Which Im more interested in rather than Hell.

But I thought this UB fragment from the above was relevant
 

The dense material always eventually goes to the middle of the earth. So would a separated soul venture the same path of heavier material? detained before personality extinction made by the Ancients of Days at the adjudication?

One thing we will know all the truth about this subject in the future.

Well one thing for sure, that study on Hell made me think many things about myself to be honest and Im going to refrain as best as possible to NOT judge my fellow man and to be more loving and my best to live Jesus' life in spirit towards my fellow man.

There is no way I want separation from the Father and Jesus. No way man! Even if there is even an incling of truth in that in that Im going to be more aware. Those sounds shocked the living daylights out of me.

What a horrible place, if that is the case and the bible says so that its the case quite clearly. Revelation has the description.

It makes one think!

Well regarding the journey to the ancient places all I can say is that I was all truthful and sincere using best the I had around to find the truth of the matter in the books and I never was in a mind to manipulate or to create something with premeditation It just happened as things occur to me as I reached the hidden tracks left by land marks in the description of things regarding all things of the ancient cities.

All things material Ive invested in this, Im broke but yet inspired by the Father of Heaven in how the journey has led me to great places and throughout the world. Im very happy to be part of the resurrection of the Melchizedek truth that helps man avoid those dire consequences of what we just saw.

I wouldn't want that on any man and Jesus is the way, praise the Lord almighty, well I hope I can overcome my weakness as best I can and do a good job ultimately without any failure if I can. But I know when you are inspired by the Father and your thoughts are concentrating on the threads of truth in vigor its a beautiful experience where there is no separation form within.

Action of the oneness of the Holy Spirit and the Father fragment from within.

Praise the Lord for that construct of the man that enables him to find the victory within himself over the self. Through unselfish acts!

That's another area I suffer from. That's probably why I do this as the balance to that selfishness and by me sharing my work on the run I eventually become unselfish through the action of the Father. It can be a hard road though!

We can only do our best and be conscious of all things.

Here is a Urantia book fragment about Hell according to the Hindu tradition

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webgli ... query=hell

 

Sevens

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http://www.dalamatiacity.com

That sounded very interesting and I liked what I read, it seemed to confirm things and I liked your commentary.

My prayer is that we of different cultures and with varying thoughts can be brothers in finding or realizing truth in commonality together.

thank you, I enjoy your posts and that we share our journey to the One God of Paradise is a blessing.

Sevens8

Hi

I was really impressed with this fragment you posted

 

For me in my personal journey this verse had great meaning. The journey to the ancient places does incorporate 1stEden, its were the journey began from me and the journey has been on going experience of discovery on all levels. Being an on going testimony you never know what you uncover the next day, everyday has been different and has been quite exciting. For me it has truly evolved into a very exciting experience and I believe it involves the highest level of universal government of Paradise.

I am absolutely sure that this journey in uncovering the hidden track is very significant but it has to be tested and confirmed and the way is to go out to Dalamatia City in the Persian Gulf where all religions and countries of the area are involved to prove the matter of the journey or the Targum, the interpretation on the fly.

That would be the way to confirm it. It would be good if all truth seekers of each culture was there to witness of what maybe a great discovery in the physical led by books and self realisation for mankind pointing Paradise ward. Its also an opportunity to bring all man together in the oneness of the revelation that related to origins which a complete record in truth and discovery.

There is no way anyone could manufacture this considering the City in the Persian Gulf is submerged is at about 80 meters well according to NASA.

If we could go out there and prove the city with all to witness it could provide the platform in the demonstration for Paradise to respond ...quite possible! and it proves the record as foreseen in the books.

I believe this could be the enlightenment and upstep that all religions have been looking for and provides the foundation of evidence that each religion contains within their book of reference of which can be harmonized together, forming a oneness in truth and therefore providing safe passage through the abyss of judgment.

Yet the embedded truth of the journey from a prospective unique to the culture is in their book and yet in all this time there was a new book instrumental in the base information of the discoveries and that by the verification of the cities brought about a unity between the religions i the demonstration but never took anything away from anyone.

Well, that's the hope I have in finding commonality together, harmonizing our common journey on the path to the one God of Paradise! and I feel, for our time it will emanate from the ancient cities of our origins submerged and that the discovery will highlight the whole complete truth of our history and provide expanded truth in the discovery which will assist man to walk closer with the realm of Paradise in his personal walk of his life.

All the best

Sevens8

posted 06-09-2008 08:19 PM

I suppose the same thing happened with Dalamatia City as it was destroyed due to sudden submergence. The evidence of this is large reserves of Gas below the city and in the surrounding areas.

I wonder if these places that are supposedly submerged have large gas deposits underneath?? Gas is evidence of over heated oil is due to immense pressure of rapid submergence.

Sevens

Hi

As you know I am on the journey to the ancient places attempting to find parallels and connections to the ancient places mentioned in the Urantia Book.  In the journey I flit all over the place as I come across connections.  Just recently in the journey I came across a site called the screams of hell which was a audio file recorded by some Siberians drilling outfit who drilled a whole 14 kilometers deep and hit upon a cavity.  They dropped a microphone down the hole and heard these screams of a thousands of people.

The audio tape disturbed but prompted me to consider the thought of hell.

Below are some posts about what I found and some thoughts.
 

and here is another post from the Urantia prospective

 

and here is another post

 

In the final analysis  Im not sure whether this is a hoax or not and it seems to me that the Ancients of Days can only execute personality extinction when they are all together like in a dispensational change. 

It appears to me that after death depending on your status


That there are those that go straight to the mansions worlds
There are those that sleep until judgement occurs
And I wonder if there are those that have no sleep and unrest through there separation.

Also there seems to be a 4 minute period after death where your mental processes are still working.  It could be that in this 4 minute period most human beings, (depending on their death) go through a self realisation of themselves and what they face due to their witness in their life.  It seems to be a common experience amongst those who went through the near death experience and they all have the same story.  The thing in common is that they called out to the Jesus in their time of trial and Jesus never failed them.

Well Im not taking any chances here and I dont want any one to go through such a horrible reality.

It maybe that a place of unrest might actually exist where there is no sleep, as we know Evil cannot go to heaven and so it must be kept somewhere before it can be fully extinguished by all the 3 Ancients of Days present.

So Im thinking perhaps one aspect of the personality after death is kept in a place detention for those who are evil in the sight of God.  Hell seems like place realisation of all sorts of things of unrest, it seems obvious that the spiritual unrest follows you and gives you no sleep.

Look all Im saying is take no chances on this one.  Its all to do with Jesus our Saviour and if anyone dies and comes into this Near Death Experience or death experience and has problems Just call out for Jesus that's all and with sincerity which Im sure anyone would be sincere at a time like that.

that 4 minute period could be very significant to where you go, so call out the name of Jesus if you have problems or remember this post and call out to Jesus if your in a mire of problems with the inevitability.

I dont want anyone to fall short of heaven.  Im not sure if the Siberian screams of Hell is true or not. However, Im  assuming there is some truth in a place of detention of Evil before the ancient Days come for judgement.

Whilst there are those that sleep in peace there must be those that have no spiritual sleep! and where are they kept before judgement??

I wouldnt mind some thoughts from the Urantia Brothers on this.  I think it would be good to look into the matter of Hell.

Does the Urantia Book says there is no Hell?  I cant find that reference.  It would be a good study for the benefit of man to actualy determine the truth of Hell and if there exists a place of detention on Earth where the survivors have no rest whilst on the other hand there are sleeping survivors that have the peaceful rest.

Sincerely
Sevens

posted 06-10-2008 07:15 PM

Hi here is some study to see if Hell is Real.

But because I cant post this up because of this silly thing you have to go to this link to check out the study

 

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http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,10071.msg85875.html#msg85875

Sevens

posted 06-10-2008 09:49 PM

I dont know, it sounds very dire to me.

Fair dinkum I wouldn't want to risk anything...Just say if your all wrong and its a reality! As we hear!

Far out that would be the most terrible thing for anyone to go through. Plus all the books speak of a place like this, surely they could not be all wrong on this subject!

The Urantia Book from what I can see doesn't deny it or says it exists. Maybe its something we have to assume as we look through all the keywords and see what it uncovers.

Maybe its left up in the air for us to consider.

It also appears that during death there is an decision time for those who have made no decision for survival for whatever reason, a last minute decision time between you and the Father. This may explain the near death experience of all those people in the original post who came back speaking of there experience with Jesus and the Testamony of their experience. This experience I assume is occurring during the 4 minute period where the mental process are still operating and yet the body is clinically dead.

Sevens

posted 06-10-2008 10:24 PM

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All that "reality" is on any form is code in execution...

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or a state of deletion.

The mind is connected to the soul, that's how personality develops, all the decisions and experience in this life shapes the personality which has an eternal endowment that has survivability.

After the death in a normal circumstance it appears that the mind process are still operating to a degree where this NDE event occurs. So technically the mind is still alive and connected to the soul but in midway point. Perhaps the thought adjuster at that time makes contact with the personality as in the light and speaks to the Soul/personality (eternal aspect) in a way that is understood with a decision to make. The last minute opportunity for personality survival.

Evil cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven and evil personalities cannot be extinguished until the 3 Ancient of Days arrive for judgment so it must be stored somewhere as evil is energy and it must go somewhere. It must go somewhere to be stored and its heavy and dense. Being heavy and dense it must go toward the center of the earth as the more material one becomes, the heavier he becomes in the personality. Heavy elements eventually are drawn to the center of the earth like perhaps the heavy material traits of man created upon his poor decisions in life which led to an evil will.

Speculation but still looking into it but it seems to make some sense to me.

sevens

posted 06-10-2008 11:58 PM

Here is a previous post from a few days ago


I just saw this video.

I thought it was absolutely truthful and it completely confirm my personal journey and reminds me when the conversation of this thread was about the Destroyer/the Angona System/PlanetX

The video is a direct confirmation of what is to come of this planet and I believe we are in the process right now and its related to the Seventh mystery and the revealing of the treasury as in the all the ancient cities.

The video posted by Speaking Rock http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358 really touched my heart and brought tears of listening to our short term destiny and in light of the conversation. It will come like a thief in the night and cause real desolation and before that there will be a short and narrow path that leads to evacuation. In relation to the journey in the video was the part even the son of a thief will be your scribe, something like that! I can relate to that. The narrow path that leads to Noah's ark in our day of safety will be laid out by a scribe who be the son of a thief which is no different from the father/son relationship of Siddhartha Gautama in his relationship with his Father who was a petty chieftain who suffered the people according to the UB. I see many parallels!

Everything in the video was true and it was good and I would take heed to it and prepare and send out the message, one way of confirmation is going out to Dalamatia City and verify the discovered city in the images led through all the books of religion and namely the Urantia Book. Everything encompassed in the video is also contained in the journey specifically on the path to the ancient places which includes 1stEden and Dalamatia City.

We can do this while we can to confirm the Ark of the testament. Verifying Dalamatia City would confirm everything and lead to a path of Safety in truth before the dreaded reality of the Destroyer.

I also think the Kolbrin bible is relevant to the journey to the ancient places. I see much truth in the scribe who wrote chapter 3.

That was very good.

The seventh Mystery is Noah's ark of the Latter day!


Another part of the video I resonated to is that in those days the great book before them great book of wisdom, revealed. Could be all the books in oneness but pointing to one book of truth that forms unity with all the books in revealing and demonstration.

In those days man will have the great book before them wisdom will be unveiled and revealed

A few would be gathered for the stand in the final hour!

The dauntless ones survive!

God of all ages, light throughout who sets the trail of man.

Even the Son of a thief has become your scribe.

Kolbrin Bible extracts from the video from Speaking Rock.

All reflective of the journey to the ancient places of all ages in truth in the journey of the mystery.

a fragment from the Kolbrin bible



and

http://yowbooks.com/download/manning/k2master/kolbrin-bible-ebook-demo.pdf

Very relevant for today.

 

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Revelation, 1:19-20

Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

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"The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand,"

Kind of infers a mouse in the right hand and a monitor seeing the Seventh, mystery unveiled and revealed.

and

 

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Manuscripts 3:9

…the hour of the DESTROYER is at hand.

Manuscripts 3:10

In those days, men will have the Great Book before them [upon its return], wisdom will be revealed, the few will be gathered for the stand, it is the hour of trial. The dauntless ones (the stouthearted) will survive ...

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Thats true a few will stand at the last, I know that for sure.

Sevens

Here are some videos of Near Death Experience surely these people cannot be wrong.

and

An Atheist Has A Near-Death Experience

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 04:40 AM

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All my material including photos of the actual locations is published on the many pages of my website. You on the other hand only have a few blurry graphics which even then do not show the things Plato described in the manner he described them.

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How true is that, You show proper images, Georgeous does not, all the images are just crap if there is a worthy image but there never is, more of the same ahahahaha

I agree with you totally!

He cant even answer simple questions, that break his way off theory, there is no proof that I can see in any blurry image he puts forward.

sevens

posted 06-11-2008 04:57 AM

True, you probably quite right but it has to be proven. What we are saying is speculation so therefore I will take no chances in believing there is a place of detention who dont enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Bible talks about Hell, Judaism and Zoroastrians speak about it including the Hindu scripts.

Yes, probably a man made fear manifesting but it has to be proven that a hell does not exist.

If that could proven I would consider it but for the moment I thinking that a place like that exist. Because where does the evil go? I know goodness is stored for universal use, so evil being the opposite must be stored somewhere which eventually gets wiped out by the 3 Ancients of Days when the come here for the judgment of mankind.

Hell, bugger that for a reality! For people who think its in the mind and show no evidence without proof, just a simple opinion could be awfully wrong and mislead by more of the same crap! with no substance.

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 04:03 PM

No problem, Im only speculating myself as to the existence of Hell and what might be the reality.

Although here was another fragment that caught my eye

 

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Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction.

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Man's friends of the flesh cannot survive death; virtue alone walks by man's side as he journeys ever onward toward the gladsome and sunlit fields of Paradise."

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Every reflection is a thought of photonic energy and is recorded and stored in the process for personality survival, Evil and good thoughts are energy that is recorded. They have substance and evil cannot come in the Heaven so those evil actions of the record must be recorded and stored somewhere, not to mention perhaps those who create those evil thoughts and motivations....only to be wiped out in judgment but before then where is the personality kept if its not in Heaven.

The Ancients Days cannot extinguish personality as all three of them have to be together for judgment that wont happen until they arrive to this pitiful, crappy and sinful dark planet.

So where does the crap and the crappy people go?

So if mortal mind becomes more material then he remains with the material and never enjoys the spiritual and therefore suffers personality extinction! and where is the location?

Where does that happen?

I wish there was few UB people to go through this to find the truth of the matter about Hell.

just a thought. ahahahahahahah

Eh! forget the opinions, just show me some evidence of some research or some worthy. Opinions mean absolutely nothing without reference and demonstration.

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 04:22 PM

Yes no worries but that's an opinion but I have to see the research or some reference of research to support what you say.

Nothing against what you say as its an open question.

You say its in the mind which is true and perhaps hell is created by man but I have to see demonstration of that, like in research. somehow ahahaha.  Also man at death does go through a mindal/spiritual experience where he faces some reality personal to his spirit/soul and related to direction.

Oh man I think this subject is a hard one to tell you the truth but there are a few things I believe and that is:

 

• Personality extinction exist
   

• Personality Survival is based on faith and virtue which is encompassed by truth, beauty and goodness.
   

• Evil and other related propensities of man does not enter the kingdom of Heaven.
   

• Separation of man from God does exist before and after death if man chooses.
   

• If Evil cannot enter heaven than it must be in storage for eventual judgment.
   

• If the evil person is not in heaven then he must be somewhere else, awaiting judgement.

I can show references to this not to mention all the references in all the books of religion in all cultures.

Surely all of them cant be totally wrong...surely wireless.

Honestly, I wish this Hell business was not the case! I wish it was just a creation of man but I have to see a demonstration of that.

Also I cant believe that an really evil man has rest of his material life. Rest usually comes with a man who walks with truth, beauty and goodness. I cant see how a man who rejects this has peace and rest including slumber before judgment of the ancients of Days.

For example: What about people who are afflicted by an evil entity or entities in a house like in a haunting. It clearly shows that these entities are not in slumber nor at peace and are locked into some spiritual vortex maybe because they clung on to their material possession or material world and couldn't let go and wanted to remain behind, so being material in spirit they remained behind in there material world locked within the confines of a room or house.

What about some of these pissed of entities that move things around in the house and become mischievous and frustrated because they are so restricted and confined, they are all awaiting the judgment of the Ancients of Days and are stuck in there own hell or restriction because they could not let go of the material for some reason.

Come to think of it, I think Brig has one of these entities in his own house who is entertaining him and his wife from what I can tell from his haunting thread. Probably a guy who lived there and couldn't let go and his world and is therefore restricted to Brigs house until judgment comes where this planet is cleaned up from all the evil crap and people who just crap on all day long for there lust of BS.

Angels dont operate in the way of moving things and stupid antics they only perform the duties and work where the action is and are of a high standard representing and perpetuating the ultimate truth.

Oh wireless when I mentioned demonstration essentially Im saying prove it. That's all!

Its a wide subject and I am deducing quite a bit myself with speculation!

Oh well ahahahahah Im just trying to find the actual truth of the matter! That's all mate!

No worries mate! In the meanwhile we'll just kick some more goals!!!!

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 05:19 PM

I dont think this planet is a living Hell because we have freewill and we can do much to make our lives good.

But its the controllers that make this life a living Hell like the Banks and there monetary monopoly including life time debt, its there world we live in, its not your world, they own this world given to them by ex rebel prince. They dont give a shit for no one except for themselves and bottom line.

Thank God for Jesus and his escape plan, that's all I can say and judgement will be exactly like the Jesus' anger in the temple when he kicked out the The Temple Central Bank controlling the Shekel
Truly a cruel and callous world who reduced a whole nation into spiritual slavery and bondage!

Exactly what we have today in this manufactured full of lies and deceit living hell.

Truly a cruel and callous world.

They own everything and control everything, essentially we are nothings led day by day by purpose built distraction that lead us from the truth of the matter!

Honestly, no one owns a thing on this planet and if they do it ends up in rubbish tip eventually or somebody gets a temporal ownership and you cant take nothing with you except your virtue and truth.

We are only custodians of temporal things and its how we use these temporal things and for what purpose is looked upon and recorded and the attitude of custodianship will be judged!

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 05:31 PM

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Have you ever wondered why Brig just doesn't hire an exorcist? Wouldn't that solve the problem?

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ahahahah what a laugh! maybe he is having too much fun.

At the end of the day you just gotta have a laugh! that was a good one.

I told him to call the Ghostbusters

(555) 666 7777

ahahaha
Sevens
 

posted 06-11-2008 05:46 PM

This whole Spain/Atlantis theory just runs on thin ice with no actual evidence and is definitely breakable!!

Pure speculation based on what? Very limited research which is not even representative of the Atlantis Gods in truth and with many unanswered normal questions.

Breakable!

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 06:35 PM

Oh just prove your theory through some research or data. but I know that is a hard call as no one has really looked into this.

Mind you Im using many references out of books and trying to find the connections throughout books verses to find out what the Hell is Hell.

Yes I believe this world is a definite reality, no doubt but I think we all move into a another reality on a another dimension of existence and yet that reality is linked to our witness in spirit of our lives we live in this reality and marks our direction for the future.

I just want to say that people say many things without the evidence just mere opinions that defines nothing in the proof. Just if there are all wring because of there bias and lack of research going into anything and everything with an open mind. It just becomes BLAH BLAH BLAH without any foundation at all and nothing that can be proven in any manner. Just crap at the end of the day!

Also why should I believe anyone who cant show me the research nor any evidence, it got to be more than mere opinions of no basis.

Like I dont expect people to believe my research but I go to great lengths to bring forth evidence from any place to support the argument, like links, references and opinions in bring the evidence together. That's what I mean!

Essentially, all Ive seen on this thread by others is just opinions with nothing of links or references, nothing that any one can show me to support their thoughts or even to convince me otherwise.

Man might be an expert at his crap but he knows very little about religion and its construct in these times, actually man knows bugger all when it comes to these subjects why I see it everyday with you being the exception because you look into things and willing to share and you think, the rest forget they dont know to much, let alone of the Atlantis Gods and their intentions for our times.

The Atlantis Gods are alive today and they are going kick everyone's ass into activation through truth unto judgment and yet man is fast asleep in his mire of crap, fear and BS! Man has heaps and heaps of BS within himself, the expert of B.S. in your face everyday. The B.S. maker.

Man, the King of BS that is his true level in truth on this planet! The planet of Crap. Here comes King Crap!

Hail King Crap ahahahahahahahaha

having a laugh, Man is such a Bullshit artist so he can become King Crap of all! Man the great Liar, King Crap.

King of the crap heap! Man, his great estate that he strives for Crap and lies.

ahahahahah

Sevens
 

posted 06-11-2008 07:15 PM

Yes and personal reality of the soul and spirit is definitely a reality which is connected to Universal reality of eternal truth in the eternal reality far removed from this reality that man seems to venture upon in his untruth.

Look at the witness and the results of our planet.

Its appalling! Our reality of what we created on this planet is crap, its all Bullshit, its not even truthful.

sevens

posted 06-11-2008 07:58 PM                      

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BTW, it is also much, much EASIER to talk about "survival" from a digital point of view, since it becomes pretty much an issue of saving data (code)...

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Yes I can see what you mean and understand where your coming from now. I suppose that a way to explain it.

All the same characteristics of good code as opposed to junk code which is eventually modified or just simply deleted like crappy people.

Not a problem

 

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I think that you mean COMMON REALITY but the fact is that not all of us exist under that "reality" (best example is that untouched tribe in the Amazon). I, for example, disconnected from it a few years ago...

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I agree and understand. Hey what about that tribe in the Amazon, incredible that these people had no contact with man the exploiter. so I wonder without all the Western man crap what they believe, I wonder of they have an idea of Heaven and Hell or even what there views are.

They had the right idea shooting arrows at western thinking man, who wants western man around to destroy their culture as he has with every culture on the planet that was indigenous, filling indigenous people with his crap and his crappy money hungry culture.

There better off on there own with no contact with man the destroyer, where man suffers these people with his wonders and culture destroying attitude, in the hope of the exploitation of there lands and other rubbish motives not to mention all that Nodite emperor styled worshipping crap we see in every society.

In days of old a leader of a tribe would of been invited to the Dalamatia City to learn some things and the leader or teacher of the tribe would go back to his people to teach. The difference with things today we go there and destroy the people and obliterate everything and religion is most responsible for that in there quest for world religious domination.

We certainly know a few examples of that from our destruction past which still continues today.

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 08:26 PM

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Its appalling!

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You know the state of the planet peoples desperate attitude because of enticement of long term debt through materialism, ego, power and lust knowing its entrapment set by the banks and the controllers. Playing on the weakness of man.

You know all the crap. Its just doesn't seem to end. At the end of the day its all last rebel crap and his manifesto which man gets suck into, in the most subtle ways filled with sophistries and deception where at the end of the day man strives for unreality in relation to the greater universe and is completely inconsistent to the the truth.

sevens

posted 06-11-2008 08:58 PM

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But "common reality" does indeed end since ALL PRIOR CIVILIZATIONS FAILED (and there is plenty of evidence of that fact, so it is not an opinion either!), THEREFORE, SO WILL THIS PRESENT CIVILIZATION...ALSO FAIL...

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That's true but then civilisation when overpowered by the stronger actually only transmuted society where even the stronger was influenced by the weaker in culture and in religion.

There is many cases of that.

Anyway it good to speak with you wireless and reading your views, even if we have different ideas least we can speak and analyze with the view of finding the truth of the matter.

You got alot more going than all the others around here who can only produce the one liners and nothing else and who put nothing on the table that provokes thought.

sevens
 

posted 06-11-2008 09:07 PM

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So, of course, new societies then re-emerge as these small groups that survived grow in numbers and as the natural reality conditions become more "normal"...like after the periodic age/era catastrophes...
 

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That makes sense to me.

But I feel there is a greater reality in the spiritual of the individual and which can involve a society to in real truth.

Every culture has been affected by another all throughout history.

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 09:12 PM

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Well that's simply because I am like a guide or a pilot in stormy weather, during significant time/space transitions...

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No worries about that, I agree.

I think we are doing the same thing but from different prospectives.

Which I am learning to and open to good knowledge and connections with parallels.

Simply bringing out the truth of the matter, that's all! and to see if we can demonstrate it in our reality following our personal truth.

All very honest and sincere.

all the best

Sevens

posted 06-11-2008 09:21 PM

Hey wireless

Cool man

I just praise the great code maker of all binary with all its complex over layering.

It just stupendous how the great code has brought us into being and with self consciousness including free will of choice.

Unbelievable the great code of the great Writer and developer.

Glory to the Code maker of the universe!  I think it just beautiful!

Code is just like art and truth within in itself!

I wish I could write code a bit better though.

ahahahahaha

sevens

posted 06-11-2008 10:58 PM

Here is some realistic normal information about Gades from the Wikipedia.

 

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Cádiz is a city and port in southwestern Spain. It is the capital of the province of the same name, a province which is one of eight comprising the autonomous community of Andalusia.

Cádiz, the oldest continuously-inhabited city in western Europe, has been a principal home port of the Spanish Navy since the accession of the Spanish Bourbons in the 18th century. It is also the site of the University of Cádiz.

Its peculiar location at the end of a narrow isthmus protruding into the Bay of Cádiz lends added charm to this ancient city. In actuality, Cádiz is on an island which is separated from the mainland by a larger island, the Isla de Léon; thus, to reach the mainland from Cádiz, it is necessary to cross a narrow channel to the low-lying Isla de Léon, before crossing another narrow channel to the mainland. This geographical circumstance has played, time and again, a significant part in the city's history, commerce, and culture. Isolated behind its high thick medieval walls on its improbable site in the middle of the bay, Cádiz, on approach from the sea, presents a dramatic and aesthetically appealing view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz

Native name Cádiz (Spanish)
Spanish name Cádiz
Nickname Tacita de Plata
Founded 1104 BCE
(Far to early for Atlantis)

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and here is a little history of Gades

 

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The city was originally founded as Gadir (Phoenician גדר "walled city") by the Phoenicians, who used it in their trade with Tartessos, a city-state believed by archæologists to be somewhere near the mouth of the Guadalquivir River, about thirty kilometres northwest of Cádiz. (Its exact location has never been firmly established.)


Phoenician sarcophagus found in Cadiz, now in the Archaeological Museum of Cádiz. The sarcophagus is thought to have been designed and paid for by a Phoenician merchant and made in GreeceCádiz is the most ancient city still standing in western Europe[1]. Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BCE[2] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the ninth century. One resolution for this discrepancy has been to assume that Gadir was merely a small seasonal trading post in its earliest days.
 

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And to even think that Tartessos, is Atlantis is just another bunch of garbage to.

the whole thing of Gades and Tartessos, is just another bunch baloney where these city are relatively young. and have nothing to do wit Atlantis Nothing to do with the lands of the Gods.

Nothing in the legend or in history that points to Atlantis being the first place of the Gods and of man according the myth.

Its just a theory that makes no sense at all

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although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the ninth century.

How can anyone say this is Atlantis, people must be stupid and brainless to believe this when considering the above.

So I suppose Wikipedia is wrong to EH!

I mean you have cities like Jiroft near the heads of the Persian Gulf that go back 11,000 years with writing script and beautifully designed cups and next to Jiroft you have another city that was destroyed 150,000 years ago and you can see the remnants already with NASA worldwind which fit the description perfectly.

You read, you see. The simple presentation of the Universal Government for the simple normal man on the street!.

sevens

posted 06-11-2008 11:10 PM

Honestly the evidence is before you and because of your pride or bias you are completely in a world of your own without any relation to reality with nothing that is convincing.

The blind lead the blind to a completely breakable theory! or dream

dream on!

See what show me! What more Crap mankind has to digest! Dont you think mankind has enough of the Bullshit! Like we see with all inconclusive documentaries of TV, just filling in more broadcasting space with repetitive Garbage not to mention all the self vain glorious music in the background and the constant repeating with little substance that would learn at school.

Cadiz and Tartessos are just another Phoenician outpost of trade and commerce. You know exploit and get rich quick.

Just another man made business operation and who associated themselves with the Gods as most civilizations did in those days, myth transference in that my God is better than your God business like we see today.

That's all it is! just a business outpost.

Even this image is more ridiculous, the more I look at it, like trying to fit a circle in a square and it could be anything.




sevens

posted 06-11-2008 11:48 PM

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the important thing is that the place was already inhabited for thousands of years before the Phoenicians, and they in reality established a colony in the same place where indigenous peoples, from Tartessian origin, lived.

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Yes but where is the evidence of man before any archaeological evidence can be found. Where is it?

Like ditches, manmade remnants displaying an advanced city, Cadiz only goes back to 9OOBC according to hard evidence unless they where walking around like a caveman in underpants but even then you would find evidence of prehistoric underpants going back further. Like in Jiroft as an example 11,000 years.

 

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Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BCE[2] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the ninth century.

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Georgeous would have to have confirmed evidence by scientist to demonstrate that Gades go back further than 900BC

I dont believe he can demonstrate that, in the hard evidence.

Antiquity! what going back 900BC or around that time. Bit early! for the first place of civilisation where the Gods lived.

That time is not even ancient.

Sevens
 

posted 06-12-2008 12:02 AM

Dream on, its all flawed and breakable based on a traveling Myth and culture, there is no evidence that points to the first place of the Gods in Gades.

You cant even answer simple questions based on scientific research already established. The more you ignore and run from answering simple questions the worst it gets because you have no answer and therefore your theory is becoming chaff to the wind and everything has to be tested if its the truth. That's what its all about isn't it??? The truth and no Bull.

That's what Atlantis is about, the truth! The truth of the Gods and there truth.

sevens

posted 06-12-2008 12:36 AM

That's a spin out

Maybe the entrapped soul needs attention maybe you should talk to it in a normal way and help it with words of comfort.

It could be frustrated and quite lonely.

Might need some tender loving care for being entrapped in the spiritual dimension maybe you should show it the way to Jesus maybe! to follow the light if possible. But it may remain there until the Ancient of Days come for judgment which maybe soon.

Otherwise the entity is not getting enough of these posts and is trying to tell you something.

Just a guess ahahahah

Anyway, it sounds wild what's happening in your place and tends toward a poltergeist experience. Its seems that all these things happen in an innocent way but as time progresses it gets worse. Like with the Ouija boards experiences people have.

Maybe Tom is right that you should have entity exercised from your house and told to move on.

I dont know, it seems to be getting a little serious in that home sweet home of yours. Maybe the entity could not let go of things material and that's why its hanging around bothering you.

Tell it leave the house and go to Jesus the light for rest.

Maybe, it was offensive to place that pitcher there? for some reason.

Sevens

posted 06-12-2008 12:47 AM

Maybe you should consider getting some so called expert on that level in to determine what it is and how it can be helped to move on and to let go of the material things it once had and still cherishes.

Failing that, go to an experienced pastor with depth of truth and knowledge leaving all the rhetoric behind and see if he can help.

If it continues it may get worse. I think smashing things is quite unacceptable and maybe you should ask for the help of an arch angel in prayer to help find a solution to this mischievous entity.

Is it trying to tell you something brother.

You know maybe it needs a little compassion and understanding and maybe you should find out more of the history of the house and find out who died there in the past that might determine the entity and try and find out the personality of the person if possible from the entities family that might be still alive.

Finding out all the background information of the entity might give you a good base to help the entity move on in the spiritual world.

The entity sounds like its trapped in attitude and cant move from his former house. Entrapped for his love of the material such like his former house he loves and couldn't let go.

Perhaps through the action and leading of the Holy Spirit with a number of angels maybe you may be able to counsel the entity and set if free by moving to the light of Jesus which in truth would set the entity free on his universal adventure.

Maybe the entity needs to build faith and courage to move on into the great unknown of the spiritual universe.

Anyway, go by your gut feelings that is the truth.

One thing for sure, the entity is not in restful slumber and is probably not at peace because of his current circumstance. The personality just died there and never moved on but is conscious of his circumstance and is wanting to find the way out to the light and just gets pissed off sometimes, he probably needs positive help.

Its a real in between worlds kind of thing and the entity needs guidance.

Sevens

posted 06-12-2008 01:26 AM

It is isn't it, where the Gods lost there first estate and degraded man along the way and where the Gods after which ruled like a pack of arseholes and ruined the planet which still perpetuates today, that's what essentially Plato referees to. Has all the hallmark of the fall of the Sons of God in the first planetary default in the first city which was built by the Gods. Even though the story is representative of the fall of Dalamatia City which by proxy was represented in Dilmun where the first Egyptians came from 12,000 years ago

Dilmun submerged of the North Eastern Persian Gulf.

By the way the very early Greeks where the Javan who migrated to Crete 12,000 years ago and who originally came North Eastern Iran and who are the Sons of the eldest son son of Adam.

The Greeks are the Sons of the Gods and there association with the Gods in metaphor and refection is all there in the mythology.

Also Dilmun submerged of the coast of Iran as you can see, fits all the physical descriptions of Atlantis and you can see it NOW!

right!! Mr Georgeos ahahahaha

The GF gene came from Atlantis! Dilmun/Babel that's where the 1st and 2nd Babel was built. The early Egyptians called Dilmun, Dilmat, which is where the word Maat came from. Dilmun! the legends of Dilmun seen in Sumerian text was taken from Dalamatia City originally but perpetuated through Dilmun and then transferred to the Egyptians.

That's the story and I can demonstrate that now using all the books and I can demonstrate that in the images and by going out there to verify.

And I know its unbreakable! already in this early time. and I know the Nodite system of today fears this as this to close to the truth but I dont give a damn because truth is truth! and we are answerable to truth and man hates BS unless there is something in it for him. Eh! that's the story isn't it.

We live today in the tower of Babel BS rubbish where man is totally led astray from the truth of everything!

Like in the days of Atlantis! The truth of everything is already in peoples face and they run to the hills like the spiritual cowards they are. The Atlantis propensity running away from the truth, the Nodite propensity that rules this planet today! thanks to fallen estate of the Gods and their sinful attitude. Like Atlantis in the past, this Atlantis today is in for a great reckoning!

There is much more to Atlantis than you could possibly imagine and the Father of all things will demonstrate what Atlantis truly was in the past and what it is today and what will happen to the Atlantis off today!

The Atlantis of the past and its story is exactly what will happen to the Atlantis of today. So for those who are blood thirsty for money and power and who exploit over the demise of man for financial gain.

Just forget it for the times of reckoning are virtually upon us and you will miss the ark completely and utterly and that is the prophecy of Atlantis of today and seen in the demonstration of the past and this forecast will be upheld by the Father of all things and of all truth!

Reckoning! until its dust and chaff in the wind.

This is how the reckoning of Atlantis will take place, it will just pop up out of nowhere when man feels confident and full of the crap in how he devastated his brother for financial gain by proxy of the money/power mechanism we have today and being haughty and bloodthirsty in his so called unspiritual victory over his fellow man. What hypocrisy! what untruth is that!

Like a coward eh! hiding behind a mechanism that robs and destroys his brother. The great mankind eh! What an arsehole he is today! The sub prime debacle is the perfect example and those who exploit the circumstance for pure gain with nothing survivable in there heart.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

sevens

posted 06-12-2008 03:16 AM

Looking in to Hell.

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The Destroyer – Revelation 9:11
The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them . The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon [destroyer], and in Greek, Apollyon [destroyer] (Revelation 9:1-11).

http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/the_destroyer.htm
 

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The abyss or is this Hell coming from the abyss or from the earth opened in the end times? Like nut on the fire.

and this

 

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Since you trust in your deeds and riches, you too will be taken captive, and Chemosh will go into exile, together with his priests and officials. The destroyer will come against every town, and not a town will escape. The valley will be ruined and the plateau destroyed, because the LORD has spoken. Put salt on Moab, for she will be laid waste; her towns will become desolate, with no one to live in them. "A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! (Jeremiah 48:7-10)

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All of the above applies for these times in this day.

and this which I believe relates to the safe passage through the abyss and completely related to Jesus

 

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Let the Moabite fugitives stay with you; be their shelter from the destroyer." The oppressor will come to an end, and destruction will cease; the aggressor will vanish from the land.

In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it-- one from the house of David-- one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness (Isaiah 16:4-5).

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I above paragraph relates to the last messenger of whom brings the great message of safety through his Targum and related to Jesus.

There is more at this link just remember that Babylon is the current planetary money monopoly system and other related systems and mechanisms of control and power.

http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/the_destroyer.htm

and this

 

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"The sound of a cry comes from Babylon, the sound of great destruction from the land of the Babylonians. The LORD will destroy Babylon; he will silence her noisy din. Waves of enemies will rage like great waters; the roar of their voices will resound. A destroyer will come against Babylon; her warriors will be captured, and their bows will be broken.

For the LORD is a God of retribution; he will repay in full. I will make her officials and wise men drunk, her governors, officers and warriors as well; they will sleep forever and not awake," declares the King, whose name is the LORD Almighty. This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Babylon's thick wall will be leveled and her high gates set on fire; the peoples exhaust themselves for nothing, the nations' labor is only fuel for the flames" (Jeremiah 51:54-58).

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Babylon is the system due for a great reckoning because the Father is just not happy with anything on this planet except for the work of the elect and Jesus including related personalities of the Universal Government of Paradise.

But as far as mankind is concerned forget it, he is to far gone to recognize any truth and spurns it.

sevens

 Re: The destruction still to come Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:28 am

Here is a word search unicorn in the bible

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=unicorn&ver=kjv

seems interesting

sevens

posted 06-12-2008 06:06 AM

I noticed this

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daughter of Tarshish—Tyre and its inhabitants (Isa 1:8), about henceforth, owing to the ruin of Tyre, to become inhabitants of its colony, Tartessus: they would pour forth from Tyre, as waters flow on when the barriers are removed [Lowth]. Rather, Tarshish, or Tartessus and its inhabitants, as the phrase usually means: they had been kept in hard bondage, working in silver and lead mines near Tarshish, by the parent city (Eze 26:17): but now "the bond of restraint" (for so "strength," Margin, "girdle," that is, bond, Ps 2:3, ought to be translated) is removed, since Tyre is no more.

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Is this the same Tartessos that Docybut is all excited about, even the bible proves that its not Atlantis and nothing to do with the Atlantis gods just another mining/trading city of Phoenicia.

What so Atlantis about that, there is no mystery there.

Here is a word search on Tarshish or Tartessus or Tartessos no Atlantis there and is associated with the Javan (Greece) and Chittim (Cyprus) all trading cities of the Med.

What are you on about Docybut considering all the worthless argument when its clearly in the bible as a normal trading city that had a heap of prophecy against it.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Tarshish&ver=kjv

A worthless Atlantis argument wasting everyone's time. What a crappy book that will be, not one ounce of truth that relates to Atlantis.

Sevens
 

posted 06-12-2008 05:05 PM

I know bro, tell me about it, its pretty full on and is very consistent with the Kolbrin bible regarding the destroyer.

Im not sure if you saw this video but I think its totally relevant to the destroyer and the time that we are in.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

Every time I see this video I well up man, very full on and such a terrible to happen to mankind but unfortunately no one is listening and spurns this.

The Rev 9:11 is just full on and is speaking of the same thing.

No worries but if we see this we will be OK because there is evac plan for the faith sons.

Mind you the system have their plan but that is completely exclusive and doesn't include the majority, The majority will be on their own.

The only chance I have is through my faith, Im to poor (spiritually rich but bloody poor) to prepare for the Destroyer so my faith is completely in the Jesus evac plan.

That's the only plan that I can have faith in.  That's the only plan that I can have faith in. The Government? forget it they will only look after themselves. I would put no faith in the government upon the realisation of the Destroyer.

Im doing the work that the Christian body should be doing but their slack and unbelieving, believe it or not, I even wrote to the head of the Catholic church in Sinim even though they responded, they have not quickened yet and it will be to late when they realize that this research is true. I believe they have over sighted this and have underestimated this. The rest of the body forget, I wrote to them to and never received a response.

Mind you when the destroyer is realized there will be so much regret from those who spurned and ignored in the first instance, in the beforehand!

The only thing I can do is post up my thoughts and findings, the rest is up to each individual in their hearts of hearts.

It just a hopeless situation where I am totally reliant on Paradise for support! as I get no support from mankind.  So all I can do is post the truth as I find and that's all I can do.  Each day is 12 -18 hrs a day working this construct as I come across truth.  It valiant attempt against all odds to get the truth out there and that's where I rely on the angels, my Father fragment from within and through the action of the Holy spirit and I know Jesus and the Father of all things (The Code Maker) is involved personally.

I believe the Father has written a new code and construct and is getting rid of the virus infest code we currently have. The existing code is due for deletion he is not going to fix this code for he has a new code that he is going to upload to this Urantia planetary server and from this server will go out a new code that will affect all the other junk code affecting other planets who had the same demise as us with this junk code that was embedded into our Genes through the fallen Sons of God after the destruction of Dalamatia City.

It is true that there will be a few in the last stand, the undaunted and stouthearted will NOT go down to destruction and that's we are at this time in the Last and Final stand of mankind of the faith sons and the path is narrow and only a few will find the path of safety in the final and last stand.

This is truly the battle of the Faith Sons against all odds. The battle of faith sons through the tribulation.

And where is mankind? in this last stand, no where to be seen all run to the hills, only the few will be successful in the last stand of the faith Sons. We are the faith sons and who will come back with the new code for the regeneration of the Planet with the Paradise Universal Government as the head of this planet.

Like in the movies brother Wireless but this is real and virtual and we are in the Last stand in front of the great battle of mankind.

It is truly the Battles of all Battles, the great Mother of all Battles where the faith Sons will be successful in the last stand!  We will be utterly successful!

Sevens

posted 06-13-2008 07:37 AM

I dont know Im still looking into it.

This might seems strange that nothing is ever lost. All thoughts must have physical energy perhaps called photons, or thought photons perhaps like light photons in a frequency that you cant see.

Since energy transmutes from on state to another and is never really lost in truth perhaps the bad thought photons are keep somewhere until dissolution of the energy at judgment of the Ancient Days.

Its just a thought amongst many on this subject.

However, all the books speak of it quite clearly at differing times, maybe it was just a perception that evolved in our evolution of religion?

Quite possible but then I would underestimate either. Maybe those audio was a fake. I just dont know.

Its really hard to say. Well I know is that Jesus is the way in my view, going by the NDE people and consider some of them did have a negative experiences where a decision was to be made and in some cases the person felt separated and was still conscious.

Mind or another dimension which is more real than this, like an eternal dimension for a short period of time. Maybe in the 4 minute period when the brain is still active in some parts.

Where man is faced with his real truth of himself!

Sevens

3. In the Talmud and Targums:
Among Jewish writers the word "Paraclete" came to have a number of meanings. A good deed was called a paraclete or advocate, and a transgression was an accuser. Repentance and good works were called paracletes: "The works of benevolence and mercy done by the people of Israel in this world become agents of peace and intercessors (paracletes) between them and their Father in heaven." The sin offering is a paraclete; the paraclete created by each good deed is called an angel (Jewish Encyclopedia, IX, 514-15, article "Paraclete").

http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/P/PARACLETE/

posted 06-14-2008 03:42 PM

I think there is a high probability of being visited by a highly charged dark space body with its own system of planets. I think it is due to visit us very soon according to prophecy. The Angona system (UB) or Planet X or the destroyer/Wormwood.

There will be one last message in the beforehand with a warning and with an evac plan for all people based on faith in the beforehand, if one does not listen then he will be beyond the point of no return PNR and simply be left behind.

Judgement will be set forth unto the truth. As we move closer to truth we move closer to judgment and judgement has been set.

As we move further in truth we move closer to judgment and survival is all based on faith even halfhearted faith is fine.

When man realizes that the record was the truth and everything comes to pass and still doesn't listen, man will go through the greatest regret upon realisation in that he spurned the last message in the beforehand and missed the ark connected to the ark of the testament.

The Angona System is a space body that does have an orbit around the Sun and it will pop up out of no where.

The world system will be broken and those who are haughty in making the most for the least with greed have to measure themselves in this time now but that wont happen. We all know that.

Get ready mankind because the sign that I have is a sign that no other person has got and never had and the signs are the discovery of the multiple submerged cities from the past with prophecy clearly attached to it contained in all the books.

I dont now the time or hour but we must be so close now. However in the between time I would like to launch an expedition to the Persian Gulf to verify the truth of the real planetary business.

Man should invest in this not just as a money making thing but to verify the truth as this may affect our survival.

Its a survival requirement and all man thinks off is "what's in it for me" Im afraid that will not cut it for this journey. Its all about survival!

Planetary Government and religion (all religion) should go out there at their own expense and verify the truth for mans sake and for the sake of their silly system which are due for destruction. Man should not await an investment possibility Just do it! You got the bloody money!

The US navy should be looking into it since the have all the equipment and are virtually on top of the cities but that depends on the leader of the country and how much truth he has..

Its a life and death prophecy linked to the cities of the past that should be of National security seriously! But Im afraid it doesn't rate and yet this has the highest potential of change with awful consequences. Im sure the government and religion are all fast asleep. Ive written to all the main players.

If the US navy checked and it was verified they should tell the people of the verification and then religion can apply the message and warning.

But is that not going to happen? because of no faith and shallow teachings with pride and prejudice. We are in big trouble MAN and who can do anything about it in the beforehand. Gee whiz!

Typical of man and unbelief. Get of your back side man and go out there since you have all the resources to do this and its all to do with your children and for the future which appears to be a secondary thought by the witness as wealth pride and station seems to be the first priority.

Man you are going to need luck but then does not exist either only God.

Sevens

posted 06-14-2008 04:18 PM

Man Ive been writing about for ages why all these questions when its most obvious what and why Im saying all this.

He has to verify the truth of these cities as it, I believe represents a Omen of change and man has to be prepared in the best way in his heart and faith condition and its in the books.

Im not going answer the rest of the questions as Im just repeating myself and going over and over the same thing and if you cant quicken to what I saying then these posts are a waste of time for you. Its not a time to get caught up in technicality and due process anymore its just a flat out warning with a bit of a plan to help man and it might bring a little adventure to mans small crappy about me mediocre life. This is designed to make man a little smarter and more aware in truth unto judgment.

Anyway, its up to man I just saying what Im saying if man chooses to ignore and the rest of it that's OK, its up to him to make his own choices based on the research and what he reads. At the end of the day it comes down to the individual and the decision he makes for himself and his family for the future.

It eventually comes down to: Your either in or your out in your decision and there is no in between or compromises. None at all!

Its a flat out Black and White decision.

Anyway wireless, your the smartest guy here, everyone else is in a dreamland and cant prove a single thing for all their crap.

Sevens

posted 06-14-2008 04:56 PM

I just dont want go in a infinite circle

True nothing is a waste of time, I stand to be corrected.

Your'e right man has to fall before he can become great in the true spiritual sense. Same goes for civilisation.

We must be so dumb that man has to go through this repetitive process however it appears that over time through repetition his civilisation does advance but does it advance in spirit. I think so but man needs correction along the way, its just like a Father/Son relationship I suppose in essence over the timeline.

The rise and fall of man and civilisation. How about in the future we have man and his Rise Rise Rise for man.

Man today is not getting the spiritual guidance he needs to be utterly successful within himself. That's why we need the code maker with a new code to upload for the future. So we don't go through this crappy rise and fall of nations guided by shithouse leadership! not to mention all the millions that die in horror along the way, just a sign of crappy leadership and poor religious teachings and very bad interpretations that lead man astray in thoughts of self grandeur, the big man crap of crap.

Sevens

posted 06-14-2008 04:56 PM
Its like this man runs this glassware shop, all nice and beautiful but rotten to the core in management, you know the owners getting ripped, inventory stolen, customers and the owners being ripped off except for dishonest friends, that kind of thing. The owner gets sick of it where God enters the shop unexpectedly and just smash everything and throws out the current management. Like a drunkard, God just destroys all the glassware, smashes it to bits, cleans up the mess and get his own better glassware in the shop with all new management that he can trust!

That's what's its going to be like for this planet!

What God is doing in this time is finding and putting together the furture management team for his shop or planet.

sevens

posted 06-14-2008 10:30 PM

I agree with all the above, no worries

true

About Hell, Im still working out whether it exists or not. It could be the effect of religious evolution from the Good/Evil concept which is an evolutionary effect of religion.

sevens

posted 06-15-2008 02:54 AM

Hi

I appreciate and agree that Atlantis come from Dilmun But I disagree its in Indonesia.

 

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So now it should be established beyond doubt, that there was a global flood at the end of last ice-age. The ice-age came to an end with the explosion of Krakatoa and other volcanoes around the world. These explosions triggered huge tidal waves called Tsunamis, which raised see levels all over the world and submerged many parts of the world under water including Atlantis. In the following chapters we will see that the land of Atlantis was called Dilmun in Sumerian records and in Indian histories the name of Atlantis is the land of Kuru. Also the name of Atlantis in Book of Genesis is Enoch. It was a city founded by Cain when he went towards east. The Cain of Bible is the same as Kuru of Indian mythology. Also Coronus of Greek mythology may be referring to Bible’s Cain as well. We will see that the founder of Atlantis was Cain; the religion of Atlantians was Polytheism which was opposite and also parallel to monotheism which was the original religion in the world, practiced by Adam, Eve and their children except Cain.

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I believe Dilmun is where circular Babel was created twice and lays submerged of the North Eastern Persian Gulf. It is also marked and has a connection today by the triangle/circle arrangement that is clearly seen on the plug of the shaft in the Queens tomb in the Great pyramid and is the basic design of Dilmun the city with Babel in the middle in the triangle/circle design. The early Egyptians came from Dilmun and surrounding areas and marked there origins through the triangle/circle symbol. The great Pyramid is purely as monument of the past and the future.

Babel in Dilmun

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel3_thumb.jpg

http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/images/babel_foundations17_jpg.jpg

Babel
http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/

Dilmun
http://dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/index.html

This symbol can be seen in the Plug of the shaft.

The Symbol of Dilmun.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/double_triangle.jpg

I feel this is the mystery of the great Pyramid that points to the previous ancient city of Dilmun built by the fallen Sons of God who built Dilmun and who then adopted the legends of Dalamatia City submerged in the Southern Persian Gulf and who adopted the legends of this first triangle city with the circular temple in the middle.

Myths and legends traveled across the world and applied over time to local places of the inhabitant of whom adopted the myth as there truth.

Here is the triangle City of Dalamatia City, the first city where all the legends emanated from and that was destroyed 200,000 years ago.
../persian_gulf/index.htm

sevens

posted 06-15-2008 05:30 AM

Brig
Im not sure if you watched this video

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

But if you did, it mentions that man will fall like a broken pitcher when the destroyer arrives in the Kolbrin Bible.

If you had watched this video previously maybe the entity was watching and the breaking of the pitcher in your house is perhaps a sign in the confirmation made by your friend.

Perhaps like a warning to prepare yourself.

It could be that broken pitcher had some symbolism for you and the destroyer.

Anyway just a thought ahahaha.

Also Brig what did the bump sound like and was it from the attic or the basement or in the walls.

Sounds interesting that in the last 3 days there has been full on activity since you raised the subject and there has been discussion about it floating thoughts.

Could it be the entity is reading the posts and responding in his way??? Is the entity trying to tell you something, perhaps you should work out a test.

Let me know what occurs, Im interested in that crazy house of yours ahahahahah.

sevens

posted 06-15-2008 02:48 PM

Now its a code of imagination....what next

How about some hard facts and evidence! and answer some straight questions that you fail to do and avoid.
sevens

posted 06-15-2008 03:05 PM

Absolutely, I totally agree that Atlantis = Dilmun but I feel its more local as per images.

However I know the Andites went throughout the world spreading there culture after losing there home in the Persian Gulf. The Dilmunites/Andites traveled throughout the world which includes Indonesia spreading culture including myth, I feel I have evidence of there travels in there artwork left behind, its all in the eyes.

The Andites influenced many cultures with there myths and legends which contain there stories of there cities and there destruction.

With Enoch...what a fabulous book that is

Here is some parallels I found about the Acropolis Hill at the time when I researching 1stEden of Cyprus, however that was a few years ago and much has been discovered since then.

I thought these parallel verses where interesting, I always felt this was a specific description of the waters running down the Acropolis Hill to the valley and to the great river that emanated out of the Garden Eden peninsula which eventually connected to the Euphrates and then the Persian Gulf.

 

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1Enoch Chapter 26
1 And I went from thence to the middle of the earth, (Eden) and I saw a blessed place in which there were 2 trees with branches abiding and blooming [of a dismembered tree]. And there I saw a holy mountain, 3 and underneath the mountain to the east there was a stream and it flowed towards the south. (Sounds like same description in Ezekiel. The previous chapter sounds like a similar description to that I found in the following Ezekiel extract. Similarities like the springs issuing out from on top of the Holy mountain. Ezekiel further describes a temple and within its threshold probably a courtyard had an altar within and close by the Altar the spring issued out close by the tree of life.


(Ezekiel 47:1-12 KJV)
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: (spring issued from the mountain within the temple) for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, (Temple faced east) and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Here is an extract I found in the Book of Adam and Eve that describes the tree of life near where the springs where Adam and Eve eat of the tree of life and bathed in its waters. A real paradise. The linkages in all three scriptures is the stream that flowed from under the Holy Mountain.


The 1Book of Adam and Eve
extract  9 O Eve! Remember that while we were in the garden, we knew neither night nor day. Think of the Tree of Life, from below which flowed the water, (the spring) (the tree of life the ub) and that shed lustre over us! Remember, O Eve, the garden land, (1st Eden) and the brightness thereof! 10 Think, oh think of that garden in which was no darkness, while we lived in it.

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http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/enoch_ezekiel.htm

Abbas what an interesting commonality to the ancient places specifically all the ancient places in the revealing of what has been hidden and just to know that in the linage is another abbes in the line, in this discovery and also another Abbas in 1914 who foresaw the Urantia Book in the Chicago before it came to pass in 1934.

However, Abbes is not my surname its my mothers maiden name. Its like the whole thing has been planned right from the beginning with connections and parallels in linage! I just think its great that we agree on a commonality where Dilmun = Atlantis. At this junction we could go alot further and bring in harmony all the places of all the ages and epochs with its truth. Abbas/Abbes = Father/Mother = Sabbath (anagram) = Seven.

And just to think this operation is part of the Sevenfold Mission related to the Sevenfold doctrine mentioned in Enoch which points directly to the Urantia Book a manifestation of the Sevenfold Seraphic Mission and has direct connection to the Ancients of Days, the Universal Fathers all embracing the operations of the Most High!

Its just all fascinating, the journey of truth and in the demonstration that you realize on the run in the Targum that emantes out of the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean sea all foreseen by John Gill 16th century preacher!

Everything was foreseen in part and brought together in the journey to the ancient places, the realms of Paradise! This is the real journey of Atlantis encompassing everything that emanates truth and in the demonstration.

I hope you dont mind Zia but I praise the Lord God in this time of realisation and oneness.

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1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;

1 Enoch l04:ll And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.

1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,

1 Enoch 92:17  The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.

1Enoch 1:8 Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendor of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
 

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Sevenfold Scheme word search

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sevens

posted 06-16-2008 02:12 AM

Hi

I must say its unique going from what I read and piece together. Thank God for technology and books.

I was good to meet you Im glad we have a commonalty in that Atlantis = Dilmun.

With Cain I tend to think he lived in the area of Elam and built cities there. From what I understand he and the Nodites had peace with the Adamites in the Second Garden of Eden between the two rivers in the North near the triangle of the rivers in the North. Im going back around 38,000 years.

There is one Nodite city found near the Persian Gulf which is called Jiroft. On the location there is a huge Pyramid made from Brick situated within a caldera of an extinct volcano. The artifacts found there are typical of the Andite (Adamite\Nodite) culture.

All the best
Sevens
 

posted 06-14-2008 10:30 PM

I agree with all the above, no worries

true

About Hell, Im still working out whether it exists or not. It could be the effect of religious evolution from the Good/Evil concept which is an evolutionary effect of religion.

here is an interesting fragment

PAPER 95 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE LEVANT, Oct 19 2000

 

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Zoroastrianism is the only Urantian creed that perpetuates the Dalamatian and Edenic teachings about the Seven Master Spirits . While failing to evolve the Trinity concept, it did in a certain way approach that of God the Sevenfold. Original Zoroastrianism was not a pure dualism; though the early teachings did picture evil as a time co-ordinate of goodness, it was definitely eternity-submerged in the ultimate reality of the good. Only in later times did the belief gain credence that good and evil contended on equal terms.

The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia, were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the "day of judgment ," but he connected this event with the end of the world.

Even the religion which succeeded Zoroastrianism in Persia was markedly influenced by it. When the Iranian priests sought to overthrow the teachings of Zoroaster, they resurrected the ancient worship of Mithra. And Mithraism spread throughout the Levant and Mediterranean regions, being for some time a contemporary of both Judaism and Christianity. The teachings of Zoroaster thus came successively to impress three great religions: Judaism and Christianity and, through them, Mohammedanism.
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Says quite a bit.

And this following importamnt fragment

 

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7. THE SALEM TEACHINGS IN ARABIA
The Melchizedek teachings of the one God became established in the Arabian desert at a comparatively recent date. As in Greece, so in Arabia the Salem missionaries failed because of their misunderstanding of Machiventa's instructions regarding overorganization. But they were not thus hindered by their interpretation of his admonition against all efforts to extend the gospel through military force or civil compulsion.

Not even in China or Rome did the Melchizedek teachings fail more completely than in this desert region so very near Salem itself . Long after the majority of the peoples of the Orient and Occident had become respectively Buddhist and Christian, the desert of Arabia continued as it had for thousands of years. Each tribe worshiped its olden fetish, and many individual families had their own household gods. Long the struggle continued between Babylonian Ishtar, Hebrew Yahweh, Iranian Ahura, and Christian Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Never was one concept able fully to displace the others.


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Here and there throughout Arabia were families and clans that held on to the hazy idea of the one God. Such groups treasured the traditions of Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, and Zoroaster. There were numerous centers that might have responded to the Jesusonian gospel, but the Christian missionaries of the desert lands were an austere and unyielding group in contrast with the compromisers and innovators who functioned as missionaries in the Mediterranean countries. Had the followers of Jesus taken more seriously his injunction to "go into all the world and preach the gospel," and had they been more gracious in that preaching, less stringent in collateral social requirements of their own devising, then many lands would gladly have received the simple gospel of the carpenter's son, Arabia among them.

Despite the fact that the great Levantine monotheisms failed to take root in Arabia, this desert land was capable of producing a faith which, though less demanding in its social requirements, was nonetheless monotheistic.

There was only one factor of a tribal, racial, or national nature about the primitive and unorganized beliefs of the desert, and that was the peculiar and general respect which almost all Arabian tribes were willing to pay to a certain black stone fetish in a certain temple at Mecca. This point of common contact and reverence subsequently led to the establishment of the Islamic religion . What Yahweh, the volcano spirit, was to the Jewish Semites, the Kaaba stone became to their Arabic cousins.

The strength of Islam has been its clear-cut and well-defined presentation of Allah as the one and only Deity; its weakness, the association of military force with its promulgation, together with its degradation of woman. But it has steadfastly held to its presentation of the One Universal Deity of all, "who knows the invisible and the visible. He is the merciful and the compassionate." "Truly God is plenteous in goodness to all men." "And when I am sick, it is he who heals me." "For whenever as many as three speak together, God is present as a fourth," for is he not "the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden"?

Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]
 

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This is was an interesting clue regarding the hidden relating the first and the last eh! The ancient cities eh!

sevens

posted 06-16-2008 06:25 AM

The Day of Judgement interested me, Does the day of judgement exist or is it religious evolution.

Here is Jesus words according to the Urantia Book, we know in the bible it exists.

 

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Then, speaking to all the disciples, he said: "You have heard how many cities and villages have received the good news of the kingdom, and how my ministers and teachers have been received by both the Jew and the gentile. And blessed indeed are these communities which have elected to believe the gospel of the kingdom. But woe upon the light-rejecting inhabitants of Chorazin, Bethsaida-Julias, and Capernaum, the cities which did not well receive these messengers. I declare that, if the mighty works done in these places had been done in Tyre and Sidon, the people of these so-called heathen cities would have long since repented in sackcloth and ashes. It shall indeed be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment ."

The next day being the Sabbath, Jesus went apart with the seventy and said to them: "I did indeed rejoice with you when you came back bearing the good tidings of the reception of the gospel of the kingdom by so many people scattered throughout Galilee, Samaria, and Judea. But why were you so surprisingly elated? Did you not expect that your message would manifest power in its delivery? Did you go forth with so little faith in this gospel that you come back


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in surprise at its effectiveness? And now, while I would not quench your spirit of rejoicing, I would sternly warn you against the subtleties of pride, spiritual pride. If you could understand the downfall of Lucifer, the iniquitous one, you would solemnly shun all forms of spiritual pride.

"You have entered upon this great work of teaching mortal man that he is a son of God. I have shown you the way; go forth to do your duty and be not weary in well doing. To you and to all who shall follow in your steps down through the ages, let me say: I always stand near, and my invitation-call is, and ever shall be, Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am true and loyal, and you shall find spiritual rest for your souls."

And they found the Master's words to be true when they put his promises to the test. And since that day countless thousands also have tested and proved the surety of these same promises.
 

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According to Jesus it exists, the day of judgment. It interesting "down through the ages" seems to have a duality in the timeline it does mean the future from there but down through the ages can mean back in time through the past which can have metaphor to the ancient cities.

Note: when the Urantia speaks "down through the Ages" it looks back into the past events, not the future, Like Jesus when he states "down through the ages" he must be looking back down through the ages of time as clue pointing to the Ancient cities of the earlier epochs of ancient times. So right here we could be seeing a direct confirmation and endorsement from Jesus of this journey to the ancient places down through the ages. It could very well be the straight and narrow path through the day of judgment. Quite possible!


and this one, it must exist.

 

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Then, as the people went down by the river to witness the baptizing, the first man came privately to Jesus about his inheritance inasmuch as he thought Jesus had dealt harshly with him; and when the Master had again heard him, he replied: "My son, why do you miss the opportunity to feed upon the bread of life on a day like this in order to indulge your covetous disposition? Do you not know that the Jewish laws of inheritance will be justly administered if you will go with your complaint to the court of the synagogue? Can you not see that my work has to do with making sure that you know about your heavenly inheritance? Have you not read the Scripture: `There is he who waxes rich by his wariness and much pinching, and this is the portion of his reward: Whereas he says, I have found rest and now shall be able to eat continually of my goods, yet he knows not what time shall bring upon him, and also that he must leave all these things to others when he dies.' Have you not read the commandment: `You shall not covet.' And again, `They have eaten and filled themselves and waxed fat, and then did they turn to other gods.' Have you read in the Psalms that `the Lord abhors the covetous,' and that `the little a righteous man has is better than the riches of many wicked.' `If riches increase, set not your heart upon them.' Have you read where Jeremiah said, `Let not the rich man glory in his riches'; and Ezekiel spoke truth when he said, `With their mouths they make a show of love, but their hearts are set upon their own selfish gain'."

Jesus sent the young man away, saying to him, "My son, what shall it profit you if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?"

To another standing near by who asked Jesus how the wealthy would stand in the day of judgment, he replied: "I have come to judge neither the rich nor the poor, but the lives men live will sit in judgment on all. Whatever else may concern the wealthy in the judgment, at least three questions must be answered by all who acquire great wealth, and these questions are:

"1. How much wealth did you accumulate?

"2. How did you get this wealth?

"3. How did you use your wealth?"

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have talked with him about wealth on earth and treasure in heaven, but he was asleep.

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Well exists in Jesus' words and I wouldn't under estimate any of this.

Here is another clue to the three concentric circles , the insignia of the Melchizedek, the symbol that underpins this journey to the ancient places. In each locations there are three circles, Dalamatia City, 1stEden and Vans Headquarters. All cities connect with the three circles. Fantastic!

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The Salem teachers greatly reduced the number of the gods of Mesopotamia, at one time bringing the chief deities down to seven: Bel, Shamash, Nabu, Anu, Ea, Marduk, and Sin. At the height of the new teaching they exalted three of these gods to supremacy over all others, the Babylonian triad: Bel, Ea, and Anu, the gods of earth, sea, and sky. Still other triads grew up in different localities, all reminiscent of the trinity teachings of the Andites and the Sumerians and based on the belief of the Salemites in Melchizedek's insignia of the three circles .

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You see it absolutely fantastic Melchizedek came to invigorate what was already here. But because the truth was becoming dim in the minds of men, the truth he made sure that the three circle symbol would perpetuate through the Salem missionaries. So when it came time to reconnect all the previous three circle cities in a journey, discovery and presentation at the end which would be revealed that which was hidden and it would fit and be verified in every aspect of the journey and in the discovery.

Sevens

posted 06-16-2008 08:17 PM

Im testing out the Urantia Book and looking for relevant fragments in all books of religion, every culture to see if I can find clues on the focalization of the ancient cities that the UB expresses.

that's all

and following inner guidance on hunches and expressing them on the go creating a document that I believe will be demonstrated through the verification of the triangle city submerged in the Persian Gulf, the first city.

From there I follow the hidden tracks and paths and connect them all up that to me resembles a consistency of oneness.

Sevens

posted 06-18-2008 04:56 AM

Back to Hell

Here is a fragment that uses the word Invented Hells.

 

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2. THE CONCEPT OF SIN
The fear of chance and the dread of bad luck literally drove man into the invention of primitive religion as supposed insurance against these calamities. From magic and ghosts, religion evolved through spirits and fetishes to taboos. Every primitive tribe had its tree of forbidden fruit, literally the apple but figuratively consisting of a thousand branches hanging heavy with all sorts of taboos. And the forbidden tree always said, "Thou shalt not."

As the savage mind evolved to that point where it envisaged both good and bad spirits, and when the taboo received the solemn sanction of evolving religion, the stage was all set for the appearance of the new conception of sin. The idea of sin was universally established in the world before revealed religion ever made its entry. It was only by the concept of sin that natural death became logical to the primitive mind. Sin was the transgression of taboo, and death was the penalty of sin.

Sin was ritual, not rational; an act, not a thought. And this entire concept of sin was fostered by the lingering traditions of Dilmun and the days of a little paradise on earth.

The tradition of Adam and the Garden of Eden also lent substance to the dream of a onetime "golden age" of the dawn of the races. And all this confirmed the ideas later expressed in the belief that man had his origin in a special creation, that he started his career in perfection, and that transgression of the taboos--sin--brought him down to his later sorry plight.

The habitual violation of a taboo became a vice; primitive law made vice a crime; religion made it a sin. Among the early tribes the violation of a taboo was a combined crime and sin. Community calamity was always regarded as punishment for tribal sin. To those who believed that prosperity and righteousness went together, the apparent prosperity of the wicked occasioned so much worry that it was necessary to invent hells for the punishment of taboo violators; the numbers of these places of future punishment have varied from one to five.

The idea of confession and forgiveness early appeared in primitive religion. Men would ask forgiveness at a public meeting for sins they intended to commit the following week. Confession was merely a rite of remission, also a public notification of defilement, a ritual of crying "unclean, unclean!" Then followed all the ritualistic schemes of purification. All ancient peoples practiced these meaningless ceremonies. Many apparently hygienic customs of the early tribes were largely ceremonial.

 

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The Urantia Book seems to infer that Hell is an invention because of the above reasons.

Well its up to people to make up there own mind on the subject of Hell and how it was created.

Maybe hell is an invention!

Also the world record for drilling is being attempted at 35 000 feet = 10.668 kilometer.

http://www.nola.com/business/t-p/index.ssf?/base/money-3/1213334617150850.xml&coll=1

In the Youtube video it states that the drill was 14.4 kilometers. That has never occurred

So based on that alone, the sounds of hell from 14.4 kilometers below the ground would have to be a fraud!

I believe that is false, the screams of hell video.

Im am inclined to believe the Urantia Book information and I found the references to the ancient cities was interesting particularly the mention of Dilmun and sin and its origins in truth.

Here is another fragment in the same above link and makes reference to the Seven commands, one of the objective of going to Dalamatia City, to locate the stone slabs with the Seven commands inscribed.

Dilmun is the Atlantis of Egyptians and whom adopted the myth of Dalamatia City.

"a little paradise on earth" is Dalamatia City


sevens

posted 06-18-2008 10:53 PM

But dont you think Hell is part of the evolution of religion that was adopted by later religions from the earlier, like we have with Christianity, they adopted Hell from the Hebrews and they got it from the the Eastern religions.

You have to prove that Hell exists.

Also I proved the Siberian Screams from Hell video false.

How do you know that Hell was taken from a previous religion in the case of Christianity.

Religious evolution concerning that aspect?? Logically speaking it would seem inefficient in the worlds of eternity to have a hell filled with negativity.

I believe in Personality extinction but it doesn't happen in this world.

And just to think the concept of Sin and inturn Hell came from the "lingering traditions of Dilmun" The city built by the fallen Sons of God who perhaps used these principles for control like we see today.

 

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Sin was ritual, not rational; an act, not a thought. And this entire concept of sin was fostered by the lingering traditions of Dilmun and the days of a little paradise on earth.

and consider this

The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia , were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the "day of judgment," but he connected this event with the end of the world.

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Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 05:09 PM

No worries Wireless

Seems to match the non Hell scenario.

Well now I am on the this platform Hell does not exist as that is a product of this thread highlighting the evolution of religion in the belief of Hell. Hell came about to stop the successful bad guys (in their eyes) daring to go against the taboos made by men. Confession is a public outcry of ones sin unclean, unclean with subsequent cleansing and is not necessary. A short sincere personal prayer in a realisation of a mistake with attitude correction is fine and efficient.

Obviously Hell was created and used as a tool of fear and like the 25th of December and is just another product of earlier religious celebrations that derived from other earlier evolutionary religions of which the newer adopt today.

I know this sounds terrible but many notions in the bible are mans evolutionary work built upon the foundations of the earlier religions of man. In real truth many ideas does not exist like Hell and 25th December being a Pagan worship day. Everyone knows this.

The End Times will be shocking for those who are religious and unchanging because this realisation actually would be seen as unacceptable which is Ok but I can demonstrate it. Remembering this is a correction that is happening and many will not like it in the end times and many things that we read is quite either right and where the crooked paths has to be set straight.

Many ideas of religion like Sin are based on the lingering traditions of the rebels. Thinking about it the rebels twisted truth for control and hell was a tool used in these traditions. Many of these traditions and taboos evolved down the timeline only to be broken and realized in the end times. Actually the relationship with God is much simpler than that and is personal and nothing to with ceremonies and outward projections.

Its just a personal inner spiritual journey and relationship which is normal like with any other person. Jesus was all about breaking these lingering traditions based on fear he wasn't interested in more bound ceremonies but in only truth.

Sevens
 

posted 06-19-2008 05:44 PM

AAAAAhh come on Brig!! come on mate!

There many notions that we simply got from earlier religions and we adopted their thoughts in the evolution.

Like wrong code for example. Maybe we have been deceived with this very notion.

What about 25th December Eh! what's the story there?? Its not even Jesus' birthdate.

I tell you man Sin does exist and personality extinction does to. But Hell bound to eternal fire from Sin and in the way we are taught is inconsistent. Hell doesn't exist! Its just manmade tradition!

Also what about that Video, its only today that we can drill 10 kilometers. and no other drilling outfit has found such a thing.

The screams of hell and those who produced it are perhaps working for the last rebel using fear bound ideas based on these lingering traditions of Dilmun or Atlantis right! They use deception and fear right! ahahahahahahahahahahah.

Interesting that it links with the ancient places from Dilmun. Dilmat or the Maat and its association with Atlantis, the real truth and how they ruled. Bit of an eye opener.

To know that they created these Hell places further down the timeline to be used a fear weapon against man and which we see today in all religion, no religion escaped in adopting this perception as a tool of rule.

The truth of the matter is that today when we die we into a heavy slumber, (best sleep you ever had) and spiritually transported to be re personalized with our thought adjuster in the mansion world, its all in the spiritual world.

When a personality arrives at the mansion worlds of eternity and if the adjuster is not there to be reunited with the personality, the personality does not survive and is extinct.

That's what happens, there is no hell.

Look I know it sounds terrible but in the end times all things inconsistent with truth will be smashed to pieces.

By me asserting this, I loose much credibility everywhere but do I care no! only about the truth!  Im only one voice in the wilderness.

Sevens
 

posted 06-19-2008 06:23 PM

Hey Wireless
 

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Again, hell is a state of mind and as such it exists!

Everthing changes...

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Everything changes because the universe is restless and ever changing. Its evolving into new heights and levels of truth into the evolution of its own creation.

"Again, hell is a state of mind and as such it exists!" I think that man still holds onto a bondage that doesn't exist. If there is a part of code which is corrupt, what do you do? Delete! No different in the extinction of a personality.

No personality is stored in Hell fire literal!

However, one can create their own Hell in this life no doubt ahahaha!

I reckon in the NDE's what happened there was that their mindal processes was still operating whilst clinically dead and perhaps the thought adjuster in an appeal, using all the bits of information with meaning would be used to communicate to the soul of the personality who would recognize and understand.

Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 07:00 PM

Hey no worries wireless I can see what your saying in your expansion. Not a problem I see your logic in what you say.

But this is where we may have differences, with utter respect. I dont believe in re incarnation. I dont believe in the vicious circle or loop. I reckon its just a one stop shop where some programmes are a case of Junk in and junk and is simply discarded. I think there is a finality in personality extinction like have never been. See the programming here is like a programme of choice we select our programme based on our decisions. Some choice poor programmes for whatever reason, there are good programmes and some bad programmes that are Not Quite Right!

There is a master standard in the realm of Paradise, if a personality following the wrong program by choice falls short it doesn't survive.

However, anything positive accumulated in the life of the personality who failed to survive for whatever reason, that was consistent is retained by the Supreme Coder for the benefit of the universe in its future purposes.

Its the journey beyond matter and space time into the realms of infinite! Infinite platforms and many choices!

Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 07:07 PM

Ok

but

 

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5. Essentially, the Soul, which is the esence of the self, is what is actually stored at the core or the main database of information. Meaning that the mind program needs to be re-programmed in accordance to that information...since the brain is no longer running the code due to death!!!

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We continue forth in the universe constantly entering new levels of being new ever changing bodies in our universal adventure.

We dont come back here for reprogramming part of the core, we continue on in the everlasting reaches of the universe.

I thought the rest was interesting and made sense in many ways but we continue forth in ever changing new bodies and platforms into the essence of creation itself in the realms of eternity, the infinite.

Its the journey beyond matter and space time into the realms of infinite! Infinite platforms and many choices!


Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 07:18 PM

Oh Well

about reincarnation and about the personality that's what I believe and all respect for what you believe. No problem!

There is alot of things that Im saying now that are upsetting people, like HELL does not exist and also about reincarnation, that must be 99% against what the planet believes in. But that's the way my research and realizations are going. I think there are many things that man is simply wrong about in his religious evolution.

We incarnate into a new body we dont re incarnate here back on earth in flesh and blood like some religions teach!

Two things Jesus never spoke of was Hell fire, damnation and reincarnation nor sex before marriage!

Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 07:47 PM

Well

Well

I believe many of those ideas of reincarnation devised by the Brahmans thousands of years to combat the Melchizedeks truth of simple faith and salvation. It was a matter of influence and power and perpetuating genes hence the caste system.

I believe all that is just sophistry of the last rebel because all that reincarnation truth was an invention that bore out of necessity to perpetuate mans influence over another and created another so called truth, created not realized in truth and demonstration.

Look at the results of the caste system to the spirit of man in its caste enslavement that prevents him to find a free and better way in personal faith.


As for trances I dont believe that represents truth either. I believe that is the territory of the Last Rebel to transmit all sophistries.

Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 07:51 PM

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> Two things Jesus never spoke of was Hell fire,
> damnation and reincarnation nor sex before
> marriage!

OK! So what!?

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So what!! What!

Obviously he had more interesting things on his mind rather than perpetuating religious evolution.

Everyone makes a big deal about Hell! does Jesus speak of it! specifically like the Catholic Church or other religions?? All the religions speak of it and Jesus is the only person who doesnt! Get that one in logic!

See that's where the deception and wrong dogma can occur through the use of earlier religious evolutionary dogmas adopted by man through the ages. Many things he could of been wrong about in the first instance and evolved method over time and off course the last rebel would of had something to do with this to maintain bondage and fear.

What Ok, is that Ok. What, so what!

However, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the religion of truth, not religious evolution and lingering traditions.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

But it highlights some home truths about religion.


Sevens
 

posted 06-19-2008 08:11 PM

All Im doing is going by journey in the books in the journey to the ancient places and the things that I come across and what I discover in them.

Have a look at this video, in the first section its about religion, it clearly points to the evolution of religion, you can see it actually demonstrated.

However, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the religion of truth, not religious evolution and lingering false traditions from Dilmun/Atlantis. I believe in the truth of Dalamatia City before the fall of the rebel Sons of God and I believe in the Urantia Book and believe all the books have fragments of utter truth amongst many false notions of religious evolution on all sides and beliefs.


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

But it highlights some home truths about the evolution in all our religions.


Sevens

posted 06-19-2008 08:20 PM                      

Well anyway,

Its a conversation that can perpetuate for a while enjoy the video. Mind you its pretty hard on religion but in this journey we know better but the places have to be verified.

We all believe what we believe at the end of the day.


what what eh Eh what ! ahahahahah
sevens

posted 06-20-2008 03:47 PM

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..and what's the religion of truth!? Please note that I personally do NOT believe in any "religion"!!!
 

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Religion of truth, a religion that can be verified on all levels especially on the physical level.

You read and see without compulsion. A religion with intelligence that harmonizes and which has soul.

sevens

posted 06-20-2008 06:54 PM

That's interesting ""scientism""

Haven't heard that one before.

Welcome to my "scientism" religion ahahahaha

just joking.

Anyway dont worry about it, I made a request to the Ancient of Days requesting the Call for Judgment day.

So at the end of the day we will see what the truth is demonstrated!

The proof will be in the pudding!

Sevens

 Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:12 am

If Islam fails the call I will go to the Buddhist, if that fails then it is proven to Paradise that all man and his religion has rejected the catalyst of the end times construct of enlightenment, truth and change in a peaceful operation of discovery adventure and truth. Then man deserves all he gets, every last bit of it for his grave failure in the end times construct, utterly failed in the end times.

Sevens

posted 06-22-2008 03:20 AM

I found this article on the front end of this website I was interested in the 3 coplanar circles of the crop circle. I wonder if there is additional thoughts contained in the symbol.  I know the 3 co planar circles are connected to the journey to the ancient places.  I wonder if there something related to the journey through similar symbolism found in the circle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027178/Easy-pi-Astrophysicist-solves-riddle-crop-circle.html

This symbol may also reflect the mystery of the 7 spheres and the 3 spheres mentioned in the Kolbrin Bible which I interpret as the 7 circles of the Sevenfold and the 3 circle symbol of the Melchizedek although the Melchizedek symbol is 3 concentric circles in this case 3 co planar circles which reflect the submerged cities with the same 3 co planar commonality.

It maybe a connection to the journey linking the oneness of the symbols related to the journey to ancient cities, the symbol does have 7 Spheres and 3 co planar circles. However, the 3 circles are within the Seven spheres in reverse to what is mentioned in the Kolbrin bible extract.

Looking at it again the UFO crop circle is 7 spheres within the 3 co planar spheres which does fulfill the Kolbrin thought of the  7 spheres within the 3 sphere relating to the mystery of the Kolbrin and in my mind fulfilled in the journey to the ancient places.  The crop circle is like a confirmation and landmark along the path of truth leading to the cities of the tree of life.

Anyway its just a thought.

Also note the symbol of the journey to the ancient cities of the past ages which I made sometime ago.



 

Sevens

Hi

I appreciate your response III think about it, there is much to think about.

I was doing some reading about Islam where I came across this clue "for is he not "the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden"? I had the feeling this maybe a indirect clue to the ancient places in the discussion of Islam.

I haven't looked it up yet in the Quran or the relevant Hadith purposely, I was wondering if you know this verse lays and I was curious in what context the verse is delivered.

I personally feel its a strong clue but I dont know I haven't seen the rest of the Verses to see if there is a connection and strong clue pointing to the journey to the ancient places.

I have found many verses relating to the End at the beginning in the Old Testament where I strongly feel it relates to this journey declaring the end at the beginning.

Here is a search I did that I believe relates to these ancient cities being the beginning of our origins where the End shall come.

and here is an old post where I felt related to a great change coming from the Beginning. I felt these verses where interesting.

 

Very interesting word search

Remember the outcome of this journey is related to self realisation, a journey that we can all participate in on the run and is not exclusive. Its a path that leads to Jesus who will come back and be the victor in truth.


Sevens

Quran

link

[56.23] The like of the hidden pearls:

If you wish, you can recite this Verse from the Holy Quran:--"No soul knows what is kept hidden for them, of joy as a reward for what they used to do." (32.17)  (Book #54, Hadith #467)

Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' So when I went (over the seventh heaven), there I saw Abraham. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is your father; pay your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' then I was made to ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said, 'This is the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) . Behold ! there ran four rivers, two were hidden and two were visible, I asked, 'What are these two kinds of rivers, O Gabriel?' He replied,' As for the hidden rivers, they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.'

(7) Abu'l-Bakhtari reported: We saw the new moon of Ramadan as we were at Dhit-i-'Irq. We sent a man to Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with both of them) to ask him (whether the sighting of a small moon had something of the nature of defect in it). Upon this Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with both of them) said that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: Verily Allah deferred its sight, but if (the new moon) is hidden from you, then, complete its number (thirty).  (Book #006, Hadith #2393)

(9) It has been narrated on the authority of Sa'id b. Musayyab who said: My father was one of those who swore fealty to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) near the tree. When we passed that way next year intending to perform the Hajj, the place of the tree was hidden to us. If you could point out clearly, you would (certainly) be knowing better. It has also been narrated on the authority of Sa'id b. Musayyib who learnt from his father that they were with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) in the year of the Tree (i. e. in the year of the fealty of God's pleasure sworn under the tree at Hudaibiya), but next year they forgot the spot of the tree.  (Book #020, Hadith #4588)

(14) Abu Zaid (viz. Amr b. Akhtab) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) led us in the dawn prayer and then mounted the pulpit and addressed us until it was (time for the) noon prayer. He then came down the pulpit and observed prayer and then again mounted the pulpit and again addressed us until it was time for the 'Asr prayer. He then again came down and observed the prayer and again mounted the pulpit and addressed us until the sun was set and he informed (about) everything (pertaining to turmoil) that lay hidden in the past and what lies in (the womb) of) the future and the most learned amongst us is one who remembers them well  (Book #041, Hadith #6913)

Sa'd struck his chest and said: Keep quite. I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah loves the servant who is God-conscious and is free from want and is hidden (from the view of people).  (Book #042, Hadith #7072)

(6) Narrated AbuMalik: The people asked: Tell us a word which we repeat in the morning, evening and when we rise. So he commanded us to say: "O Allah! Creator of Heavens and Earth; Knower of all that is hidden and open; Thou art the Lord of everything; the angels testify that there is no god but Thee, for we seek refuge in Thee from the evil within ourselves, from the evil of the Devil accused and from the evil of his suggestion about partnership with Allah, and that we earn sin for ourselves or drag it to a Muslim." AbuDawud said: And through the same chain of transmitters the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one rises in the morning, one should say: "We have reached the morning, and in the morning the dominion belongs to Allah, the Lord of the universe. O Allah! I ask Thee for the good this day contains, for conquest, victory, light, blessing and guidance during it; and I seek refuge in Thee from the evil it contains and the evil contained in what comes after it." In the evening he should say the equivalent.  (Book #41, Hadith #5065)

(3) On the Day when Allah will gather the Messengers together and say to them: "What was the response you received (from men to your teaching)? They will say: "We have no knowledge, verily, only You are the AllKnower of all that is hidden.

(5) And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.

(9) "O our Lord! Certainly, You know what we conceal and what we reveal. Nothing on the earth or in the heaven is hidden from Allah.

(10) And if you (O Muhammad SAW) speak (the invocation) aloud, then verily, He knows the secret and that which is yet more hidden.

 "Verily, the Hour is coming and My Will is to keep it hidden that every person may be rewarded for that which he strives

(12) Al-La (this word has two interpretations) (A) (As Shaitan (Satan) has barred them from Allahs Way) so that they do not worship (prostrate before) Allah, or (B) So that they may worship (prostrate before) Allah, Who brings to light what is hidden in the heavens and the earth, and knows what you conceal and what you reveal. (Tafsir At-Tabaree, Vol. 19, Page 149)

(13) And there is nothing hidden in the heaven and the earth, but is in a Clear Book

(21) That Day shall you be brought to Judgement, not a secret of you will be hidden.

(22) Except what Allah, may will, He knows what is apparent and what is hidden.  
(  سورة الأعلى  , Al-Ala, Chapter #87, Verse #7)

Anyway I would warn all the brothers that the catalyst is here and great change is upon us. and I would proclaim with boldness in order to help man, to help all man, that would be the purposes of all Gods religions in preparation of the final days before great and massive change that man has no control over. 

Is required that no man go to war as the truth will reveal itself and where man is faced with a simple decision in light of the revealing truth of the ancient cities where there is unfinished business of the one God of Paradise.

sevens8

 Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:34 am

Anyway, in this time Im going to spend sometime with Islam before I get banned as that has happened before.

I wont be posting much here as much as much has been posted with very little response or participation. I respect ArchMichael for his contributions which I thought was fantastic and help me much and I respect Geo and Petra and Sissco truly great people and faith sons and daughters.

If there is something interesting I will post here but by and large Im moving on. However, if any one is interested in the progress here is the link

http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.ph ... #post18402

I still want Christianity to be in touch as this is a project for all man and his religion and also Im in uncharted waters in another faith with many commonalities with Christianity so we will see the witness in the response.

At the end of the day, it maybe that all religions are united in the rejection of the catalyst of the end times and divided they are in general religion. Most unusual outcome and twist of reality.

If its fails with Islam, I will go to the Shin sect of Buddhism in Japan as that particular sect has been highly commendated for its ability to seek truth in all books of religion, very similar to this journey.

I feel that if the Urantia Book highly commondates this religion then it maybe the path for me to pursue, to get out to the cities of truth and verify as that religion of Buddhism may listen because they open to truth as mentioned in the UB.

In the journey I have written to the Bush Government
The Iranian Government concerning the places and change
The Christian churches including the Catholics
Many churches and bible colleges with not one response in reply.
Posted to Islam and got banned but I returned and see what happens.
Many Urantia people are asleep or in there own intellectual loop, in a world of there own and transferred there spiritual pride from there previous religions.

The Last port of call is Buddhism, that's the last place.

Essentially, its been total rejection by all the main religions proving that regardless who comes to announce the arrival of the King of Kings all man and his religion will reject.

This has been demonstrated! and is the witness to the King of Kings, Jesus of Nazareth and including the Ancient of Days.

This is the report of the final days of truth unto judgment.

I feel very disappointed and rather embarrassed for the The Father and the Kingdom of Heaven in the total rejection of the truth concerning the end days catalyst. I would of expected much more out of religion and man in these perilous times.

The report card for Christianity is a flat out F-

all the best
sevens

Im just watching this documentary on how some of the churches operate and control their members through many methods and manipulations using scripture against people in order to control every aspect of their lives.

Man O man what are the leaders and the elders doing using Hell, condemnation and innuendo to maintain total control over the individual using false things like hell and judgment and all that.

I tell you this kind of behaviour upon mankind will not survive the end times Judgment day, this type of stuff that people do to one another using Jesus' words in order to reap a weekly 20%+ tithe using innuendo will be wrecked and its a witness of untruth and deception using false doctrine. This is the deception within the churches and it wont survive and its all in revelation and will be routed out.

You know, people under estimate the cities of truth, the cities of the ages past and the message is coming from the Generations of old and Judgment Day. From I see and sense its getting close as more is revealed to a focalization point. But because these people think they have plenty of time and can maintain the scam, skirting the timeline of Judgment Day thinking it wont happen for 100 years or so, put themselves at real risk where they do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus will not recognize them. No way known according to my witness to the ancient cities.

Now I know why Christianity will involves themselves in the journey to the cities and go out there and verify all the cities. It reveals the deception within their ranks the work of the Last Rebel using fear in religion like invented Hell. Lingering traditions of Dilmun and that little Paradise Dalamatia City after the rebellion.

But the Father has his own agenda and its linked to discovery and realisation in the journey to the Ages of the past and to all the cities.

That's why I gave up on Christianity to be part of this and go out there and verify. Now this journey is open for Islam to consider all the facts and they themselves may go out and verify this path, this branch.

And if Islam goes out there and verify the cities it will put all the leaders and Elders of all the churches on real notice as to there behaviour and attitude towards there fellow man. All manipulations will be all brought out and judgment will come from within Man himself and that will display the real fiber of the leaders of the Christianity Churches and many will run like cowards when they realize what they do people through scripture manipulations and how wrong it is. I believe in Jesus but his message was love for one another not compelling man through fear. Let man give what he wants to give, that's fair. if man wants give great but not compel man to 20%+ income stream capitalizing on weakness and discouraged, it becomes all physiological and not spiritual.

Anyway, if man had the real truth of everything people presented from all levels and open, not secular, people would come swarming to see his presentation and wouldn't require anything like a tithe up from 10% up to now 20% on offering, special offerings and no doubt other levels of offering.

Not all churches are like this but there are many who take advantage of the weak and discomforted in order to create an income stream. All fear doctrine will be obliterated and the children of that false doctrine will go down to destruction.  There is no doubt about that.

That includes the Hell doctrine, that's the first thing that is marked for destruction.

Truth unto Judgment!

Sevens

The Area of Dalamatia City is 112.5 square kilometers.

posted 06-23-2008 06:28 AM

Just came across this which I thought was interesting whilst I was reading about Dalamatia City.

Its interesting that this fragment is associated with a comment about the Judgement of the Ancients of Days.

Could it be that I am right considering that this fragment is attached directly to Dalamatia City??

 

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The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.

Dalamatia City

and

Paper 66 City of the Prince




However, the reason why I was looking through the Dalamatia City paper is that I was trying to find the information of the 100 mile Dalamatia City hinterland that it describes. The City itself is approxiamately 15km x 15km x 15km, an Area of 112sqaure kilometers, I wonder if this calculation in truth relates to this 100 mile hinterland seems close to an approximate calculation of the city.

I know the fragment is there but I havent foiund it yet.

The city itself had 10 grand divisions that you can see and each division was seperated by 5 divisions. You can see the divisions within the hinterland of the triangle walls. Each grand division has an central headquarters

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/persian_gulf/index.htm

The 10 grand divisions



Another view of the 10 grand divisions



another view of a grand divisions and you can see the 5 divisions of a grand division.



and here is a single division with its headquarters still intact to a degree



and a top view produced when I first discovered the walls but wasn't seeing it was triangle city, that came later in the journey when it just appeared to me or when it occurred to me.

I found the fragment
web page

 

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PAPER 66 - THE PLANETARY PRINCE OF URANTIA, Oct 19 2000

line 183: The country around the city was quite well settled within a radius of one hundred miles.

Immediately surrounding the city, hundreds of graduates of the Prince's schools engaged in animal husbandry and otherwise carried out the instruction they had received from his staff and their numerous human helpers. A few engaged in agriculture and horticulture.

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Ok, if we extend further out to match the 100 mile radius of Dalamatia City you will reach the 100 mile outer extent of Dalamatia City beyond the walls.

Again the City is approximately 112.5 sq kilometers and can hold a total of 40,000 people and does seem to match the size of the triangle city in the image.



Each grand division held 500 and more people.

 

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The Prince's staff lived together as fathers and mothers. True, they had no children of their own, but the fifty pattern homes of Dalamatia never sheltered less than five hundred adopted little ones assembled from the superior families of the Andonic and Sangik races; many of these children were orphans.

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Sevens

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 Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:04 pm

Here is a copy of a few multiple emails that I sent to the Shin Sect

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Hello, My name is Sevens I am a individual religionist. I search all books of truth and I was led to the ancient cities of the Ages past by the Urantia Book. I have proposed this journey to all religions and thus far has been rejected.
Because the Urantia Book commondates your religion as the most progressive in all the world in Buddhism because you look at everything and consider. I thought I would approach you .

I was led to the city by the Urantia Book

My research is based on the Urantia Book and extends to all books and my focalization is the ancient cities.

Here is information of the City of the Prince
http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper66.html

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper67.html

and here is some information about Dalamatia City
../persian_gulf/index.htm

Based on all the above I would to propose a expedition to this location submerged in the Persian Gulf to widen and deepen all religion.

Here is an excerpt out of the Urantia Book that compliments the Shin Sect.

I am think that the Shin Sect is perhaps the last hope to get this expedition going for the great Amida

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... ne=225#mfs

Word Search "Amida"

line 219: Gradually the concept of God, as contrasted with the Absolute, began to appear in Buddhism. Its sources are back in the early days of this differentiation of the followers of the Lesser Road and the Greater Road. It was among the latter division of Buddhism that the dual conception of God and the Absolute finally matured. Step by step, century by century, the God concept has evolved until, with the teachings of Ryonin, Honen Shonin, and Shinran in Japan, this concept finally came to fruit in the belief in Amida Buddha.

line 224: Among these believers it is taught that the soul, upon experiencing death, may elect to enjoy a sojourn in Paradise prior to entering Nirvana, the ultimate of existence. It is proclaimed that this new salvation is attained by faith in the divine mercies and loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the west. In their philosophy, the Amidists hold to an Infinite Reality which is beyond all finite mortal comprehension; in their religion, they cling to faith in the all-merciful Amida, who so loves the world that he will not suffer one mortal who calls on his name in true faith and with a pure heart to fail in the attainment of the supernal happiness of Paradise.
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Here is the fragment I was speaking about.

The great strength of Buddhism is that its adherents are free to choose truth from all religions; such freedom of choice has seldom characterized a Urantian faith. In this respect the Shin sect of Japan has become one of the most progressive religious groups in the world; it has revived the ancient missionary spirit of Gautama's followers and has begun to send teachers to other peoples. This willingness to appropriate truth from any and all sources is indeed a commendable tendency to appear among religious believers during the first half of the twentieth century after Christ.

Buddhism itself is undergoing a twentieth-century renaissance. Through contact with Christianity the social aspects of Buddhism have been greatly enhanced. The desire to learn has been rekindled in the hearts of the monk priests of the brotherhood, and the spread of education throughout this faith will be certainly provocative of new advances in religious evolution.

At the time of this writing, much of Asia rests its hope in Buddhism. Will this noble faith, that has so valiantly carried on through the dark ages of the past, once again receive the truth of expanded cosmic realities even as the disciples of the great teacher in India once listened to his proclamation of new truth? Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?

All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus.

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So please consider this proposal. This journey was foreseen in the 1600 century and its is the Targum as seen that emanates out of the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf. A Targum is an interpretation. Everything in this journey was foreseen in all the books.

Sevens
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See the response eh!

I saw this "Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?" Is this prophetic and is in harmony with the current action in the journey??

and this why this sect is seen as a successful sect from what I can see because of this

 

Like in this journey, it may that this Shin Sect maybe used for the Fathers purpose because of the above attitude and is foreseen in advancing, the main keyword was "will be" looking forward. It may serve as a lesson to the current unbending Monotheistic religions.

Well today I virtually was told that I go to Hell by Islam and they back out of the conversation. There you go! That's the current situation.

That's right, "The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus."

That's right the hour is striking in more ways than one.

All highlights associated in one fragment makes you think is it by design and it seems to give guidance as to the current action. It might very well come from the East who knows.  I notice that Islam isn't specifically mentioned!



Sevens

posted 06-25-2008 04:24 AM

What! that is very very strange.

It appears to be personal, Obviously what jerked the book out of your wife's hand was trying to say something looking at the symbolism of it.

That really amazes me, Im really contemplating what's going on. The only way I can think about it is in accordance to my own journey and realizations to the ancient places. Im no expert at poltergeist occurrences.

The way I see it is through the symbolism that I am familiar with. Like the pitcher breaking in the same timeline as me discovering the destroyer prediction in the video reciting the Kolbrin Book prophecy. I heard that sentence, it really stood out to me and the first thought is when you posted the pitcher episode. I recalled the Destroyer video. Like perhaps a Omen for mankind.

Now we have a book virtually yanked out of your wife's hand whilst reading a sentence and the disappears only to be discovered under the bed.

To me again, when I look at the symbolism its about books and to me it relates to the journey and its about the books to the ancient places and to think that our journey is about books and what's written in them, its all about the Books what's leading man into a truthful daily journey and in my journey to the submerged cities of truth and also how we disagree on something's.

Brig I have an idea right an experiment. Know you dont have believe anything I propose, about Atlantis and what I think. Why dont you and your wife together read the Urantia Book just read it, you dont have to believe it or to follow it. There could be some thing in the symbolism that may occur and to what it could mean. Lets see if it marries in some way and in way we can identify it and it can be proven.

It could either two in my mind The Last Rebel creating mischief or it could be the Midwayers close to you trying prod you in to a certain direction.

Well I dont know I mean it just what I feel and Im the only that has attempted to find the truth of the matter in truth.

Even though we have different idea we brother of the Lord and we have to find the reasons of things if we can and I feel that require a wider way of considerations.

Pretty a book vanishing in mid air under the bed.

The missing light globe could mean Loss of light perhaps not seeing the truth in something maybe! missing the point.

Broken pitcher could mean an earth changing event that rocks everything, personal preparation in spirit with new considerations.

Book vanishing could mean perhaps a change of reading material is recommended in a way that involves you in a journey that your 2 seraphim's and perhaps midwayers find that you may find interesting and perhaps more relevant in the larger scheme of things.

If you decide to look at the book you dont have tell or make that known, that your personal thing.

But keep in touch with goings on. I suppose you could call demon slaying preacher to come to the house and devour the presence but, personally I dont think that will make much difference. Try it if you like.

But anyway all the best with your symbol journey and very strange goings on in your house.

Everyone is different and their journey is unique from what I can see.

Another thing Brig, I believe we are in the end Times in for great change and many of these personal things will happen to people in their own way as the angels are more active and are attempting to help people and wake people up.

Whilst we view in shallow terms ghosts and all that maybe there is much going on in the spiritual remembering that before the arrival of the King of Kings many things are being prepared and people are being warned in there own way but because is they are not sensitive to these things he becomes asleep. These pheonomena are probably necessary for them to happen to make people think on higher levels perhaps.

Lets face it Brig with a thread named Haunting you really asked for it didn't you.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

also the first Sections of the Urantia Book was written in one night where the papers virtually materialized. Now considering your wife's book dematerialized only to materialize under the bed to me is a signature of an archangel and if you read the time of Jesus after his resurrection and see who the spiritual personalities/angels where that dematerialized the physical body of Jesus then you will know the personalities who perhaps dematerialized your wife's book. Also angels have that ability to move things around but to dematerialize requires a few other personalities.

Maybe there is archangel working with you and your wife for the purpose of future things to come.

That's a little bit different and makes sense to me.

Hereis the Ub fragment

 

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After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Urantia midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus' physical body. This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the morontia form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. By the aid of certain morontia auxiliary personalities, the morontia form can be made at one time as of the spirit so that it can become indifferent to ordinary matter, while at another time it can become discernible and contactable to material beings, such as the mortals of the realm.
 

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But you have read on for the rest

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Essentially its a dematerialization is an accelerated time, back and forth in time?? Time dimension whom personalities are in control of. Makes you wonder eh!

 

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The mortal remains of Jesus underwent the same natural process of elemental disintegration as characterizes all human bodies on earth except that, in point of time , this natural mode of dissolution was greatly accelerated , hastened to that point where it became well-nigh instantaneous.

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speeding up time, dematerialization.

All the best
Sevens

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Hi Tisatashar

 

My personal relationship with the One God of Paradise goes beyond fear and transcends into Love and which in turn transcends to love one another. I was led on a path in the books of religion, Islam believes in the One God of Paradise so do I.

In my personal relationship with God, I find he is not some being ready to pounce on man person. God is one of Love and desires to have a loving relationship with all man and I love him for many things and I really respect the Lord in leading me upon this most excellent adventure and I believe that God will demonstrate this for us in truth of the highest levels in the physical reality of verification. In life layed out a simple guide for us to follow and that is the 7 commands which one I hope will be discovered in the first city that lays in the Persian Gulf including 1Susa and Dilmun submerged North Eastern Persian Gulf Iran. But that commands are in our hearts in the love for one another.

That will be the proof of divine guidance. There is no other proof in the guidance going on in the planet. There is no other information like this journey to the cities of truth which was hidden but is now being revealed.

God will just do it, regardless what anyone thinks. I work for the Lord giving all the time to his work with zeal and dedication. I really love to do his work giving out to all man without division where my travels and discoveries led through the books and given real life. Also this not a religion or anew religion but a work that will enhance believers in their religions that will unify many things. In this journey no one asks to join anything. Not at all!

The reason I am here is to share my experience and so we can both test it out. I walking in faith of the One God of Paradise and I feel Im getting huge results that can be shared with all mankind, no matter his religion because there is much commonality that can unite all in this path through the abyss with safety.

Division is the work of the Last Rebel and I feel many things have been infiltrated by this rebel. He is very smart and cunning even most of the rebel planetary angels where beguiled by him. But his time is coming and Jesus is coming back to slay the lingering sophistry of this rebel, the rebel who brings in division in all things.

I mean look at the world around us, what a mess that division has brought us. I want Islam as well as Christianity to be successful and happy in the knowledge that the Great God is coming but I sense there will be a massive correction by the great God and first thing he will deal with is mans religion and the division we all have before us in the witness even within religion itself there is division that cut short mans destiny on this planet in space/time.

I tell you Christianity is heading for a great correction amongst their ranks and there is some false doctrine in the religion that man uses to manipulate others for self purposes and all that will be routed out. But Islam is also heading for a correction, by the Judges equally like Christianity. This period is a time of preparation of the oncoming correction that which is appearing.

The submerged cities are the great sign that the great God is coming including the Judges and the Most high and the whole compliment of Universal Paradise Government. They are giving us a demonstration in truth through the cities of the hidden in the Abyss, coming from the Sea. What else could the great sign be? There is no other sign on the planet that offers great truth for our time and there is additional readable information attached to the cities which becomes like a book of life that provides good information that can be verified in the discovery of truth.

There is nothing that man can do about this "the dye is cast" upon realisation and proclamation, it has been revealed and it makes no difference whether anyone believe this or not. Doesn't matter because God is going to act and if no one listens there will be great consequences. Its not about ritual its all about a personal relationship within God from within daily, in everyday things and the commands is the basis that keeps a man strong and in relationship with God in the simplest form, walking in faith daily with the Great God from within.

Discovering great truth is a real liberation and it sets me free and I am very happy with God and how he has led me in my journey to the cities and in the books of religion where I have documented my daily thoughts in the journal to the cities with other additional discoveries along the way. It is my witness of my relationship with the great God and look where it led me! Unbelievable what a beautiful God of the Highest experience and no one got hurt in the journey and it was all truthful and sincere and loving and dedicated daily using everything I could find without prejudice and bias focalized on the ancient cities, the ancient path of the tree of life literally!

Just note this will be the only point of contact of this journey with Islam through this thread. I do appreciate you allowing me here. If this branch is cut off I wont make further contact.  If there are things that occur that is beyond man understanding there will be no branch to interpret the symbolism based on the Targum in the timeline of things of the cities.

Sevens

posted 06-27-2008 02:53 AM

Not from what I saw on a recent documentary using where people in religion use hell as a tool to fear the hell out of people to become a Christian.

Its about fear eh! whilst at the same time speaking about the Love of Jesus. How about 100% love and drop all the fear based stuff, especially when it comes to the tithe business.


Honestly there are some religious operations that are so oppressive over there congregation and who have total control of the congregation that go right against the teachings of Jesus.

Come on Brig you know this crap goes on all the time particularly behind closed doors.

What about Jim Jones eh! and his victims who no doubt everything they had under this guise of receive Sevenfold if you give. Because of his BS and influence over feeble minded people he killed them all.


Maybe those who do better financially are just applying better financial methods, simply!

Ive seen it myself at a bible college I attended where a man was forced to sell his house and give to the Lord.

Jesus and financial commerce should be completely separated and people should not be compelled to give all they have.

Here is what the UB says

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But there is no excuse for the involvement of the church in commerce and politics; such unholy alliances are a flagrant betrayal of the Master . And the genuine lovers of truth will be slow to forget that this powerful institutionalized church has often dared to smother newborn faith and persecute truth bearers who chanced to appear in unorthodox raiment
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Its so true that when money comes into the equation it corrupts. Exactly what is seen in many Christian Churches. Involved in the money stream by compulsion and also involved in politics influencing decisions like war.

I believe there is some false doctrine contained within Christianity from earlier evolutionary religions, Many aspects and perceptions of Christianity do come from earlier religions which were evolutionary and therefore neglecting the full message of Jesus in its simplest form.

 

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web page Early man entertained no ideas of hell or future punishment. The savage looked upon the future life as just like this one, minus all ill luck. Later on, a separate destiny for good ghosts and bad ghosts--heaven and hell-- was conceived . But since many primitive races believed that man entered the next life just as he left this one, they did not relish the idea of becoming old and decrepit. The aged much preferred to be killed before becoming too infirm.

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The habitual violation of a taboo became a vice; primitive law made vice a crime; religion made it a sin. Among the early tribes the violation of a taboo was a combined crime and sin. Community calamity was always regarded as punishment for tribal sin. To those who believed that prosperity and righteousness went together, the apparent prosperity of the wicked occasioned so much worry that it was necessary to invent hells for the punishment of taboo violators; the numbers of these places of future punishment have varied from one to five.
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Hell is a false doctrine which is a product of earlier evolutionary religion and was adopted by the early Christians as a compromise to fear the Hell out of people and to make Christianity acceptable amongst Pagan religions in evolutionary thought. Today we see many things like Easter, Christmas and Hell fire that Christianity perpetuates today but essentially its totally wrong.

Because Christianity is following some erroneous doctrine in the first instance, how could religion possibly make the right decisions if they are by and large ignorant of many facts following the evolutionary and part revelatory! A compromise of Jesus' truth within religion itself.

Mithra was a son of God who died and was resurrected and Jesus was seen in the same type.

Mithra was before Jesus. Many of the Catholic ideas of Saints actually came from Mithra itself. Its not the Jesus truth uncompromised. Actually many people dont even understand the history of what there listening to and the Churches I dont think even know itself that much of what there following comes from somewhere else.

Even the sacrifice idea is a product of evolutionary religion. All that came from an earlier religion and Christianity simply adopted it and made doctrine and dogma out of it and applied it to Jesus.


Sevens

posted 06-27-2008 04:34 AM

What is Christianity today and what was the compromise made to the Pagan religions?

 

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The early plan of Christian worship was largely taken over from the Jewish synagogue, modified by the Mithraic ritual; later on, much pagan pageantry was added. The backbone of the early Christian church consisted of Christianized Greek proselytes to Judaism.

The second century after Christ was the best time in all the world's history for a good religion to make progress in the Western world. During the first century Christianity had prepared itself, by struggle and compromise, to take root and rapidly spread. Christianity adopted the emperor; later, he adopted Christianity. This was a great age for the spread of a new religion. There was religious liberty; travel was universal and thought was untrammeled.

The spiritual impetus of nominally accepting Hellenized Christianity came to Rome too late to prevent the well-started moral decline or to compensate for the already well-established and increasing racial deterioration. This new religion was a cultural necessity for imperial Rome, and it is exceedingly unfortunate that it did not become a means of spiritual salvation in a larger sense. web page

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Much to think about Christianity! In the End Times much will shocking in the revealing of the truth.

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As you view the world, remember that the black patches of evil which you see are shown against a white background of ultimate good. You do not view merely white patches of good which show up miserably against a black background of evil.

When there is so much good truth to publish and proclaim , why should men dwell so much upon the evil in the world just because it appears to be a fact? The beauties of the spiritual values of truth are more pleasurable and uplifting than is the phenomenon of evil .

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Scientists have unintentionally precipitated mankind into a materialistic panic; they have started an unthinking run on the moral bank of the ages, but this bank of human experience has vast spiritual resources; it can stand the demands being made upon it. Only unthinking men become panicky about the spiritual assets of the human race. When the materialistic-secular panic is over, the religion of Jesus will not be found bankrupt. The spiritual bank of the kingdom of heaven will be paying out faith, hope, and moral security to all who draw upon it "in His name."

No matter what the apparent conflict between materialism and the teachings of Jesus may be, you can rest assured that, in the ages to come, the teachings of the Master will fully triumph. In reality, true religion cannot become involved in any controversy with science; it is in no way concerned with material things. Religion is simply indifferent to, but sympathetic with, science, while it supremely concerns itself with the scientist
 

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But the Christians made a shrewd bargain with the pagans in that they adopted the ritualistic pageantry of the pagan while compelling the pagan to accept the Hellenized version of Pauline Christianity. They made a better bargain with the pagans than they did with the Mithraic cult, but even in that earlier compromise they came off more than conquerors in that they succeeded in eliminating the gross immoralities and also numerous other reprehensible practices of the Persian mystery.
 

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And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence--man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him. web page
 

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The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind--the theology of authority--requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinctively shun the spirit struggles and mental uncertainties associated with those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul. web page
 

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Doesn't this reflect the journey to the ancient places

Right here in the Urantia Book. I believe this is a great clue in metaphor reflecting in type to where the physical truth will be found in the Seas leading to new and widening spiritual reality. Exactly pointing to this journey to the ancient places in Jesus' own words.

 

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The mystery religions spelled the end of national beliefs and resulted in the birth of the numerous personal cults. The mysteries were many but were all characterized by:

1. Some mythical legend, a mystery--whence their name. As a rule this mystery pertained to the story of some god's life and death and return to life, as illustrated by the teachings of Mithraism, which, for a time, were contemporary with, and a competitor of, Paul's rising cult of Christianity.

2. The mysteries were nonnational and interracial. They were personal and fraternal, giving rise to religious brotherhoods and numerous sectarian societies.

3. They were, in their services, characterized by elaborate ceremonies of initiation and impressive sacraments of worship. Their secret rites and rituals were sometimes gruesome and revolting.

4. But no matter what the nature of their ceremonies or the degree of their excesses, these mysteries invariably promised their devotees salvation, "deliverance from evil, survival after death, and enduring life in blissful realms beyond this world of sorrow and slavery."

But do not make the mistake of confusing the teachings of Jesus with the mysteries. The popularity of the mysteries reveals man's quest for survival, thus portraying a real hunger and thirst for personal religion and individual righteousness. Although the mysteries failed adequately to satisfy this longing, they did prepare the way for the subsequent appearance of Jesus, who truly brought to this world the bread of life and the water thereof.

Paul, in an effort to utilize the widespread adherence to the better types of the mystery religions, made certain adaptations of the teachings of Jesus so as to render them more acceptable to a larger number of prospective converts. But even Paul's compromise of Jesus' teachings (Christianity) was superior to the best in the mysteries in that:

1. Paul taught a moral redemption, an ethical salvation. Christianity pointed to a new life and proclaimed a new ideal. Paul forsook magic rites and ceremonial enchantments.

2. Christianity presented a religion which grappled with final solutions of the human problem, for it not only offered salvation from sorrow and even from death, but it also promised deliverance from sin followed by the endowment of a righteous character of eternal survival qualities.


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3. The mysteries were built upon myths. Christianity, as Paul preached it, was founded upon a historic fact: the bestowal of Michael, the Son of God, upon mankind.

 

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