Seventh Path is the Occult Intelligence, because it is the
Refulgent Splendor of all the Intellectual
virtues which are perceived by the eyes
of intellect, and by the contemplation of
faith.
I could relate to that in my own journey in faith, there was another to that
I drew to. Hey I found it
Quote:
The First Path is called the Admirable or
the Concealed Intelligence (The Highest Crown)
- for it is the Light giving the power of
comprehension of that First Principle
which has no beginning, and it is the
Primal Glory, for no created being can attain to its essence
.
I could relate to the above in the journey to the ancient first places.
and here something out of 1Enoch that points directly to the ancient places
and the circular spot and note I have been talking about the 3 co planar
circles that connects between locations and can be seen in the images. The
below is the fulfillment of this prophecy and its is the direction the
Father wants the church to go in to. It will be the new house of which the
knowledge of it led to its discovery, in of itself and the new house will
have its foundations based on ancient times. Its the resurrection of the
ancient house of the Father.
Where TRUTH & SYMBOL meet
Quote:
1Enoch 89:39
I also saw that the Lord of the sheepproduced a new house, great and loftier than the former, which
He
bounded by the former
circular spot. All its pillars were new, and
its ivory new, as well as
more abundant than the former ancient ivory,which he had brought out.
Direct relationship to the 1st and 2nd original temples of the Father and
where the circular spots of the temple is visible and can be identified.
right on yea!
The circular spots in both the original temples of the Father
and
sorry for the pics I suddenly got excited.
ahahahahahahah
In between the times of the 2 defaults the
tree of life was kept in another location by Van and it is also bounded by
the circular spot.
This place in is North Eastern Iran and is the ancient headquarters of Van
where again we see the 3 co planar circles.
Just brilliant and we see it written about in Enoch
Sevens
posted
02-19-2008 05:41 PM
Hi Rael Urantian
Last night I was wandering if there were northern set of circles under the ice
in the Northern Hemisphere that would be the accompanying circles of the
Southern circle set.
I was thinking about Mario Dantaz posts and what we found under the ice of
Greenland may not be Atlantis but could the Northern home of the Celestials
There is, as always, an equally
viable alternative explanation. An anomaly like this could also be caused by
an accumulation of metals -- the kind you would get if you found the ruins
of an ancient, buried city!
An "ancient city under the ice?" Such a discovery would be absolutely
dazzling, sending shockwaves through our world as profound as the discovery
of "artifacts on Mars" or "ruins on the Moon." And the notion is not as
improbable as you may think
thought provocative.
Like a hollow earth idea, not the whole earth but only in this area. Magnetic
anomalies eh! remembering the first post.
How intriguing!
It could be a world of the celestials in a ice covered world with an
atmosphere and water. What a sight that would be.
quote:
" This was all well and good, until
unconfirmed reports began to surface that a JPL spokesperson had admitted at
a February press conference that the National Security Agency (NSA) had
literally taken over the JPL polar research program at Lake Vostok. It
was this report which created something of a firestorm on the Internet
Well this shows that there is something there
that is important for the NSA to charge of the Vostok project.
Even though there is secrecy that surrounds this lake but, the Father will
reveal to his people what it may represent.
Gets more intriguing all the time
quote:
Several sources immediately pointed to the
fact that the location of the "Vostok anomaly" is quite close to coordinates
shown in the "X-Files" movie regarding the fictional location of a massive,
"buried alien spacecraft. " In fact, the Russian Vostok Base is the
closest base of any kind to the coordinates given in the movie. (All this
reminded us, of course, of our own previous suspicions about the true source
of some of X-Files creator Chris Carter's story ideas ....)
interesting
Raytheon Corporation eh! Ive had hits from them.
oooohhh!
I had a dream last night, the very rare ones I have but everyone was happy and
joyous.
Here is the image that the Germans
were working on and I wonder if its very close to the concentric circles
underneath the ice and also its very very close to the Magnetic pole.
How curious
and here is the magnetic pole
Its all very concentrated around the magnetic
South Pole. Gee, its a dead ringer.
Remember the angels that set forth from there space port above the Magnetic
pole. Look at this image and how close is this.
we could of solved this puzzle and possibly confirmed the
home of the Angels in the most isolated spot on the earth like Superman's
home.
There is no way to prove it except go there and perform studies
and research but this could be a basis.
yea!
Sevens
There is no way to prove it except
go there and perform studies and research but this could be a basis.
yea!
Sevens 007 ahahahahahahah
Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:25 am
Hey for_the_truth
Thanks for the reply, you are the first positive reply I ever had regarding
my research in the forum....thanks, Im glad you like. This is also in the
Dalamatia thread but no one ever replies. But I'm glad you connect.
I would be really interested in your work and see what you come up with, I
look forward to it.
I think there are many good fragments in the Jubilees that really works with
my research.
All the best and it would be good to see your current project....for sure!
Sevens
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JESUS RETURNED GOOD FOR EVIL
5. LESSONS FROM THE CROSS
188:5.1 The cross of Jesus portrays the full measure of the supreme
devotion of the true shepherd for even the unworthy members of his
flock. It forever places all relations between God and man upon the
family basis. God is the Father; man is his son. Love, the love of a
father for his son, becomes the central truth in the universe relations
of Creator and creature -- not the justice of a king which seeks
satisfaction in the sufferings and punishment of the evil-doing subject.
188:5.2 The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward
sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal
and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his
life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival.
Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in
the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative.
Jesus' death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently
strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus
disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice
-- mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive
wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love
utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of
evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all
weakness resulting therefrom. Jesus brought a new method of living to
Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a
goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is
not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not
slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor
condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with
mere forgiveness. The Master's love implies rehabilitation, eternal
survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption
if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.
188:5.3 Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break
the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways
of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself
promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation.
The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart,
forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.
188:5.4 The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion.
In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the
cross of a real and intense mortal existence. The real value of the
cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression
of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy.
188:5.5 On millions of inhabited worlds, tens of trillions of evolving
creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and
abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on
the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God's
laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of
man.
188:5.6 The triumph of the death on the cross is all summed up in the
spirit of Jesus' attitude toward those who assailed him. He made the
cross an eternal symbol of the triumph of love over hate and the
victory of truth over evil when he prayed, "Father, forgive them, for
they know not what they do." That devotion of love was contagious
throughout a vast universe; the disciples caught it from their Master.
The very first teacher of his gospel who was called upon to lay down
his life in this service, said, as they stoned him to death, "Lay not
this sin to their charge."
188:5.7 The cross makes a supreme appeal to the best in man because it
discloses one who was willing to lay down his life in the service of
his fellow men. Greater love no man can have than this: that he would
be willing to lay down his life for his friends -- and Jesus had such a
love that he was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, a love
greater than any which had hitherto been known on earth.
188:5.8 On other worlds, as well as on Urantia, this sublime spectacle
of the death of the human Jesus on the cross of Golgotha has stirred
the emotions of mortals, while it has aroused the highest devotion of
the angels.
188:5.9 The cross is that high symbol of sacred service, the devotion
of one's life to the welfare and salvation of one's fellows. The cross
is not the symbol of the sacrifice of the innocent Son of God in the
place of guilty sinners and in order to appease the wrath of an
offended God, but it does stand forever, on earth and throughout a vast
universe, as a sacred symbol of the good bestowing themselves upon the
evil and thereby saving them by this very devotion of love. The cross
does stand as the token of the highest form of unselfish service, the
supreme devotion of the full bestowal of a righteous life in the
service of wholehearted ministry, even in death, the death of the
cross. And the very sight of this great symbol of the bestowal life of
Jesus truly inspires all of us to want to go and do likewise.
188:5.10 When thinking men and women look upon Jesus as he offers up
his life on the cross, they will hardly again permit themselves to
complain at even the severest hardships of life, much less at petty
harassments and their many purely fictitious grievances. His life was
so glorious and his death so triumphant that we are all enticed to a
willingness to share both. There is true drawing power in the whole
bestowal of Michael, from the days of his youth to this overwhelming
spectacle of his death on the cross.
188:5.11 Make sure, then, that when you view the cross as a revelation
of God, you do not look with the eyes of the primitive man nor with the
viewpoint of the later barbarian, both of whom regarded God as a
relentless Sovereign of stern justice and rigid law-enforcement.
Rather, make sure that you see in the cross the final manifestation of
the love and devotion of Jesus to his life mission of bestowal upon the
mortal races of his vast universe. See in the death of the Son of Man
the climax of the unfolding of the Father's divine love for his sons of
the mortal spheres. The cross thus portrays the devotion of willing
affection and the bestowal of voluntary salvation upon those who are
willing to receive such gifts and devotion. There was nothing in the
cross which the Father required -- only that which Jesus so willingly
gave, and which he refused to avoid.
188:5.12 If man cannot otherwise appreciate Jesus and understand the
meaning of his bestowal on earth, he can at least comprehend the
fellowship of his mortal sufferings. No man can ever fear that the
Creator does not know the nature or extent of his temporal afflictions.
188:5.13 We know that the death on the cross was not to effect man's
reconciliation to God but to stimulate man's realization of the
Father's eternal love and his Son's unending mercy, and to broadcast
these universal truths to a whole universe.
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Such high standards of love that I many times fail to reach in my own
expressions coupled with emotions and passion.
Jesus was a superman
I would suggest everyone test themselves according to this standard and see
how you fair in the attitude!
What a challenge for any soul for such a high spiritual benchmark.
It would be good personal project for anyone to bear in mind these words in
your daily life and see how you fair.
Particularly in light of scenarios where aggression can take hold.
Sevens
Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:14 pm
I think it was Jude
There is a reference that he makes that is also contained in Enoch but I
cant find it at the moment.
Remember the priest even though they failed to recognize Jesus did study the
book of Enoch as well as many other books contained in their library
I would like to say that the Jewish books are just as relevant as the bible
since the compile of 300AD.
So is there anything wrong with that or are we so secular in our approach??
that we neglect the river of truth that has ran down through the ages.
Doesn't matter Jimmy thanks for your post, the images in the previous post
is my presentation on things regarding the cities
I'm going to take it easy because I have high blood pressure and this work
is intense for me lately. I'm trying to keep calm and not get all worked up.
Its a pity the whole planet is in such a mess
only Jesus can help us in his wisdom, there is no other way.
God bless you to in every way, all the time. Same goes for Petra and
everyone else on this forum regardless what we feel and think.
I think the Father has been inspiring man throughout the ages with many
fragments and at the end times all these truth fragment will conjunct in a
massive unity, unifying all the books. I don't think its just one book but
all the books for the benefit of all peoples on the level of there religion
that they can relate to.
I don't think its a matter
of who is right and who is wrong or who is superior or inferior in the
information but coming together in a unity from our own book that we like to
study and share with each other and that brings down the barriers of
religious separation amongst mankind.
Gee I like this one
Quote:
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken away
so that he did not see death, "and was not found, because God had taken
him"; for before he was taken he had
this testimony,that he pleased God.
Says it all and the Father respects Enoch's testimony which is related to
the end times and is being currently used. And thats in the NT. Praise the
Lord! So on this basis we should respect Enoch and his prophetical words for
today. Note the Seventh??, the Seventh Mystery?? hint hint ahahaha.
However, Enoch ran aground regarding
Christianity by these people
Quote:
This and many other books became
discredited after the Council of Laodicea. And being
under ban of the authorities, afterwards it gradually passed out of
circulation.
Walking in ignorance at that time. and note how disdainful
The Father is of the church of Laodicea in Revelation of the end times for
perverting truth for there own gain by suppressing it, this is where I think
the last rebel infiltrated the church by keeping the truth of Enoch away
from man. Because the last rebel knew that it was all about the end times of
the rebel himself. His own end times in the courts of the Ancient of Days,
all I say is that the rebel times are up and the Book of Enoch is restored
to its rightful place for it exact purpose in this time.
So what else did the Council of
Laodicea do to all the scriptures?????? in that time???? I ask???
bearing in mind their attitude of those times?? This probably explains much
of the religious division and limitation and fear we have today in the Body
of Jesus Christ today by those guys in the past all related to
attitude! and the true motivation.
The Father was pleased with the Enoch
testimony as stated in the NT and that means it can be used
today without fear and thats why I use it because I can see so much truth in
it relevant to my own journey as demonstrated in the TRUTH and
SYMBOL that becomes one! presentation.
It was just all foreseen in the beforehand!
Just my opinion as I see in my journey!
Also here is
a word search in the Book of Enoch in the UB
Jesus studied the Book of Enoch and it was very intriguing to him.
Here is a truth fragment of Jesus and The Book of Enoch
Quote
While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the
synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had
been studying, this manuscript called "The Book of Enoch"; and though he
was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very
intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one
passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term
"Son of Man" appeared. The writer of
this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about
this Son of Man, describing the work he
would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming
down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the
courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he
had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on
earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read
these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism
which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous),
he responded in his heart and recognized in
his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures
and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer,
none was so near the truth as this
story tucked away in this only partially accredited
Book of Enoch; and he then and there
decided to adopt as his inaugural title "the
Son of Man." And this he did when he subsequently began his
public work. Jesus had an unerring ability
for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace,
no matter from what source it appeared to emanate.
and
1. Enoch, the first of the mortals of Urantia to fuse
with the Thought Adjuster during the mortal life in the flesh
all the best blessings
sevens
Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:03 am
Quote:
Hebrews 11:10
For he looked for a city which hath
foundations, whose builder and maker is
God
To me that squarely points to the cities in metaphor relating to the
discovery of Truth and Symbol being one related to the lost temples of the
Father who was the builder and built by the immortals. Sons of God
(Dalamatia City) and Van,(1stEden).
and this from Peter the Rock
Quote:
2 Peter 3
5 For this they
willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavenswere of old,and the earth standing out of
the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world
that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the
heavens and the earth, which are now,
by the same
word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment
and perdition of ungodly men.
To me that points to the construct of today and it will come from the word
of the Ancient times or the word of OLD, from the first times, the first
places, the former places of OLD, At the beginning is the end!.
and how about this verse in Metaphor to the Journey to the ancient places
that are the eternal rocks built by the immortals in ages past and note the
weapons of steel, like during a war. Really speaking we have war on the
planet on every level that includes weapons of steel. Like right now!!
Quote:
Quote: To Peter he said: "Put not your trust
in the arm of flesh nor in weapons of steel. Establish yourself on
the spiritual foundations of the eternal rocks.
and does the following speak of the future past the times of Jesus, like in
the end time, after the times of Jesus 2000 years ago or if its about Jesus,
I see the same things happening that man will disallow and reject the track
to the end times relating to the end times. and we talking about a house of
the past and spiritual things, and a priesthood and sacrifices to do the
work and this work is Lively and intense and I believe acceptable to the
Father. But man will reject, no doubt about that.
Interesting
Quote:
Quote: 1 Peter 2:4
To whom
coming, as unto a
living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and
precious, 5 Ye also, as
lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to
offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
It appears to be in the past tense of Jesus and in the future of the end, we
are speaking about the stones, the ancient places with real purpose and with
upstepped knowledge in the revealing. The ancient places of the cities are
stones, lively stones and the knowledge of them , with life, that means
something with real purpose and is connected to Judgement!
"disallowed indeed of men, but
chosen of God, and precious" how
true is that until its too late to turn back.
thats it for now.
Just some thoughts!
sevens
Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:38 am
Quote:
To Peter he said: "Put
not your trust in the arm of flesh nor in weapons of steel.
Establish yourself on the spiritual
foundations of the eternal rocks.
Quote:
To Peter he said: "Put
not your trust in the arm of flesh nor in weapons of steel.
Establish yourself on the spiritual
foundations of the eternal rocks.
This to me this is advice for Peter through to the US government to
abandon the weapons of steel and look upon the rocks (the submerged
cities and its truth) to the final resolve of truth as in the
demonstration of the revealing of the cities with the demonstration of
truth in the physical and spiritual.
The US people are the only people with spiritual receptivity, board
enough to understand this, all other representatives of other countries
have no wisdom to to see this because they are not dedicated and don't
accept the wisdom of Jesus in their hearts.
Its only the people in the US and its government and its people deep
down that have the wisdom and the spiritual foundation based on
Sovereign Jesus to see and understand this.
There is no other people in the world than in the US that can see this
and the rest of the world are blind, but the people in US and its people
have the ability to see wisdom and that will be deciding factor in many
things for the future outcome of this current reality.
The prophecies of the George Washington will come to pass and the people
of the US will be successful because they are beholden to Jesus
undoubtedly! and the Father will respect that as the Angels showed
George Washington.
All the best USA and its people! and GO the USA! and kick some spiritual
goals for the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven, The USA and its people
will be successful as it is written!
Its the only chance the people of the world who Love the Father and
Jesus have!
Even though I come from the Land of Sinim we are brothers with
the people of the Coastlands and we are one! and let no man or
country or other religion take that away.
United we shall arise! and in faith in Jesus we walk.
It seems right to me, apart from my silly outburst a few days ago. I
believe I found the track to a great discovery from information found in
many books of religion that form a unity that corresponds to the
evidence in the images in a match.
I believe this part of the Seventh Mystery and is seen in Enoch.
I believe that the Father approves of Enoch's testament and can be used
today like the New Testament.
Whoever wrote 1stEnoch sure had insight and its in th THE BIBLE
regardless of opinions, its in there in black and white, written and its
points directly to his testimony which proves that Jude and Paul of the
Pauline gospel does embrace Enoch and his words as the Father finds
Enoch pleasing which includes his testimony that I use today.
Thanks for looking
I also believe that a great connection of Enoch and Isaiah lays in the
word Sevenfold to.
Here are some some excerpts in Enoch that relate to the Sevenfold where
a mystery is involved and is related to the books that are opened that
bring much happiness and the Sevenfold is connected directly to the
mystery.
Quote
1 Enoch 104:10
Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the
wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom.
To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;
1 Enoch l04:ll And in which they shall rejoice. And all the
righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the
knowledge of every upright path.
1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the
seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant
shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its
completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of
everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine
respecting every part of his whole creation,
1 Enoch 92:17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new
heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers
shine with sevenfold splendor for
ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall
externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.
1Enoch 1:8 Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and
the splendor of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
Here is another fragment in Enoch regarding the Sevenfold and I believe
I am doing in the doing!
Quote
10 Blessed is
he who turns back from the changeable path and
walks along the straight path. 11
Blessed is he who sows the seeds of
righteousness, for he shall reap
sevenfold.
12 Blessed is he in whom is truth, that
he may speak truth to hisneighbour.
and Isaiah 30 the connection with Enoch
Quote
26 Moreover
the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the
light of the sun shall be sevenfold,as
the light of seven days, in the
day that the Lord bindeth up the breach
of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
and revelation 10
Quote
Revelation
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the
seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished,
as he hath declared to his servants the
prophets.
His Servants and prophets certainly embraces Enoch as the Father was
pleased with Enoch's Sevenfold testimony.
Here is an interesting fragment from Enoch 99
Quote
Enoch Chapter
99
1 In those days the angels shall descend
into places of concealment, and
gather together in one spot all who have assisted in crime.
2 In that day shall the Most High rise up
to execute the great judgment upon all sinners, and to
commit the guardianship of all the
righteous and holy to the holy angels, that they may protect
them as the apple of an eye, until
every evil and every crime be annihilated.
3 Whether or not the righteous sleep securely,
wise men shall then truly perceive.
4 And the sons of the earth shall understand
every word of that book, knowing
that their riches cannot save them
in the ruin of their crimes.
The places of concealment are the first places of ancient old that are
being revealed and is related to a new books where all the books are
opened such as we have here and judgment of attitude is attached, when
the most high arises.
Here is another excerpt from Enoch and the Sevenfold, sorry I lost the
chapter but its part of Enochs 10 week judgment.
Quote
9 And after
that in the seventh week shall an
apostate generation arise,
And many shall be its deeds,
And all its deeds shall be apostate.
10 And at its close shall be elected
The elect righteous of
the eternal plant of righteousness,
To receive sevenfold instructionconcerning all His creation.
Again in the above we have Sevenfold instruction concerning everything
of knowledge and is related to the UB the new book from heaven
inconjunction with other opened books as foreseen in Enoch. All
relevant books work and unify in the end times.
and here is another interesting piece out of Isaiah
Quote
Quote
Isaiah58:11 And the Lord shall guide thee continually, and satisfy
thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like
a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
12 And they that shall be of thee shall
build the old waste places: thou
shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou
shalt be called, ]The repairer of the breach,
The restorer of paths to dwell in.
This is a direct confirmation of this journey as we reveal the ancient
first and second temples of the Father submerged. We are restoring the
paths of old through all the books and its unity in the focalisation.
The foundations of many generations, restorer of the truth of the old
ancient paths.
Literally true in the journey to the ancient places.
The Sevenfold Scheme is promoted and run by the Ancients of Days
The UB
Quote
Quote:
Early in the materialization of the universal creation
the sevenfold scheme of the superuniverse
organization and government was formulated. The first
post-Havona creation was divided into seven stupendous segments, and
the headquarters worlds of these superuniverse governments were
designed and constructed. The present scheme of administration has
existed from near eternity, and the
rulers of these seven superuniverses are rightly called
Ancients of Days.
and a message from Jesus our master and
sovereign
Quote
1Enoch 46:2
He answered and said to me: This is the
Son of man, to whom
righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that
which is concealed; for the
Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all
before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.
and Lastly from Hebrews from the New
Testament in the BIBLE
Quote
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, "and was
not found, because God had taken him"; for
before he was takenhe had this testimony, that he pleased God
Words for consideration
I believe it is all related to the following images of and locations
of the first and ancient places and the revealing of the truth where
there is unfinished business of the Father with the last rebel where it
all began in the First places. We are going back to that times.
Where TRUTH & SYMBOL meet and become one.
Quote
1Enoch 89:39
I also saw that the Lord of the sheepproduced a new house, great and loftier than the former,
which He bounded by the former
circular spot. All its pillars were new, and its ivory new, as
well as
more abundant than the former ancient
ivory,which he had brought out.
Direct relationship to the 1st and 2nd original temples of the Father
and where the circular spots of the temple is visible and can be
identified.
right on yea!
The circular spots in both the original temples of the Father in very
ancient times
Dalamatia City
and
1stGarden of Eden
In between the times of the 2 defaults the tree of life was kept in
another location by Van and it is also bounded by the circular spot.
This place in is North Eastern Iran and is the ancient headquarters of
Van where again we see the 3 co planar circles.
Just brilliant and we see it written about in Enoch
Sevens
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02:06:47 pm »
I was impressed by the fact that a
scientist read the Urantia Book and wanted to prove the information with
his own scientific calculation and research and was right and that is no
different to what I do today in the journey to the ancient places.
I suppose It will be sometime before I pick up my own Nobel peace prize.
ahahahahah just joking having a laugh!
Just out of curiosity I phoned a major
movie production company to see what response there would be concerning
the journey. Apparently, I have to know some one in order to get any
proposal on there desk. Well that counted me out right from the word go.
I thought that was a shame that that industry is so locked up in that it
is who you know rather than something on its own merit regardless of the
source. It seems like a very closed industry for any thing new from an
outsider.
There and then I gave up as I knew it was fruitless! I walking in a dead
end being a complete outsider even when I believe the idea in this
journey would be the biggest true Indiana Jones story ever but in truth,
in the discovery and in the research. I think all those movies are the
type of this journey without the physical aggression and people dying in
this journey being a peaceful journey.
Additional thoughts from the Ancient times
where the end tomes will originate from and that is contained in the
books relying on the prophets of old.
Quote:
Deuteronomy 33:15
And for the chief things of the ancient
mountains, and for the precious
things of the lasting hills,
and this one about ancient time, the first times and note wasted
fences, walls of ancient cities that destroyed and now revealed for
the first time ever in the history of man.
Quote:
2 Kings 19:25 Hast thou not heard long ago how I have
done it, and of ancient times that I have formed it? now have
I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay
waste fenced cities into
ruinous heaps.
and the following is perhaps the first temple by in metaphor does it
also point to the first ancient places and the resurrection of them in
discovery and in truth??
Quote:
Ezra 3:12
But many of the priests and Levites and chief of the fathers, who
were ancient men, that had seen the first house, when
the foundation of this house was laid
before their eyes, wept with a loud voice; and many shouted
aloud for joy:
and Job 8000 years ago references the ancient places and its reference
to the ancient times and the wisdom it beholds for us today.
Quote:
Job 12:12 With the ancient is wisdom; and in
length of days understanding.
I believe the following also applies to the very first ancient times
now that we have brought the bar of truth in the discovery further
back
Quote:
Psalm 77:5 I have considered the days of old,the years of ancient times.
and I again and reference to the Ancients times and the truth and
knowledge of these times and admonition to adhere its precepts and to
study its times and its truths.
Quote:
Psalm 119:100 I understand more than the ancients,
because I keep thy precepts.
and its all related to the first ancient landmarks that have been set
from the beginning.
Quote:
Proverbs 22:28
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
and everything of the last mystery is all encapsulated in the
following and is a reference to all the components in this journey to
the ancient places and the end times bringing everything in together
as a unification.
Quote:
Isaiah 3:2 The mighty man, and
the man of war, the judge, and
the prophet, and
the prudent, and
the ancient,
I believe the following is a direct reference to the ancient cities
Quote:
Isaiah 23:7
Is this your joyous city, whose antiquity is of ancient days?
her own feet shall carry her afar off to sojourn.
And everyone will be confounded, all knowledge will be turned upside
down on every level as displayed in the following
Quote:
Isaiah 24:23
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the
Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion,
and in Jerusalem, and before his
ancients gloriously.
The message of change coming from the ancient times and are related to
cities and represents great change of everything.
Quote:
Isaiah 37:26 Hast thou not heard long ago, how I have
done it; and of ancient times,that I have formed it? now
have I brought it to pass, that
thou shouldest be to lay waste defenced
cities into ruinous heaps
and who shall the After call to bring out this information from the
ancient times and since the first times and the things that are
coming, like the judgement of man s attitude.
Quote:
Isaiah 44:7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall
declare it, and set it in order for me, since
I appointed the ancient people?
and the things that are coming, and
shall come, let them shew unto them.
This is the Father speaking and it will come through Jesus and Jesus
is head of this project
Quote:
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let
them take counsel together:who
hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that
time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside
me; a just God and a Saviour; there
is none beside me.
and this great verse of the truth and is exactly what I am doing
without reserve or hesitation...never!
Quote:
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
and from ancient timesthe things that are not yet done,
saying, My counsel shall stand,
and I will do all my pleasure:
another interesting verse told to awake to the revealing as it comes
from the ancient days i the generations of old and does wound the
Dragon, the dragon is Lucifer, Satan and the last rebel.
Quote:
Isaiah 51:9
Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as
in the ancient days, in the
generations of old. Art thou not
it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the
dragon?
and lastly the Ancient of Days concerning the judgment of man coming
from the ancuient places and times in the revealing
Quote:
Daniel 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and
the Ancient of days did sit, whose
garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure
wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning
fire.
Daniel 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold,
one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and
came to the Ancient of days, and
they brought him near before him.
Daniel 7:22
Until the Ancient of days came, and
judgment was given to the saints of
the most High; and the time came that
the saints possessed the kingdom.
The saints include the workers of Jesus in truth, beauty and goodness
which is all about loving one another in service and work for our
fellow man. It is not about accumulation of self.
I thought that was a fascinating study
sevens
Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:00 pm
His people coming from the sea, like truth revealing itself from the
sea, the truth of everything from ancient times that comes from the
submerged cities.
Quote:
Psalm 68:22
The Lord said, I will bring again from
Bashan, I will bring my people again
from the depths of the sea:
and this is my prayer
Quote:
Psalm 130:1 Out of the depths have I cried unto thee,
O Lord.
and the following from Job is before the Abraham and Israel and I
believe is related to the enquiry of the former ages and the truth from
those times. Like what we are doing today in the journey to the ancient
places!
Quote:
Job 8:8
For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age,
and prepare thyself to the search of their
fathers:
ahaahahah I like this one and is related to the objections of all in
this journey and Mock is involved
Quote:
Job 13:9 (Read all of Job 13)
Is it good that he should search you out?
or as one man mocketh another, do ye so
mock him?
The search for the ancient places and for the attached truth related to
the submerged temples of the first times. I believe the following is
connected to judgement and related to the stones of truth like in the
recovery of the Seven commands.
Quote:
Job 28:3 (Read all of Job 28)
He setteth an end to darkness, and
searcheth out all perfection:the stones of darkness, and the
shadow of death.
and this to me is related again to the cities and the search for them
Quote:
Job 28:27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he
prepared it, yea, and searched it out.
Job 29:7 When I went out to the gate through the city,
when I prepared my seat in the street!
The above is like a reflection to the Seven gates to the ancient cites
as in the the website
http://www.dalamatiacity.com
Yes the angels are on stand by as garment all over the ancient places
and they watching every movement of this project and its is the seal.
The Seventh Seal! What else could it be?.
Quote:
Job 38:14 (Read all of Job 38)
It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
I feel the following is a metaphor to this journey and the ancient
cities is like the Gold of truth given to the poor unconditionally.
Quote:
Matthew 17:27
Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them,
go thou to the sea, and cast an hook,
and take up the fish that first cometh up;
and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a
piece of money: that take,
and give unto them for me and thee.
and lastly revelations
Quote:
Revelation 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings
of the prophecy of this book:for the
time is at hand.
And all
from the Bible concerning the places mentioned in the Urantia Book.
All the best
Sevens
Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:00 am
I did do what you told told me to do. I'm not
bickering I just explained to Sampson how I see things thats all, more
justification that anythings else. Sorry pal.
Deuteronomy 32:10
He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness;
he led him about, he instructed him, he
kept him asthe apple of his eye.
Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye,
hide me under the shadow of thy wings,
Proverbs 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and
my law as the apple of thine eye.
Proverbs 25:11
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold
in pictures of silver.
Song of Solomon 2:3
As the apple tree among the trees of
the wood, so is my beloved among the sons.
I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was
sweet to my taste.
Song of Solomon 2:5
Stay me with flagons, comfort me with apples: for I am sick of love.
Song of Solomon 7:8
I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I
will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts
shall be as clusters of the vine, and the
smell of thy nose like apples;
Song of Solomon 8:5 Who is this that cometh up from the
wilderness,leaning upon her
beloved?I raised thee up under the
apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there
she brought thee forth that bare thee.
Lamentations 2:18
Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let
tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let
not the apple of thine eye cease.
Joel 1:12
The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate
tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of
the field, are withered: because joy is
withered away from the sons of men.
Zechariah 2:8
For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the
glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for
he that toucheth youtoucheth the apple of his eye.
and Enoch 99, "the apple of an
eye"
Quote:
2 In that day shall
the Most High rise up to execute the great
judgment upon all sinners, and to
commit the guardianship of all the righteous and holy to the holy
angels, that they may protect them as
the apple of an eye, until every evil and every crime be
annihilated.
Sevens
posted
02-22-2008 11:00 PM
Personally, I don't think there was
ever a flood that ever wiped out human kind, reduced to a family. Sure many
floods, local events that wiped out local populations and recorded in their
culture which we hijack to prop up our own theories, but not whole world
usunder!
sevens
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I found this excerpt completely relevant to the theme of this thread and is no
different to what we have today
Believe me, even if it demonstrated! It is no different to in Jesus' time the
pride and prejudice we see today and as demonstrated.
When the people marveled, one of the Pharisees
stood up and charged that Jesus could do these things because he was in
league with devils; that he admitted in the language which he employed in
casting out this devil that they were known to each other; and he went on
to state that the religious teachers and leaders at Jerusalem had decided
that Jesus did all his so-called miracles by the power of Beelzebub, the
prince of devils. Said the Pharisee: "Have nothing to do with this man; he
is in partnership with Satan."
Then said Jesus: "How can Satan cast out Satan?A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand;
if a house be divided against itself, it is soon brought to desolation.
Can a city withstand a siege if it is not united? If Satan casts out
Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?
But you should know that no one can enter into the house of a strong man
and despoil his goods except he first overpower and bind that strong man.
And so, if I by the power of Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your
sons cast them out? Therefore shall they be
your judges. But if I, by the spirit of God, cast out devils, then
has the kingdom of God truly come upon you. If you were not blinded by
prejudice and misled by fear and pride, you would easily perceive that one
who is greater than devils stands in your midst.
You compel me to declare that he who is not
with me is against me, while he who gathers not with me scatters abroad.
Let me utter a solemn warning to you who would presume, with your eyes
open and with premeditated malice, knowingly to ascribe the works of God
to the doings of devils! Verily, verily, I say
to you, all your sins shall be forgiven, even all of your blasphemies, but
whosoever shall blaspheme against God with deliberation and wicked
intention shall never obtain forgiveness. Since such persistent
workers of iniquity will never seek nor receive forgiveness, they are
guilty of the sin of eternally rejecting divine forgiveness.
From Jesus himself
and here is an interesting fragment which depicts the times of those day in
peoples beliefs
Quote
6. THE HEBREW RELIGION
By the close of the first century before Christ the religious
thought of Jerusalem had been tremendously influenced and somewhat
modified by Greek cultural teachings and even by Greek philosophy. In the
long contest between the views of the Eastern and Western schools of
Hebrew thought, Jerusalem and the rest of the Occident and the Levant in
general adopted the Western Jewish or modified Hellenistic viewpoint.
In the days of Jesus three languages prevailed in Palestine: The
common people spoke some dialect of Aramaic; the priests and rabbis spoke
Hebrew; the educated classes and the better strata of Jews in general
spoke Greek. The early translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek at
Alexandria was responsible in no small measure for the subsequent
predominance of the Greek wing of Jewish culture and theology. And the
writings of the Christian teachers were soon to appear in the same
language. The renaissance of Judaism dates from the Greek translation of
the Hebrew scriptures. This was a vital
influence which later determined the drift of Paul's Christian cult toward
the Westinstead of toward the East.
Though the Hellenized Jewish beliefs were very little influenced by the
teachings of the Epicureans, they were very materially affected by the
philosophy of Plato and the self-abnegation doctrines of the Stoics.
The great inroad of Stoicism is exemplified by
the Fourth Book of the Maccabees; the penetration of both Platonic
philosophy and Stoic doctrines is exhibited in the Wisdom of Solomon.
The Hellenized Jews brought to the Hebrew scriptures such an allegorical
interpretation that they found no difficulty in conforming Hebrew theology
with their revered Aristotelian philosophy. But this all led to disastrous
confusion until these problems were taken in hand
by Philo of Alexandria,who proceeded to harmonize and systemize Greek
philosophy and Hebrew theology into a compact and fairly consistent system
of religious belief and practice. And it was this
later teaching of combined Greek philosophy and
Hebrew theology that prevailed in Palestine when Jesus lived and
taught, and which Paul utilized as the
foundation on which to build his more advanced and enlighteningcult of Christianity.
Philo was a great teacher;not since Moses had there lived a man who
exerted such a profound influence on the ethical and religious thought of
the Occidental world. In the matter of the combination of the
better elements in contemporaneous
Maybe we can understand the roots of Christianity a little better in this time
by researching the origins and the times of those days.
and this piece about Paul's Cult of Christianity
Quote
Paul's cult of Christianity exhibited its
morality as a Jewish birthmark. The Jews viewed history as the
providence of God--Yahweh at work. The Greeks brought to the new teaching
clearer concepts of the eternal life. Paul's
doctrines were influenced in theology and philosophy not only by Jesus'
teachings but also by Plato and Philo. In ethics he was inspired
not only by Christ but also by the Stoics.
The gospel of Jesus, as it was embodied in
Paul's cult of Antioch Christianity,
became blended with the following teachings:
1. The philosophic reasoning of the
Greek proselytes to Judaism, including some of their concepts of the
eternal life.
2. The appealing teachings of the prevailing mystery cults,
especially the Mithraic doctrines of redemption, atonement, and salvation
by the sacrifice made by some god.
3. The sturdy morality of the established Jewish religion.
Page 1341 The Mediterranean Roman Empire, the Parthian kingdom,
and the adjacent peoples of Jesus' time all held crude and primitive ideas
regarding the geography of the world, astronomy, health, and disease; and
naturally they were amazed by the new and startling pronouncements of the
carpenter of Nazareth. The ideas of
spirit possession, good and bad, applied not merely to human beings, but
every rock and tree was viewed by many as being spirit possessed.
This was an enchanted age, and everybody
believed in miracles as commonplace occurrences.
I figure no one is going to accept this so in light of this. Lets go out there
to the Persian Gulf and and verify the cities and lift up the Seven commands
and that will be the proof of all things spoken about. Its Christianity's
responsibility to search and seek out the truth of everything but pride and
prejudice will prevent this for the saving of their doctrine.
No different to in Jesus' time and what does Jesus say about deliberately
preventing the work of The Kingdom of Heaven?
I have nothing to loose except a number of
years of work and my life on this rock, that's if they get some of their goons
on to me physically and take my life...big deal!. I have a great future to
look forward to, but Christianity has all to loose if they don not investigate
all truth of the matter.
