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seal of Solomon   23rd November 08

 

Interesting information

Looking for information about Dec 3rd and the activation of Rapture or the beginning of Daniels Seven year cycle

Nostradamus’ Birthday December 14-December 24 … Meteor Strike?

As Mars is now making its closest approach since 2003 and will not be this close again until 2017, at the same time the earth is passing through the Geminid meteor debris trail producing a spectacular meteor shower. Tonight, the 14th of December, 2007 is supposed to be the peak night of viewing of this meteor shower. In the chapter of the book entitled 500 Years Henceit is explained that the birth date of Nostradamus is December 14th according to the Julian Calendar, and is December 24-26 according to the Gregorian Calendar as 10 days were added and subsequently 1 day every 128 years. In the book the conclusion is drawn that because of the tremendous earthquake that occurred in Bam, Iran on December 26th, 2003 that claimed over 50,000 people and then the Asian Tsunami that occurred on the very same day exactly one year later with over 100,000 dead, there was a connection all of which occurred during the year ending the 500 year anniversary of Nostradamus’ birthday. There are pages of scientific evidence that conclude that both the Asian Tsunami and the earthquake in Iran were both caused by meteor strikes occurring during the same time period of the year exactly one year apart. This would lend to the idea that the earth is going through a debris trail that could possibly be the remnant of the Geminid trail which was formed by what is now known to be the asteroid 3200 Phaethon. Interestingly, the first recorded sighting of this particular meteor shower was at the same time as the proclamation of Baha’u'llah

http://thekingofterror.com/content/prophecy/nostradamus-birthday-meteor-strike/

Origin Of Geminid

The appearance of this meteor shower seems to have been fairly sudden during the 1860s. It was first noted in 1862, when R. P. Greg (Manchester, England) found a radiant in the constellation Gemini for the period of December 10-12. B. V. Marsh and A. C. Twining (United States) independently discovered the activity around the same time. A. S. Herschel noted meteors emanating from Gemini during December 12/13, 1863, as well as three fireballs from near the same radiant in 1863 and 1864. During the 1870s, observations of the Geminids became more numerous as astronomers realized a new annual shower was active.”

Sky & Telescope

Another interesting point is that Mars is at this same time also moving through the constellation of Gemini and as Gemini is known as the “twin” in the book in the chapter already referred to we say that the meteor strikes causing the Iran and Asian disasters were the “Twin” catastrophes that occurred at the beginning and end of the 500th anniversary of the year of Nostradamus’ birthday.

Are we about to see another such great catastrophe in the coming days as this meteor shower started with the proclamation of the Second Coming of Christ Baha’u'llah and now is peaking on the birthday of the one who made it his goal to promote this one’s identity? Read this book to find out the details and make your conclusions yourself.

I thought that was very interesting and makes a relationship between the timing of these showers and Nostradamus' Birthdate.  Its interesting that my Birthdate is 14th May 61, fascinating that it falls on a 14th like Nostradamus.

Currently, I'm search for more clues and symbols that parallel and connect to this journey.

Here is a very interesting link and an amazing starchart based on Astronomy.  This connects to the star formation that was superimposed over the Van highland capital and makes match.

Here a link that completes

The only problem is the Birthdate they have for Jesus is the wrong date (2nd day of March in the year 5 BC.)  However we know from the Urantia Book and which has been proven that Jesus was born 7BC.  And understand this that on the 7BC on Jesus' Birthdate at precisely noon if the 5th planet was Eres was still in existence then there would also be a 5 star configuration precisely. This has been proven and it comes from the Bethlehem report.

Regardless of the date discrepancy we know that a star formation is involved in both cases and does seem to match the formation in the highland capital with the Herkimer Crop Circle

http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm

This researcher calls the double triangle star symbol The Seal of Solomon which we know is a 337, and equates to the 337 day of the year Dec 3rd the Seal of Solomon!

This formation is the Seal of Solomon.

http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pageone.htg/Solomon.gif

2nd day of March in the year 5 BC.

Here is another link to interesting images and familiar symbols.

http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/

December 3rd appears to be significant time and well before these dates of prophecy and events.  Dec 3rd is 11 days before Dec 14th Nostradamus Birthdate.  I just wonder if we are going through that same meteor shower in 08 and rapture occurs before a hidden meteor that falls in the sea causing great disruption?  Planetary evacuation occurs before then.

Sevens


I get the feeling the first horse is the deliverer of the end time message, the last messenger and his words are guided through the books of religion including all books and the discoveries and thoughts make up the journey, the journey  is the bow, the bow comes from the sealed book that was opened in the journey, the sealed witness.

This first horseman seems to be given a crown for his work for activating the end times mystery,  His thoughts are backed up and fulfilled and that could mean rapture or planetary evacuation is confirmed and on the cards.

The Seals

6And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Now the second Red horse is perhaps a message that is given in opposition of the truth or the twisting of the truth.  "that they should kill one another"  The opposite action to the Jesus message it also indicates that all the goodness is taken away and nothing but the worst or need to be corrected are left behind.  This second horse leader seems to have power and wreaks havoc throughout the world.

The third beast seems to be related to the control of commerce and goods and the forth beast seems to be the end result of the tribulation years on earth.  Death and destruction including mass hunger.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. 7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them  over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth..

the following appears to be all about a further description of the tribulation period.

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, [3] when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

end

But where is the Seventh Seal? or is that the 1st Seal?

I believe Chapter 6 is the rapture of the Elect 144,000 and there is also a great multitude simitaneously.  Then Chapter Seven is related to Tribulation which is initiated by the opening the Seventh Seal, the first seal by the branch on the White horse.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+7&ver=kjv

The Revelation chapters I realize is a puzzle of a long end time timeline.   Im starting to think that by  placing the chapters in its right order in the timeline should give an accurate picture of the end time timeline that we see simultaneously.

 

Lets have a look and try it

Chapter 6 Is about the tribulation period after the seals are broken

Chapter 7 is about the Rapture and a glimpse of after rapture in a safe place and what occurs there.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+7&ver=kjv

Chapter 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The way I see the highlight "These are they which came out of great tribulation" before tribulation  occurred, taken out before the great tribulation occurred, survived tribulation in the beginning.  It doesn't say after tribulation, but taken out of tribulation, raptured in the beforehand.

In following we see the Seventh Seal which was opened before tribulation so this would fit before tribulation Chapter 6

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+8&ver=kjv

Chapter 8 is within the tribulation peens and all happens in parallel with the horseman.

Simultaneously the raptured are in a safe place without worries and fear.

Chapter 9 appears top be again in the tribulation period., it a appears that a meteorite hits the earth during this time.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+9&ver=kjv

Chapter 10 to me reflects the journey of the white horseman Before the raptured period and fits Before Chapter 7 the time of the raptured in a safe place and before Chapter 6 pre tribulation.  It also reflects John Vision about the end time book for him to prophecy about it but not to write it.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+10&ver=kjv

Initially about the journey of the white horseman opening up the seals using the books and a new book given by the hand of an angel directing the journey with the human counter part.

Chapter 11 is about the two witnesses that represent the ancient places and is reflective of the journey to places and through the books.  It fits before Chapter 7 but before Chapter 6.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+11&ver=kjv

Chapter 12 Casting of Dragon during the tribulation towards the end and mention of thise in a safe places.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+12&ver=kjv

Chapter 13 the time during tribulation

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+13&ver=kjv

Chapter 14 The actual judgement event, towards the end

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+14&ver=kjv

Chapter 15  This would be towards the end process of tribulation. John seeing the end victory of man in Heaven and some how related to the Seven plagues.  Perhaps a glimpse of what the raptured see in heaven during the tribulation period in that safe place.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+15&ver=kjv

Chapter 16 Again the Action of the 7 Seven angels and the vials of judgment.  Which comes as a thief in the night for many.  Its about the Seventh Angel

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+16&ver=kjv

Chapter 17  The time of victory and the announcement approaching the end of the Seven year cycle.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+17&ver=kjv

Chapter 18  To me has reflection of event on earth during the Seven years of tribulation.
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+18&ver=kjv

Chapter 19  The end time vision of the end of Judgment when the Lord comes in Victory

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+19&ver=kjv

Chapter 20 
There appears to be a completion of judgment when the remnant return and it takes 1000 years to restore the planet for another event which I think is the lowering of out first translation temple on earth.  Perhaps end time vision of a final judgment which occurs in a thousand years time and this event is perhaps the initial stage of judgment but creates a huge change.  This maybe correct as the Last Rebel, Caligastia is interned through a complete pre judgment in this time and the final judgment in a thousand years with healed nations and a planet.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+20&ver=kjv

Chapter 21 A glimpse after the final judgment of the translation temple coming to earth built in space, descending to Earth on a rebuilt planet on the principles of Jesus.  The final vision for in the next thousand years but for this to occur a great change must occur now in our time.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+21&ver=kjv

Chapter 22 Jesus  appears in that time when all things are restored. A glimpse of heaven and what we shall experience in heaven, translation will be available through the translation temple rather than death.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+22&ver=kjv

and

Revelation 1 to 3 are messages to the churches at the end times.

Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Revelation 4  Johns Vision of Heaven and the throne of God where his vision emantes from.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+4&ver=kjv

Chapter 5 is about the opening of the book of the Seventh mystery, an on the run book over time with discoveries from the beginning leading to the activation of the tribulation period.  This book that was opened and all the other books activated the Seven seals and the things during the tribulation period.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Revelation+5&ver=kjv

In summary its about the opening of the book, the rapture and the glimpse in heaven of the raptured and the messages from the angel whilst simultaneously you have glimpses of the Seven year tribulation period and all the heavenly and earthly activity upon the earth.  Then a judgment comes after a Seven year period which removes the last rebel and then a thousand years of rebuilding ensues.  Then another final judgment occurs in a thousand years and then the the first translation temple is built in space and lowers to the ground\ and maybe Jesus might come then?? or maybe now too in this end time period.

 

The opened book is the on the run witness to the Father in Heaven and it involves the end from the beginning. some links

http://www.focusontheprophecies.org/

Very interesting link about a 2014, the leap year and the connection with the Jewish feasts.   It also connects with  Daniels time line that I am following and completes on December 3rd 08, Day 337.

Here is an extract from the link above

This is an updated Timeline of the 7-year tribulation and how the feasts and fasts of Israel may be fulfilled.

Possible timeline of events of the end times

· This Timetable is only an example using current dates to show how
end times prophecy might be fulfilled on the Jewish Feasts and Fasts. Though these feasts and corresponding dates given here are compelling, it does not necessarily mean that they will be fulfilled on these dates, this timing could reoccur at some time in the more distant future.
· This timetable is based primarily upon the Jewish calendar made up of twelve 30-day months or 360 days. Each half of the “week” or half of the “seven years” contains a leap year. In the Jewish calendar an extra month is added at the end of a leap year making the year 390 days. In this timetable the leap years occur in 2011, 2014 and 2016.
· Since 2011 is a leap year in the Jewish calendar the first half of the tribulation will be 1290 days.
Because 2014 is a leap year the second half of the tribulation will be 1290 days according to the Jewish calendar. The 1335 days of Daniel 8:4 follows 45 days after .

Opening of Seals 1-4 occurs sometime around the following dates or thereafter? Effects intensify as 70th week approaches. (Revelation 6:1-7) over ¼ of earth affected by conquering nations, economic crisis leading to famine, war, death.

Here are some video about the eclipse on the Jewish feast on 2014-2015


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:10 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv7s0kgCPO8

and here is an interesting video and parallels in many ways to the journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGwWhTC91_I

even more compelling refers to Daniel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRySUUyefFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHQ3a7iWXPA&feature=related


Another fragment
http://www.focusontheprophecies.org/

September 25, 2014- Rosh Hashanah- Bowls 1-4? (Over the course of this month). (Revelation 16:1-8)
Malignant sores upon those with mark of the beast,
Water turned to blood, everything in the sea dies.
Sun scorches men.
Agricultural Sabbath Begins
October 4, 2014- Yom Kippur
October 8, 2014 Total lunar eclipse
October 9-15, 2014- Sukkot - Agricultural Sabbath begins

December 17-23, 2014- Hanukkah

March 20, 2015- (1 Adar)Spring equinox- total solar eclipse.
Bowl 5? Kingdom of beast darkened and afflicted with pain. (Revelation 16:10,11)

April 4-10, 2015- Passover, (4th) total lunar eclipse (April 5 – Easter)

May 24, 2015- Shavuot (Christian Pentecost)


July 26, 2015- Tisha Bav
July 31, 2015- Tu Bav - Threshing begins, unbelieving Jews, killed by plagues (Isaiah 27:12)

September 14, 2015- Rosh Hashanah - Bowl 6 (Over the course of this month) Euphrates dries up.
(Revelation 16:12)
September 23, 2015- Yom Kippur
September 28- October 5, 2015 Sukkot (28th) Total lunar eclipse. Agricultural Sabbath ends.
Sabbath Jubilee begins????

Sevens


Links on Melchizedek

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2535340/Melchizedek

Very interesting information about Melchizedek in history.

Extract from this link

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2535340/Melchizedek

another fragment

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2535340/Melchizedek

 


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:09 am Meteor post

I was doing some private studies and contemplation.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues25.htm

This study involved just searching the internet and I was going through revelation and write some thoughts on meteorites.

I was going through some information about the Melchizedek in history and suddenly I saw a news report and police video about this bright meteorite seen in Canada.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... 6293ac0fd1

Here is some video

Then as I got some more news results I saw this story about a meteorite seen over CYPRUS

Here is a new report.

http://www.famagusta-gazette.com/defaul ... te&he=.com

Wow meteorite seen over Cyprus near 1stEden. How symbolic is this throughout the timeline of the day and thoughts concerning these things..


Meteor sighted over Cyprus
 

This photo shows a possible meteor in the northern Alberta skies (Canada) on Thursday

This photo shows a possible meteor in the northern Alberta skies (Canada) on Thursday

23.NOV.08
Several people in the Xylofagou district, east of Larnaca, have reported seeing a flaming object streak across the sky on Thursday night.

Despite several accounts being sent to the Famagusta Gazette about the sighting, police said they received no reports from the public.

One witness thinks it was most likely a meteorite falling to earth, “but could not be sure”.

In the past few days meteorites have been spotted in Australia, Canada and on the European mainland.

Did you see the fireball?




Sevens


Back to the Meclheizedek search

Machiventa Melchizedek from the Urantia Book

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper93.html

Fragment

2. THE SAGE OF SALEM

It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia. His coming was unspectacular; his materialization was not witnessed by human eyes. He was first observed by mortal man on that eventful day when he entered the tent of Amdon, a Chaldean herder of Sumerian extraction. And the proclamation of his mission was embodied in the simple statement which he made to this shepherd, "I am Melchizedek, priest of El Elyon, the Most High, the one and only God."

When the herder had recovered from his astonishment, and after he had plied this stranger with many questions, he asked Melchizedek to sup with him, and this was the first time in his long universe career that Machiventa had partaken of material food, the nourishment which was to sustain him throughout his ninety-four years of life as a material being.

And that night, as they talked out under the stars, Melchizedek began his mission of the revelation of the truth of the reality of God when, with a sweep of his arm, he turned to Amdon, saying, "El Elyon, the Most High, is the divine creator of the stars of the firmament and even of this very earth on which we live, and he is also the supreme God of heaven."

Within a few years Melchizedek had gathered around himself a group of pupils, disciples, and believers who formed the nucleus of the later community of Salem. He was soon known throughout Palestine as the priest of El Elyon, the Most High, and as the sage of Salem. Among some of the surrounding tribes he was often referred to as the sheik, or king, of Salem. Salem was the site which after the disappearance of Melchizedek became the city of Jebus, subsequently being called Jerusalem.

In personal appearance, Melchizedek resembled the then blended Nodite and Sumerian peoples, being almost six feet in height and possessing a commanding presence. He spoke Chaldean and a half dozen other languages. He dressed much as did the Canaanite priests except that on his breast he wore an emblem of three concentric circles, the Satania symbol of the Paradise Trinity. In the course of his ministry this insignia of three concentric circles became regarded as so sacred by his followers that they never dared to use it, and it was soon forgotten with the passing of a few generations.

Though Machiventa lived after the manner of the men of the realm, he never married, nor could he have left offspring on earth. His physical body, while resembling that of the human male, was in reality on the order of those especially constructed bodies used by the one hundred materialized members of Prince Caligastia's staff except that it did not carry the life plasm of any human race. Nor was there available on Urantia the tree of life. Had Machiventa remained for any long period on earth, his physical mechanism would have gradually deteriorated; as it was, he terminated his bestowal mission in ninety-four years long before his material body had begun to disintegrate.

Sevens


and Bethel relating to Abraham

PAPER 127 - THE ADOLESCENT YEARS, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 78:           Jesus did much thinking as they journeyed through Samaria, particularly at Bethel and when drinking from Jacob's well. He and his brother discussed the traditions of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He did much to prepare James for what he was about to witness at Jerusalem, thus seeking to lessen the shock such as he himself had experienced on his first visit to the temple. But James was not so sensitive to some of these sights. He commented on the perfunctory and heartless manner in which some of the priests performed their duties but on the whole greatly enjoyed his sojourn at Jerusalem.

and this

line 40: 2. El Elyon. For centuries after Melchizedek's sojourn at Salem his doctrine of Deity persisted in various versions but was generally connoted by the term El Elyon, the Most High God of heaven. Many Semites, including the immediate descendants of Abraham, at various times worshiped both Yahweh and El Elyon.

More interesting information from this book

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2535340/Melchizedek


and further information about Melchizedek just note that Melchizedek was not born he appeared for nearly 100 years.

nevertheless the following is interesting.

Here is a more accurate version

 and another fragment depicting the Melchizedek

2. THE SAGE OF SALEM

It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia,

UB

He Left departed on 95 years later 1878 BC

The rest of the book is fascinating however I believe the Urantia book rendition.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2535340/Melchizedek

sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:24 am

I thought this presentation of

John MacArthur: The Rapture Of The Church was very good and made sense to me and parallels much of what I found myself.


It made logical sense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzsBC2yiqG8

Here is another Rapture video

The rapture of the church..yes, and no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxA_LlQC_is

Checkout the symbol at the end of the presentation, I had to laugh!

Here is another interesting video to

How to understand the book of Revelation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50jQe6oORA

Interesting thought seeing the tribulation chapters as the same scene from different perspectives rather than a linear period. He seems to be superimposing certain chapters over each other seeing the same scene but maybe its a view of scenes simultaneously of many things happening in the same instance.

Here is another interesting one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN2c_uHJROQ

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqD_wcH1lHs

Sevens


Post Re: Why do you believe you are saved? Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:39 pm

to the 1st post
Its not a matter of believing but knowing that we are saved and this is witnessed in the personal relationship with the Father in how he guides you in doing his will.

I believe the Father wants everyone to be his counterpart in a very intimate and fruitful way.

The Father in the Kingdom of Heaven really wants to be close to us and he is definitely our friend more than anything as friendship mean alot in Heaven and on earth. He wants to work with us personally and individually.

We have a friend in Jesus who showed us the way to the Father in many ways through many levels.

Something like that!

Sevens


Following the track of Ratta

http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2007/10/origin-of-rastrakuta.html

Punjab origin
The appearance of the terms Rathika, Ristika (Rashtrika) or Lathika in conjunction with the
terms Kambhoja and Gandhara in some Ashokan inscriptions of 2nd century BCE from Mansera and Shahbazgarhi in North Western Frontier Province (present day Pakisthan), Girnar
(Saurashtra) and Dhavali (Kalinga) and the use of the epithet "Ratta" in many later inscriptions has prompted a claim that the earliest Rashtrakutas were descendants of the Arattas, natives of the Punjab region from the time of Mahabharata who later migrated south and set up kingdoms there, while another theory points more generally to north western regions of India. Based on this theory, the Arattas may have become natives of the Deccan having arrived there during the early centuries of the first millennium. But this is a far fetched theory having no proof.

Maharastra origin
Term Rishtika used together with Petenika in the Ashokan inscriptions implied they were hereditary ruling clans from modern Maharashtra region and the term "Ratta" implied Maharatta ruling families from modern Maharashtra region. But this has been rejected on the basis that from ancient books such as Dipavamsha and Mahavamsha in Pali language it is known the term Maharatta and not Rashtrika has been used to signify hereditary ruling clans from modern Maharashtra region and the terms Rashtrika and Petenika appear to be two different displaced ruling tribes.

and

The epithet Ratta, it is a Kannada word from which the word Rashtrakuta has been derived. The use of the word Rattagudlu (meaning an office) has been found in inscriptions from present day Andhra Pradesh dated prior to the 8th century indicating it was a South Indian word. From the Deoli plates and Karhad records it is clear prince called Ratta and his son was called Rashtrakuta. Thus Rashtrakutas were of Kannada origin. It is also said the term Rashtra means "kingdom" and Kuta means "lofty" or Rashtra

Another epithet used in inscriptions of Amoghavarsha I was Lattalura Puravaradhiswara. It referes to their original home Lattalur, modern day Latur in Maharashtra state, bordering Karnataka. This area was predominantly Kannada speaking based on surviving vestiges of place names, inscriptions and cultural relics. So Latta is a Prakrit variation of Ratta and hence Rattana-ur became Lattana-ur and finally Lattalur. means state and Kuta means chieftain.


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:01 pm

Did you know:

 

Quote:

"The oldest name of Babylon, Tin-tir-ki, meant ‘the place of the tree of life’.
• The name Euphrates was applied to the rope of the world, to the encircling river of the snake god of the tree of life, to the heavenly river which surrounds the earth (Sumerian)."



This is about the 2nd Garden of Eden.

From here

http://firstlegend.info/thetreeoflife.html


and here is an interesting fragment about the Esagil, ancient Babylon a place we visited in this journey.

 

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Axis Mundi and the World Tree
The Axis Mundi is a term for the center or axis upon which the world revolves. It is a vertical column connecting the heavens, the earthly plain and the underworld. In Babylon Marduke's temple Esagil was considered the location of the axis mundi. In other words Ensagil represented the center of the world. Not only that but it was constructed over the place where life originated and the first humans were created (by Marduke). On this vertical column were also located the heavenly temple of An and the underworld temple of Ea - three temples aligned vertically upon one another. More interestingly the axis mundi is also represented by the world tree or a sacred tree. This tree was supposedly planted by Inanna. Previous to Babylon the axis mundi was resident at Nippur whose god was Enlil one of the highest gods of the Sumerian pantheon. This concept of a world tree has been copied into other cultures around the world. The following quote is astounding considering it is from the Mesoamerican Mayas:

"In Mesoamerican theology, the world tree grew at the locus of creation, all things flowing out from that spot into four directions. The tree thus forms part of what Mircea Eliade refers to as the "symbolism of the center." The center is, first and foremost, the point of "absolute beginning," where the latent energies of the sacred world first comes into being. 8 The source of all creation was often seen as a vertical axis, or axis mundi, which stands at the center of the comos and passes through each of the three major layers of existence - underworld, terrettrial plane, and the sky.

On public monuments, the oldest and most frequent manner in which the [Maya] king was displayed was in the guise of the World Tree.... This Tree was the conduit of communication between the supernatural world and the human world. The souls of the dead fell into [the underworld] along its path; the daily journeys of the sun, moon, planets, and stars followed its trunk. The Vision Serpent symbolizing communion with the world of the ancestors and the gods emerged into our world along it. The king was this axis and pivot made flesh. He was the Tree of Life."



http://firstlegend.info/thetreeoflife.html

The tree of life perpetuated in Sumeria





and remember this symbol found near the Esagil in ancient Babylon

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I feel the above images has all to do with Van highland Capital in North East Iran and was also the temporary home of the tree of life therefore carrying the same symbol. This highland capital equates to the mythical mountain Kingdom of Aratta a perpetuation of the Adamson and Ratta kingdom that in its height between 36,000BC to 29,000BC, The legend traveled down the generations through these places. The Kingdom of Aratta.

The Jetstone in the following was found in Adonia/Anau near Ashgabat.

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Excellent link,
Excellent research and fills the many gaps to my research with mine being on the run.

http://firstlegend.info/introduction.html#intro

And here is further information about VAN

confirming much
http://firstlegend.info/van.html

and here is a perpetuation of Van found in Assyria,



Note: the 3 circles in the above of Van and the circle from he emanates from. Similar to the Boy God NeZha in Chinese culture and his circles that slay the Dragon and similar to the winged disk of the Sumerians.

Van has the fruit of the tree of life in his hands and note there are 3 circles and he has a smile on his face.

Found in Urartu, near Lake Van in the lands of the Vanites or the Vanir.
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Van has the fruit of the tree of life in his hands and note there are 3 and he has a smile on his face.

Found in Urartu, near Lake Van in the lands of the Vanites or the Vanir.


Sevens


MDP 27 216

1-2. (cf. 6.1.09.a3, 6.1.10.3-4, 6.2.5: IM 43438 Seg. A l. 2) When the authorities are wise, and the poor are loyal, it is the effect of the blessing of . Aratta

http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/proverbs/t.6.2.2.html


 

and

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The most intriguing part is that there are 2 towns and a city that beholds the name Van in there names and they are all North North West of Vans Highland Capital Temple, almost North.

The name of these towns and a city is

 

    RashVanlu 9.8km from Vans temple
    MayVan 19.7km from Vans temple
    ShirVan 40.2km from Vans temple

As the crows flies

All in a straight line from the temple almost North.

I thought that interesting. Van must play an interesting part in the names of close by villages and cities of today.

Really couldn't get more Obvious.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:53 pm
Antique ShirVan Kuba

Note: the diamond shape and the middle circle and the subtle triangle co planar arrangement not to mention other things! An ancient symbol perpetuated through the making of rugs that emantes from the Kingdom of Van and Aratta where the reflection of this early culture is still with us today.

and

In the above link I found the old emblem of ShirVan and superimposed the emblem over the Van/Aratta temple and came up with some interesting results.

Its a match!



Shirvan
Literally meaning "Land of the Lions" in Persian.

The Stone Boy
The Stone Boy

The ShirVan Emblem and its relation to the Van/Aratta temple 40km to the South in the highlands.



Interesting link about patterns of ShirVan.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/857910

 

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:55 am

More about the rugs pattern design of ShirVan



http://www.jstor.org/pss/857910

and more rug designs with familiar designs that emanate East/West from the Van/Aratta highland capital throughout the world.

http://zangezur.tripod.com/rugs/armrug.html

and again other very interesting motives and symbols that we have seen before.

http://www.turkotek.com/mini_salon_00008/mini_8_topic_1.htm



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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

A link information about the General area that link from Lake Van Turkey to Vans highland Capital in Khorasan, Iran

http://www.tourism.az/?menu=9&submenu=91&lang=eng

 

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GOBUSTAN PETROGLYPHS - AN OUTDOOR MUSEUM. Prehistoric rock drawings - petroglyphs - are an art "archive" of the human evolution on Earth. The "articles" of such archives are the first transmissions from the human "I" to the outer world. There are a few of such outdoor "archives" in Azerbaijan. One of them, the largest, is located in Gobustan, at the Baku State Reserve of History, Ethnography and Arts, near Baku. It is a rocky massif on the bottom of the southeast part of the Great Caucasus Range, near the Caspian Sea and a modern highway built on the ancient Shirvan road.

A great number of rock drawings, dwellings, ancient settlement sites and mounds have been found here. D. Rustamov and F. Muradova, a married couple of archeologists who devoted 35 years to the research of Gobustan maintain that the most ancient group of Gobustan petroglyphs is the most optimistic and in spite of the basic form of self-description presents a very informative picture of the human life in the dawn of the development of humanity. They studied about 20 rock dwellings and settlements, excavated around 40 mounds and revealed 300 new rocks and stones with drawings. However, the stones of Gobustan are not only witnesses of the most ancient ages of human life. They reflect the history of the region during the period of over 15 thousands of years, from the Lower Paleolithic to The Middle Ages.

The first researcher of Gobustan who introduced this unique place to the world science in 1939 was archeologist Izhak Dzhafarzade.

By now, over 4000 petroglyphs (rock drawings in the style of wooden engraving) have been found and studied. Among these there are pictures of hunt, fishing, domestic life, group dances, various symbols including solar (fylfot, spiral, cross), constellations, men and women (interestingly, women hunted along with men), pictures of animals - gazelles, aurochs, lions, goats, pictures of reed boats, two-wheeled carts, human traces. There are remains of unique "plates" - depressions carved in stones and even ornamented. There are also unusual "musical instruments" - stones producing loud sounds, each stone with its own timbre. This is the "Gaval-Dash", the tambourine stone.

The rocks of Gobustan also retain the evidence of the presence of Roman legionnaires crossing this attractive region in the 1st century BC. A rock has been found here with the carved inscription in Latin written by Roman centurions of the XII Legio Fulminata. The inscription reads that the Emperor Domitianus Caesar Augustus Germanicus ruled in Rome at the time. Now Gobustan is nominated for the inclusion in the list of "World Legacy" maintained by UNESCO



You will find the most ancient petroglyphs in these areas.

The rocks of Gobustan

http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/62_folder/62_articles/62_gobustan.html



more links following the Vanites.

http://www.donsmaps.com/gobustan.html

and another intriguing petroglyph from Gobustan the general area of the Van cultural influence.
 

http://www.donsmaps.com/gobustan.html#colour

and again the same 3 co planar symbol in another culture in their petroglyphs.

and once again we see the travels of the Co planar symbol influence of Van/Adamson/Ratta culture through these ancient peoples.

Experts put date to UK rock art - 12,800 years BBC - April 25, 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bristol/somerset/4476303.stm

http://www.crystalinks.com/petroglyphs.html

and we are familiar with this co planar symbol in the Sumerian culture 6000 years ago and further.

http://www.crystalinks.com/amphibiousgods.html

To me the symbol interprets as the Tree of Life and the memory of it or even a future prophecy of the tree.

Gobustan, part I - Baku, Azerbaijan

How fitting

and this http://resources.net.az/gob/photos.htm

Gobustan - the memory of stones
Note:  the 3 co planar circles symbol

and note in the following the Brontosaurus looking dinosaur.


http://resources.net.az/gob/photos.htm

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:14 am

Here is an early post on some rock art found near Lakes Sevan and Van.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues.htm#Rockart
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-c ... tm#rockart

Here is some reflection to judgment day on the Quran
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues25.htm#AL


more rugs designs and symbols
http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00082/salon.html

http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00082/salon.html

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YUSUFALI: But those who believe and work righteousness will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow,- to dwell therein for aye with the leave of their Lord. Their greeting therein will be: "Peace!"

PICKTHAL: And those who believed and did good works are made to enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein abiding by permission of their Lord, their greeting therein: Peace!
SHAKIR: And those who believe and do good are made to enter gardens, beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them by their Lord's permission; their greeting therein is, Peace.

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YUSUFALI: Seest thou not how Allah sets forth a parable? - A goodly word like a goodly tree, whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches (reach) to the heavens,- of its Lord. So Allah sets forth parables for men, in order that they may receive admonition.

PICKTHAL: Seest thou not how Allah coineth a similitude: A goodly saying, as a goodly tree, its root set firm, its branches reaching into heaven,
SHAKIR: Have you not considered how Allah sets forth a parable of a good word (being) like a good tree, whose root is firm and whose branches are in heaven,

Here is an interesting fragment found in the Quran which gives the time of Judgment day at around of a time of Solar eclipse



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we have a pair of Berber "khamsehs" - the word means five - for the fingers of the hand. You'll see the first bears the Star of David - one of the ancient symbols in this ancient part of the world. Some writers have interpreted this star as two pyramids superimposed, the one atop the other - again, an ancient symbol of great power. The second



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http://www.turkotek.com/salon_00082/salon.html

Caucasian Shirvan rug: Shirvan rug with tree-of-life border
http://www.richardrothstein.com/shirvan ... r087r.html



and note the 3 coplanar symbol on the following ShirVan rug



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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:34 am

Daniel Prophecy from Jewish perspective

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qJfjn_H3Tc

Note the stone that comes out of the mountain that smashes things

Evidence!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWdPL8X6Rr4

Note... Set apart and the end from the beginning.



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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:56 pm

I feel the videos in the above a fairly spot on.

We are in the times of the ten Kings, ultimate worldwide financial control and overlord.

The stone cut out of the mountain if feel is about Jesus but it also doubles for the presentation of Jesus that comes from the beginning. The beginning is being presented in line with prophecy and I feel is also consistent to the mountain that smashes untruth.

Here in the following is references of "the end from the beginning" in the Urantia Book and who its related to.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... +beginning

 

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Results for query "end from the beginning"


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PAPER 6 - THE ETERNAL SON, Oct 19 2000

line 80: The Original Son is universally and spiritually self-conscious. In wisdom the Son is the full equal of the Father. In the realms of knowledge, omniscience, we cannot distinguish between the First and Second Sources; like the Father, the Son knows all; he is never surprised by any universe event; he comprehends the end from the beginning.


PAPER 2 - THE NATURE OF GOD, Oct 19 2000

line 40: The Father constantly and unfailingly meets the need of the differential of demand for himself as it changes from time to time in various sections of his master universe. The great God knows and understands himself; he is infinitely self-conscious of all his primal attributes of perfection. God is not a cosmic accident; neither is he a universe experimenter. The Universe Sovereigns may engage in adventure; the Constellation Fathers may experiment; the system heads may practice; but the Universal Father sees the end from the beginning, and his divine plan and eternal purpose actually embrace and comprehend all the experiments and all the adventures of all his subordinates in every world, system, and constellation in every universe of his vast domains.


line 55: Even your olden prophets understood the eternal, never-beginning, never-ending, circular nature of the Universal Father. God is literally and eternally present in his universe of universes. He inhabits the present moment with all his absolute majesty and eternal greatness. "The Father has life in himself, and this life is eternal life." Throughout the eternal ages it has been the Father who "gives to all life." There is infinite perfection in the divine integrity. "I am the Lord; I change not." Our knowledge of the universe of universes discloses not only that he is the Father of lights, but also that in his conduct of interplanetary affairs there "is no variableness neither shadow of changing." He "declares the end from the beginning." He says: "My counsel shall stand; I will do all my pleasures" "according to the eternal purpose which I purposed in my Son." Thus are the plans and purposes of the First Source and Center like himself: eternal, perfect, and forever changeless.

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PAPER 141 - BEGINNING THE PUBLIC WORK, Oct 19 2000

line 124: James was astonished at how Jesus seemed to see the end from the beginning. The Master rarely appeared to be surprised. He was never excited, vexed, or disconcerted. He never apologized to any man. He was at times saddened, but never discouraged.



This journey to the ancient places is about the End from the Beginning, Dalamatia City City is about the Beginning, the first place where the first desolation occurred and I believe its about the End from the Beginning, Truth victorious over untruth from the beginning which means the end of the last rebel and judgment before the 1000 year reign before we receive our first translation temple.

Praise the Lord!

The End from the Beginning!

I believe this journey is part of the ministry of the Jesus and Melchizedek because its an exploration into the beginning of everything on this planet in parallel with prophecy relating to wasted cities and the correction of truth in verification.

In the bible there are references to "the End from the Beginning"

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... ng&ver=kjv

 

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the end from the beginning (King James Version)

Deuteronomy 11:12
A land which the Lord thy God careth for: the eyes of the Lord thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.


Psalm 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.


Ecclesiastes 3:11
He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.


Isaiah 46:10

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
 

(like in this journey back to ancient times declaring "the end from the beginning" which brings us to the present in prophecy.

Now outside the Bible and the Urantia Book there are also additional references to the end from the beginning.

 

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GThom 1
And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."
(implies rapture)

and here is another intersecting parallel from the Book of Thomas.

"Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death,"


Again reflections of this journey to the ancient places with all the characteristics of the end from the beginning.

You find the same reference in the Mormon Book of Abraham

http://scriptures.lds.org/abr/2/8#8
 

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7 For I am the Lord thy God; I dwell in aheaven; the earth is my bfootstool; I stretch my hand over the sea, and it obeys my voice; I cause the wind and the fire to be my cchariot; I say to the mountains—Depart hence—and behold, they are taken away by a whirlwind, in an instant, suddenly.


8 My name is Jehovah, and I know the end from the beginning; therefore my hand shall be over thee.


9 And I will make of thee a great anation, and I will bbless thee above measure, and make thy name great among all nations, and thou shalt be a blessing unto thy seed after thee, that in their hands they shall bear this ministry and Priesthood unto all nations;



The End from the Beginning is everywhere.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:51 pm


Here are some prophetical verses of Isaiah. "from the beginning"

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... g+&ver=kjv

 

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Isaiah 18:2
That sendeth ambassadors by the sea, even in vessels of bulrushes upon the waters, saying, Go, ye swift messengers, to a nation scattered and peeled, to a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden down, whose land the rivers have spoiled!

Isaiah 18:7
In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion.

Isaiah 40:21
Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 41:26
Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.

Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Isaiah 48:3
I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

Isaiah 48:5
I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

Isaiah 48:7
They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.

Isaiah 48:16
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.



Much comes from the beginning in prophecy.

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the UB
When a Son of the Eternal Son appeared on Urantia, those who fraternized with this divine being in human form alluded to him as "He who was from the beginning, whom we have heard, whom we have seen with our eyes, whom we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, even the Word of life."




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Icon 1 posted 11-29-2008 03:33 Am


I know the feeling, Ive been on the atheist site for some time and personally I think they are the dumbest people around, Totally stupid in there front position built on total bias and cannot in any way prove there case.

There just idiots. They are the first to deny but will be the first to ask for help when they out of there comfort zone that's how cowardly they are.

When it comes to the real tribulation the Atheist is not one to rely on as he will be running under the hills for his own protection, stuff everybody else. They are the most selfish people around and they know very little and cannot demonstrate their so called rubbish truth on the spiritual level null and void.

The are the first to go down to their own destruction.

The angels find it difficult to help the Atheist as he has already turned his back on the spiritual heritage of the planet.

When it comes to tribulation and judgment the Atheist will not have one hope, nothing!!! he has already been cut off and there will be no allowance for that cold hearted murderous in spirit Atheist.

The thing is judgment is about faith in the beforehand, not after but in the beforehand and that's where the Atheist totally fails the judgment of mankind.

Really speaking their Atheist is the most spiritually ugly person and who walks with Caligastia in unbelief and in spiritual perversion.

Also the guy denying Jewish temples or promoting untruth is just a version of the walking dead with no future on any level. All he does is promote untruth in his bias creating mischief. Nothing but bullshit without demonstration and perverting the truth of the bible in some way to justify his total crap! All they can think of DEATH and DESTRUCTION of the other guy, that's all they think of in there peanut brains. They will even pervert their own book to justify the Bull of death and destruction on the innocent guy.

How screwed up is that, that some feeble minded idiot under the control of Caligastia using the front of a limited religion who perverts weak minded people to cut short the destiny of innocent people. Incredible isn't it!!

There is no prize for cutting short the destiny of innocent people, the only prize is personality extinction of the perpetrator.

Totally against the Paradise will for mankind.

To me the Atheist and the terrorist is much the same, all leading people in the wrong direction to self destruction.


Sevens


Post Re: Yahweh's dietary laws Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:30 pm

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"Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the Feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and Truth." (1 Corinthians 5:7-8 KJV)



It seems to me that Sincerity and truth is the essential part of this verse.

Unleavened to me is Like Raw truth, new expanded truth letting go of manufactured truth. Like gold replacing brass! with honesty and sincerity.

Interesting verse, a type for the end times in unleavened truth revealed in the presentation before the end comes. Without Jesus and the Kingdom of Heaven the whole truth of everything would never be revealed.

I praise the Lord for his unleavened bread.

Thank the Lord for that!!!!!! I praise the Lord!

The unleavened bread/truth of Jesus is hope of the elect and faithful in these rugged times of great change and perplexity. Those who partake of this unleavened bread have nothing to worry about at all in the end times in light of honest sincere truth/bread.

I noticed the verse said "Purge out therefore the old leaven," To me it means forsake the old for the new, purge out embedded untruth for the New truth or bread. Get rid of the things that hold his faith back or creates a blockage for man in his relationship with the Father. Could be a number of things especially man made doctrine and dogma.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods  Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:39 am

Hi ArchMichael

Come what may my brother, May the light of the Lord shine upon your face and from within you may he bless you and keep in all things.

Anyway, I was reflecting about the smoking flax unquenched line in the bible and our respective thoughts on the verse. Today a friend of mine, in her studies alerted me to this fragment in the Urantia Book where this verse fragment is found.

While we have our personal thoughts about this verse, the Urantia Book also offers its own thoughts that I thought would be valuable for us both.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... ine=96#mfs

 

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5. THE PURPOSE OF AFFLICTION
At another of these private interviews in the garden Nathaniel asked Jesus: "Master, though I am beginning to understand why you refuse to practice healing indiscriminately, I am still at a loss to understand why the loving Father in heaven permits so many of his children on earth to suffer so many afflictions." The Master answered Nathaniel, saying:

"Nathaniel, you and many others are thus perplexed because you do not comprehend how the natural order of this world has been so many times upset by the sinful adventures of certain rebellious traitors to the Father's will. And I have come to make a beginning of setting these things in order. But many ages will be required to restore this part of the universe to former paths and thus release the children of men from the extra burdens of sin and rebellion. The presence of evil alone is sufficient test for the ascension of man--sin is not essential to survival.

"But, my son, you should know that the Father does not purposely afflict his children. Man brings down upon himself unnecessary affliction as a result of his persistent refusal to walk in the better ways of the divine will. Affliction is potential in evil, but much of it has been produced by sin and iniquity. Many unusual events have transpired on this world, and it is not strange that all thinking men should be perplexed by the scenes of suffering and affliction which they witness. But of one thing you may be sure: The Father does not send affliction as an arbitrary punishment for wrongdoing. The imperfections and handicaps of evil are inherent; the penalties of sin are inevitable; the destroying consequences of iniquity are inexorable. Man should not blame God for those afflictions which are the natural result of the life which he chooses to live; neither should man complain of those experiences which are a part of life as it is lived on this world. It is the Father's will that mortal man should work persistently and consistently toward the betterment of his estate on earth. Intelligent application would enable man to overcome much of his earthly misery.



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"Nathaniel, it is our mission to help men solve their spiritual problems and in this way to quicken their minds so that they may be the better prepared and inspired to go about solving their manifold material problems. I know of your confusion as you have read the Scriptures. All too often there has prevailed a tendency to ascribe to God the responsibility for everything which ignorant man fails to understand. The Father is not personally responsible for all you may fail to comprehend. Do not doubt the love of the Father just because some just and wise law of his ordaining chances to afflict you because you have innocently or deliberately transgressed such a divine ordinance.

"But, Nathaniel, there is much in the Scriptures which would have instructed you if you had only read with discernment. Do you not remember that it is written: `My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction, for whom the Lord loves he corrects, even as the father corrects the son in whom he takes delight.' `The Lord does not afflict willingly.' `Before I was afflicted, I went astray, but now do I keep the law. Affliction was good for me that I might thereby learn the divine statutes.' `I know your sorrows. The eternal God is your refuge, while underneath are the everlasting arms.' `The Lord also is a refuge for the oppressed, a haven of rest in times of trouble.' `The Lord will strengthen him upon the bed of affliction; the Lord will not forget the sick.' `As a father shows compassion for his children, so is the Lord compassionate to those who fear him. He knows your body; he remembers that you are dust.' `He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.' `He is the hope of the poor, the strength of the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, and a shadow from the devastating heat.' `He gives power to the faint, and to them who have no might he increases strength.' `A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he will not quench.' `When you pass through the waters of affliction, I will be with you, and when the rivers of adversity overflow you, I will not forsake you.' `He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and to comfort all who mourn.' `There is correction in suffering; affliction does not spring forth from the dust.'"



Note the revelators relate this verse in context to affliction and correction with refuge where the Father will not abandon man whilst in affliction. To me in terms of end times its a period of affliction and correction in the the construct I have in my mind the waters of affliction could very be a reflection of where the final message comes from.

The Lord will be with us "He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and to comfort all who mourn." being the beginning of Jesus' ministry and perhaps the end times and the final presentation is part of the Jesus ministry.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:50 am

 

In the following is an description of the first SCHOOL OF THE PROPHETS set up by Jesus himself.

Note this is a structure that one could find interesting especially the principles of which this is based.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper14 ... 20PROPHETS

 

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1. A NEW SCHOOL OF THE PROPHETS
Peter, James, and Andrew were the committee designated by Jesus to pass upon applicants for admission to the school of evangelists. All the races and


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nationalities of the Roman world and the East, as far as India, were represented among the students in this new school of the prophets. This school was conducted on the plan of learning and doing. What the students learned during the forenoon they taught to the assembly by the seaside during the afternoon. After supper they informally discussed both the learning of the forenoon and the teaching of the afternoon.

Each of the apostolic teachers taught his own view of the gospel of the kingdom. They made no effort to teach just alike; there was no standardized or dogmatic formulation of theologic doctrines. Though they all taught the same truth, each apostle presented his own personal interpretation of the Master's teaching. And Jesus upheld this presentation of the diversity of personal experience in the things of the kingdom, unfailingly harmonizing and co-ordinating these many and divergent views of the gospel at his weekly question hours. Notwithstanding this great degree of personal liberty in matters of teaching, Simon Peter tended to dominate the theology of the school of evangelists. Next to Peter, James Zebedee exerted the greatest personal influence.

The one hundred and more evangelists trained during this five months by the seaside represented the material from which (excepting Abner and John's apostles) the later seventy gospel teachers and preachers were drawn. The school of evangelists did not have everything in common to the same degree as did the twelve.

These evangelists, though they taught and preached the gospel, did not baptize believers until after they were later ordained and commissioned by Jesus as the seventy messengers of the kingdom. Only seven of the large number healed at the sundown scene at this place were to be found among these evangelistic students. The nobleman's son of Capernaum was one of those trained for gospel service in Peter's school.



In the above could be the basis of a whole new spiritual church of Jesus for the new age after this judgment period and in preperation of the Mellinium translation temple in the next thousand years.

Note all the principles in this school of the prophets.

 

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This school was conducted on the plan of learning and doing.

students learned during the forenoon they taught to the assembly by the seaside during the afternoon.

they informally discussed both the learning of the forenoon and the teaching of the afternoon.

Each of the apostolic teachers taught his own view of the gospel of the kingdom.

They made no effort to teach just alike; there was no standardized or dogmatic formulation of theologic doctrines.

Notwithstanding this great degree of personal liberty in matters of teaching,

Jesus upheld this presentation of the diversity of personal experience in the things of the kingdom, unfailingly harmonizing and co-ordinating these many and divergent views of the gospel at his weekly question hours.



Sounds like a very stimulating schools of Prophets that is based on a very good foundation.

Im so inspired I propose The School of Prophets for this day and Age.

The Seven School of Prophets.

A forum can be a great area to have a School of Prophets based on the above principles of the first School of Prophets.

After Jesus' death the Seventy who came from the school of prophets was placed under the leadership of Abner whose headquarters was in Philadelphia. The Seventy continued there teachings was absorbed into Mohammedanism 400AD. Thats why there is much commonality of Islam and Christianity in the end times overview. However, Johns Revelation including the Old testament prophets, many other Jewish books including Enoch and the Odes of Solomon are the most accurate of the end times overview in my view.


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Post Re: Seven School of Prophets Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:26 am

l was inspired with the above I opened a forum

The School of Prophets. It will evolve as I go.

http://dalamatiacity.com/prophets/index.php

Sevens


« on: November 29, 2008, 11:56:31 PM » New Forum

The creation of the school of prophets was inspired by reading the fragment about the School of Prophets found in the Urantia Book in the 4 section, the life and teachings of Jesus.

Here is the actual post on the End time forum which was stimulated this inspiration.

End Times forum (you might have to join to see the post)

http://www.thendtimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=950&p=48727#p48727
http://www.thendtimes.com

This principles of the Seven School of the Prophets was inspired by reading this fragment from the Urantia Book.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper148.html#1.%20A%20NEW%20SCHOOL%20OF%20THE%20PROPHETS

 

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1. A NEW SCHOOL OF THE PROPHETS
Peter, James, and Andrew were the committee designated by Jesus to pass upon applicants for admission to the school of evangelists. All the races and


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nationalities of the Roman world and the East, as far as India, were represented among the students in this new school of the prophets. This school was conducted on the plan of learning and doing. What the students learned during the forenoon they taught to the assembly by the seaside during the afternoon. After supper they informally discussed both the learning of the forenoon and the teaching of the afternoon.

Each of the apostolic teachers taught his own view of the gospel of the kingdom. They made no effort to teach just alike; there was no standardized or dogmatic formulation of theologic doctrines. Though they all taught the same truth, each apostle presented his own personal interpretation of the Master's teaching. And Jesus upheld this presentation of the diversity of personal experience in the things of the kingdom, unfailingly harmonizing and co-ordinating these many and divergent views of the gospel at his weekly question hours. Notwithstanding this great degree of personal liberty in matters of teaching, Simon Peter tended to dominate the theology of the school of evangelists. Next to Peter, James Zebedee exerted the greatest personal influence.

The one hundred and more evangelists trained during this five months by the seaside represented the material from which (excepting Abner and John's apostles) the later seventy gospel teachers and preachers were drawn. The school of evangelists did not have everything in common to the same degree as did the twelve.

These evangelists, though they taught and preached the gospel, did not baptize believers until after they were later ordained and commissioned by Jesus as the seventy messengers of the kingdom. Only seven of the large number healed at the sundown scene at this place were to be found among these evangelistic students. The nobleman's son of Capernaum was one of those trained for gospel service in Peter's school.


In point form this the basis of the school of prophets

 

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This school was conducted on the plan of learning and doing.

students learned during the forenoon they taught to the assembly by the seaside during the afternoon.

they informally discussed both the learning of the forenoon and the teaching of the afternoon.

Each of the apostolic teachers taught his own view of the gospel of the kingdom.

Though they all taught the same truth.

They made no effort to teach just alike; there was no standardized or dogmatic formulation of theologic doctrines.

Notwithstanding this great degree of personal liberty in matters of teaching,

Jesus upheld this presentation of the diversity of personal experience in the things of the kingdom, unfailingly harmonizing and co-ordinating these many and divergent views of the gospel at his weekly question hours.


Since Jesus is not here physically to teach us personally,  the next best thing is what remains of the truth of Jesus and through the aid of the Holy Spirit and from the Father fragment of faith within us to guide us to the highest ideal of truth, beauty and goodness in our daily lives.  The teaching basis of this school is the Urantia Book because the idea came from the Urantia Book and from this basis all books and resources such as the Bible, the Koran, the Book of Enoch and many other book can used in the hope of achieving the highest harmonization with the greatest and most accurate interpretation of truth that can be explored to verify a more expanded truth for the future of mankind.

All are welcome in the discussion.

More will be added to this as the idea formulates and refines in my mind.

Blessings Sevens


Icon 1 posted 11-30-2008 01:55 PM


Icon 1 posted 11-30-2008 01:55 PM


the history of Baku seems to point to the Vanites under the influence of Van and the Kingdom of Aratta rather than Atlantis.

Baku seems to be related to Shirvan which is 40km from the Van highland temple in Iran near the Kopet Daugh.

Another Atlantis so to speak in a different time and Epoch.

The high point of the Arattian Kingdom was 38,000BC - 29,000BC from there it declined spreading there culture and influence across the world as seen in the path of the 3 rings throughout history and in differing world cultures.

The Van Kingdom (same place) was before 38,000BC - 200,000 thereabouts.

The Tree of Life is still reflected in the Rug designs of Shirvan. Reflections of a true and literal history of the tree of life in that area for a time.


Sevens
 

 


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I believe this a has metaphor for today in the end times journey to the beginning from where the end shall come.

 

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SAHIH BUKHARI, BOOK 87: Interpretation of Dreams


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Volume 9, Book 87, Number 171:

Narrated Samura bin Jundub:

'This place is the Eden Paradise, and that is your place.' I raised up my sight, and behold, there I saw a palace like a white cloud! My two companions said to me, 'That (palace) is your place.' I said to them, 'May Allah bless you both! Let me enter it.' They replied, '

As for now, you will not enter it, but you shall enter it (one day) I said to them, 'I have seen many wonders tonight. What does all that mean which I have seen?'

and this from the

Jesus and the Garden prophecy
1Book of Adam and Eve
around 300BC

Full version of the Jesus and the Garden prophecy

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10:7-9 When Adam and Eve heard these words from God, they cried a bitter cry; and Adam entreated God to let him return into the garden, and look at it a second time. 8 But God said to Adam, "I have made you a promise; when that promise is fulfilled, I will bring you back into the garden, you and your righteous descendants." 9 And God ceased to commune with Adam.

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14:2 But God the Lord said to Adam, "Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it -- in the kingdom of heaven."

Commonality and reflection from 2 books to current journey of all the ancient locations of past Epoch which includes submerged 1stEden saying the same thing.

Jesus does come to slay the Dajjal! and the message comes from the past, the revealing of the hidden truth. Revealed today in these current times!

Surely it must be obvious from where the end shall come.

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I feel there will be change very soon, I think it is imminent. I feel a planetary evacuation of the faithful and the elect will be taken to a safe place before the judgment of the last rebel occurs.

The hidden has been revealed, the only witness that can prove my case is the planetary evacuation when all goodness is taken off the planet.

After which there will be mass confusion and dire time to come. The only place of refuge is the evacuation in the beforehand and the entry is faith key and love towards one another.

The prophecies that I have been following are revelation and the timeline of Daniel and all its knowledge and including the Koran and other books, I feel we are very close.

The only record left behind is the journey to the ancient places including all its discoveries and realisations. It will be the only thread left behind of real truth that proved itself by the witness of evacuation.

It will be the only path left behind pointing the way. Only then will people look into the journey of the ancient places and the truth behind it all. Then the realisation occurs.

Sevens8


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods  Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:00 pm

I reckon this Sevenfold School of the Prophets is a fabulous idea.

Im having great fun even if people dont check it out, Im still having fun.

Here is my first lesson.

http://dalamatiacity.com/prophets/index.php?board=3.0

I think the prospect of this is great.

Sevens


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