Tablet 19

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:26 pm

With the sounds of hell post

Here is the counter balance story to the original story.

Everyone has to make up their own mind on Hell.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp

Here is another good video

This man died...and returned..Heaven and Hell are real
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg&feature=related
 

Which Im more interested in rather than Hell.

But I thought this UB fragment from the above was relevant
 

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Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction



The dense material always eventually goes to the middle of the earth. So would a separated soul venture the same path of heavier material? detained before personality extinction made by the Ancients of Days at the adjudication?

One thing we will know all the truth about this subject in the future.

Well one thing for sure, that study on Hell made me think many things about myself to be honest and Im going to refrain as best as possible to NOT judge my fellow man and to be more loving and my best to live Jesus' life in spirit towards my fellow man.

There is no way I want separation from the Father and Jesus. No way man! Even if there is even an incling of truth in that in that Im going to be more aware. Those sounds shocked the living daylights out of me.

What a horrible place, if that is the case and the bible says so that its the case quite clearly. Revelation has the description.

It makes one think!

Well regarding the journey to the ancient places all I can say is that I was all truthful and sincere using best the I had around to find the truth of the matter in the books and I never was in a mind to manipulate or to create something with premeditation It just happened as things occur to me as I reached the hidden tracks left by land marks in the description of things regarding all things of the ancient cities.

All things material Ive invested in this, Im broke but yet inspired by the Father of Heaven in how the journey has led me to great places and throughout the world. Im very happy to be part of the resurrection of the Melchizedek truth that helps man avoid those dire consequences of what we just saw.

I wouldn't want that on any man and Jesus is the way, praise the Lord almighty, well I hope I can overcome my weakness as best I can and do a good job ultimately without any failure if I can. But I know when you are inspired by the Father and your thoughts are concentrating on the threads of truth in vigor its a beautiful experience where there is no separation form within.

Action of the oneness of the Holy Spirit and the Father fragment from within.

Praise the Lord for that construct of the man that enables him to find the victory within himself over the self. Through unselfish acts!

That's another area I suffer from. That's probably why I do this as the balance to that selfishness and by me sharing my work on the run I eventually become unselfish through the action of the Father. It can be a hard road though!

We can only do our best and be conscious of all things.

Here is a Urantia book fragment about Hell according to the Hindu tradition

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webgli ... query=hell

 

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"God is our Father, the earth our mother, and the universe our birthplace. Without God the soul is a prisoner; to know God releases the soul. By meditation on God, by union with him, there comes deliverance from the illusions of evil and ultimate salvation from all material fetters. When man shall roll up space as a piece of leather, then will come the end of evil because man has found God. O God, save us from the threefold ruin of hell--lust, wrath, and avarice! O soul, gird yourself for the spirit struggle of immortality! When the end of mortal life comes, hesitate not to forsake this body for a more fit and beautiful form and to awake in the realms of the Supreme and Immortal, where there is no fear, sorrow, hunger, thirst, or death. To know God is to cut the cords of death. The God-knowing soul rises in the universe like the cream appears on top of the milk. We worship God, the all-worker, the Great Soul, who is ever seated in the heart of his creatures. And they who know that God is enthroned in the human heart are destined to become like him--immortal. Evil must be left behind in this world, but virtue follows the soul to heaven.

"It is only the wicked who say: The universe has neither truth nor a ruler; it was only designed for our lusts. Such souls are deluded by the smallness of their intellects. They thus abandon themselves to the enjoyment of their lusts and deprive their souls of the joys of virtue and the pleasures of righteousness. What can be greater than to experience salvation from sin? The man who has seen the Supreme is immortal. Man's friends of the flesh cannot survive death; virtue alone walks by man's side as he journeys ever onward toward
the gladsome and sunlit fields of Paradise."



Sevens


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http://www.dalamatiacity.com


 

That sounded very interesting and I liked what I read, it seemed to confirm things and I liked your commentary.

My prayer is that we of different cultures and with varying thoughts can be brothers in finding or realizing truth in commonality together.

thank you, I enjoy your posts and that we share our journey to the One God of Paradise is a blessing.

Sevens8


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Hi

I was really impressed with this fragment you posted

 

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And mention when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." This - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." 7.172

 


For me in my personal journey this verse had great meaning. The journey to the ancient places does incorporate 1stEden, its were the journey began from me and the journey has been on going experience of discovery on all levels. Being an on going testimony you never know what you uncover the next day, everyday has been different and has been quite exciting. For me it has truly evolved into a very exciting experience and I believe it involves the highest level of universal government of Paradise.

I am absolutely sure that this journey in uncovering the hidden track is very significant but it has to be tested and confirmed and the way is to go out to Dalamatia City in the Persian Gulf where all religions and countries of the area are involved to prove the matter of the journey or the Targum, the interpretation on the fly.

That would be the way to confirm it. It would be good if all truth seekers of each culture was there to witness of what maybe a great discovery in the physical led by books and self realisation for mankind pointing Paradise ward. Its also an opportunity to bring all man together in the oneness of the revelation that related to origins which a complete record in truth and discovery.

There is no way anyone could manufacture this considering the City in the Persian Gulf is submerged is at about 80 meters well according to NASA.

If we could go out there and prove the city with all to witness it could provide the platform in the demonstration for Paradise to respond ...quite possible! and it proves the record as foreseen in the books.

I believe this could be the enlightenment and upstep that all religions have been looking for and provides the foundation of evidence that each religion contains within their book of reference of which can be harmonized together, forming a oneness in truth and therefore providing safe passage through the abyss of judgment.

Yet the embedded truth of the journey from a prospective unique to the culture is in their book and yet in all this time there was a new book instrumental in the base information of the discoveries and that by the verification of the cities brought about a unity between the religions i the demonstration but never took anything away from anyone.

Well, that's the hope I have in finding commonality together, harmonizing our common journey on the path to the one God of Paradise! and I feel, for our time it will emanate from the ancient cities of our origins submerged and that the discovery will highlight the whole complete truth of our history and provide expanded truth in the discovery which will assist man to walk closer with the realm of Paradise in his personal walk of his life.

All the best

Sevens8


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:51 am
 

Here is a link to video of a well seal found in the islands of Patmos and Mykonos. The author of the video feels its could have a connection in metaphor in the description of the Seven seals made by John in revelation and with Saturn which I can understand. However I see some other things in metaphor. This type of seal is also used to secure tombs like Jesus' tomb. In metaphor I see the Seven Seals in both doors protecting protecting something that is buried from ages past, or like a plug sealing a well it could like the plug of the Living waters of the last revelation of our times. The Seventh seal related to this journey working is like working through the books in the focalization to the cities of past ages and by discovering the hidden paths along the way breaks the great Seventh mystery as we discover further the truth, unlocking the tombs of ancient cities of the past. Identical in type to the well seal or perhaps the Seventh Seal protecting the tomb of the cities. All in the same spiritual type and metaphor!

Notice the 3 concentric circles on the outer ring and more rings on the circular door of the well seal.  Probably Seven in all!

In symbolism points to the Melchizedek Symbol which is the base symbol of this journey!

Seal of God - Bruce Codex, Uriel, and Abyssos
http://www.youtube.com/v/xFu_TeZZilA&hl=en

The Well Seal or the Seventh Seal used in Metaphor by John of Revelation! This well seal can be found on Patmos Island.

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I thought it was an interesting connection apparently these can be found on the isle of Patmos.

Although some people seem to think its a seal pointing to Saturn! I feel it has something to do with the Sevenfold! symbolized by the Seven rings look at it from Johns perspective and in light of this journey to the cities.

 

Here is another link I just found.

http://www.blackraiser.com/mib/seal_of_God.htm


 

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This is his character which is on his face thus

The Greek word CARAKTHR means: the collective qualities of a person, or
a role played by an actor. It also means a written letter, symbol, or an engraving: "This is his seal which is in his forehead."

The small vertical line in the nucleus of the top circle drawing is not present in the bottom circle, but it dwells "in his forehead."

Though still largely unknown to the general reading public, The Book of Jeu diagrams are probably the world's oldest graphic images of the "seal of God" as mentioned in St John's Revelation: "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
(- Revelation 7:2-3)



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And what are the main symbols of the journey to the ancient places? The circles whether it be co planar or concentric. The seal of the Melchizedek, the new Planetary Prince of this planet installed by Jesus.

Didn't Ezekiel have a similar descriptions of a wheel within a wheel within a wheel resembling something close to the seal of Patmos or John or even the Sevenfold seal?

Certainly fits the description of the Well Seal, two wheels within one and the 3rd wheel being the shaft to the lock.

The symbol of the Seventh Book of Moses, note the 3 concentric Melchizedek circles and the 7 circles of the Sevenfold which is the Symbol, of the Seventh mystery.

The symbol of the Seventh Book of Moses


From Moses to John on Patmos the same symbol of the Melchizedek and to our day. How beautiful!

Here is another interesting triangle circle symbol.

The Third Table of the Spirits of the Water.
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from

http://www.esotericarchives.com/moses/67moses.htm

Note the 3 co planar circles in this seal

The Second Table of the Spirits of Fire




All the relevant symbols seen in these Kabala symbols and seen and recognized in the journey to the ancient places.

Quite incredible to come across this major confirmation in the symbolism all related to the Seventh seal and encompasses all the symbolism of the journey to the ancient places all linked by the 3 co planar circles, 3 concentric circles and the triangle circle symbol found in all the the cities of past Epochs. Another Symbol is the 7 circles of the Sevenfold!

Praise the Lord!

I tell you what those seal are on my forehead as the journey has been been a fulltime journey ranging from 12hrs to 18hrs a day for a while now just searching the books, following inner thoughts and discovering connections that I reckon links and parallels with my direction.

Sevens


Post Re: Double-Triple+ Mileage! Triple Power! No-Downsizing! Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:01 am

Hey Geo

Loved the post and love the cars, Gee the US make some nice looking cars and RV's.

I love the thought that the car companies are now beginning to produce cars powered by all the fuels. Its already beginning and the OPEC companies are slowly on the way out. There is the door buddy!

Public opinion from the screw of Opec will actually weaken OPEC. As we sort new energy alternatives that horrible cartel will be in the background. They will loose their power by pushing the prices higher with motive. No doubt religion is in the background somewhere!!

With Biofuel, if they use crops to produce the fuel I feel its a mistake as we need crops for food. However, there have been advances by creating bio fuel out of fast growing algae and of simple rubbish from paper with a new technique.

The death knell to the power of OPEC and the oil companies can be heard and the automakers are changing their direction. Its all about economics and public opinion and there is no way that the auto companies are going sacrifice themselves to the oil companies. They will abandon the oil companies if its a matter of self survival and economics.

The sooner the US can forward themselves in this direction the better of it will be. I believe they must go through this transition to rid themselves of things that hold the people back like OPEC and all that low level thinking.

All the best and great pics and thread
sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-09-2008 08:19 PM


I suppose the same thing happened with Dalamatia City as it was destroyed due to sudden submergence. The evidence of this is large reserves of Gas below the city and in the surrounding areas.

I wonder if these places that are supposedly submerged have large gas deposits underneath?? Gas is evidence of over heated oil is due to immense pressure of rapid submergence.

Sevens


Post Re: Double-Triple+ Mileage! Triple Power! No-Downsizing! Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:50 am

Hey JHM

I agree with your above post, However in Australia, there have been advances by creating bio fuel out of fast growing algae and of simple rubbish from paper with a new technique.

Hopefully, we can use crops for food only rather than for fuel by using this alternative fast growing algae and rubbish conversion.

Hopefully! its not too little to soon! because of economics only!

I tell you there is absolutely no love for the Western nations from the OPEC nations that is for sure! Even though they like the power and money but Funny enough because of their attitude it provides a good correction for mankind in his energy use. So out of negative can come positive in attitude that lead to change!

sevens


Post Re: King David's birthday- You gotta see this one! Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:07 am

That's quite interesting, I also found out that my birthday was on the same date that Israel proclaimed its country to the world but my birth year was 13 years later but on May 14th same date as the proclamation by Israel!

Very interesting working with date and numbers particularly in the Seven pattern. Pattern of the Father on Paradise/Kingdom of Heaven. Maybe we are being grouped for the work of the Lord were we realize these interesting patterns within our Birthdates and how it relates to the work of the Lord in the latter days in our journeys. Maybe these are personal signs of realisation for us personally as we go through the abyss of the latter days.

Praise the Lord anyway! no worries at all!

Hey how cool is this

7- Completion

ahahahahah right on bro!


sevens


« Reply #90 on: Today at 04:27:24 am »

Hi 12 Apostles

No worries thanks for the email, the research is going very well and I feel happy with it I think I have reached an end to research which led me the isle of Patmos and the well seals which maybe the thing John was looking at when he was writing about the Seventh Seal, like well seal of everliving waters of truth in metaphor related to the seventh mystery revealed at the end days.

In the same moment I found symbols used in the Seventh book of Moses and a few other symbols in other related books that completely confirmed all the symbolism found in the path of the journey.

I think it felt like a conclusion to the on the run research but Im not sure as you never know what you find everyday.  But coming to the symbols in harmony to the journey was like a finale.  Now its time to go out there so at the moment Im getting prices and see what it takes to do an expedition.

Hey thanks for your enquiry 12 Apostles, I believe this is the path of the One God of Paradise/The Kingdom of Heaven and so far in this journey of faith I have not been disappointed with the research.   Actually I feel enthusiastic, the attitude the Father likes to see by the Sons of the Father happily doing the will the Father in the way see in their life.

All the best

Sevens


« Reply #9 on: Today at 05:31:40 am »

Hey no worries 12 Apostles but I also place faith in the prophets of old and the words of Jesus and combine much from different levels of knowledge.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com

all the best
sevens


« Reply #9 on: Today at 05:31:40 am »

Hey no worries 12 Apostles but I also place faith in the prophets of old and the words of Jesus and combine much from different levels of knowledge in the focalization to the ancient places.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com

You know 12 Apostles because of the Urantia Book I understand the Bible so much better and I feel great respect and love for the prophets of old.  It was the Urantia Book that led me into the great journey but not only that.  It was all the books of religion that also confirmed my journey to the ancient places.  Because I found so many connections and parallels in my focalization I grew so much love for the Father more so, knowing that he really loves us and he is with us all the time and is there when we reach out to him and ask for help in faith knowing that he is our friend.

I say praise the Lord and I praise the Lord for the Bible, the great book of the prophets and all the other books alike.

all the best
sevens


« on: Today at 07:38:02 pm »

Hi

As you know I am on the journey to the ancient places attempting to find parallels and connections to the ancient places mentioned in the Urantia Book.  In the journey I flit all over the place as I come across connections.  Just recently in the journey I came across a site called the screams of hell which was a audio file recorded by some Siberians drilling outfit who drilled a whole 14 kilometers deep and hit upon a cavity.  They dropped a microphone down the hole and heard these screams of a thousands of people.

The audio tape disturbed but prompted me to consider the thought of hell.

Below are some posts about what I found and some thoughts.
 

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Now here is something that I found quite disturbing and could relate to the underworld of the sleeping souls who have no rest, awaiting judgement when Jesus comes back.  For those who live truth, beauty and goodness showing love for one another in the spirit of Jesus actually go straight to the mansion worlds after their death.  Those who spurn appear detained in a place of no rest by the sounds of it and do no progress into the kingdom of Heaven.

The Sounds of Hell video

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLR,GGLR:2006-03,GGLR:en&q=sonds%20of%20hell&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#q=sounds%20of%20hell&sitesearch=

Its very disturbing but it could serve as a warning for unbelief and for those who spurn the Father and destroy mankind in there own way throughout their life.

Dr Maurice Rawlings - NDE - To Hell and Back



sevens


and here is another post from the Urantia prospective

 

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Here is a fragment from the Urantia Book which in the highlight seems like interesting perception of personality extinction.  But you have to read the link in context.

 

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PAPER 102 - THE FOUNDATIONS OF RELIGIOUS FAITH, Oct 19 2000

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper102.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper102.html&line=27#mfs

line 27: To the unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternal oblivion and soul extinction . Nameless despair is man's only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good
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and personality extinction, the UB

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=personality+extinction&submit=Submit

 

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line 107:           In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter. Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death. The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction ; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence


Sevens


and here is another post

 

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With the sounds of hell post

Here is the counter balance story to the original story.

Everyone has to make up their own mind on Hell.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp

Here is another good video

This man died...and returned..Heaven and Hell are real


Which Im more interested in rather than Hell.

But I thought this UB fragment from the above was relevant


 

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Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction


The dense material always eventually goes to the middle of the earth. So would a separated soul venture the same path of heavier material? detained before personality extinction made by the Ancients of Days at the adjudication?

One thing we will know all the truth about this subject in the future.

Well one thing for sure, that study on Hell made me think many things about myself to be honest and Im going to refrain as best as possible to NOT judge my fellow man and to be more loving and my best to live Jesus' life in spirit towards my fellow man.

There is no way I want separation from the Father and Jesus. No way man! Even if there is even an incling of truth in that in that Im going to be more aware. Those sounds shocked the living daylights out of me.

What a horrible place, if that is the case and the bible says so that its the case quite clearly.  Revelation has the description.

It makes one think!

Well regarding the journey to the ancient places all I can say is that I was all truthful and sincere using best the I had around to find the truth of the matter in the books and I never was in a mind to manipulate or to create something with premeditation It just happened as things occur to me as I reached the hidden tracks left by land marks in the description of things regarding all things of the ancient cities.

All things material Ive invested in this, Im broke but yet inspired by the Father of Heaven in how the journey has led me to great places and throughout the world. Im very happy to be part of the resurrection of the Melchizedek truth that helps man avoid those dire consequences of what we just saw.

I wouldn't want that on any man and Jesus is the way, praise the Lord almighty, well I hope I can overcome my weakness as best I can and do a good job ultimately without any failure if I can. But I know when you are inspired by the Father and your thoughts are concentrating on the threads of truth in vigor its a beautiful experience where there is no separation form within.

Action of the oneness of the Holy Spirit and the Father fragment from within.

Praise the Lord for that construct of the man that enables him to find the victory within himself over the self. Through unselfish acts!

That's another area I suffer from. That's probably why I do this as the balance to that selfishness and by me sharing my work on the run I eventually become unselfish through the action of the Father. It can be a hard road though!

We can only do our best and be conscious of all things.

Here is a Urantia book fragment about Hell according to the Hindu tradition

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=hell


 

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"God is our Father, the earth our mother, and the universe our birthplace. Without God the soul is a prisoner; to know God releases the soul. By meditation on God, by union with him, there comes deliverance from the illusions of evil and ultimate salvation from all material fetters. When man shall roll up space as a piece of leather, then will come the end of evil because man has found God. O God, save us from the threefold ruin of hell--lust, wrath, and avarice! O soul, gird yourself for the spirit struggle of immortality! When the end of mortal life comes, hesitate not to forsake this body for a more fit and beautiful form and to awake in the realms of the Supreme and Immortal, where there is no fear, sorrow, hunger, thirst, or death. To know God is to cut the cords of death. The God-knowing soul rises in the universe like the cream appears on top of the milk. We worship God, the all-worker, the Great Soul, who is ever seated in the heart of his creatures. And they who know that God is enthroned in the human heart are destined to become like him--immortal. Evil must be left behind in this world, but virtue follows the soul to heaven.

"It is only the wicked who say: The universe has neither truth nor a ruler; it was only designed for our lusts. Such souls are deluded by the smallness of their intellects. They thus abandon themselves to the enjoyment of their lusts and deprive their souls of the joys of virtue and the pleasures of righteousness. What can be greater than to experience salvation from sin? The man who has seen the Supreme is immortal. Man's friends of the flesh cannot survive death; virtue alone walks by man's side as he journeys ever onward toward the gladsome and sunlit fields of Paradise."
Sevens
 



In the final analysis  Im not sure whether this is a hoax or not and it seems to me that the Ancients of Days can only execute personality extinction when they are all together like in a dispensational change. 

It appears to me that after death depending on your status


That there are those that go straight to the mansions worlds
There are those that sleep until judgement occurs
And I wonder if there are those that have no sleep and unrest through there separation.

Also there seems to be a 4 minute period after death where your mental processes are still working.  It could be that in this 4 minute period most human beings, (depending on their death) go through a self realisation of themselves and what they face due to their witness in their life.  It seems to be a common experience amongst those who went through the near death experience and they all have the same story.  The thing in common is that they called out to the Jesus in their time of trial and Jesus never failed them.

Well Im not taking any chances here and I dont want any one to go through such a horrible reality.

It maybe that a place of unrest might actually exist where there is no sleep, as we know Evil cannot go to heaven and so it must be kept somewhere before it can be fully extinguished by all the 3 Ancients of Days present.

So Im thinking perhaps one aspect of the personality after death is kept in a place detention for those who are evil in the sight of God.  Hell seems like place realisation of all sorts of things of unrest, it seems obvious that the spiritual unrest follows you and gives you no sleep.

Look all Im saying is take no chances on this one.  Its all to do with Jesus our Saviour and if anyone dies and comes into this Near Death Experience or death experience and has problems Just call out for Jesus that's all and with sincerity which Im sure anyone would be sincere at a time like that.

that 4 minute period could be very significant to where you go, so call out the name of Jesus if you have problems or remember this post and call out to Jesus if your in a mire of problems with the inevitability.

I dont want anyone to fall short of heaven.  Im not sure if the Siberian screams of Hell is true or not. However, Im  assuming there is some truth in a place of detention of Evil before the ancient Days come for judgement.

Whilst there are those that sleep in peace there must be those that have no spiritual sleep! and where are they kept before judgement??

I wouldnt mind some thoughts from the Urantia Brothers on this.  I think it would be good to look into the matter of Hell.

Does the Urantia Book says there is no Hell?  I cant find that reference.  It would be a good study for the benefit of man to actualy determine the truth of Hell and if there exists a place of detention on Earth where the survivors have no rest whilst on the other hand there are sleeping survivors that have the peaceful rest.

Sincerely
Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-10-2008 07:15 PM


Hi here is some study to see if Hell is Real.

But because I cant post this up because of this silly thing you have to go to this link to check out the study

 

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http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/index.php/topic,10071.msg85875.html#msg85875

Sevens


« Reply #2 on: Today at 09:09:42 pm »

 

Ok here is some fragments on survival, judgement and sleeping survivors related to the resurrection of Jesus.

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper189.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper189.html&line=77#mfs


 

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The circuit of the archangels then operated for the first time from Urantia. Gabriel and the archangel hosts moved to the place of the spiritual polarity of the planet; and when Gabriel gave the signal, there flashed to the first of the system mansion worlds the voice of Gabriel, saying: "By the mandate of Michael, let the dead of a Urantia dispensation rise!" Then all the survivors of the human races of Urantia who had fallen asleep since the days of Adam, and who had not already gone on to judgment, appeared in the resurrection halls of mansonia in readiness for morontia investiture. And in an instant of time the seraphim and their associates made ready to depart for the mansion worlds. Ordinarily these seraphic guardians, onetime assigned to the group custody of these surviving mortals, would have been present at the moment of their awaking in the resurrection halls of mansonia, but they were on this world itself at this time because of the necessity of Gabriel's presence here in connection with the morontia resurrection of Jesus.



So what happened to the one that had no sleep or unrest?

Here is a search on 
surviving+mortals

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=surviving+mortals

and here is a search on Nonsurvival

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=nonsurvival&submit=Submit


fragment

 

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As related to fusion candidates, if a Mystery Monitor is deserted by the mortal associate, if the human partner declines to pursue the ascending career, when released by natural death (or prior thereto), the Adjuster carries away everything of survival value which has evolved in the mind of that nonsurviving creature. If an Adjuster should repeatedly fail to attain fusion personality because of the nonsurvival of successive human subjects, and if this Monitor should subsequently be personalized, all the acquired experience of having indwelt and mastered all these mortal minds would become the actual possession of such a newly Personalized Adjuster, an endowment to be enjoyed and utilized throughout all future ages. A Personalized Adjuster of this order is a composite assembly of all the survival traits of all his former creature hosts.


To me the above highlights that during/after death there is an opportunity of decision. "when released by natural death (or prior thereto),"  This is also marked by the testimony of those who Had Near Death Experiences where Jesus came in response to their pleas in a very sticky situation.  They all made positive appeals to Jesus and he came to save them like a friend and Saviour.


here is a word search on judgment

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=judgment


and a word search on Hell
 


Icon 1 posted 06-10-2008 09:49 PM


I dont know, it sounds very dire to me.

Fair dinkum I wouldn't want to risk anything...Just say if your all wrong and its a reality! As we hear!

Far out that would be the most terrible thing for anyone to go through. Plus all the books speak of a place like this, surely they could not be all wrong on this subject!

The Urantia Book from what I can see doesn't deny it or says it exists. Maybe its something we have to assume as we look through all the keywords and see what it uncovers.

Maybe its left up in the air for us to consider.

It also appears that during death there is an decision time for those who have made no decision for survival for whatever reason, a last minute decision time between you and the Father. This may explain the near death experience of all those people in the original post who came back speaking of there experience with Jesus and the Testamony of their experience. This experience I assume is occurring during the 4 minute period where the mental process are still operating and yet the body is clinically dead.

Sevens



Icon 1 posted 06-10-2008 10:24 PM

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All that "reality" is on any form is code in execution...


or a state of deletion.

The mind is connected to the soul, that's how personality develops, all the decisions and experience in this life shapes the personality which has an eternal endowment that has survivability.

After the death in a normal circumstance it appears that the mind process are still operating to a degree where this NDE event occurs. So technically the mind is still alive and connected to the soul but in midway point. Perhaps the thought adjuster at that time makes contact with the personality as in the light and speaks to the Soul/personality (eternal aspect) in a way that is understood with a decision to make. The last minute opportunity for personality survival.

Evil cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven and evil personalities cannot be extinguished until the 3 Ancient of Days arrive for judgment so it must be stored somewhere as evil is energy and it must go somewhere. It must go somewhere to be stored and its heavy and dense. Being heavy and dense it must go toward the center of the earth as the more material one becomes, the heavier he becomes in the personality. Heavy elements eventually are drawn to the center of the earth like perhaps the heavy material traits of man created upon his poor decisions in life which led to an evil will.

Speculation but still looking into it but it seems to make some sense to me.

sevens


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Hi I just read about Ubar, fascinating and I also read the information about the Ad, truly an interesting recital. For me it is a type of today in the world we find ourselves in.

 

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The 'Ad (people) rejected the messenger.
Behold, their brother Hud said to them: “Will ye not fear (Allah)?
I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust:
So fear Allah and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.

Do ye build a landmark on every high place to amuse yourselves? And do ye get for yourselves fine buildings in the hope of living therein (for ever)? And when ye exert your strong hand, do ye do it like men of absolute power?
Now fear Allah, and obey me.
Yea, fear Him Who has bestowed on you freely all that ye know.
Freely has He bestowed on you cattle and sons,-
And Gardens and Springs.
Truly I fear for you the Penalty of a Great Day.”
They said: “It is the same to us whether thou admonish us or be not among (our) admonishers!
This is no other than a customary device of the ancients, And we are not the ones to receive Pains and Penalties!”
So they rejected him, and We destroyed them. Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe.
And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.
(Surat ash-Shuara: 123-140)

When I look at the above, In red Im noting the characteristics of the last messenger. It appears that the Last messenger asks for no reward for his message and gives it out freely, it seems to be rejected, I noticed references to Gardens and Springs and it makes me think does that have reference to our origins of the past as in multiple cities in a discovery representing the truth of the path of the tree of life in the past related to its immortality by the eating of the fruit and the cities built around it at various past epochal times? Gardens and springs like multiple places where the tree of life was in the past??

and then this reference where it associates with the ancients and almost proves that certain devices of the ancients relied upon actually fail the Ad or man in this day of judgement and it seems to me they where they felt they were above judgment or above Allah! Bad mistake!

 

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This is no other than a customary device of the ancients, And we are not the ones to receive Pains and Penalties!”

It appears that the message given in the beforehand and the message is all related to the day of Judgment where Allah will require mans soul in his motivation and action.

Just some thoughts but I am fascinated and Im glad I can have dialogue with someone to seek the truth of the matter and intent of the one God of Paradise!

I also would like to know if possible who the Ad are of this day? and where do they live? or is that representative of a race or something. What happened to the Ad?

And the last message is related to a sign and what is that sign for our day
 

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So they rejected him, and We destroyed them. Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe.

Is it a sign that comes from the past?

After the message was rejected a great wind came and destroyed Ubar. In this Ubar can be the planet and the people who reject the last message and test if faith will be dealt with like the Ad.

I think there is no difference to today than what happened in Ubar. I believe the story of Ubar is a clear type for today in our reality.


still looking into things

all the best
Sevens8


Icon 1 posted 06-10-2008 11:58 PM


Here is a previous post from a few days ago


I just saw this video.

I thought it was absolutely truthful and it completely confirm my personal journey and reminds me when the conversation of this thread was about the Destroyer/the Angona System/PlanetX

The video is a direct confirmation of what is to come of this planet and I believe we are in the process right now and its related to the Seventh mystery and the revealing of the treasury as in the all the ancient cities.

The video posted by Speaking Rock
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358 really touched my heart and brought tears of listening to our short term destiny and in light of the conversation. It will come like a thief in the night and cause real desolation and before that there will be a short and narrow path that leads to evacuation. In relation to the journey in the video was the part even the son of a thief will be your scribe, something like that! I can relate to that. The narrow path that leads to Noah's ark in our day of safety will be laid out by a scribe who be the son of a thief which is no different from the father/son relationship of Siddhartha Gautama in his relationship with his Father who was a petty chieftain who suffered the people according to the UB. I see many parallels!

Everything in the video was true and it was good and I would take heed to it and prepare and send out the message, one way of confirmation is going out to Dalamatia City and verify the discovered city in the images led through all the books of religion and namely the Urantia Book. Everything encompassed in the video is also contained in the journey specifically on the path to the ancient places which includes 1stEden and Dalamatia City.

We can do this while we can to confirm the Ark of the testament. Verifying Dalamatia City would confirm everything and lead to a path of Safety in truth before the dreaded reality of the Destroyer.

I also think the Kolbrin bible is relevant to the journey to the ancient places. I see much truth in the scribe who wrote chapter 3.

That was very good.

The seventh Mystery is Noah's ark of the Latter day!


Another part of the video I resonated to is that in those days the great book before them great book of wisdom, revealed. Could be all the books in oneness but pointing to one book of truth that forms unity with all the books in revealing and demonstration.

In those days man will have the great book before them wisdom will be unveiled and revealed

A few would be gathered for the stand in the final hour!

The dauntless ones survive!

God of all ages, light throughout who sets the trail of man.

Even the Son of a thief has become your scribe.

Kolbrin Bible extracts from the video from Speaking Rock.

All reflective of the journey to the ancient places of all ages in truth in the journey of the mystery.

a fragment from the Kolbrin bible

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and

http://yowbooks.com/download/manning/k2master/kolbrin-bible-ebook-demo.pdf

Very relevant for today.

 

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Revelation, 1:19-20

Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.


"The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand,"

Kind of infers a mouse in the right hand and a monitor seeing the Seventh, mystery unveiled and revealed.

and

 

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Manuscripts 3:9

…the hour of the DESTROYER is at hand.

Manuscripts 3:10

In those days, men will have the Great Book before them [upon its return], wisdom will be revealed, the few will be gathered for the stand, it is the hour of trial. The dauntless ones (the stouthearted) will survive ...


Thats true a few will stand at the last, I know that for sure.

Sevens



« Reply #4 on: Today at 02:11:44 am »

No worries

Many of the ancient books before Jesus all make some reference to some Hell.

Surely the ancient prophets of all the religions before the middle ages couldn't be wrong!

There must be some truth in that some where.

Then again how can we prove that they are wrong? or in total error?

I dont think we can prove that Hell doesn't exist.

How could the people of NDE have the same experience all saying the same things?

People say we dont need a hell but maybe we have no choice in the matter of the existence of actual hell, no matter what people think. Its just perhaps the way it is!

Unless someone can actually prove the non existence of Hell I'm taking no chances.

All I'm saying, if people find themselves in a sticky situation after death where there is a choice in the light of heavy circumstance just call out to Jesus with sincerity.  That's all I'm saying!

No way about this place what a horrible bloody crappy place,  I wouldn't entertain disbelief on this place as the costs is far to high to gamble with!

Here are some videos of Near Death Experience surely these people cannot be wrong.







and

An Atheist Has A Near-Death Experience

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 04:40 AM


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All my material including photos of the actual locations is published on the many pages of my website. You on the other hand only have a few blurry graphics which even then do not show the things Plato described in the manner he described them.


How true is that, You show proper images, Georgeous does not, all the images are just crap if there is a worthy image but there never is, more of the same ahahahaha

I agree with you totally!

He cant even answer simple questions, that break his way off theory, there is no proof that I can see in any blurry image he puts forward.


sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 04:57 AM


True, you probably quite right but it has to be proven. What we are saying is speculation so therefore I will take no chances in believing there is a place of detention who dont enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Bible talks about Hell, Judaism and Zoroastrians speak about it including the Hindu scripts.

Yes, probably a man made fear manifesting but it has to be proven that a hell does not exist.

If that could proven I would consider it but for the moment I thinking that a place like that exist. Because where does the evil go? I know goodness is stored for universal use, so evil being the opposite must be stored somewhere which eventually gets wiped out by the 3 Ancients of Days when the come here for the judgment of mankind.

Hell, bugger that for a reality! For people who think its in the mind and show no evidence without proof, just a simple opinion could be awfully wrong and mislead by more of the same crap! with no substance.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 04:03 PM

No problem, Im only speculating myself as to the existence of Hell and what might be the reality.

Although here was another fragment that caught my eye

 

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Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction.

and

Man's friends of the flesh cannot survive death; virtue alone walks by man's side as he journeys ever onward toward the gladsome and sunlit fields of Paradise."


Every reflection is a thought of photonic energy and is recorded and stored in the process for personality survival, Evil and good thoughts are energy that is recorded. They have substance and evil cannot come in the Heaven so those evil actions of the record must be recorded and stored somewhere, not to mention perhaps those who create those evil thoughts and motivations....only to be wiped out in judgment but before then where is the personality kept if its not in Heaven.

The Ancients Days cannot extinguish personality as all three of them have to be together for judgment that wont happen until they arrive to this pitiful, crappy and sinful dark planet.

So where does the crap and the crappy people go?

So if mortal mind becomes more material then he remains with the material and never enjoys the spiritual and therefore suffers personality extinction! and where is the location?

Where does that happen?

I wish there was few UB people to go through this to find the truth of the matter about Hell.

just a thought. ahahahahahahah

Eh! forget the opinions, just show me some evidence of some research or some worthy. Opinions mean absolutely nothing without reference and demonstration.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 04:22 PM


Yes no worries but that's an opinion but I have to see the research or some reference of research to support what you say.

Nothing against what you say as its an open question.

You say its in the mind which is true and perhaps hell is created by man but I have to see demonstration of that, like in research. somehow ahahaha.  Also man at death does go through a mindal/spiritual experience where he faces some reality personal to his spirit/soul and related to direction.

Oh man I think this subject is a hard one to tell you the truth but there are a few things I believe and that is:

 

  • Personality extinction exist
     

  • Personality Survival is based on faith and virtue which is encompassed by truth, beauty and goodness.
     

  • Evil and other related propensities of man does not enter the kingdom of Heaven.
     

  • Separation of man from God does exist before and after death if man chooses.
     

  • If Evil cannot enter heaven than it must be in storage for eventual judgment.
     

  • If the evil person is not in heaven then he must be somewhere else, awaiting judgement.


I can show references to this not to mention all the references in all the books of religion in all cultures.

Surely all of them cant be totally wrong...surely wireless.

Honestly, I wish this Hell business was not the case! I wish it was just a creation of man but I have to see a demonstration of that.

Also I cant believe that an really evil man has rest of his material life. Rest usually comes with a man who walks with truth, beauty and goodness. I cant see how a man who rejects this has peace and rest including slumber before judgment of the ancients of Days.

For example: What about people who are afflicted by an evil entity or entities in a house like in a haunting. It clearly shows that these entities are not in slumber nor at peace and are locked into some spiritual vortex maybe because they clung on to their material possession or material world and couldn't let go and wanted to remain behind, so being material in spirit they remained behind in there material world locked within the confines of a room or house.

What about some of these pissed of entities that move things around in the house and become mischievous and frustrated because they are so restricted and confined, they are all awaiting the judgment of the Ancients of Days and are stuck in there own hell or restriction because they could not let go of the material for some reason.

Come to think of it, I think Brig has one of these entities in his own house who is entertaining him and his wife from what I can tell from his haunting thread. Probably a guy who lived there and couldn't let go and his world and is therefore restricted to Brigs house until judgment comes where this planet is cleaned up from all the evil crap and people who just crap on all day long for there lust of BS.

Angels dont operate in the way of moving things and stupid antics they only perform the duties and work where the action is and are of a high standard representing and perpetuating the ultimate truth.

Oh wireless when I mentioned demonstration essentially Im saying prove it. That's all!

Its a wide subject and I am deducing quite a bit myself with speculation!

Oh well ahahahahah Im just trying to find the actual truth of the matter! That's all mate!

No worries mate! In the meanwhile we'll just kick some more goals!!!!


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 05:19 PM


I dont think this planet is a living Hell because we have freewill and we can do much to make our lives good.

But its the controllers that make this life a living Hell like the Banks and there monetary monopoly including life time debt, its there world we live in, its not your world, they own this world given to them by ex rebel prince. They dont give a shit for no one except for themselves and bottom line.

Thank God for Jesus and his escape plan, that's all I can say and judgement will be exactly like the Jesus' anger in the temple when he kicked out the The Temple Central Bank controlling the Shekel
Truly a cruel and callous world who reduced a whole nation into spiritual slavery and bondage!

Exactly what we have today in this manufactured full of lies and deceit living hell.


Truly a cruel and callous world.

They own everything and control everything, essentially we are nothings led day by day by purpose built distraction that lead us from the truth of the matter!

Honestly, no one owns a thing on this planet and if they do it ends up in rubbish tip eventually or somebody gets a temporal ownership and you cant take nothing with you except your virtue and truth.

We are only custodians of temporal things and its how we use these temporal things and for what purpose is looked upon and recorded and the attitude of custodianship will be judged!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 05:31 PM


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Have you ever wondered why Brig just doesn't hire an exorcist? Wouldn't that solve the problem?


ahahahah what a laugh! maybe he is having too much fun.

At the end of the day you just gotta have a laugh! that was a good one.

I told him to call the Ghostbusters

(555) 666 7777

ahahaha
Sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 05:46 PM


This whole Spain/Atlantis theory just runs on thin ice with no actual evidence and is definitely breakable!!

Pure speculation based on what? Very limited research which is not even representative of the Atlantis Gods in truth and with many unanswered normal questions.

Breakable!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 06:35 PM


Oh just prove your theory through some research or data. but I know that is a hard call as no one has really looked into this.

Mind you Im using many references out of books and trying to find the connections throughout books verses to find out what the Hell is Hell.

Yes I believe this world is a definite reality, no doubt but I think we all move into a another reality on a another dimension of existence and yet that reality is linked to our witness in spirit of our lives we live in this reality and marks our direction for the future.

I just want to say that people say many things without the evidence just mere opinions that defines nothing in the proof. Just if there are all wring because of there bias and lack of research going into anything and everything with an open mind. It just becomes BLAH BLAH BLAH without any foundation at all and nothing that can be proven in any manner. Just crap at the end of the day!

Also why should I believe anyone who cant show me the research nor any evidence, it got to be more than mere opinions of no basis.

Like I dont expect people to believe my research but I go to great lengths to bring forth evidence from any place to support the argument, like links, references and opinions in bring the evidence together. That's what I mean!

Essentially, all Ive seen on this thread by others is just opinions with nothing of links or references, nothing that any one can show me to support their thoughts or even to convince me otherwise.

Man might be an expert at his crap but he knows very little about religion and its construct in these times, actually man knows bugger all when it comes to these subjects why I see it everyday with you being the exception because you look into things and willing to share and you think, the rest forget they dont know to much, let alone of the Atlantis Gods and their intentions for our times.

The Atlantis Gods are alive today and they are going kick everyone's ass into activation through truth unto judgment and yet man is fast asleep in his mire of crap, fear and BS! Man has heaps and heaps of BS within himself, the expert of B.S. in your face everyday. The B.S. maker.

Man, the King of BS that is his true level in truth on this planet! The planet of Crap. Here comes King Crap!

Hail King Crap ahahahahahahahaha

having a laugh, Man is such a Bullshit artist so he can become King Crap of all! Man the great Liar, King Crap.

King of the crap heap! Man, his great estate that he strives for Crap and lies.

ahahahahah

Sevens

 


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 07:15 PM


Yes and personal reality of the soul and spirit is definitely a reality which is connected to Universal reality of eternal truth in the eternal reality far removed from this reality that man seems to venture upon in his untruth.

Look at the witness and the results of our planet.

Its appalling! Our reality of what we created on this planet is crap, its all Bullshit, its not even truthful.

sevens



 

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BTW, it is also much, much EASIER to talk about "survival" from a digital point of view, since it becomes pretty much an issue of saving data (code)...


Yes I can see what you mean and understand where your coming from now. I suppose that a way to explain it.

All the same characteristics of good code as opposed to junk code which is eventually modified or just simply deleted like crappy people.

Not a problem

 

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I think that you mean COMMON REALITY but the fact is that not all of us exist under that "reality" (best example is that untouched tribe in the Amazon). I, for example, disconnected from it a few years ago...


I agree and understand. Hey what about that tribe in the Amazon, incredible that these people had no contact with man the exploiter. so I wonder without all the Western man crap what they believe, I wonder of they have an idea of Heaven and Hell or even what there views are.

They had the right idea shooting arrows at western thinking man, who wants western man around to destroy their culture as he has with every culture on the planet that was indigenous, filling indigenous people with his crap and his crappy money hungry culture.

There better off on there own with no contact with man the destroyer, where man suffers these people with his wonders and culture destroying attitude, in the hope of the exploitation of there lands and other rubbish motives not to mention all that Nodite emperor styled worshipping crap we see in every society.

In days of old a leader of a tribe would of been invited to the Dalamatia City to learn some things and the leader or teacher of the tribe would go back to his people to teach. The difference with things today we go there and destroy the people and obliterate everything and religion is most responsible for that in there quest for world religious domination.

We certainly know a few examples of that from our destruction past which still continues today.


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 08:26 PM


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Its appalling!


You know the state of the planet peoples desperate attitude because of enticement of long term debt through materialism, ego, power and lust knowing its entrapment set by the banks and the controllers. Playing on the weakness of man.

You know all the crap. Its just doesn't seem to end. At the end of the day its all last rebel crap and his manifesto which man gets suck into, in the most subtle ways filled with sophistries and deception where at the end of the day man strives for unreality in relation to the greater universe and is completely inconsistent to the the truth.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 08:58 PM


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But "common reality" does indeed end since ALL PRIOR CIVILIZATIONS FAILED (and there is plenty of evidence of that fact, so it is not an opinion either!), THEREFORE, SO WILL THIS PRESENT CIVILIZATION...ALSO FAIL...


That's true but then civilisation when overpowered by the stronger actually only transmuted society where even the stronger was influenced by the weaker in culture and in religion.

There is many cases of that.

Anyway it good to speak with you wireless and reading your views, even if we have different ideas least we can speak and analyze with the view of finding the truth of the matter.

You got alot more going than all the others around here who can only produce the one liners and nothing else and who put nothing on the table that provokes thought.

sevens

 


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 09:07 PM


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So, of course, new societies then re-emerge as these small groups that survived grow in numbers and as the natural reality conditions become more "normal"...like after the periodic age/era catastrophes...
 


That makes sense to me.

But I feel there is a greater reality in the spiritual of the individual and which can involve a society to in real truth.

Every culture has been affected by another all throughout history.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 09:12 PM


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Well that's simply because I am like a guide or a pilot in stormy weather, during significant time/space transitions...


No worries about that, I agree.

I think we are doing the same thing but from different prospectives.

Which I am learning to and open to good knowledge and connections with parallels.

Simply bringing out the truth of the matter, that's all! and to see if we can demonstrate it in our reality following our personal truth.

All very honest and sincere.

all the best

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 09:21 PM


Hey wireless

Cool man

I just praise the great code maker of all binary with all its complex over layering.

It just stupendous how the great code has brought us into being and with self consciousness including free will of choice.

Unbelievable the great code of the great Writer and developer.

Glory to the Code maker of the universe!  I think it just beautiful!

Code is just like art and truth within in itself!

I wish I could write code a bit better though.

ahahahahaha

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 10:58 PM


Here is some realistic normal information about Gades from the Wikipedia.

 

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Cádiz is a city and port in southwestern Spain. It is the capital of the province of the same name, a province which is one of eight comprising the autonomous community of Andalusia.

Cádiz, the oldest continuously-inhabited city in western Europe, has been a principal home port of the Spanish Navy since the accession of the Spanish Bourbons in the 18th century. It is also the site of the University of Cádiz.

Its peculiar location at the end of a narrow isthmus protruding into the Bay of Cádiz lends added charm to this ancient city. In actuality, Cádiz is on an island which is separated from the mainland by a larger island, the Isla de Léon; thus, to reach the mainland from Cádiz, it is necessary to cross a narrow channel to the low-lying Isla de Léon, before crossing another narrow channel to the mainland. This geographical circumstance has played, time and again, a significant part in the city's history, commerce, and culture. Isolated behind its high thick medieval walls on its improbable site in the middle of the bay, Cádiz, on approach from the sea, presents a dramatic and aesthetically appealing view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1diz

Native name Cádiz (Spanish)
Spanish name Cádiz
Nickname Tacita de Plata
Founded 1104 BCE
(Far to early for Atlantis)


and here is a little history of Gades

 

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The city was originally founded as Gadir (Phoenician גדר "walled city") by the Phoenicians, who used it in their trade with Tartessos, a city-state believed by archćologists to be somewhere near the mouth of the Guadalquivir River, about thirty kilometres northwest of Cádiz. (Its exact location has never been firmly established.)


Phoenician sarcophagus found in Cadiz, now in the Archaeological Museum of Cádiz. The sarcophagus is thought to have been designed and paid for by a Phoenician merchant and made in GreeceCádiz is the most ancient city still standing in western Europe[1]. Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BCE[2] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the ninth century. One resolution for this discrepancy has been to assume that Gadir was merely a small seasonal trading post in its earliest days.
 


And to even think that Tartessos, is Atlantis is just another bunch of garbage to.

the whole thing of Gades and Tartessos, is just another bunch baloney where these city are relatively young. and have nothing to do wit Atlantis Nothing to do with the lands of the Gods.

Nothing in the legend or in history that points to Atlantis being the first place of the Gods and of man according the myth.

Its just a theory that makes no sense at all

and

although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the ninth century.

How can anyone say this is Atlantis, people must be stupid and brainless to believe this when considering the above.

So I suppose Wikipedia is wrong to EH!

I mean you have cities like Jiroft near the heads of the Persian Gulf that go back 11,000 years with writing script and beautifully designed cups and next to Jiroft you have another city that was destroyed 150,000 years ago and you can see the remnants already with NASA worldwind which fit the description perfectly.

You read, you see. The simple presentation of the Universal Government for the simple normal man on the street!.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 11:10 PM


Honestly the evidence is before you and because of your pride or bias you are completely in a world of your own without any relation to reality with nothing that is convincing.

The blind lead the blind to a completely breakable theory! or dream

dream on!

See what show me! What more Crap mankind has to digest! Dont you think mankind has enough of the Bullshit! Like we see with all inconclusive documentaries of TV, just filling in more broadcasting space with repetitive Garbage not to mention all the self vain glorious music in the background and the constant repeating with little substance that would learn at school.

Cadiz and Tartessos are just another Phoenician outpost of trade and commerce. You know exploit and get rich quick.

Just another man made business operation and who associated themselves with the Gods as most civilizations did in those days, myth transference in that my God is better than your God business like we see today.

That's all it is! just a business outpost.

Even this image is more ridiculous, the more I look at it, like trying to fit a circle in a square and it could be anything.




sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-11-2008 11:48 PM


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the important thing is that the place was already inhabited for thousands of years before the Phoenicians, and they in reality established a colony in the same place where indigenous peoples, from Tartessian origin, lived.


Yes but where is the evidence of man before any archaeological evidence can be found. Where is it?

Like ditches, manmade remnants displaying an advanced city, Cadiz only goes back to 9OOBC according to hard evidence unless they where walking around like a caveman in underpants but even then you would find evidence of prehistoric underpants going back further. Like in Jiroft as an example 11,000 years.

 

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Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BCE[2] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the ninth century.


Georgeous would have to have confirmed evidence by scientist to demonstrate that Gades go back further than 900BC

I dont believe he can demonstrate that, in the hard evidence.

Antiquity! what going back 900BC or around that time. Bit early! for the first place of civilisation where the Gods lived.

That time is not even ancient.

Sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 12:02 AM


Dream on, its all flawed and breakable based on a traveling Myth and culture, there is no evidence that points to the first place of the Gods in Gades.

You cant even answer simple questions based on scientific research already established. The more you ignore and run from answering simple questions the worst it gets because you have no answer and therefore your theory is becoming chaff to the wind and everything has to be tested if its the truth. That's what its all about isn't it??? The truth and no Bull.

That's what Atlantis is about, the truth! The truth of the Gods and there truth.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 12:36 AM


That's a spin out

Maybe the entrapped soul needs attention maybe you should talk to it in a normal way and help it with words of comfort.

It could be frustrated and quite lonely.

Might need some tender loving care for being entrapped in the spiritual dimension maybe you should show it the way to Jesus maybe! to follow the light if possible. But it may remain there until the Ancient of Days come for judgment which maybe soon.

Otherwise the entity is not getting enough of these posts and is trying to tell you something.

Just a guess ahahahah

Anyway, it sounds wild what's happening in your place and tends toward a poltergeist experience. Its seems that all these things happen in an innocent way but as time progresses it gets worse. Like with the Ouija boards experiences people have.

Maybe Tom is right that you should have entity exercised from your house and told to move on.

I dont know, it seems to be getting a little serious in that home sweet home of yours. Maybe the entity could not let go of things material and that's why its hanging around bothering you.

Tell it leave the house and go to Jesus the light for rest.

Maybe, it was offensive to place that pitcher there? for some reason.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 12:47 AM


Maybe you should consider getting some so called expert on that level in to determine what it is and how it can be helped to move on and to let go of the material things it once had and still cherishes.

Failing that, go to an experienced pastor with depth of truth and knowledge leaving all the rhetoric behind and see if he can help.

If it continues it may get worse. I think smashing things is quite unacceptable and maybe you should ask for the help of an arch angel in prayer to help find a solution to this mischievous entity.

Is it trying to tell you something brother.

You know maybe it needs a little compassion and understanding and maybe you should find out more of the history of the house and find out who died there in the past that might determine the entity and try and find out the personality of the person if possible from the entities family that might be still alive.

Finding out all the background information of the entity might give you a good base to help the entity move on in the spiritual world.

The entity sounds like its trapped in attitude and cant move from his former house. Entrapped for his love of the material such like his former house he loves and couldn't let go.

Perhaps through the action and leading of the Holy Spirit with a number of angels maybe you may be able to counsel the entity and set if free by moving to the light of Jesus which in truth would set the entity free on his universal adventure.

Maybe the entity needs to build faith and courage to move on into the great unknown of the spiritual universe.

Anyway, go by your gut feelings that is the truth.

One thing for sure, the entity is not in restful slumber and is probably not at peace because of his current circumstance. The personality just died there and never moved on but is conscious of his circumstance and is wanting to find the way out to the light and just gets pissed off sometimes, he probably needs positive help.

Its a real in between worlds kind of thing and the entity needs guidance.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 01:26 AM


It is isn't it, where the Gods lost there first estate and degraded man along the way and where the Gods after which ruled like a pack of arseholes and ruined the planet which still perpetuates today, that's what essentially Plato referees to. Has all the hallmark of the fall of the Sons of God in the first planetary default in the first city which was built by the Gods. Even though the story is representative of the fall of Dalamatia City which by proxy was represented in Dilmun where the first Egyptians came from 12,000 years ago

Dilmun submerged of the North Eastern Persian Gulf.

By the way the very early Greeks where the Javan who migrated to Crete 12,000 years ago and who originally came North Eastern Iran and who are the Sons of the eldest son son of Adam.

The Greeks are the Sons of the Gods and there association with the Gods in metaphor and refection is all there in the mythology.

Also Dilmun submerged of the coast of Iran as you can see, fits all the physical descriptions of Atlantis and you can see it NOW!

right!! Mr Georgeos ahahahaha

The GF gene came from Atlantis! Dilmun/Babel that's where the 1st and 2nd Babel was built. The early Egyptians called Dilmun, Dilmat, which is where the word Maat came from. Dilmun! the legends of Dilmun seen in Sumerian text was taken from Dalamatia City originally but perpetuated through Dilmun and then transferred to the Egyptians.

That's the story and I can demonstrate that now using all the books and I can demonstrate that in the images and by going out there to verify.

And I know its unbreakable! already in this early time. and I know the Nodite system of today fears this as this to close to the truth but I dont give a damn because truth is truth! and we are answerable to truth and man hates BS unless there is something in it for him. Eh! that's the story isn't it.

We live today in the tower of Babel BS rubbish where man is totally led astray from the truth of everything!

Like in the days of Atlantis! The truth of everything is already in peoples face and they run to the hills like the spiritual cowards they are. The Atlantis propensity running away from the truth, the Nodite propensity that rules this planet today! thanks to fallen estate of the Gods and their sinful attitude. Like Atlantis in the past, this Atlantis today is in for a great reckoning!

There is much more to Atlantis than you could possibly imagine and the Father of all things will demonstrate what Atlantis truly was in the past and what it is today and what will happen to the Atlantis off today!

The Atlantis of the past and its story is exactly what will happen to the Atlantis of today. So for those who are blood thirsty for money and power and who exploit over the demise of man for financial gain.

Just forget it for the times of reckoning are virtually upon us and you will miss the ark completely and utterly and that is the prophecy of Atlantis of today and seen in the demonstration of the past and this forecast will be upheld by the Father of all things and of all truth!

Reckoning! until its dust and chaff in the wind.

This is how the reckoning of Atlantis will take place, it will just pop up out of nowhere when man feels confident and full of the crap in how he devastated his brother for financial gain by proxy of the money/power mechanism we have today and being haughty and bloodthirsty in his so called unspiritual victory over his fellow man. What hypocrisy! what untruth is that!

Like a coward eh! hiding behind a mechanism that robs and destroys his brother. The great mankind eh! What an arsehole he is today! The sub prime debacle is the perfect example and those who exploit the circumstance for pure gain with nothing survivable in there heart.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 03:16 AM


Looking in to Hell.

quote:


The Destroyer – Revelation 9:11
The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them . The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon [destroyer], and in Greek, Apollyon [destroyer] (Revelation 9:1-11).

http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/the_destroyer.htm
 


The abyss or is this Hell coming from the abyss or from the earth opened in the end times? Like nut on the fire.

and this

 

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Since you trust in your deeds and riches, you too will be taken captive, and Chemosh will go into exile, together with his priests and officials. The destroyer will come against every town, and not a town will escape. The valley will be ruined and the plateau destroyed, because the LORD has spoken. Put salt on Moab, for she will be laid waste; her towns will become desolate, with no one to live in them. "A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! (Jeremiah 48:7-10)


All of the above applies for these times in this day.

and this which I believe relates to the safe passage through the abyss and completely related to Jesus

 

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Let the Moabite fugitives stay with you; be their shelter from the destroyer." The oppressor will come to an end, and destruction will cease; the aggressor will vanish from the land.

In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it-- one from the house of David-- one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness (Isaiah 16:4-5).


I above paragraph relates to the last messenger of whom brings the great message of safety through his Targum and related to Jesus.

There is more at this link just remember that Babylon is the current planetary money monopoly system and other related systems and mechanisms of control and power.

http://www.lastdaysmystery.info/the_destroyer.htm

and this

 

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"The sound of a cry comes from Babylon, the sound of great destruction from the land of the Babylonians. The LORD will destroy Babylon; he will silence her noisy din. Waves of enemies will rage like great waters; the roar of their voices will resound. A destroyer will come against Babylon; her warriors will be captured, and their bows will be broken.

For the LORD is a God of retribution; he will repay in full. I will make her officials and wise men drunk, her governors, officers and warriors as well; they will sleep forever and not awake," declares the King, whose name is the LORD Almighty. This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Babylon's thick wall will be leveled and her high gates set on fire; the peoples exhaust themselves for nothing, the nations' labor is only fuel for the flames" (Jeremiah 51:54-58).


Babylon is the system due for a great reckoning because the Father is just not happy with anything on this planet except for the work of the elect and Jesus including related personalities of the Universal Government of Paradise.

But as far as mankind is concerned forget it, he is to far gone to recognize any truth and spurns it.

sevens


Post Re: The destruction still to come Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:28 am

Here is a word search unicorn in the bible

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=unicorn&ver=kjv

seems interesting

sevens


Post Re: The Two Witnesses Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:58 am

I was interested in Chittim and it seems to relate to Chittim

Chittim—Cyprus, of which the cities, including Citium in the south (whence came "Chittim"), were mostly Phśnician (Eze 27:6). The ships from Tarshish on their way to Tyre learn the tidings ("it is revealed to them") of the downfall of Tyre. At a later period Chittim denoted the islands and coasts of the Mediterranean (Da 11:30).

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/jamieson/jfb.x.xxiii.xxiv.html

and

Zidon—of which Tyre was a colony, planted when Zidon was conquered by the Philistines of Ascalon. Zidon means a "fishing station"; this was its beginning.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 06:06 AM


I noticed this

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daughter of Tarshish—Tyre and its inhabitants (Isa 1:8), about henceforth, owing to the ruin of Tyre, to become inhabitants of its colony, Tartessus: they would pour forth from Tyre, as waters flow on when the barriers are removed [Lowth]. Rather, Tarshish, or Tartessus and its inhabitants, as the phrase usually means: they had been kept in hard bondage, working in silver and lead mines near Tarshish, by the parent city (Eze 26:17): but now "the bond of restraint" (for so "strength," Margin, "girdle," that is, bond, Ps 2:3, ought to be translated) is removed, since Tyre is no more.


Is this the same Tartessos that Docybut is all excited about, even the bible proves that its not Atlantis and nothing to do with the Atlantis gods just another mining/trading city of Phoenicia.

What so Atlantis about that, there is no mystery there.

Here is a word search on Tarshish or Tartessus or Tartessos no Atlantis there and is associated with the Javan (Greece) and Chittim (Cyprus) all trading cities of the Med.

What are you on about Docybut considering all the worthless argument when its clearly in the bible as a normal trading city that had a heap of prophecy against it.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Tarshish&ver=kjv

A worthless Atlantis argument wasting everyone's time. What a crappy book that will be, not one ounce of truth that relates to Atlantis.

Sevens
 


Post Re: The Two Witnesses Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:58 am

I was interested in Chittim and it seems to relate to Chittim

 

Quote:

Chittim—Cyprus, of which the cities, including Citium in the south (whence came "Chittim"), were mostly Phśnician (Eze 27:6). The ships from Tarshish on their way to Tyre learn the tidings ("it is revealed to them") of the downfall of Tyre. At a later period Chittim denoted the islands and coasts of the Mediterranean (Da 11:30).



http://www.ccel.org/ccel/jamieson/jfb.x.xxiii.xxiv.html

and

 

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Zidon—of which Tyre was a colony, planted when Zidon was conquered by the Philistines of Ascalon. Zidon means a "fishing station"; this was its beginning.


Since 1stEden is directly related to the island of Cyprus where the tree of life was kept being the home of Adam and Eve before the default. I wonder if there are any clues that is related to Chittim or Cyprus in this time and that reflects in the current journey?

Here are links to Chittim/Cyprus in the Bible that may contain some clues indirectly related to 1stEden in prophecy and may give us consistency to the end times and what to expect and compared to the journey to the ancient places to see if there is commonality.

Some links

The Oracle concerning Tyre
Isaiah 23
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 23&ver=kjv

Numbers 24
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 24&ver=kjv


The LORD Pleads with Backsliding Israel
Jeremiah 2
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... +2&ver=kjv

I thought this was a strong clue. What is the thing in Chittim or of the coast of Chittim/Cyprus/1stEden.

 

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9 Wherefore I will yet plead with you, saith the Lord, and with your children's children will I plead. 10 For pass over the isles of Chittim, and see; and send unto Kedar, and consider diligently, and see if there be such a thing. 11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit. 12 Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the Lord. 13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.



Read the rest its a real warning to us all for this day!

1stEden is the Living waters in the truth of the past and in today climate all religion has rejected the location of 1st Eden and the truth brought about by the Urantia Book written by Paradise. In other words all mankind more or less rejected the work of the Father through his Universal Paradise Government. That's the result of over religion and being stiffnecked in the bias and prejudice.

moving on

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Ezekiel 27:6 (Read all of Ezekiel 27)
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=chittim&ver=kjv

Of the oaks of Bashan have they made thine oars; the company of the Ashurites have made thy benches of ivory, brought out of the isles of Chittim.



It has been proven that Cyprus did have elephants that past over the land bridge that connected the peninsula of 1stEden to the mainland connected by a 28 mile land bridge and which has been proven from information brought about by the new book of revealment.

I thought this part was interesting and has all the hallmarks of the end times

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26 Thy rowers have brought thee into great waters: the east wind hath broken thee in the midst [11] of the seas. 27 Thy riches, and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy calkers, and the occupiers of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all thy company which is in the midst of thee, shall fall into the midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin. 28 The suburbs [12] shall shake at the sound of the cry of thy pilots. 29 And all that handle the oar, the mariners, and all the pilots of the sea, shall come down from their ships, they shall stand upon the land; 30 And shall cause their voice to be heard against thee, and shall cry bitterly, and shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the ashes: 31 And they shall make themselves utterly bald for thee, and gird them with sackcloth, and they shall weep for thee with bitterness of heart and bitter wailing. 32 And in their wailing they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and lament over thee, saying, What city is like Tyrus, like the destroyed in the midst of the sea? 33 When thy wares went forth out of the seas, thou filledst many people; thou didst enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise.

34 In the time when thou shalt be broken by the seas in the depths of the waters thy merchandise and all thy company in the midst of thee shall fall. 35 All the inhabitants of the isles shall be astonished at thee, and their kings shall be sore afraid , they shall be troubled in their countenance. 36 The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee; thou shalt be a terror, [13] and never shalt be any more.


What comes from the Midst of the sea that causes much destruction.

Anyway that was interesting search.

I know the below is interpreted in what will happen in Jerusalem but this description is also consistent with 1stEden of Cyprus and the great river that ran out of the peninsula of 1stEden which the great river from 1stEden ran into the Euphrates river and then into the Persian Gulf and may connect to the submerged city of the first place of the Sons of God. The waters of the Acropolis Hill of 1stEden also ran into the great River and is also a sanctuary of the Father in those ancient times.

Quote:

Eneglaim (King James Version)
Ezekiel 47:10 (Read all of Ezekiel 47)

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers [3] shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. 10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many. 11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt. 12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow [4] all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary : and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.


Interesting!



sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-12-2008 05:05 PM


I know bro, tell me about it, its pretty full on and is very consistent with the Kolbrin bible regarding the destroyer.

Im not sure if you saw this video but I think its totally relevant to the destroyer and the time that we are in.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

Every time I see this video I well up man, very full on and such a terrible to happen to mankind but unfortunately no one is listening and spurns this.

The Rev 9:11 is just full on and is speaking of the same thing.

No worries but if we see this we will be OK because there is evac plan for the faith sons.

Mind you the system have their plan but that is completely exclusive and doesn't include the majority, The majority will be on their own.

The only chance I have is through my faith, Im to poor (spiritually rich but bloody poor) to prepare for the Destroyer so my faith is completely in the Jesus evac plan.

That's the only plan that I can have faith in.  That's the only plan that I can have faith in. The Government? forget it they will only look after themselves. I would put no faith in the government upon the realisation of the Destroyer.

Im doing the work that the Christian body should be doing but their slack and unbelieving, believe it or not, I even wrote to the head of the Catholic church in Sinim even though they responded, they have not quickened yet and it will be to late when they realize that this research is true. I believe they have over sighted this and have underestimated this. The rest of the body forget, I wrote to them to and never received a response.

Mind you when the destroyer is realized there will be so much regret from those who spurned and ignored in the first instance, in the beforehand!

The only thing I can do is post up my thoughts and findings, the rest is up to each individual in their hearts of hearts.

It just a hopeless situation where I am totally reliant on Paradise for support! as I get no support from mankind.  So all I can do is post the truth as I find and that's all I can do.  Each day is 12 -18 hrs a day working this construct as I come across truth.  It valiant attempt against all odds to get the truth out there and that's where I rely on the angels, my Father fragment from within and through the action of the Holy spirit and I know Jesus and the Father of all things (The Code Maker) is involved personally.

I believe the Father has written a new code and construct and is getting rid of the virus infest code we currently have. The existing code is due for deletion he is not going to fix this code for he has a new code that he is going to upload to this Urantia planetary server and from this server will go out a new code that will affect all the other junk code affecting other planets who had the same demise as us with this junk code that was embedded into our Genes through the fallen Sons of God after the destruction of Dalamatia City.

It is true that there will be a few in the last stand, the undaunted and stouthearted will NOT go down to destruction and that's we are at this time in the Last and Final stand of mankind of the faith sons and the path is narrow and only a few will find the path of safety in the final and last stand.

This is truly the battle of the Faith Sons against all odds. The battle of faith sons through the tribulation.

And where is mankind? in this last stand, no where to be seen all run to the hills, only the few will be successful in the last stand of the faith Sons. We are the faith sons and who will come back with the new code for the regeneration of the Planet with the Paradise Universal Government as the head of this planet.

Like in the movies brother Wireless but this is real and virtual and we are in the Last stand in front of the great battle of mankind.

It is truly the Battles of all Battles, the great Mother of all Battles where the faith Sons will be successful in the last stand!  We will be utterly successful!

Sevens



« Reply #6 on: Today at 08:16:14 pm »

Hi Veronica

Thanks for the reply.

Yes I found it interesting that many of the individuals in the video have much commonalities in the experience.

To me its seems like a mystery within itself but many people from diverse backgrounds seem to have much things in common in the NDE but is varied dependent on the individual.  Mind you some people never had any belief in the beforehand and yet in the NDE where faced with a common theme in direction dependent on a decision, in some cases.

Its all very interesting and Im still looking into it, Im not sure whether a place like that exist but many books from diverse cultures speak about a place like this and there is some prophecy that seem consistent with the first post relating to the video.

The Urantia doesn't confirm nor deny such a place.

Later on III post up some things I found regarding the abyss which appears to have resemblance.  Im still looking into it.

Veronica and thanks for the reply.  I think this is worthy enquiry.

All the best in truth, beauty and goodness and off course peace and love
Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-13-2008 07:37 AM


I dont know Im still looking into it.

This might seems strange that nothing is ever lost. All thoughts must have physical energy perhaps called photons, or thought photons perhaps like light photons in a frequency that you cant see.

Since energy transmutes from on state to another and is never really lost in truth perhaps the bad thought photons are keep somewhere until dissolution of the energy at judgment of the Ancient Days.

Its just a thought amongst many on this subject.

However, all the books speak of it quite clearly at differing times, maybe it was just a perception that evolved in our evolution of religion?

Quite possible but then I would underestimate either. Maybe those audio was a fake. I just dont know.

Its really hard to say. Well I know is that Jesus is the way in my view, going by the NDE people and consider some of them did have a negative experiences where a decision was to be made and in some cases the person felt separated and was still conscious.

Mind or another dimension which is more real than this, like an eternal dimension for a short period of time. Maybe in the 4 minute period when the brain is still active in some parts.

Where man is faced with his real truth of himself!

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:25 pm

I just saw this parallel verse and I believe its a huge signal to this research and journey to the ancient places, the Rock being the ancient cities where I propose an expedition. An expedition to Dalamatia City to verify the city and lift up a stone slab of the Seven commands.

Isaiah 42:3   (Read all of Isaiah 42)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

 

saiah 42:3   (Read all of Isaiah 42)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

 

Quote:

The LORD's Servant
42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth . 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

Image

there is more
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 42&ver=kjv

Look what Kedar means and consider the location of Dalamatia City, in the Persian Gulf

 

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Kedar
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Kedar is a name that appears in both Judaism and Hinduism.


[edit] In Judaism
Kedar, the second son of Ishmael
Kedar was also an Arabian tribe of nomadic herdsman that traded with Israel in the time of the Monarchy (e.g. David, Solomon etc.).[1]
Kedar (town) - settlement east of Jerusalem near Maale Adumim


[edit] In Hinduism
Kedar means invincible or powerful.
Kedar can also be an entity that has such a powerful presence that it brings about calm and peacefulness.
Shiva, (a Hindu God) is also known as Kedarnath meaning (Powerful Lord - Nath meaning Lord and Kedar meaning Powerful) god who is worshipped at the Kedarnath Temple in the north of India. Kedar nath temple is located in the foot of Himalayas. One can go to Rishikesh (a holy city) to reach Kedarnath temple from there.


I find that fascinating and a major confirmation to the location to points to Dalamatia City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedar

continuing

13 The Lord shall go forth
as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known : I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

and then you have continuation of the same chapter ans sums up this joutnry to the ancient places in paths not known and setting the crooked path straight. Just perfect

Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about , yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.


Is this above reference to Wormwood or the The destroyer out of the Kolbrin Bible and its arrival??
 



and this parallel verse.

Matthew 12:20   (Read all of Matthew 12)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

Mentioned twice in the bible, must be significant.

an interesting fragment

 

Quote:

An Evil Generation Seeks a Sign

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. 42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

and this one

Jesus' Mother and Brethren
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.



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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:45 pm

Thanks ArchMichael.

I think its just beautiful and thanks for your post.

I think those verses you contributed where just beautiful and the chapter compliments this reality in the journey. I really thank you for your contribution.

The journey is all reflected in the Odes of Solomon and the Mystery of Solomon in St Ehpriam 7 pearls is a reflection of a very personal and significant part of this journey and key is Sheba and the bright spark and the illumination of 1stEden and the crown.

Thanks for the verses

 

Quote:

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=John+15&ver=kjv
Jesus the True Vine

15I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

The World's Hatred
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke [1] for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

 



I think its just beautiful and reflects this time in this day

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:04 am

 

Here is a word Abbas that has connection in the journey of the ancient places.
http://dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues17.htm#Abbes

Just remember this whole thing was foreseen in Chicago itself before the advent of the The UB which came out of Chicago itself in 1934. Its was seen by an Abbas contained in the name and there is another Abbes underlying this journey to the ancient places but its not my surname as that has metaphor to the holy grail myth in the Richard 1st the Younger lineage, the lion heart whose Father was Henri the Younger through which of that legend came through in connection and in metaphor. If you combine all names it represents a unity and commonality of legend and culture and has connection to the Jamshids Cup and its relationship to the elixir of immortality which connects to the tree of life of which was kept in North Eastern Iran Area which points to the Van headquarters. It seem like connection that connects the cultures of many worlds and and does have uncanny connection in royalty from the past in connection to this mystery. Actually in one half of the connection to lineage in this journey of origins actually comes from the area of the Navarro, Aquitaine area where the actual Holy grail myth came from through the Kings of those areas in/near the Pyrenees. And its all in the name, linage, metaphor and in has multiple meanings in any combination. The younger = The Javan = Van = Van headquarters, the jong = the Younger, its like in Chinese Tao culture you have the Dao de Jing and today we have the Dao de Jong Dao de Jong (the younger) like the Ying and the Yang, the book and the journey, all compassed in the journey to the ancient places and what did the Father say about I have surnamed thee!

Van headquarters
http://dalamatiacity.com/Adamsons/

Google Earth
http://dalamatiacity.com/Adamsons/adamsons_civilisation.kmz



This path is also a path of perhaps self realisation in the journey and has connection in linage through name with great metaphor. That's how perhaps the last messenger realizes himself through the journey that has connections from every aspect forming a personal oneness.

Just following the threads with contemplation on the run on the fly which is part of the Targum from the sea, from the cities.

Remember Im just going faith living it each day in the journey, I dont know what I find or realize each day, its a journey of everyday discovery and realisation in the path of the tree of life.

From what I see in the recent scriptures we are all mightily successfull doing the will of the Father and we attain righteousness even in light of our weakness. Thank the lord for that and this outpost, small out post of truth from the heart, soul and spirit walking with the Father of the Kingdom of Heaven. Thank the Lord! Praise the Father.

And even if the time of the destroyer comes we all will be safe from destruction because we were undaunted and stout of heart and we never went into destruction because the Father had his personal hand over us. Oh Praise the Lord of his Love for his children.

One Abbas
makes a proclamation of an event in the beforehand which lead to the UB and another Abbes makes another new proclamation in a journey in the beforehand timeline discovery of the cities and now we see in the future relating to an interpretation of the scriptures to the former things on the run where the victory is made.

This also has connections into Islam to! which I have made a connection to with this journey with an interpretation of the Ubar legend in relation of today seen as seen in type pointing to the events of today.

See what happens eh!

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:59 am

Pistis Spohia

 

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Of the twelve saviors and their regions in the Inheritance. at the time of the consummation [and] of the ascension of the universe.' The twelve saviors of the Treasury and the twelve orders of every one of them, which are the emanations of the seven Voices and of the five Trees, they will be with me in the region of the inheritances of the Light; being kings with me in my kingdom, and every one of them being king over his emanations, and moreover every one of them being king according to his glory, the great according to his greatness and the little according to his littleness.


 

Quote:

Twelve Saviors = Twelve Melchizedeks
Twelve Orders = Orders of the Melchizedeks

Seven Voice = Seven Master Spirits or the Seven thundering voices
5 trees = 5 ancient and submerged cities
Emanation = emanations of truth coming from the cities in the journey.
Inheritance = The Inheritance of the Ages, Cities and the light, the truth of everything.
Regions = locations
Kingdom = Kingdom of Heaven on earth



and this regarding the last mystery the Sevenfold mystery.

 

Quote:

Now, therefore, my Lord, how doth the First Mystery possess twelve mysteries, [and] the
Ineffable possess a one and only mystery?"

Of the three mysteries and five mysteries. Jesus answered and said unto her:
"Indeed it
possesseth a one and only mystery, yet that mystery constituteth three mysteries, although it is the one and only mystery; but the type of every one of them is different. And
moreover it constituteth five mysteries, although it is a one and only [one]; but the type of
every one is different.

So that these five mysteries are alike with one another in the mystery |237. of the kingdom in the inheritances of the Light; but the type of each of them is different.


And their kingdom is higher and more exalted than the whole kingdom of the twelve mysteries together of the First Mystery; but they are not alike in the kingdom [with the one and only mystery] of the First Mystery in the Light-kingdom
.




Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-13-2008 09:28 PM


Yeah I know ahahahahah oh well that's the way it goes. But its not hopeless at all.

However, there has been great breakthroughs and interesting realizations.

Starting from here right to the end!

http://www.thendtimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=950&p=34213#p34213

Its all in the name.

The Real Paradise storm! ahahahahah Take you to the deepest Blue!

ahahahahah yeah!

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Hi Tisatashar

I enjoyed your post and still thinking about it, I just read it. All I know in my investigation is that the place where Moses went to in Northern Arabia in Al Alwaz Abu Musa
. There appears to be a mountain of evidence their.

I will look into it but since you where looking into parallels verses I just found a parallel verse last night.

sevens

Here is a post from this morning before I found your parallel verse.
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I just saw this parallel verse and I believe its a huge signal to this research and journey to the ancient places, the Rock being the ancient cities where I propose an expedition. An expedition to Dalamatia City to verify the city and lift up a stone slab of the Seven commands.

Isaiah 42:3 (Read all of Isaiah 42)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

 

Quote:

The LORD's Servant
42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him:
he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth . 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and
give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth,
ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.



there is more
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php...iah+42&ver=kjv

Look what Kedar means and consider the location of Dalamatia City, in the Persian Gulf

Kedar
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Kedar is a name that appears in both Judaism and Hinduism.


[edit] In Judaism
Kedar, the second son of Ishmael
Kedar was also an Arabian tribe of nomadic herdsman that traded with Israel in the time of the Monarchy (e.g. David, Solomon etc.).[1]
Kedar (town) - settlement east of Jerusalem near Maale Adumim


[edit] In Hinduism
Kedar means invincible or powerful.
Kedar can also be an entity that has such a powerful presence that it brings about calm and peacefulness.
Shiva, (a Hindu God) is also known as Kedarnath meaning (Powerful Lord - Nath meaning Lord and
Kedar meaning Powerful) god who is worshipped at the Kedarnath Temple in the north of India. Kedar nath temple is located in the foot of Himalayas. One can go to Rishikesh (a holy city) to reach Kedarnath temple from there.


I find that fascinating

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedar

continuing

13 The Lord shall go forth
as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known : I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.

and then you have continuation of the same chapter and sums up this journey to the ancient places in paths not known and setting the crooked path straight. Just perfect

Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as
my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about , yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.

Is this above reference to Wormwood or the The destroyer out of the Kolbrin Bible and its arrival??

Very powerful video that I just came across but note their that in this journey I know there is an evacuation plan of all the faith Sons of the Universal Government of Paradise of the One God the message from the previous Epochs from the cities are part of that.  That's what Im finding on the run.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

and this parallel verse.

Matthew 12:20 (Read all of Matthew 12)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php...hew+12&ver=kjv

Mentioned twice in the bible, must be significant.

But there is much if you follow the whole chapters.

I think the timing of finding parallel verses is very interesting and beyond coincidence.

But there is much if you follow the whole chapters.

here is a fragment

 

Quote:

An Evil Generation Seeks a Sign

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. 42
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

and this one

Jesus' Mother and Brethren
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and
who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
 


I think the timing of finding parallel verses is very interesting and beyond coincidence.

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Hi Tisatashar

I see what you mean, I have no explanation but obviously things have been omitted in the translation but that doesn't stop the truth unto judgment.

 

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The Lord came from Mount Sinai
and dawned upon us[a] from Mount Seir;
he shone forth from Mount Paran
and came from Meribah-kadesh
with flaming fire at his right hand. (New Living Translation)

And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and
he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (King James Version)

"The LORD came from Sinai
and dawned from Seir upon us;
he shone forth from Mount Paran;
he came from the ten thousands of holy ones,
with flaming fire at his right hand.

(English Standard Version)

I found the above interesting from the fact that it in type and metaphor it can represent the end time construct. Knowledge from on high through the books following the construct to the cities in the focalization, the mountain of God, tree of life, relationship from within with God into the treasury of knowledge, right hand could mean a mouse and a written document in the journey and adventure where 10,000 angels where involved in the last testament of the ark in the end times, lead by the right hand. Fiery right hand words of power and action, the word in the journey was the sword that destroyed untruth. Group collaboration of the last messenger and 10,000 angels working together in discovery and enlightenment from our past and with a book and the books that lead to all the cities of the Most High.  The sword of truth, the word, the truth that can verified utterly in the physical.  The angels before him and after him.

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I proclaim in faith, this to the Kedar, the Sons of Ishmael and all the villages they inhabit.

from a fragment of the above posts

 

Quote:

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

This is for all mankind and especially a message for the Kedar from a lost city in the Persian Gulf, what has been hidden has been revealed through a loving journey and discovery and there is an abbes involved in lineage and check out the anagram of the word. Ibn Abbes has an interesting thought to.

This is the kind of unity the Universal Government of Paradise is interested in. This kind of thing a journey of self realisation in the will of God in
the unity of man of God working together in harmony, peacefully with our brothers as one brother with the one God in the journey.

Quote:

Genesis 21:20 And God was with him: and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became a young man, an archer.

An archer of truth through the words of a discovery made in the wilderness.


Sevens


http://www.rasoulallah.net/subject_en.asp?hit=1&parent_id=442&sub_id=4708

One of the descriptions of this prophet is that he will not be killed; instead, God will spare his soul from being taken by the hands of the foolish. The false prophet will be punished “even that prophet shall die ", meaning to be killed, as killing is part of death, and because everyone will die. The Christians claim that Jesus was killed, so it is not possible that he is the promised prophet. Referring to the old translations of this passage we will find that some alterations took place during the translation, as in what came in the 1844 edition "for this prophet to be killed", and it is not a secret why  this alteration took place.

8)    He talks about the unknown, and the reality matches his words. That type of miracles is described in the Quran and the tradition of Muhammad (PBUH) in uncountable volume. However, I will mention here only one of the prophecies Muhammad (PBUH) made, and it took place exactly as he mentioned.

 

and

http://www.rasoulallah.net/subject_en.asp?hit=1&parent_id=442&sub_id=4715

Malachi called the next prophet Elijah after he reminded them about Moses’ commandment on the mountain of Horeb, the mountain on which Moses (PBUH) mentioned the coming of a prophet like him among the brothers of Children of Israel. The interpreter who wrote "The masterpiece of the generation" says:-

"The messenger Elijah, who was mentioned at the end of Malachi's Book, is a puzzle, and he is the rabbi of the world who will come at the end of time".

 

Maybe it could about this journey speaking of the unknown cities and its connection to Paradise.

http://www.rasoulallah.net/subject_en.asp?hit=1&lang=ar&parent_id=2&sub_id=222

and

The greatest Omen in the New Testament of the final Prophet (Muhammad) is Jesus' omen about the Paraclete. John’s Bible is distinguished by mentioning Jesus' omen of this Prophet, where he says to his followers: If you love me, you will obey what I command, and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you……” “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teachings. The Father will love him, and will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teachings. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you…..” “I have told you now before it happen, so that when it does happen you will believe. I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me-“ John 14, 15-30

 

In the next chapter, Jesus asks his followers to sustain his commandments, and then says: “When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginningJohn 15, 26

 

“All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God….” “Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned. I have much more to say to you, more than you can bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.” John 16, 1-14

If believe the above points to the discoverer of the unknown like the cites.  I think it points to this day regarding the Prophet.

 

Sevens


3. In the Talmud and Targums:
Among Jewish writers the word "Paraclete" came to have a number of meanings. A good deed was called a paraclete or advocate, and a transgression was an accuser. Repentance and good works were called paracletes: "The works of benevolence and mercy done by the people of Israel in this world become agents of peace and intercessors (paracletes) between them and their Father in heaven." The sin offering is a paraclete; the paraclete created by each good deed is called an angel (Jewish Encyclopedia, IX, 514-15, article "Paraclete").

http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/P/PARACLETE/


Icon 1 posted 06-14-2008 03:42 PM


I think there is a high probability of being visited by a highly charged dark space body with its own system of planets. I think it is due to visit us very soon according to prophecy. The Angona system (UB) or Planet X or the destroyer/Wormwood.

There will be one last message in the beforehand with a warning and with an evac plan for all people based on faith in the beforehand, if one does not listen then he will be beyond the point of no return PNR and simply be left behind.

Judgement will be set forth unto the truth. As we move closer to truth we move closer to judgment and judgement has been set.

As we move further in truth we move closer to judgment and survival is all based on faith even halfhearted faith is fine.

When man realizes that the record was the truth and everything comes to pass and still doesn't listen, man will go through the greatest regret upon realisation in that he spurned the last message in the beforehand and missed the ark connected to the ark of the testament.

The Angona System is a space body that does have an orbit around the Sun and it will pop up out of no where.

The world system will be broken and those who are haughty in making the most for the least with greed have to measure themselves in this time now but that wont happen. We all know that.

Get ready mankind because the sign that I have is a sign that no other person has got and never had and the signs are the discovery of the multiple submerged cities from the past with prophecy clearly attached to it contained in all the books.

I dont now the time or hour but we must be so close now. However in the between time I would like to launch an expedition to the Persian Gulf to verify the truth of the real planetary business.

Man should invest in this not just as a money making thing but to verify the truth as this may affect our survival.

Its a survival requirement and all man thinks off is "what's in it for me" Im afraid that will not cut it for this journey. Its all about survival!

Planetary Government and religion (all religion) should go out there at their own expense and verify the truth for mans sake and for the sake of their silly system which are due for destruction. Man should not await an investment possibility Just do it! You got the bloody money!

The US navy should be looking into it since the have all the equipment and are virtually on top of the cities but that depends on the leader of the country and how much truth he has..

Its a life and death prophecy linked to the cities of the past that should be of National security seriously! But Im afraid it doesn't rate and yet this has the highest potential of change with awful consequences. Im sure the government and religion are all fast asleep. Ive written to all the main players.

If the US navy checked and it was verified they should tell the people of the verification and then religion can apply the message and warning.

But is that not going to happen? because of no faith and shallow teachings with pride and prejudice. We are in big trouble MAN and who can do anything about it in the beforehand. Gee whiz!

Typical of man and unbelief. Get of your back side man and go out there since you have all the resources to do this and its all to do with your children and for the future which appears to be a secondary thought by the witness as wealth pride and station seems to be the first priority.

Man you are going to need luck but then does not exist either only God.

Sevens


Post Re: Meteor over Utah Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:53 pm

Meteor over Utah
www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3496031

 

Quote:

Kolbrin
Like seeds that come before the tomb.



The Earth and system is in BIG trouble! and everyone except us are fast asleep! May be the Govt knows but they will save themselves only.

The Jesus evac plan is the only plan available to all man. But it through faith, simple faith of a child.

Jesus is truly our Saviour and the best friend the planet and man ever had!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-14-2008 04:18 PM


Man Ive been writing about for ages why all these questions when its most obvious what and why Im saying all this.

He has to verify the truth of these cities as it, I believe represents a Omen of change and man has to be prepared in the best way in his heart and faith condition and its in the books.

Im not going answer the rest of the questions as Im just repeating myself and going over and over the same thing and if you cant quicken to what I saying then these posts are a waste of time for you. Its not a time to get caught up in technicality and due process anymore its just a flat out warning with a bit of a plan to help man and it might bring a little adventure to mans small crappy about me mediocre life. This is designed to make man a little smarter and more aware in truth unto judgment.

Anyway, its up to man I just saying what Im saying if man chooses to ignore and the rest of it that's OK, its up to him to make his own choices based on the research and what he reads. At the end of the day it comes down to the individual and the decision he makes for himself and his family for the future.

It eventually comes down to: Your either in or your out in your decision and there is no in between or compromises. None at all!

Its a flat out Black and White decision.

Anyway wireless, your the smartest guy here, everyone else is in a dreamland and cant prove a single thing for all their crap.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-14-2008 04:56 PM

I just dont want go in a infinite circle

True nothing is a waste of time, I stand to be corrected.

Your'e right man has to fall before he can become great in the true spiritual sense. Same goes for civilisation.

We must be so dumb that man has to go through this repetitive process however it appears that over time through repetition his civilisation does advance but does it advance in spirit. I think so but man needs correction along the way, its just like a Father/Son relationship I suppose in essence over the timeline.

The rise and fall of man and civilisation. How about in the future we have man and his Rise Rise Rise for man.

Man today is not getting the spiritual guidance he needs to be utterly successful within himself. That's why we need the code maker with a new code to upload for the future. So we don't go through this crappy rise and fall of nations guided by shithouse leadership! not to mention all the millions that die in horror along the way, just a sign of crappy leadership and poor religious teachings and very bad interpretations that lead man astray in thoughts of self grandeur, the big man crap of crap.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-14-2008 04:56 PM
Its like this man runs this glassware shop, all nice and beautiful but rotten to the core in management, you know the owners getting ripped, inventory stolen, customers and the owners being ripped off except for dishonest friends, that kind of thing. The owner gets sick of it where God enters the shop unexpectedly and just smash everything and throws out the current management. Like a drunkard, God just destroys all the glassware, smashes it to bits, cleans up the mess and get his own better glassware in the shop with all new management that he can trust!

That's what's its going to be like for this planet!

What God is doing in this time is finding and putting together the furture management team for his shop or planet.

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Icon 1 posted 06-14-2008 10:30 PM


I agree with all the above, no worries

true

About Hell, Im still working out whether it exists or not. It could be the effect of religious evolution from the Good/Evil concept which is an evolutionary effect of religion.

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-15-2008 02:54 AM


Hi

I appreciate and agree that Atlantis come from Dilmun But I disagree its in Indonesia.

 

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So now it should be established beyond doubt, that there was a global flood at the end of last ice-age. The ice-age came to an end with the explosion of Krakatoa and other volcanoes around the world. These explosions triggered huge tidal waves called Tsunamis, which raised see levels all over the world and submerged many parts of the world under water including Atlantis. In the following chapters we will see that the land of Atlantis was called Dilmun in Sumerian records and in Indian histories the name of Atlantis is the land of Kuru. Also the name of Atlantis in Book of Genesis is Enoch. It was a city founded by Cain when he went towards east. The Cain of Bible is the same as Kuru of Indian mythology. Also Coronus of Greek mythology may be referring to Bible’s Cain as well. We will see that the founder of Atlantis was Cain; the religion of Atlantians was Polytheism which was opposite and also parallel to monotheism which was the original religion in the world, practiced by Adam, Eve and their children except Cain.


I believe Dilmun is where circular Babel was created twice and lays submerged of the North Eastern Persian Gulf. It is also marked and has a connection today by the triangle/circle arrangement that is clearly seen on the plug of the shaft in the Queens tomb in the Great pyramid and is the basic design of Dilmun the city with Babel in the middle in the triangle/circle design. The early Egyptians came from Dilmun and surrounding areas and marked there origins through the triangle/circle symbol. The great Pyramid is purely as monument of the past and the future.

Babel in Dilmun

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/babel3_thumb.jpg

http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/images/babel_foundations17_jpg.jpg

Babel
http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/

Dilmun
http://dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/index.html

This symbol can be seen in the Plug of the shaft.

The Symbol of Dilmun.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/double_triangle.jpg

I feel this is the mystery of the great Pyramid that points to the previous ancient city of Dilmun built by the fallen Sons of God who built Dilmun and who then adopted the legends of Dalamatia City submerged in the Southern Persian Gulf and who adopted the legends of this first triangle city with the circular temple in the middle.

Myths and legends traveled across the world and applied over time to local places of the inhabitant of whom adopted the myth as there truth.

Here is the triangle City of Dalamatia City, the first city where all the legends emanated from and that was destroyed 200,000 years ago.
../persian_gulf/index.htm

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-15-2008 05:30 AM

Brig
Im not sure if you watched this video

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

But if you did, it mentions that man will fall like a broken pitcher when the destroyer arrives in the Kolbrin Bible.

If you had watched this video previously maybe the entity was watching and the breaking of the pitcher in your house is perhaps a sign in the confirmation made by your friend.

Perhaps like a warning to prepare yourself.

It could be that broken pitcher had some symbolism for you and the destroyer.

Anyway just a thought ahahaha.

Also Brig what did the bump sound like and was it from the attic or the basement or in the walls.

Sounds interesting that in the last 3 days there has been full on activity since you raised the subject and there has been discussion about it floating thoughts.

Could it be the entity is reading the posts and responding in his way??? Is the entity trying to tell you something, perhaps you should work out a test.

Let me know what occurs, Im interested in that crazy house of yours ahahahahah.

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:54 am

Quote:
Isaiah 42:3
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

and mentioned again by Matthew

Quote:

Matthew 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.



Matthew thinks this excerpt relates to Jesus but I think it relates to the last messenger and the thing that disguises him from Jesus is because he smokes the flax (tobacco). Remembering the Last messenger and Jesus work together at the end times and that is in the Quran as well being the Last Mahdi and Jesus who defeat the last rebel or Dajjal at BabelLudd

Smoking came into vogue after the discovery of the Americas and yet it is mentioned in the bible in the beforehand and Jesus never smoked from what I can tell.

Oh well looks like the last guy has to stop smoking! but it appears it doesn't happen until judgement has arrived. Judgement unto truth! Maybe the pressure is very great for the last messenger and smoking relaxes him under the pressure or something. Being a bruised reed seems to suggest that the Last Messenger suffers from depression of past meaningful events in his life and regrets and being alone in the wilderness he is depressed and isolated and no one understands him but the Lord sustains him and makes him strong in truth and in the word in the journey of the Seventh Seal.

Being sustained by the Lord, the Last messenger does not break as most would under the pressure of the End times. It appears that the Lord shows him the way to the Seventh mystery through all the books. It also suggests that the Last Messenger is utterly successful and the Father of all ages uphold his words in the action. Like Moses, the Last Messenger has 10,000 angels before him and after him throughout the world creating the right circumstances. The Lord makes it happen for him like in the days of Moses. The last messenger realizes in the journey and the Lord acts because the Last Messenger cant do a thing because he is isolated and in the wilderness and he is poor. Its only the Father and the last messenger working together and no one else, working together as best friends without fear but in love for one another.

Mind you there are people that could assist but they are to selfish and have no understanding of the Epic of the Last messenger.

For the Last Messenger, its the battle of all ages in truth!

Quote:
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street

The Last messenger is not heard in the streets because its all through the internet. He doesn't speak but he is heard! The delivery of the last message is different from any other prophet. His message becomes the Ark of the Testamony and yet throughout all this there will be few gathered at the last stand because of disbelief!

Any thoughts on that?

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« Reply #1 on: Today at 03:33:30 pm »

Absolute idiots the perpetrators of this crime.

Not 1 ounce of truth and completely stupid the actions of total ignorance!  idiot arseholes.

Another perfectly good family destroyed by the idiots and they forfeit there eternal life by this evil action.  Absolutely nothing will save the perpetrators of this crime including the fool who wrote the list in the book.

They will not enter Paradise!  None of them will, they are all rejected!

sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-15-2008 02:48 PM


Now its a code of imagination....what next

How about some hard facts and evidence! and answer some straight questions that you fail to do and avoid.
sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-15-2008 03:05 PM


Absolutely, I totally agree that Atlantis = Dilmun but I feel its more local as per images.

However I know the Andites went throughout the world spreading there culture after losing there home in the Persian Gulf. The Dilmunites/Andites traveled throughout the world which includes Indonesia spreading culture including myth, I feel I have evidence of there travels in there artwork left behind, its all in the eyes.

The Andites influenced many cultures with there myths and legends which contain there stories of there cities and there destruction.

With Enoch...what a fabulous book that is

Here is some parallels I found about the Acropolis Hill at the time when I researching 1stEden of Cyprus, however that was a few years ago and much has been discovered since then.

I thought these parallel verses where interesting, I always felt this was a specific description of the waters running down the Acropolis Hill to the valley and to the great river that emanated out of the Garden Eden peninsula which eventually connected to the Euphrates and then the Persian Gulf.

 

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1Enoch Chapter 26
1 And I went from thence to the middle of the earth, (Eden) and I saw a blessed place in which there were 2 trees with branches abiding and blooming [of a dismembered tree]. And there I saw a holy mountain, 3 and underneath the mountain to the east there was a stream and it flowed towards the south. (Sounds like same description in Ezekiel. The previous chapter sounds like a similar description to that I found in the following Ezekiel extract. Similarities like the springs issuing out from on top of the Holy mountain. Ezekiel further describes a temple and within its threshold probably a courtyard had an altar within and close by the Altar the spring issued out close by the tree of life.


(Ezekiel 47:1-12 KJV)
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: (spring issued from the mountain within the temple) for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, (Temple faced east) and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Here is an extract I found in the Book of Adam and Eve that describes the tree of life near where the springs where Adam and Eve eat of the tree of life and bathed in its waters. A real paradise. The linkages in all three scriptures is the stream that flowed from under the Holy Mountain.


The 1Book of Adam and Eve
extract  9 O Eve! Remember that while we were in the garden, we knew neither night nor day. Think of the Tree of Life, from below which flowed the water, (the spring) (the tree of life the ub) and that shed lustre over us! Remember, O Eve, the garden land, (1st Eden) and the brightness thereof! 10 Think, oh think of that garden in which was no darkness, while we lived in it.


http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/enoch_ezekiel.htm

Abbas what an interesting commonality to the ancient places specifically all the ancient places in the revealing of what has been hidden and just to know that in the linage is another abbes in the line, in this discovery and also another Abbas in 1914 who foresaw the Urantia Book in the Chicago before it came to pass in 1934.

However, Abbes is not my surname its my mothers maiden name. Its like the whole thing has been planned right from the beginning with connections and parallels in linage! I just think its great that we agree on a commonality where Dilmun = Atlantis. At this junction we could go alot further and bring in harmony all the places of all the ages and epochs with its truth. Abbas/Abbes = Father/Mother = Sabbath (anagram) = Seven.

And just to think this operation is part of the Sevenfold Mission related to the Sevenfold doctrine mentioned in Enoch which points directly to the Urantia Book a manifestation of the Sevenfold Seraphic Mission and has direct connection to the Ancients of Days, the Universal Fathers all embracing the operations of the Most High!

Its just all fascinating, the journey of truth and in the demonstration that you realize on the run in the Targum that emantes out of the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean sea all foreseen by John Gill 16th century preacher!

Everything was foreseen in part and brought together in the journey to the ancient places, the realms of Paradise! This is the real journey of Atlantis encompassing everything that emanates truth and in the demonstration.

I hope you dont mind Zia but I praise the Lord God in this time of realisation and oneness.

quote:


1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they shall believe;

1 Enoch l04:ll And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright path.

1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,

1 Enoch 92:17  The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.

1Enoch 1:8 Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendor of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
 


Sevenfold Scheme word search

and

Sevenfold word search

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Post This is very bad and Evil!!

More of the same foreseen Evil

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 144317.ece

 

Quote:

Iran and North Korea may have bought nuclear missile blueprints
James Bone in Washington
The discovery of designs for a compact nuclear bomb has raised fears that Iran and North Korea might have obtained blueprints enabling them to mount long-range strikes with nuclear-armed missiles.

Designs for a nuclear device small enough to fit on a ballistic missile were found on computers linked to the international smuggling ring that supplied nuclear knowhow to Iran, Libya and North Korea, a top US expert says.

“These advanced nuclear weapons designs may have long ago been sold off to some of the most treacherous regimes in the world,” David Albright, the president of the Institute for Science and International Security, wrote in a report provided yesterday to The Washington Post.

The blueprints were among some 30,000 heavily encrypted documents found in 2006 on computers linked to the now-defunct smuggling ring run by Abdul Qadeer Khan, the “father” of Pakistan's atomic weapons.

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The Swiss President, Pascal Couchepin, said last month that the documents had been destroyed under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency to prevent them getting into the hands of a terrorist organisation or an unauthorised state. Mr Couchepin said: “There were detailed construction plans for nuclear weapons, for gas ultra-centrifuges to enrich weapons-grade uranium, as well as for guided missile delivery systems.”

The computers belonged to three members of a Swiss family under investigation for their alleged role in the “A.Q. Khan network”, which was broken up in 2003 with Dr Khan being placed under house arrest. Two brothers, Urs and Marco Tinner, are being held on suspicion of violating export controls. Their father, Friedrich, was also detained but has since been released.

The case is complicated by reports that Urs Tinner co-operated with the CIA in exposing nuclear trafficking to Libya. The Zurich weekly Sonntags Zeitung said in March that Urs Tinner provided the tip that led to the seizure in 2003 of the German-registered freighter BBC China as it carried components for a uranium-enrichment plant from Dubai to Libya. The interception of the ship prompted Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, to abandon his country's covert efforts to acquire nuclear weapons.

The A.Q. Khan network is known to have supplied Libya with designs for a bulky Chinese nuclear weapon from the mid-1960s. The designs discovered on the Tinners' computers were for a smaller device similar to those for a Pakistani nuclear bomb.

The New York Times reported that the blueprints were for a bomb that was half the size and twice the power of the Chinese weapon, with far more modern electronics.

“These would have been ideal for two of Khan's other major customers, Iran and North Korea,” Mr Albright wrote. “They both faced struggles in building a nuclear warhead small enough to fit atop their ballistic missiles, and these designs were for a warhead that would fit.”

Because the designs are in digital form, it would be easy to distribute copies. It is not known if the bomb designs were sent to Iran, North Korea or any other nation.

Mr Albright said that the IAEA confronted the Pakistani Government shortly after the discovery and its officials “were genuinely shocked”.




Im sure they are listening and being guided by the last rebel.

You know, it might be necessary for the USA to defend themselves, I sense that they Iran are stalling for time in order to perfect a small nuclear bomb that will be used against Israel and the USA.

They will not enter Paradise! If they commit this grievous sin against humanity. No angels of any Paradise operation will never help them, they will be abandoned and isolated. There real reckoning will come in the eternal life which they will have no part of. The truth is front of them, they been informed and they dont listen they will go down to destruction.

The truth is front of them, they been informed and if they dont listen and continue down the path of destruction they will go down to destruction as if there never been alive, that would constitute the basis of personality extinction.

There is a good path for the leadership of Iran open for them right now but if they forsake to use nuclear weapons heaven will not help there souls. Gone forever! This is the choice that the Iranian leadership faces in light of the truth that is in their waters not to mention all the messages that are contained.


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-16-2008 02:12 AM

Hi

I must say its unique going from what I read and piece together. Thank God for technology and books.

I was good to meet you Im glad we have a commonalty in that Atlantis = Dilmun.

With Cain I tend to think he lived in the area of Elam and built cities there. From what I understand he and the Nodites had peace with the Adamites in the Second Garden of Eden between the two rivers in the North near the triangle of the rivers in the North. Im going back around 38,000 years.

There is one Nodite city found near the Persian Gulf which is called Jiroft. On the location there is a huge Pyramid made from Brick situated within a caldera of an extinct volcano. The artifacts found there are typical of the Andite (Adamite\Nodite) culture.

All the best
Sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 06-14-2008 10:30 PM


I agree with all the above, no worries

true

About Hell, Im still working out whether it exists or not. It could be the effect of religious evolution from the Good/Evil concept which is an evolutionary effect of religion.

here is an interesting fragment

PAPER 95 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE LEVANT, Oct 19 2000

 

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Link

Zoroastrianism is the only Urantian creed that perpetuates the Dalamatian and Edenic teachings about the Seven Master Spirits . While failing to evolve the Trinity concept, it did in a certain way approach that of God the Sevenfold. Original Zoroastrianism was not a pure dualism; though the early teachings did picture evil as a time co-ordinate of goodness, it was definitely eternity-submerged in the ultimate reality of the good. Only in later times did the belief gain credence that good and evil contended on equal terms.

The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia, were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the "day of judgment ," but he connected this event with the end of the world.

Even the religion which succeeded Zoroastrianism in Persia was markedly influenced by it. When the Iranian priests sought to overthrow the teachings of Zoroaster, they resurrected the ancient worship of Mithra. And Mithraism spread throughout the Levant and Mediterranean regions, being for some time a contemporary of both Judaism and Christianity. The teachings of Zoroaster thus came successively to impress three great religions: Judaism and Christianity and, through them, Mohammedanism.
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Says quite a bit.

And this following importamnt fragment

 

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7. THE SALEM TEACHINGS IN ARABIA
The Melchizedek teachings of the one God became established in the Arabian desert at a comparatively recent date. As in Greece, so in Arabia the Salem missionaries failed because of their misunderstanding of Machiventa's instructions regarding overorganization. But they were not thus hindered by their interpretation of his admonition against all efforts to extend the gospel through military force or civil compulsion.

Not even in China or Rome did the Melchizedek teachings fail more completely than in this desert region so very near Salem itself . Long after the majority of the peoples of the Orient and Occident had become respectively Buddhist and Christian, the desert of Arabia continued as it had for thousands of years. Each tribe worshiped its olden fetish, and many individual families had their own household gods. Long the struggle continued between Babylonian Ishtar, Hebrew Yahweh, Iranian Ahura, and Christian Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Never was one concept able fully to displace the others.


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Here and there throughout Arabia were families and clans that held on to the hazy idea of the one God. Such groups treasured the traditions of Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, and Zoroaster. There were numerous centers that might have responded to the Jesusonian gospel, but the Christian missionaries of the desert lands were an austere and unyielding group in contrast with the compromisers and innovators who functioned as missionaries in the Mediterranean countries. Had the followers of Jesus taken more seriously his injunction to "go into all the world and preach the gospel," and had they been more gracious in that preaching, less stringent in collateral social requirements of their own devising, then many lands would gladly have received the simple gospel of the carpenter's son, Arabia among them.

Despite the fact that the great Levantine monotheisms failed to take root in Arabia, this desert land was capable of producing a faith which, though less demanding in its social requirements, was nonetheless monotheistic.

There was only one factor of a tribal, racial, or national nature about the primitive and unorganized beliefs of the desert, and that was the peculiar and general respect which almost all Arabian tribes were willing to pay to a certain black stone fetish in a certain temple at Mecca. This point of common contact and reverence subsequently led to the establishment of the Islamic religion . What Yahweh, the volcano spirit, was to the Jewish Semites, the Kaaba stone became to their Arabic cousins.

The strength of Islam has been its clear-cut and well-defined presentation of Allah as the one and only Deity; its weakness, the association of military force with its promulgation, together with its degradation of woman. But it has steadfastly held to its presentation of the One Universal Deity of all, "who knows the invisible and the visible. He is the merciful and the compassionate." "Truly God is plenteous in goodness to all men." "And when I am sick, it is he who heals me." "For whenever as many as three speak together, God is present as a fourth," for is he not "the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden"?

Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]
 


quote:


"the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden"?


This is was an interesting clue regarding the hidden relating the first and the last eh! The ancient cities eh!

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Icon 1 posted 06-16-2008 06:25 AM


The Day of Judgement interested me, Does the day of judgement exist or is it religious evolution.

Here is Jesus words according to the Urantia Book, we know in the bible it exists.

 

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web page

Then, speaking to all the disciples, he said: "You have heard how many cities and villages have received the good news of the kingdom, and how my ministers and teachers have been received by both the Jew and the gentile. And blessed indeed are these communities which have elected to believe the gospel of the kingdom. But woe upon the light-rejecting inhabitants of Chorazin, Bethsaida-Julias, and Capernaum, the cities which did not well receive these messengers. I declare that, if the mighty works done in these places had been done in Tyre and Sidon, the people of these so-called heathen cities would have long since repented in sackcloth and ashes. It shall indeed be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment ."

The next day being the Sabbath, Jesus went apart with the seventy and said to them: "I did indeed rejoice with you when you came back bearing the good tidings of the reception of the gospel of the kingdom by so many people scattered throughout Galilee, Samaria, and Judea. But why were you so surprisingly elated? Did you not expect that your message would manifest power in its delivery? Did you go forth with so little faith in this gospel that you come back


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in surprise at its effectiveness? And now, while I would not quench your spirit of rejoicing, I would sternly warn you against the subtleties of pride, spiritual pride. If you could understand the downfall of Lucifer, the iniquitous one, you would solemnly shun all forms of spiritual pride.

"You have entered upon this great work of teaching mortal man that he is a son of God. I have shown you the way; go forth to do your duty and be not weary in well doing. To you and to all who shall follow in your steps down through the ages, let me say: I always stand near, and my invitation-call is, and ever shall be, Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am true and loyal, and you shall find spiritual rest for your souls."

And they found the Master's words to be true when they put his promises to the test. And since that day countless thousands also have tested and proved the surety of these same promises.
 


According to Jesus it exists, the day of judgment. It interesting "down through the ages" seems to have a duality in the timeline it does mean the future from there but down through the ages can mean back in time through the past which can have metaphor to the ancient cities.

Note: when the Urantia speaks "down through the Ages" it looks back into the past events, not the future, Like Jesus when he states "down through the ages" he must be looking back down through the ages of time as clue pointing to the Ancient cities of the earlier epochs of ancient times. So right here we could be seeing a direct confirmation and endorsement from Jesus of this journey to the ancient places down through the ages. It could very well be the straight and narrow path through the day of judgment. Quite possible!


and this one, it must exist.

 

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Then, as the people went down by the river to witness the baptizing, the first man came privately to Jesus about his inheritance inasmuch as he thought Jesus had dealt harshly with him; and when the Master had again heard him, he replied: "My son, why do you miss the opportunity to feed upon the bread of life on a day like this in order to indulge your covetous disposition? Do you not know that the Jewish laws of inheritance will be justly administered if you will go with your complaint to the court of the synagogue? Can you not see that my work has to do with making sure that you know about your heavenly inheritance? Have you not read the Scripture: `There is he who waxes rich by his wariness and much pinching, and this is the portion of his reward: Whereas he says, I have found rest and now shall be able to eat continually of my goods, yet he knows not what time shall bring upon him, and also that he must leave all these things to others when he dies.' Have you not read the commandment: `You shall not covet.' And again, `They have eaten and filled themselves and waxed fat, and then did they turn to other gods.' Have you read in the Psalms that `the Lord abhors the covetous,' and that `the little a righteous man has is better than the riches of many wicked.' `If riches increase, set not your heart upon them.' Have you read where Jeremiah said, `Let not the rich man glory in his riches'; and Ezekiel spoke truth when he said, `With their mouths they make a show of love, but their hearts are set upon their own selfish gain'."

Jesus sent the young man away, saying to him, "My son, what shall it profit you if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?"

To another standing near by who asked Jesus how the wealthy would stand in the day of judgment, he replied: "I have come to judge neither the rich nor the poor, but the lives men live will sit in judgment on all. Whatever else may concern the wealthy in the judgment, at least three questions must be answered by all who acquire great wealth, and these questions are:

"1. How much wealth did you accumulate?

"2. How did you get this wealth?

"3. How did you use your wealth?"

Then Jesus went into his tent to rest for a while before the evening meal. When the apostles had finished with the baptizing, they came also and would


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have talked with him about wealth on earth and treasure in heaven, but he was asleep.


Well exists in Jesus' words and I wouldn't under estimate any of this.

Here is another clue to the three concentric circles , the insignia of the Melchizedek, the symbol that underpins this journey to the ancient places. In each locations there are three circles, Dalamatia City, 1stEden and Vans Headquarters. All cities connect with the three circles. Fantastic!

quote:


The Salem teachers greatly reduced the number of the gods of Mesopotamia, at one time bringing the chief deities down to seven: Bel, Shamash, Nabu, Anu, Ea, Marduk, and Sin. At the height of the new teaching they exalted three of these gods to supremacy over all others, the Babylonian triad: Bel, Ea, and Anu, the gods of earth, sea, and sky. Still other triads grew up in different localities, all reminiscent of the trinity teachings of the Andites and the Sumerians and based on the belief of the Salemites in Melchizedek's insignia of the three circles .


You see it absolutely fantastic Melchizedek came to invigorate what was already here. But because the truth was becoming dim in the minds of men, the truth he made sure that the three circle symbol would perpetuate through the Salem missionaries. So when it came time to reconnect all the previous three circle cities in a journey, discovery and presentation at the end which would be revealed that which was hidden and it would fit and be verified in every aspect of the journey and in the discovery.


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:12 am

Hey ArchMichael

I read all those chapters you mentioned and I personally believe they are all related to the last messenger intimately.

I know one can see it a Jesus but there are few things that are unique to this time that was not known then, as we know In the journey to the ancient cities including all the information about them does put us on the path of the former things not known before. I believe this whole experience is part and parcel of the continuance of Jesus bestowal finding completion at the end and has duality to the last messenger.

In this time regarding the last messenger we are speaking of paths not known, never traversed before showing us all new things that are not familiar to us. I know there are many things about the last messenger in all of Isaiah which I think we should investigate to verify perhaps this journey.

Reviewing all things in light of this journey and see how we fare.

Here are some links to a study I did in the books of Isaiah a couple years ago looking at it from the 1stEden prospective. Mind you it was early in the journey and much can be seen now since the we have discovered many more things and cities or paths.

Here are some links to some highlights I did Isaiah long a time ago, I was touching the surface then but now the verses will have more meaning as the mystery appears to be more together in this day and the pieces appear to be falling into place in relation to the time line of the journey to the ancient places.

April 2006



http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_1.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_2.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_11.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_12.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_13.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_14.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_18.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_19.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_20.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_21.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_22.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_23.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_24.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_25.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_26.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_27.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_28.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_29.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_3.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_30.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_31.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_33.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_30.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_34.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_35.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_4.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_41.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_42.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_43.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_44.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_45.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_46.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_46a.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_48.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_5.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_51.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_52.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_58.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_6.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_7.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_8.htm
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_9.htm

There is much more to find in Isaiah

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-16-2008 08:17 PM


Im testing out the Urantia Book and looking for relevant fragments in all books of religion, every culture to see if I can find clues on the focalization of the ancient cities that the UB expresses.

that's all

and following inner guidance on hunches and expressing them on the go creating a document that I believe will be demonstrated through the verification of the triangle city submerged in the Persian Gulf, the first city.

From there I follow the hidden tracks and paths and connect them all up that to me resembles a consistency of oneness.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:00 am

Hi I thought I would post up Isaiah raised by ArchMichael and see what we can see looking from the perspective of this journey to the ancient places, cities of the 3 circles. Lets see if there is connection and parallel. I believe this both has duality to Jesus but some extra things that points to the Last messenger specifically.

 

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God's Assurance to Israel in the last times especially the probation time in the Testing period.
I believe its assistance to the last prophet

41 Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.

2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east , called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow.

3 He pursued them, and passed safely; even by the way that he had not gone with his feet.

4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.

5 The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came.

6 They helped every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good courage.

7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved.

8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.

10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish.

12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

13 For I the Lord thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.

14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

15 Behold, I will make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth: thou shalt thresh the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff.

16 Thou shalt fan them, and the wind shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and thou shalt rejoice in the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.

17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them.

18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: ]

20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the Lord hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.

The LORD's Challenge to False Gods
21 Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.

22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.

23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.

24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.

25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.

26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.

27 The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to Jerusalem one that bringeth good tidings.

28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.

29 Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.
 



Many connections I can see.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-18-2008 04:56 AM


Back to Hell

Here is a fragment that uses the word Invented Hells.

 

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web page

2. THE CONCEPT OF SIN
The fear of chance and the dread of bad luck literally drove man into the invention of primitive religion as supposed insurance against these calamities. From magic and ghosts, religion evolved through spirits and fetishes to taboos. Every primitive tribe had its tree of forbidden fruit, literally the apple but figuratively consisting of a thousand branches hanging heavy with all sorts of taboos. And the forbidden tree always said, "Thou shalt not."

As the savage mind evolved to that point where it envisaged both good and bad spirits, and when the taboo received the solemn sanction of evolving religion, the stage was all set for the appearance of the new conception of sin. The idea of sin was universally established in the world before revealed religion ever made its entry. It was only by the concept of sin that natural death became logical to the primitive mind. Sin was the transgression of taboo, and death was the penalty of sin.

Sin was ritual, not rational; an act, not a thought. And this entire concept of sin was fostered by the lingering traditions of Dilmun and the days of a little paradise on earth.

The tradition of Adam and the Garden of Eden also lent substance to the dream of a onetime "golden age" of the dawn of the races. And all this confirmed the ideas later expressed in the belief that man had his origin in a special creation, that he started his career in perfection, and that transgression of the taboos--sin--brought him down to his later sorry plight.

The habitual violation of a taboo became a vice; primitive law made vice a crime; religion made it a sin. Among the early tribes the violation of a taboo was a combined crime and sin. Community calamity was always regarded as punishment for tribal sin. To those who believed that prosperity and righteousness went together, the apparent prosperity of the wicked occasioned so much worry that it was necessary to invent hells for the punishment of taboo violators; the numbers of these places of future punishment have varied from one to five.

The idea of confession and forgiveness early appeared in primitive religion. Men would ask forgiveness at a public meeting for sins they intended to commit the following week. Confession was merely a rite of remission, also a public notification of defilement, a ritual of crying "unclean, unclean!" Then followed all the ritualistic schemes of purification. All ancient peoples practiced these meaningless ceremonies. Many apparently hygienic customs of the early tribes were largely ceremonial.

 


The Urantia Book seems to infer that Hell is an invention because of the above reasons.

Well its up to people to make up there own mind on the subject of Hell and how it was created.

Maybe hell is an invention!

Also the world record for drilling is being attempted at 35 000 feet = 10.668 kilometer.

http://www.nola.com/business/t-p/index.ssf?/base/money-3/1213334617150850.xml&coll=1

In the Youtube video it states that the drill was 14.4 kilometers. That has never occurred

So based on that alone, the sounds of hell from 14.4 kilometers below the ground would have to be a fraud!

I believe that is false, the screams of hell video.

Im am inclined to believe the Urantia Book information and I found the references to the ancient cities was interesting particularly the mention of Dilmun and sin and its origins in truth.

Here is another fragment in the same above link and makes reference to the Seven commands, one of the objective of going to Dalamatia City, to locate the stone slabs with the Seven commands inscribed.

Dilmun is the Atlantis of Egyptians and whom adopted the myth of Dalamatia City.

"a little paradise on earth" is Dalamatia City


sevens



Re: Is Hell Real?

« Reply #8 on: Today at 08:49:17 am »

 

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PAPER 52 - PLANETARY MORTAL EPOCHS, Oct 19 2000

line 126: On Urantia the establishment of this "new and living way" was a matter of fact as well as of truth. The isolation of Urantia in the Lucifer rebellion had suspended the procedure whereby mortals can pass, upon death, directly to the shores of the mansion worlds. Before the days of Christ Michael on Urantia all souls slept on until the dispensational or special millennial resurrections. Even Moses was not permitted to go over to the other side until the occasion of a special resurrection, the fallen Planetary Prince, Caligastia, contesting such a deliverance.  But ever since the day of Pentecost, Urantia mortals again may proceed directly to the morontia spheres.
   

sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:22 pm

No worries III had a quick look.

I remember, I thought they were great posts. I really enjoyed them as that expanded my thoughts in the way that I think.

III have to go through the post and see what you mean about Gabriel.

But all I know is that everything is going through a correction in my view and some notions that man holds close does stand to be corrected.

The End Times might be very shocking for the ones held in doctrine and dogma in the paths set straight. Some things that we have been taught simply doesn't exists as Im realizing.

There is one subject that surprises me and realized and it concerns Hell and its existence. Dopes it exists?? Perhaps a product of early evolutionary aspect of religion? I did a recent study on it and I found surprising results.

Here is a study I did on whether Hell exists and it may be quite shocking in the results.

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ul ... 000186;p=1

and

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/i ... 071.0.html

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:53 pm

Hey ArchMichael,

 

Quote:

There are only 3 things that I think are discussed in Isaiah.
1) Christ's comings
2) prophecies about Israel
3) prophecies against Israel's enemies.

Naturally, in reviewing Isaiah, I would be trying to find connections about the ET's messenger. I just cannot find any concrete statements that refer to an ET's messenger. I wish I could....


sevens wrote:
I read all those chapters you mentioned and I personally believe they are all related to the last messenger intimately.



I agree with all that but I feel in Isaiah there appears to be a duality to Jesus but to the End Times and its message

 

Quote:

26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.

18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
 


I thought the above verses and more had direct reference to the End Times, the construct and the message seems to have duality with Jesus and the last messenger with a few clues to the latter times. From the Jesus perspective it has type to the last messenger.

Im sure in the last message of the End Times Gabriel would be involved in the project of the End Times.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-18-2008 10:53 PM


But dont you think Hell is part of the evolution of religion that was adopted by later religions from the earlier, like we have with Christianity, they adopted Hell from the Hebrews and they got it from the the Eastern religions.

You have to prove that Hell exists.

Also I proved the Siberian Screams from Hell video false.

How do you know that Hell was taken from a previous religion in the case of Christianity.

Religious evolution concerning that aspect?? Logically speaking it would seem inefficient in the worlds of eternity to have a hell filled with negativity.

I believe in Personality extinction but it doesn't happen in this world.

And just to think the concept of Sin and inturn Hell came from the "lingering traditions of Dilmun" The city built by the fallen Sons of God who perhaps used these principles for control like we see today.

 

quote:


Sin was ritual, not rational; an act, not a thought. And this entire concept of sin was fostered by the lingering traditions of Dilmun and the days of a little paradise on earth.

and consider this

The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia , were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the "day of judgment," but he connected this event with the end of the world.


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 pm

There are many posts like this in the earlier part of this thread.

Just opinions of people who never knew about these ancient places.

Anyway as far as Im concerned the Father will do anything he likes regardless what people think.

If he wants to being in a new book and demonstrate it he can no matter what people think

If he wants correct Christianity or any other religions he will. Even if he does through archaeological finds. I wouldn't get high horse about the Urantia Book in its commentary because the people who write this has never seen the book in demonstration and the commentary is underlined fear. As the book is judged so are the people.


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 pm

Anyway Archmichael,

There are some posts deleted and unexplained but nevertheless there is a record of everything that is said. It must of been the truth, I remember that in one post I posted my first triangle/circle image here that I thought I could see and then it got deleted. A couple of months later I established the city was a triangle/circle design and had consistency with all the other cities that had the same design feature. When things are deleted you never know who they tie in to the future of realizations down the track.

When things are found in the first instance its a hunch but in the timeline, the discovery of the first instance starts to make sense down the track as more things are realized.

Deletion interrupts the process of discovery perhaps because the thing is not understood.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 05:09 PM

No worries Wireless

Seems to match the non Hell scenario.

Well now I am on the this platform Hell does not exist as that is a product of this thread highlighting the evolution of religion in the belief of Hell. Hell came about to stop the successful bad guys (in their eyes) daring to go against the taboos made by men. Confession is a public outcry of ones sin unclean, unclean with subsequent cleansing and is not necessary. A short sincere personal prayer in a realisation of a mistake with attitude correction is fine and efficient.

Obviously Hell was created and used as a tool of fear and like the 25th of December and is just another product of earlier religious celebrations that derived from other earlier evolutionary religions of which the newer adopt today.

I know this sounds terrible but many notions in the bible are mans evolutionary work built upon the foundations of the earlier religions of man. In real truth many ideas does not exist like Hell and 25th December being a Pagan worship day. Everyone knows this.

The End Times will be shocking for those who are religious and unchanging because this realisation actually would be seen as unacceptable which is Ok but I can demonstrate it. Remembering this is a correction that is happening and many will not like it in the end times and many things that we read is quite either right and where the crooked paths has to be set straight.

Many ideas of religion like Sin are based on the lingering traditions of the rebels. Thinking about it the rebels twisted truth for control and hell was a tool used in these traditions. Many of these traditions and taboos evolved down the timeline only to be broken and realized in the end times. Actually the relationship with God is much simpler than that and is personal and nothing to with ceremonies and outward projections.

Its just a personal inner spiritual journey and relationship which is normal like with any other person. Jesus was all about breaking these lingering traditions based on fear he wasn't interested in more bound ceremonies but in only truth.

Sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 05:44 PM

AAAAAhh come on Brig!! come on mate!

There many notions that we simply got from earlier religions and we adopted their thoughts in the evolution.

Like wrong code for example. Maybe we have been deceived with this very notion.

What about 25th December Eh! what's the story there?? Its not even Jesus' birthdate.

I tell you man Sin does exist and personality extinction does to. But Hell bound to eternal fire from Sin and in the way we are taught is inconsistent. Hell doesn't exist! Its just manmade tradition!

Also what about that Video, its only today that we can drill 10 kilometers. and no other drilling outfit has found such a thing.

The screams of hell and those who produced it are perhaps working for the last rebel using fear bound ideas based on these lingering traditions of Dilmun or Atlantis right! They use deception and fear right! ahahahahahahahahahahah.

Interesting that it links with the ancient places from Dilmun. Dilmat or the Maat and its association with Atlantis, the real truth and how they ruled. Bit of an eye opener.

To know that they created these Hell places further down the timeline to be used a fear weapon against man and which we see today in all religion, no religion escaped in adopting this perception as a tool of rule.

The truth of the matter is that today when we die we into a heavy slumber, (best sleep you ever had) and spiritually transported to be re personalized with our thought adjuster in the mansion world, its all in the spiritual world.

When a personality arrives at the mansion worlds of eternity and if the adjuster is not there to be reunited with the personality, the personality does not survive and is extinct.

That's what happens, there is no hell.

Look I know it sounds terrible but in the end times all things inconsistent with truth will be smashed to pieces.

By me asserting this, I loose much credibility everywhere but do I care no! only about the truth!  Im only one voice in the wilderness.

Sevens

 


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 06:23 PM


Hey Wireless
 

quote:


Again, hell is a state of mind and as such it exists!

Everthing changes...


Everything changes because the universe is restless and ever changing. Its evolving into new heights and levels of truth into the evolution of its own creation.

"Again, hell is a state of mind and as such it exists!" I think that man still holds onto a bondage that doesn't exist. If there is a part of code which is corrupt, what do you do? Delete! No different in the extinction of a personality.

No personality is stored in Hell fire literal!

However, one can create their own Hell in this life no doubt ahahaha!

I reckon in the NDE's what happened there was that their mindal processes was still operating whilst clinically dead and perhaps the thought adjuster in an appeal, using all the bits of information with meaning would be used to communicate to the soul of the personality who would recognize and understand.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 07:00 PM


Hey no worries wireless I can see what your saying in your expansion. Not a problem I see your logic in what you say.

But this is where we may have differences, with utter respect. I dont believe in re incarnation. I dont believe in the vicious circle or loop. I reckon its just a one stop shop where some programmes are a case of Junk in and junk and is simply discarded. I think there is a finality in personality extinction like have never been. See the programming here is like a programme of choice we select our programme based on our decisions. Some choice poor programmes for whatever reason, there are good programmes and some bad programmes that are Not Quite Right!

There is a master standard in the realm of Paradise, if a personality following the wrong program by choice falls short it doesn't survive.

However, anything positive accumulated in the life of the personality who failed to survive for whatever reason, that was consistent is retained by the Supreme Coder for the benefit of the universe in its future purposes.

Its the journey beyond matter and space time into the realms of infinite! Infinite platforms and many choices!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 07:07 PM


Ok

but

 

quote:


5. Essentially, the Soul, which is the esence of the self, is what is actually stored at the core or the main database of information. Meaning that the mind program needs to be re-programmed in accordance to that information...since the brain is no longer running the code due to death!!!


We continue forth in the universe constantly entering new levels of being new ever changing bodies in our universal adventure.

We dont come back here for reprogramming part of the core, we continue on in the everlasting reaches of the universe.

I thought the rest was interesting and made sense in many ways but we continue forth in ever changing new bodies and platforms into the essence of creation itself in the realms of eternity, the infinite.

Its the journey beyond matter and space time into the realms of infinite! Infinite platforms and many choices!


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 07:18 PM

Oh Well

about reincarnation and about the personality that's what I believe and all respect for what you believe. No problem!

There is alot of things that Im saying now that are upsetting people, like HELL does not exist and also about reincarnation, that must be 99% against what the planet believes in. But that's the way my research and realizations are going. I think there are many things that man is simply wrong about in his religious evolution.

We incarnate into a new body we dont re incarnate here back on earth in flesh and blood like some religions teach!

Two things Jesus never spoke of was Hell fire, damnation and reincarnation nor sex before marriage!

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 07:47 PM

Well

Well

I believe many of those ideas of reincarnation devised by the Brahmans thousands of years to combat the Melchizedeks truth of simple faith and salvation. It was a matter of influence and power and perpetuating genes hence the caste system.

I believe all that is just sophistry of the last rebel because all that reincarnation truth was an invention that bore out of necessity to perpetuate mans influence over another and created another so called truth, created not realized in truth and demonstration.

Look at the results of the caste system to the spirit of man in its caste enslavement that prevents him to find a free and better way in personal faith.


As for trances I dont believe that represents truth either. I believe that is the territory of the Last Rebel to transmit all sophistries.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 07:51 PM


quote:


> Two things Jesus never spoke of was Hell fire,
> damnation and reincarnation nor sex before
> marriage!

OK! So what!?


So what!! What!

Obviously he had more interesting things on his mind rather than perpetuating religious evolution.

Everyone makes a big deal about Hell! does Jesus speak of it! specifically like the Catholic Church or other religions?? All the religions speak of it and Jesus is the only person who doesnt! Get that one in logic!

See that's where the deception and wrong dogma can occur through the use of earlier religious evolutionary dogmas adopted by man through the ages. Many things he could of been wrong about in the first instance and evolved method over time and off course the last rebel would of had something to do with this to maintain bondage and fear.

What Ok, is that Ok. What, so what!

However, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the religion of truth, not religious evolution and lingering traditions.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

But it highlights some home truths about religion.


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Icon 1 posted 06-19-2008 08:11 PM


All Im doing is going by journey in the books in the journey to the ancient places and the things that I come across and what I discover in them.

Have a look at this video, in the first section its about religion, it clearly points to the evolution of religion, you can see it actually demonstrated.

However, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the religion of truth, not religious evolution and lingering false traditions from Dilmun/Atlantis. I believe in the truth of Dalamatia City before the fall of the rebel Sons of God and I believe in the Urantia Book and believe all the books have fragments of utter truth amongst many false notions of religious evolution on all sides and beliefs.


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

But it highlights some home truths about the evolution in all our religions.


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Well anyway,

Its a conversation that can perpetuate for a while enjoy the video. Mind you its pretty hard on religion but in this journey we know better but the places have to be verified.

We all believe what we believe at the end of the day.


what what eh Eh what ! ahahahahah
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..and what's the religion of truth!? Please note that I personally do NOT believe in any "religion"!!!
 


Religion of truth, a religion that can be verified on all levels especially on the physical level.

You read and see without compulsion. A religion with intelligence that harmonizes and which has soul.

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:18 pm

To be quite honest I dont think an expedition is going to happen out there anyway, nothing to fear.

Religion does not like this and will not like this to occur because of the many changes it brings and its challenging.
The Nodite system doesn't want this to happen as there system may get wrecked.
General man couldn't careless only if he can see it all before him with pop corn in one hand and controller in the other.
The Urantia crowd is to small and divided because many think there super intellectual and see this as a threat for some reason.
No government wants this as people become smart and understand everything.

So there you have it a stalled project of truth of the Kingdom of Heaven where man is full of pure fear and afraid of adjustment with correction brought about by the Kingdom of Heaven.

So onward Christian solders eh! In light of this truth, the song seems like a farce if we view all mans attitude regarding the truth of this stalled journey.

Well done man you're a real star and coward in the same light. I tell you there will be nothing coming for or forth from Christianity in truth except through these places no other action will come from anywhere else. Like a drought of truth except for these places.

If Christianity wants to know a spiritual drought then continue to reject the works of the Kingdom of Heaven! If the churches wants to know the cut of feeling or the pruned branch feeling just continue in the path of rejection and deletions. Just continue sitting on your fat behind in your so called self righteousness and lets see how you fare in the quest of truth.

Where is your demonstration of truth in the end times?...No where because everyone expects God to do everything for them. Well no such luck...we have to work for the end time construct in understanding and in truth and we have to seek out all possibilities in truth, not bias opinions with no demonstration.

If Christianity rejects the End time construct at the end of the day then the whole movement just becomes a farce. What was it all about in the first place if Christianity fails to see the end time construct and continues on the road with general man in his rejection.

If this blindness occurs in the end times for Christianity then the movement falls down in a heap of rubble and it would be better if it never occurred in the first place if this is the end result. Failure, with most if not all of the churches.

Even if Christianity went out there and it was wrong, like the places never existed, that is OK because they took the time to check out what was being asserted, they did the right thing by investigating and they did the right thing for the congregation. But rejecting this journey out of hand is the worst mistake for themselves and for the congregation and is no different to the rejection and death of Jesus. It is the same spirit!

I definitely know that Jesus would fully approve this investigation but because Christianity rejects, I then ask who is in control of Christianity. Is the same spirit of rejection and judgment seen at the Cross??? Is Christianity deceived in by end time witness in the end times through in action and doing nothing except just talk being self deceived?
 

I say what I say but I can demonstrate it. Can Christianity demonstrate anything??? except doctrine and dogma which have no life and does not sup of the living waters of eternity nor the tree of life.

Truth unto judgment, meaning after the truth is rejected in the end times, Judgment will occur and only a few were gathered in the final stand on the long and narrow path!

Jesus comes to enlighten while Father commits judgment day after the failure is evident!

I am sincerely sorry to Jesus and the Father, my Masters and my friends that the end times wasn't more successful but I did my best to the end living hand to mouth. And where is Christianity in support?...No where to be seen, all done, all forsaken and all finished.

I say personally let the Judgment proceed! Because this planet currently is a gonna! There is no more point wasting time nor posts. All has been revealed and spoken about and nothing is forth coming. No one will go out to the cities of truth in order to avoid the truth!

As a physical member of the Seraphic Sevenfold mission of Planet Urantia/Earth
I declare and request to the Ancient of Days the call of Judgment Day! of the wicked, unbelieving, faithless and untruthful for this planet



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Post Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hezbollah Poised to Strike? Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:43 am

Hezbollah would be foolish to go to war as the call for judgment day has been requested from the Ancient of Days.

It would be foolish for any country to begin a war.

I noticed there is call to peace from the Palestinian side, refreshing bit of news. Maybe there reading the posts! who knows eh!

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That's interesting ""scientism""

Haven't heard that one before.

Welcome to my "scientism" religion ahahahaha

just joking.

Anyway dont worry about it, I made a request to the Ancient of Days requesting the Call for Judgment day.

So at the end of the day we will see what the truth is demonstrated!

The proof will be in the pudding!

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Here is a post I made to a
Christian forum in a thread that has been long standing regarding the ancient places. I thought I would post this to provide some insight and to keep Islam informed of what is occurring on the other cultural divide. I share this as a friend and it may be helpful of where the journey to ancient places is at in truth.

I want all to benefit as the One God in Paradise does.
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To be quite honest I dont think an expedition is going to happen out there anyway, nothing to fear.

Religion does not like this and will not like this to occur because of the many changes it brings and its challenging.
The Nodite/Babylon system doesn't want this to happen as there system may get wrecked.
General man couldn't careless only if he can see it all before him with pop corn in one hand and controller in the other.
The Urantia crowd is to small and divided because many think there super intellectual and see this as a threat for some reason.

No government wants this as people become smart and understand everything.

So there you have it a stalled project of truth of the Kingdom of Heaven where man is full of pure fear and afraid of adjustment with correction brought about by the Kingdom of Heaven.

So onward Christian soilders eh! In light of this truth, the song seems like a farce if we view all mans attitude regarding the truth of this stalled journey.

Well done man you're a real star and coward in the same light. I tell you there will be nothing coming for or forth from Christianity in truth except through these places no other action will come from anywhere else. Like a drought of truth except for these places.

If Christianity wants to know a spiritual drought then continue to reject the works of the Kingdom of Heaven! If the churches wants to know the cut of feeling or the pruned branch feeling just continue in the path of rejection and deletions. Just continue sitting on your fat behind in your so called self righteousness and lets see how you fare in the quest of truth.

Where is your demonstration of truth in the end times?...No where because everyone expects God to do everything for them. Well no such luck...we have to work for the end time construct in understanding and in truth and we have to seek out all possibilities in truth, not bias opinions with no demonstration.

If Christianity rejects the End time construct at the end of the day then the whole movement just becomes a farce. What was it all about in the first place if Christianity fails to see the end time construct and continues on the road with general man in his rejection.

If this blindness occurs in the end times for Christianity then the movement falls down in a heap of rubble and it would be better if it never occurred in the first place if this is the end result. Failure, with most if not all of the churches.

Even if Christianity went out there and it was wrong, like the places never existed, that is OK because they took the time to check out what was being asserted, they did the right thing by investigating and they did the right thing for the congregation. But rejecting this journey out of hand is the worst mistake for themselves and for the congregation and is no different to the rejection and death of Jesus. It is the same spirit!

I definitely know that Jesus would fully approve this investigation but because Christianity rejects, I then ask who is in control of Christianity. Is it the same spirit of rejection and judgment seen at the Cross??? Is Christianity deceived in by their end time witness in the end times through in action and doing nothing except just talk being self deceived?

I say what I say but I can demonstrate it. Can Christianity demonstrate anything??? except doctrine and dogma which have no life and does not sup of the living waters of eternity nor the tree of life.

Truth unto judgment, meaning after the truth is rejected in the end times, Judgment will occur where only a few will be gathered in the final stand on the long and narrow path! The Father already knows the outcome and will respond to the requests of the elect to end, in the failure of the end time construct. This is how judgment comes to pass.

Jesus comes to enlighten while Father commits judgment day after the failure is evident!

I am sincerely sorry to Jesus and the Father my Masters and my friends that the end times wasn't more successful but I did my best to the end living hand to mouth. And where is Christianity in support?...No where to be seen, all done, all forsaken and all finished.

I say personally let the Judgment proceed! Because this planet currently is a gonna! There is no more point wasting time nor posts. All has been revealed and spoken about and nothing is forth coming. No one will go out to the cities of truth in order to avoid the truth!

As a physical member of the Seraphic Sevenfold Mission of Planet Urantia/Earth
I declare and request to the Ancient of Days the call of Judgment Day! of the wicked, unbelieving, faithless and untruthful for this planet

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Here is a post that I made to the Sons of Ishmael, the inhabitants of Kadesh.

Since Christianity has utterly failed the call, I gave the ancient places as a gift to the Sons of Kadesh, Sons of Ishmael...Islam. I made an open invitation for them to explore the first city of civilisation that lays in the Persian Gulf.

If Christianity fails the call well Islam might very well succeed and may put to shame the unbelief and the lack of faith and spiritual pride of Christianity.

 

By the way Sons of Ishmael, there is an open invitation to verify the first city of civilisation hidden in your waters for the purpose of enlightenment for man from Paradise.

You are quite welcome to explore the first great place where the tree of life was kept. Any man with faith is quite welcome to explore the places and is my gift to Islam and to the Sons of Ishmael. This operation of Paradise is not exclusive and is open for all man to explore and as it may turn out these places will being positive change but if all man rejects the final truth of the end times of this Epoch then man will be the victim of judgment in his unbelief and lack of faith.

So now its the time of faith in Paradise and go out and verify the places for all mans sake of the truth. Christianity will not go out there so now it is up to Islam, the ball is in the court of Islam, in the court of the Sons of Ishmael to bring in this expanded truth in the discovery of the truth of all our origins and remember the Ancient of Days are observing everything especially attitude towards the things of Paradise.

If anyone needs assistance in the truth of the matter I will help if its brings in truth and nothing but!

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all the best in the end times because you all will need it.

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No worries I respect what you are saying, sorry if I went over the mark regarding the last prophet. All I know is that a big city lays there hidden and needs additional faith sons to verify it. I also believe that Paradise has the last call in anything it does and can do anything it likes at any time with anyone it deems as a friend.

Lets go verify the first city and have some spiritual adventure for a change with the one God of Paradise at the helm.


So lets say if this is the last end time construct before Jesus comes back to kill Dajjal and Christianity and Islam reject all. Where does that leave the Universal Government of Paradise??? Who are the friends of the Universal Government of Paradise if rejection is the call of today??

It could only mean severe judgment of all.

We all know that when Judgment occurs the whole world wide system of untruth will be eradicated in truth!

Judgment will be unlike anything man has seen and never will see.


 

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Makkah in 630AD. The fiery Law in his right hand is "Islam".

In 630AD but what of today in our times?? and how is it being demonstrated? What is the witness of the call of the God of Paradise in today's times? What is the actual end time construct specifically in the days that we all live in? What is the thing that God focuses on specifically to bring about change and judgment? and where does the message emanate from? from the sea?? from all the generations of the past?

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:12 am

If Islam fails the call I will go to the Buddhist, if that fails then it is proven to Paradise that all man and his religion has rejected the catalyst of the end times construct of enlightenment, truth and change in a peaceful operation of discovery adventure and truth. Then man deserves all he gets, every last bit of it for his grave failure in the end times construct, utterly failed in the end times.

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Icon 1 posted 06-22-2008 03:20 AM


I found this article on the front end of this website I was interested in the 3 coplanar circles of the crop circle. I wonder if there is additional thoughts contained in the symbol.  I know the 3 co planar circles are connected to the journey to the ancient places.  I wonder if there something related to the journey through similar symbolism found in the circle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027178/Easy-pi-Astrophysicist-solves-riddle-crop-circle.html

This symbol may also reflect the mystery of the 7 spheres and the 3 spheres mentioned in the Kolbrin Bible which I interpret as the 7 circles of the Sevenfold and the 3 circle symbol of the Melchizedek although the Melchizedek symbol is 3 concentric circles in this case 3 co planar circles which reflect the submerged cities with the same 3 co planar commonality.

It maybe a connection to the journey linking the oneness of the symbols related to the journey to ancient cities, the symbol does have 7 Spheres and 3 co planar circles. However, the 3 circles are within the Seven spheres in reverse to what is mentioned in the Kolbrin bible extract.

Looking at it again the UFO crop circle is 7 spheres within the 3 co planar spheres which does fulfill the Kolbrin thought of the  7 spheres within the 3 sphere relating to the mystery of the Kolbrin and in my mind fulfilled in the journey to the ancient places.  The crop circle is like a confirmation and landmark along the path of truth leading to the cities of the tree of life.

Anyway its just a thought.

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Also note the symbol of the journey to the ancient cities of the past ages which I made sometime ago.

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I appreciate your response III think about it, there is much to think about.

I was doing some reading about Islam where I came across this clue
"for is he not "the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden"? I had the feeling this maybe a indirect clue to the ancient places in the discussion of Islam.

I haven't looked it up yet in the Quran or the relevant Hadith purposely, I was wondering if you know this verse lays and I was curious in what context the verse is delivered.

I personally feel its a strong clue but I dont know I haven't seen the rest of the Verses to see if there is a connection and strong clue pointing to the journey to the ancient places.

I have found many verses relating to the End at the beginning in the Old Testament where I strongly feel it relates to this journey declaring the end at the beginning.

Here is a search I did that I believe relates to these ancient cities being the beginning of our origins where the End shall come.

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Isaiah 46.9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

and here is an old post where I felt related to a great change coming from the Beginning. I felt these verses where interesting.

 

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What can we find in the bible about witness that might be relevant to this journey to ancient times in truth.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=witness&ver=kjv

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Numbers 17

6 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, and every one of their princes gave him a rod [1] apiece, for each prince one, according to their fathers' houses, even twelve rods: and the rod of Aaron was among their rods. 7 And Moses laid up the rods before the Lord in the tabernacle of witness.

8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds. 9 And Moses brought out all the rods from before the Lord unto all the children of Israel: and they looked, and took every man his rod. 10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; [2] and thou shalt quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not. 11 And Moses did so: as the Lord commanded him, so did he. 12 And the children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish. 13 Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the tabernacle of the Lord shall die: shall we be consumed with dying?

and

Psalm 89:37

It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

and

Proverbs 12:17

He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

and

Proverbs 14:5

A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

and

Proverbs 14:25

A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness speaketh lies.

and

Proverbs 21:28

A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.

and

Isaiah 19:20

And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

and

Getting hot

Isaiah 43:9

Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things?let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

and

Isaiah 43:10

Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

and

Isaiah 43:12

I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.

and

Isaiah 44:8

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

and

Isaiah 44:9

They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses;they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.

and

a high honour

Isaiah 55:4

Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

and

Jeremiah 32:10

And I subscribed the evidence, and sealed it, and took witnesses, and weighed him the money in the balances.

and

Lamentations 2:13

What thing shall I take to witness for thee? what thing shall I liken to thee, O daughter of Jerusalem? what shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, O virgin daughter of Zion? for thy breach is great like the sea: who can heal thee?

and

Micah 1:2

Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple.



and

Matthew 18:16

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

and

Matthew 23:31 (Read all of Matthew 23)

Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

and

John 5:32

There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

and

John 8:18

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.


and

John 15:27

And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

and

John 18:37

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

and

Acts 2:32

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


and

Acts 26:16

But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

and

Acts 26:22

Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

and

Romans 3:21

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

and

Romans 8:16

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

and

Hebrews 2:4

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

and

1 John 1:2

(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

and

Revelation 11:3 (Read all of Revelation 11)

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth

Very interesting word search

Remember the outcome of this journey is related to self realisation, a journey that we can all participate in on the run and is not exclusive. Its a path that leads to Jesus who will come back and be the victor in truth.


Sevens


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[56.23] The like of the hidden pearls:

If you wish, you can recite this Verse from the Holy Quran:--"No soul knows what is kept hidden for them, of joy as a reward for what they used to do." (32.17)  (Book #54, Hadith #467)

Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' So when I went (over the seventh heaven), there I saw Abraham. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is your father; pay your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' then I was made to ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said, 'This is the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) . Behold ! there ran four rivers, two were hidden and two were visible, I asked, 'What are these two kinds of rivers, O Gabriel?' He replied,' As for the hidden rivers, they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.'

(7) Abu'l-Bakhtari reported: We saw the new moon of Ramadan as we were at Dhit-i-'Irq. We sent a man to Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with both of them) to ask him (whether the sighting of a small moon had something of the nature of defect in it). Upon this Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with both of them) said that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: Verily Allah deferred its sight, but if (the new moon) is hidden from you, then, complete its number (thirty).  (Book #006, Hadith #2393)

(9) It has been narrated on the authority of Sa'id b. Musayyab who said: My father was one of those who swore fealty to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) near the tree. When we passed that way next year intending to perform the Hajj, the place of the tree was hidden to us. If you could point out clearly, you would (certainly) be knowing better. It has also been narrated on the authority of Sa'id b. Musayyib who learnt from his father that they were with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) in the year of the Tree (i. e. in the year of the fealty of God's pleasure sworn under the tree at Hudaibiya), but next year they forgot the spot of the tree.  (Book #020, Hadith #4588)

(14) Abu Zaid (viz. Amr b. Akhtab) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) led us in the dawn prayer and then mounted the pulpit and addressed us until it was (time for the) noon prayer. He then came down the pulpit and observed prayer and then again mounted the pulpit and again addressed us until it was time for the 'Asr prayer. He then again came down and observed the prayer and again mounted the pulpit and addressed us until the sun was set and he informed (about) everything (pertaining to turmoil) that lay hidden in the past and what lies in (the womb) of) the future and the most learned amongst us is one who remembers them well  (Book #041, Hadith #6913)

Sa'd struck his chest and said: Keep quite. I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah loves the servant who is God-conscious and is free from want and is hidden (from the view of people).  (Book #042, Hadith #7072)

(6) Narrated AbuMalik: The people asked: Tell us a word which we repeat in the morning, evening and when we rise. So he commanded us to say: "O Allah! Creator of Heavens and Earth; Knower of all that is hidden and open; Thou art the Lord of everything; the angels testify that there is no god but Thee, for we seek refuge in Thee from the evil within ourselves, from the evil of the Devil accused and from the evil of his suggestion about partnership with Allah, and that we earn sin for ourselves or drag it to a Muslim." AbuDawud said: And through the same chain of transmitters the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one rises in the morning, one should say: "We have reached the morning, and in the morning the dominion belongs to Allah, the Lord of the universe. O Allah! I ask Thee for the good this day contains, for conquest, victory, light, blessing and guidance during it; and I seek refuge in Thee from the evil it contains and the evil contained in what comes after it." In the evening he should say the equivalent.  (Book #41, Hadith #5065)

(3) On the Day when Allah will gather the Messengers together and say to them: "What was the response you received (from men to your teaching)? They will say: "We have no knowledge, verily, only You are the AllKnower of all that is hidden.

(5) And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.

(9) "O our Lord! Certainly, You know what we conceal and what we reveal. Nothing on the earth or in the heaven is hidden from Allah.

(10) And if you (O Muhammad SAW) speak (the invocation) aloud, then verily, He knows the secret and that which is yet more hidden.

 "Verily, the Hour is coming and My Will is to keep it hidden that every person may be rewarded for that which he strives

(12) Al-La (this word has two interpretations) (A) (As Shaitan (Satan) has barred them from Allahs Way) so that they do not worship (prostrate before) Allah, or (B) So that they may worship (prostrate before) Allah, Who brings to light what is hidden in the heavens and the earth, and knows what you conceal and what you reveal. (Tafsir At-Tabaree, Vol. 19, Page 149)

(13) And there is nothing hidden in the heaven and the earth, but is in a Clear Book

(21) That Day shall you be brought to Judgement, not a secret of you will be hidden.

(22) Except what Allah, may will, He knows what is apparent and what is hidden.  
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(5) And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record .

Seems to have a similar metaphor to the ancient hidden cities. The journey seems fall in the same construct as in the above. There is a clear record of the journey and all the discoveries along the way, this focalization and journey is related to what is hidden on the earth and what is hidden in the sea which we would understand.


I thought this was interesting to
 

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(13) And there is nothing hidden in the heaven and the earth, but is in a Clear Book

(21)
That Day shall you be brought to Judgement, not a secret of you will be hidden. This infers that judgment day is related to what is hidden. It appears that a secret or mystery is related to a day of Judgment.

(22)
Except what Allah, may will, He knows what is apparent and what is hidden.
( سورة الأعلى , Al-Ala, Chapter #87, Verse #7)

I feel that Allah will reveal a mystery that is hidden and relates to Judgment day. If this is right then I contend that the mystery may come from the Ancient first cities where the tree of life was kept at one point in time. These are all the cities thousands of years before Noah and I believe the message will come from all previous generations and it come from the Origins of all mankind.

There are many more references to hidden in the books of Islam that I find intriguing and could very well be related to this focalization in the journey!

I thought this one was an excellent one to and it comes from Jesus himself relating the first and the last of all of us exactly what the ancient hidden submerged cities are all about in the construct.

 

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(10) Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Allah, our Lord! Send us from heaven a table spread (with food) that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a festival and a sign from You; and provide us sustenance, for You are the Best of sustainers."

the above has the same metaphor to this journey being all to do "for the first and the last of us" meaning all the generations relating to the mystery fo the ages, of the previous Epochs. Its in Jesus' words and its a sign, perhaps the sign of judgment day.

Here is another verse that I find interesting

 

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(13) And We shall turn their hearts and their eyes away (from guidance), as they refused to believe therein for the first time, and We shall leave them in their trespass to wander blindly.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #110)

"they refused to believe therein for the first time" is this related to the first cities, the first time??

and this one was interesting and can be in the same metaphor.

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(17) Await they just for the final fulfillment of the event? On the Day the event is finally fulfilled (i.e. the Day of Resurrection), those who neglected it before will say: "Verily, the Messengers of our Lord did come with the truth, now are there any intercessors for us that they might intercede on our behalf? Or could we be sent back (to the first life of the world) so that we might do (good) deeds other than those (evil) deeds which we used to do?" Verily, they have lost their ownselves (i.e. destroyed themselves) and that which they used to fabricate (invoking and worshipping others besides Allah) has gone away from them.


 

and this one was interesting and can be in the same metaphor

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(17) Await they just for the final fulfillment of the event? On the Day the event is finally fulfilled (i.e. the Day of Resurrection), those who neglected it before will say: "Verily, the Messengers of our Lord did come with the truth, now are there any intercessors for us that they might intercede on our behalf? Or could we be sent back (to the first life of the world) so that we might do (good) deeds other than those (evil) deeds which we used to do?" Verily, they have lost their ownselves (i.e. destroyed themselves) and that which they used to fabricate (invoking and worshipping others besides Allah) has gone away from them.

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(30) And they will be set before your Lord in (lines as) rows, (and Allah will say): "Now indeed, you have come to Us as We created you the first time. Nay, but you thought that We had appointed no meeting for you (with Us)."

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(34) And (remember) the Day when We shall roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books, as We began the first creation, We shall repeat it, (it is) a promise binding upon Us. Truly, We shall do it.

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(36) And He is Allah; La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). His is all praise, in the first (i.e. in this world) and in the last (i.e.in the Hereafter). And for Him is the Decision, and to Him shall you (all) be returned.

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(38) Say: (O Muhammad SAW) "He will give life to them Who created them for the first time! And He is the All-Knower of every creation!"

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(41) And (remember) the Day that the enemies of Allah will be gathered to the Fire, so they will be collected there (the first and the last).

I feel this has connection

and this major verse

 

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(46) Say (O Muhammad SAW):"I am not a new thing among the Messengers (of Allah) (i.e. I am not the first Messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner."

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(48) But to Allah belongs the last (Hereafter) and the first (the world).

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(53) He is the first (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He is the All-Knower of every thing.

 

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(59) On the Day (when the first blowing of the Trumpet is blown), the earth and the mountains will shake violently (and everybody will die),

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(62) And truly, unto Us (belong) the last (Hereafter) and the first (this world).

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(63) Who has taught (the writing) by the pen (the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)

Very enjoyable search through the Quran and other works following the word first.

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Well I believe what Im presenting is the catalyst for the end times or Judgment day.

However if Islam does not quicken to this I will leave here and I will go the Buddhists and see if they would like to go and verify the truth.

If that Endeavour fails then its is proven that all religions of the planet has rejected the end times sign and that's why we are going to have a severe judgment upon all man.

I spent years researching and have given everything away on the run as things occur to me as I write and following thoughts and feelings of where the truth is leading me.

There has been no reward of money in this, I have fulfilled many things in all the books of religion through the journey of the end times without even realizing it, it only at the end that I realised many things found in the books of all religion. Its just an honest journey where I show the things that I speak about with demonstration. I even see this journey specifically reflected in all the books of religion, I know this is the last message before the King comes and there is always someone to announce the arrival of the King before he arrives including his intent and purpose.

I expect all to reject but there is one person that may not reject and that is the One God of Paradise.

Im not sure if I will spend the same time here as I spent with Christianity. If there is no quickening then I will move on and including all the angels involved in this project intimately. All the branches that are not fruitful we be cut off.

No problem but remember in this rejection, you all reject Paradise of the one God in the journey to the end times which reveals all the mysteries and I know the end truth catalyst will all be rejected by mankind as one body. Whilst man worships God in many fragmented bodies, all religion in this case will be in one united body in the rejection of Paradise and its end times catalyst of change. How amazing is that!! Eh! That's incredible! United religions become in the end times rejection of the Paradise path and the end time catalyst of massive change where everything will be wrecked and there is only one path of safety that has been revealed and laid which requires FAITH. Any false doctrine from anywhere will simply be wrecked through a great and peaceful discovery with adventure in truth, revealing itself. Believe me Christianity will be severely affected and this includes all the religions everything will simply be wrecked by the truth of everything, revealed and demonstrated. So here is the great opportunity for all!

And I will demonstrate a united body of rejection of the One God of Paradise end plan and the One God of Paradise will see this to, God is the ultimate witness of his children who dont hear in the great trial of Faith. This journey is way beyond ritual and the silly divisions of religion we have today as this is the God of Action working in this project. It becomes a matter of life and death. Honestly! and we all have to be successful. I would like that to happen but Im afraid no one will hear because of the over burden of religion, the fear that is rife in all religion departing the path of Love for one another and divided they remain and united they are in rejection. That will be the final witness of the truth concerning mans religion.
 

There is every possibility that Judgment will come without even going to the ancient places of the very first times because the God in Paradise knows everything including the outcome of mans ultimate attitude concerning the One God of Paradise' personal project!

There is a last rebel still out there to create mischief and he does that through division and false sophistry, this is how the last rebel works through division, confusion and infiltrating man through false fear based doctrine in order to keep all religions divided. This is how he works to keep us from the path of truth that will kill him! I know the Last rebel is frightened of this because he knows his demise comes from the truth of the cities and its about him him and the truth of him revealed before all man. The last rebel becomes unmasked and revealed before all man and his religions with the rebel and his children only to go down to destruction.


His end is coming very soon and his children will follow him and remember when it comes, judgment day comes suddenly and no one can back track on their previous decisions.

Now is the time to make those great personal decisions?????  It will be black and white and no compromises or Gray areas.

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Anyway I would warn all the brothers that the catalyst is here and great change is upon us. and I would proclaim with boldness in order to help man, to help all man, that would be the purposes of all Gods religions in preparation of the final days before great and massive change that man has no control over. 

Is required that no man go to war as the truth will reveal itself and where man is faced with a simple decision in light of the revealing truth of the ancient cities where there is unfinished business of the one God of Paradise.

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:34 am

Anyway, in this time Im going to spend sometime with Islam before I get banned as that has happened before.

I wont be posting much here as much as much has been posted with very little response or participation. I respect ArchMichael for his contributions which I thought was fantastic and help me much and I respect Geo and Petra and Sissco truly great people and faith sons and daughters.

If there is something interesting I will post here but by and large Im moving on. However, if any one is interested in the progress here is the link

http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.ph ... #post18402

I still want Christianity to be in touch as this is a project for all man and his religion and also Im in uncharted waters in another faith with many commonalities with Christianity so we will see the witness in the response.

At the end of the day, it maybe that all religions are united in the rejection of the catalyst of the end times and divided they are in general religion. Most unusual outcome and twist of reality.

If its fails with Islam, I will go to the Shin sect of Buddhism in Japan as that particular sect has been highly commendated for its ability to seek truth in all books of religion, very similar to this journey.

I feel that if the Urantia Book highly commondates this religion then it maybe the path for me to pursue, to get out to the cities of truth and verify as that religion of Buddhism may listen because they open to truth as mentioned in the UB.

In the journey I have written to the Bush Government
The Iranian Government concerning the places and change
The Christian churches including the Catholics
Many churches and bible colleges with not one response in reply.
Posted to Islam and got banned but I returned and see what happens.
Many Urantia people are asleep or in there own intellectual loop, in a world of there own and transferred there spiritual pride from there previous religions.

The Last port of call is Buddhism, that's the last place.

Essentially, its been total rejection by all the main religions proving that regardless who comes to announce the arrival of the King of Kings all man and his religion will reject.

This has been demonstrated! and is the witness to the King of Kings, Jesus of Nazareth and including the Ancient of Days.

This is the report of the final days of truth unto judgment.

I feel very disappointed and rather embarrassed for the The Father and the Kingdom of Heaven in the total rejection of the truth concerning the end days catalyst. I would of expected much more out of religion and man in these perilous times.

The report card for Christianity is a flat out F-

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The Unfinished business that I refer to concerns the Last rebel and the city in which he made the decision to follow the Lucifer rebellion. This is where it all happened and now we a re revealing this, the truth of the hidden.

As we discover the city and understand the complete story and everything about him he becomes revealed and as we continue to discover the city I hope to find the Seven commands inscribed on the Stone Slabs, they should be still preserved there as they would lay under the stands. The place was destroyed by a tidal wave and many artifacts should still be there and under the sands of the first city. Maybe petrified though but there should be some evidence there.

No as we verify this step by step, point by point in the verification based on all books of religion we prove the current books in its participation. But there is a new book for inquiry and this book of Paradise will demonstrate itself when it proves itself as authentic and seen as reliable and a authentic work of Paradise, then people will see a widen and deepening of the own religion as this book unifies all the religions as on body of the truth that is demonstrated. That would be truth and plan of Paradise.

I have all faith as we can see the outline of the City in the images, a triangle city with a circular temple in the middle understanding this design is also perpetuated in another city submerged in the North Eastern Persian Gulf called Dilmun where the circular temple of Babel was built, attempted twice in the same location.

You can see the city built by the fallen Sons of God 150,000 years ago, this place is the true Atlantis, this is where the early Egyptians came from and perpetuated the legends of Dilmat of the Maat in their legends. However the residence of Dilmun to the North adopted by proxy the memories of Dalamatia City, the first city of truth before the fall of the city due to the Lucifer rebellion.

This is the story and the design triangle and circle is confirmed in the great pyramid that I discovered in an image on the plug in the queens chambers. This discovery also confirms a scripture concerning the landmark on the border in the Old testament.

There are many hidden landmarks that I have discovered along the journey that led me from one city to another over the last 4 years in the documentation of this journey to the ancient places discovered throughout the books of religion.

Anyway this gives you some insight including the landmarks and hidden tracks that I was led to in the books that led me to the cities of the first times.

The greatest discovery in the history of mankind and for all religion and for all mankind which changes everything in a twinkling of an eye. Multiple cities with its own truth and combined all together makes this the greatest presentation ever. The is nothing comparable and is totally unbreakable even at this stage.

This truth of the cities is the threshing tool of Paradise or the Rods of Aaron which I believe will be complimented by a demonstration of Paradise.

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Icon 1 posted 06-23-2008 05:21

Im just watching this documentary on how some of the churches operate and control their members through many methods and manipulations using scripture against people in order to control every aspect of their lives.

Man O man what are the leaders and the elders doing using Hell, condemnation and innuendo to maintain total control over the individual using false things like hell and judgment and all that.

I tell you this kind of behaviour upon mankind will not survive the end times Judgment day, this type of stuff that people do to one another using Jesus' words in order to reap a weekly 20%+ tithe using innuendo will be wrecked and its a witness of untruth and deception using false doctrine. This is the deception within the churches and it wont survive and its all in revelation and will be routed out.

You know, people under estimate the cities of truth, the cities of the ages past and the message is coming from the Generations of old and Judgment Day. From I see and sense its getting close as more is revealed to a focalization point. But because these people think they have plenty of time and can maintain the scam, skirting the timeline of Judgment Day thinking it wont happen for 100 years or so, put themselves at real risk where they do not enter the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus will not recognize them. No way known according to my witness to the ancient cities.

Now I know why Christianity will involves themselves in the journey to the cities and go out there and verify all the cities. It reveals the deception within their ranks the work of the Last Rebel using fear in religion like invented Hell. Lingering traditions of Dilmun and that little Paradise Dalamatia City after the rebellion.

But the Father has his own agenda and its linked to discovery and realisation in the journey to the Ages of the past and to all the cities.

That's why I gave up on Christianity to be part of this and go out there and verify. Now this journey is open for Islam to consider all the facts and they themselves may go out and verify this path, this branch.

And if Islam goes out there and verify the cities it will put all the leaders and Elders of all the churches on real notice as to there behaviour and attitude towards there fellow man. All manipulations will be all brought out and judgment will come from within Man himself and that will display the real fiber of the leaders of the Christianity Churches and many will run like cowards when they realize what they do people through scripture manipulations and how wrong it is. I believe in Jesus but his message was love for one another not compelling man through fear. Let man give what he wants to give, that's fair. if man wants give great but not compel man to 20%+ income stream capitalizing on weakness and discouraged, it becomes all physiological and not spiritual.

Anyway, if man had the real truth of everything people presented from all levels and open, not secular, people would come swarming to see his presentation and wouldn't require anything like a tithe up from 10% up to now 20% on offering, special offerings and no doubt other levels of offering.

Not all churches are like this but there are many who take advantage of the weak and discomforted in order to create an income stream. All fear doctrine will be obliterated and the children of that false doctrine will go down to destruction.  There is no doubt about that.

That includes the Hell doctrine, that's the first thing that is marked for destruction.

Truth unto Judgment!

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The Area of Dalamatia City is 112.5 square kilometers.

 

Icon 1 posted 06-23-2008 06:28 AM

Just came across this which I thought was interesting whilst I was reading about Dalamatia City.

Its interesting that this fragment is associated with a comment about the Judgement of the Ancients of Days.

Could it be that I am right considering that this fragment is attached directly to Dalamatia City??

 

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The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.

Dalamatia City

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Paper 66 City of the Prince

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However, the reason why I was looking through the Dalamatia City paper is that I was trying to find the information of the 100 mile Dalamatia City hinterland that it describes. The City itself is approxiamately 15km x 15km x 15km, an Area of 112sqaure kilometers, I wonder if this calculation in truth relates to this 100 mile hinterland seems close to an approximate calculation of the city.

I know the fragment is there but I havent foiund it yet.

The city itself had 10 grand divisions that you can see and each division was seperated by 5 divisions. You can see the divisions within the hinterland of the triangle walls. Each grand division has an central headquarters

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/persian_gulf/index.htm

The 10 grand divisions

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Another view of the 10 grand divisions

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another view of a grand divisions and you can see the 5 divisions of a grand division.

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and here is a single division with its headquarters still intact to a degree

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and a top view produced when I first discovered the walls but wasn't seeing it was triangle city, that came later in the journey when it just appeared to me or when it occurred to me.

I found the fragment
web page

 

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PAPER 66 - THE PLANETARY PRINCE OF URANTIA, Oct 19 2000

line 183: The country around the city was quite well settled within a radius of one hundred miles.

Immediately surrounding the city, hundreds of graduates of the Prince's schools engaged in animal husbandry and otherwise carried out the instruction they had received from his staff and their numerous human helpers. A few engaged in agriculture and horticulture.


Ok, if we extend further out to match the 100 mile radius of Dalamatia City you will reach the 100 mile outer extent of Dalamatia City beyond the walls.

Again the City is approximately 112.5 sq kilometers and can hold a total of 40,000 people and does seem to match the size of the triangle city in the image.

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Each grand division held 500 and more people.

 

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The Prince's staff lived together as fathers and mothers. True, they had no children of their own, but the fifty pattern homes of Dalamatia never sheltered less than five hundred adopted little ones assembled from the superior families of the Andonic and Sangik races; many of these children were orphans.


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Im sorry If I offended anyone, I never meant to except share my experience. I am looking into the Quran and I find much commonality that helps me

I will read what you have spoken and think about it. At the End of the day the One God of Paradise will show me whether I am right or not in the demonstration. If it proves false Then I am wrong and I would have to review all my thoughts. But until that happens I have to continue on my journey as I feel I am getting real results that I have shared with you and it just keeps leading to things and understandings that I just think. I cant deny my personal journey which I think is a revealing something we have never seen before and no man knew about. How can a mans experience of life be denied.

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:04 pm

Here is a copy of a few multiple emails that I sent to the Shin Sect

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Hello, My name is Sevens I am a individual religionist. I search all books of truth and I was led to the ancient cities of the Ages past by the Urantia Book. I have proposed this journey to all religions and thus far has been rejected.
Because the Urantia Book commondates your religion as the most progressive in all the world in Buddhism because you look at everything and consider. I thought I would approach you .

I was led to the city by the Urantia Book

My research is based on the Urantia Book and extends to all books and my focalization is the ancient cities.

Here is information of the City of the Prince
http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper66.html

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper67.html

and here is some information about Dalamatia City
../persian_gulf/index.htm

Based on all the above I would to propose a expedition to this location submerged in the Persian Gulf to widen and deepen all religion.

Here is an excerpt out of the Urantia Book that compliments the Shin Sect.

I am think that the Shin Sect is perhaps the last hope to get this expedition going for the great Amida

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimp ... ne=225#mfs

Word Search "Amida"

line 219: Gradually the concept of God, as contrasted with the Absolute, began to appear in Buddhism. Its sources are back in the early days of this differentiation of the followers of the Lesser Road and the Greater Road. It was among the latter division of Buddhism that the dual conception of God and the Absolute finally matured. Step by step, century by century, the God concept has evolved until, with the teachings of Ryonin, Honen Shonin, and Shinran in Japan, this concept finally came to fruit in the belief in Amida Buddha.

line 224: Among these believers it is taught that the soul, upon experiencing death, may elect to enjoy a sojourn in Paradise prior to entering Nirvana, the ultimate of existence. It is proclaimed that this new salvation is attained by faith in the divine mercies and loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the west. In their philosophy, the Amidists hold to an Infinite Reality which is beyond all finite mortal comprehension; in their religion, they cling to faith in the all-merciful Amida, who so loves the world that he will not suffer one mortal who calls on his name in true faith and with a pure heart to fail in the attainment of the supernal happiness of Paradise.
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Here is the fragment I was speaking about.

The great strength of Buddhism is that its adherents are free to choose truth from all religions; such freedom of choice has seldom characterized a Urantian faith. In this respect the Shin sect of Japan has become one of the most progressive religious groups in the world; it has revived the ancient missionary spirit of Gautama's followers and has begun to send teachers to other peoples. This willingness to appropriate truth from any and all sources is indeed a commendable tendency to appear among religious believers during the first half of the twentieth century after Christ.

Buddhism itself is undergoing a twentieth-century renaissance. Through contact with Christianity the social aspects of Buddhism have been greatly enhanced. The desire to learn has been rekindled in the hearts of the monk priests of the brotherhood, and the spread of education throughout this faith will be certainly provocative of new advances in religious evolution.

At the time of this writing, much of Asia rests its hope in Buddhism. Will this noble faith, that has so valiantly carried on through the dark ages of the past, once again receive the truth of expanded cosmic realities even as the disciples of the great teacher in India once listened to his proclamation of new truth? Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?

All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus.

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So please consider this proposal. This journey was foreseen in the 1600 century and its is the Targum as seen that emanates out of the Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf. A Targum is an interpretation. Everything in this journey was foreseen in all the books.

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See the response eh!

I saw this "Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which it has so long searched?" Is this prophetic and is in harmony with the current action in the journey??

and this why this sect is seen as a successful sect from what I can see because of this

 

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The desire to learn has been rekindled in the hearts of the monk priests of the brotherhood, and the spread of education throughout this faith will be certainly provocative of new advances in religious evolution.



Like in this journey, it may that this Shin Sect maybe used for the Fathers purpose because of the above attitude and is foreseen in advancing, the main keyword was "will be" looking forward. It may serve as a lesson to the current unbending Monotheistic religions.

Well today I virtually was told that I go to Hell by Islam and they back out of the conversation. There you go! That's the current situation.

That's right, "The hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus."

That's right the hour is striking in more ways than one.

All highlights associated in one fragment makes you think is it by design and it seems to give guidance as to the current action. It might very well come from the East who knows.  I notice that Islam isn't specifically mentioned!



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What! that is very very strange.

It appears to be personal, Obviously what jerked the book out of your wife's hand was trying to say something looking at the symbolism of it.

That really amazes me, Im really contemplating what's going on. The only way I can think about it is in accordance to my own journey and realizations to the ancient places. Im no expert at poltergeist occurrences.

The way I see it is through the symbolism that I am familiar with. Like the pitcher breaking in the same timeline as me discovering the destroyer prediction in the video reciting the Kolbrin Book prophecy. I heard that sentence, it really stood out to me and the first thought is when you posted the pitcher episode. I recalled the Destroyer video. Like perhaps a Omen for mankind.

Now we have a book virtually yanked out of your wife's hand whilst reading a sentence and the disappears only to be discovered under the bed.

To me again, when I look at the symbolism its about books and to me it relates to the journey and its about the books to the ancient places and to think that our journey is about books and what's written in them, its all about the Books what's leading man into a truthful daily journey and in my journey to the submerged cities of truth and also how we disagree on something's.

Brig I have an idea right an experiment. Know you dont have believe anything I propose, about Atlantis and what I think. Why dont you and your wife together read the Urantia Book just read it, you dont have to believe it or to follow it. There could be some thing in the symbolism that may occur and to what it could mean. Lets see if it marries in some way and in way we can identify it and it can be proven.

It could either two in my mind The Last Rebel creating mischief or it could be the Midwayers close to you trying prod you in to a certain direction.

Well I dont know I mean it just what I feel and Im the only that has attempted to find the truth of the matter in truth.

Even though we have different idea we brother of the Lord and we have to find the reasons of things if we can and I feel that require a wider way of considerations.

Pretty a book vanishing in mid air under the bed.

The missing light globe could mean Loss of light perhaps not seeing the truth in something maybe! missing the point.

Broken pitcher could mean an earth changing event that rocks everything, personal preparation in spirit with new considerations.

Book vanishing could mean perhaps a change of reading material is recommended in a way that involves you in a journey that your 2 seraphim's and perhaps midwayers find that you may find interesting and perhaps more relevant in the larger scheme of things.

If you decide to look at the book you dont have tell or make that known, that your personal thing.

But keep in touch with goings on. I suppose you could call demon slaying preacher to come to the house and devour the presence but, personally I dont think that will make much difference. Try it if you like.

But anyway all the best with your symbol journey and very strange goings on in your house.

Everyone is different and their journey is unique from what I can see.

Another thing Brig, I believe we are in the end Times in for great change and many of these personal things will happen to people in their own way as the angels are more active and are attempting to help people and wake people up.

Whilst we view in shallow terms ghosts and all that maybe there is much going on in the spiritual remembering that before the arrival of the King of Kings many things are being prepared and people are being warned in there own way but because is they are not sensitive to these things he becomes asleep. These pheonomena are probably necessary for them to happen to make people think on higher levels perhaps.

Lets face it Brig with a thread named Haunting you really asked for it didn't you.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

also the first Sections of the Urantia Book was written in one night where the papers virtually materialized. Now considering your wife's book dematerialized only to materialize under the bed to me is a signature of an archangel and if you read the time of Jesus after his resurrection and see who the spiritual personalities/angels where that dematerialized the physical body of Jesus then you will know the personalities who perhaps dematerialized your wife's book. Also angels have that ability to move things around but to dematerialize requires a few other personalities.

Maybe there is archangel working with you and your wife for the purpose of future things to come.

That's a little bit different and makes sense to me.

Hereis the Ub fragment

 

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After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Urantia midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus' physical body. This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the morontia form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. By the aid of certain morontia auxiliary personalities, the morontia form can be made at one time as of the spirit so that it can become indifferent to ordinary matter, while at another time it can become discernible and contactable to material beings, such as the mortals of the realm.
 


But you have read on for the rest

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Essentially its a dematerialization is an accelerated time, back and forth in time?? Time dimension whom personalities are in control of. Makes you wonder eh!

 

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The mortal remains of Jesus underwent the same natural process of elemental disintegration as characterizes all human bodies on earth except that, in point of time , this natural mode of dissolution was greatly accelerated , hastened to that point where it became well-nigh instantaneous.


speeding up time, dematerialization.

All the best
Sevens


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Hi Tisatashar

 

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However I see you haven't felt 'the fear of God' - yet.

My personal relationship with the One God of Paradise goes beyond fear and transcends into Love and which in turn transcends to love one another. I was led on a path in the books of religion, Islam believes in the One God of Paradise so do I.

In my personal relationship with God, I find he is not some being ready to pounce on man person. God is one of Love and desires to have a loving relationship with all man and I love him for many things and I really respect the Lord in leading me upon this most excellent adventure and I believe that God will demonstrate this for us in truth of the highest levels in the physical reality of verification. In life layed out a simple guide for us to follow and that is the 7 commands which one I hope will be discovered in the first city that lays in the Persian Gulf including 1Susa and Dilmun submerged North Eastern Persian Gulf Iran. But that commands are in our hearts in the love for one another.

That will be the proof of divine guidance. There is no other proof in the guidance going on in the planet. There is no other information like this journey to the cities of truth which was hidden but is now being revealed.

God will just do it, regardless what anyone thinks. I work for the Lord giving all the time to his work with zeal and dedication. I really love to do his work giving out to all man without division where my travels and discoveries led through the books and given real life. Also this not a religion or anew religion but a work that will enhance believers in their religions that will unify many things. In this journey no one asks to join anything. Not at all!

The reason I am here is to share my experience and so we can both test it out. I walking in faith of the One God of Paradise and I feel Im getting huge results that can be shared with all mankind, no matter his religion because there is much commonality that can unite all in this path through the abyss with safety.

Division is the work of the Last Rebel and I feel many things have been infiltrated by this rebel. He is very smart and cunning even most of the rebel planetary angels where beguiled by him. But his time is coming and Jesus is coming back to slay the lingering sophistry of this rebel, the rebel who brings in division in all things.

I mean look at the world around us, what a mess that division has brought us. I want Islam as well as Christianity to be successful and happy in the knowledge that the Great God is coming but I sense there will be a massive correction by the great God and first thing he will deal with is mans religion and the division we all have before us in the witness even within religion itself there is division that cut short mans destiny on this planet in space/time.

I tell you Christianity is heading for a great correction amongst their ranks and there is some false doctrine in the religion that man uses to manipulate others for self purposes and all that will be routed out. But Islam is also heading for a correction, by the Judges equally like Christianity. This period is a time of preparation of the oncoming correction that which is appearing.

The submerged cities are the great sign that the great God is coming including the Judges and the Most high and the whole compliment of Universal Paradise Government. They are giving us a demonstration in truth through the cities of the hidden in the Abyss, coming from the Sea. What else could the great sign be? There is no other sign on the planet that offers great truth for our time and there is additional readable information attached to the cities which becomes like a book of life that provides good information that can be verified in the discovery of truth.

There is nothing that man can do about this "the dye is cast" upon realisation and proclamation, it has been revealed and it makes no difference whether anyone believe this or not. Doesn't matter because God is going to act and if no one listens there will be great consequences. Its not about ritual its all about a personal relationship within God from within daily, in everyday things and the commands is the basis that keeps a man strong and in relationship with God in the simplest form, walking in faith daily with the Great God from within.

Discovering great truth is a real liberation and it sets me free and I am very happy with God and how he has led me in my journey to the cities and in the books of religion where I have documented my daily thoughts in the journal to the cities with other additional discoveries along the way. It is my witness of my relationship with the great God and look where it led me! Unbelievable what a beautiful God of the Highest experience and no one got hurt in the journey and it was all truthful and sincere and loving and dedicated daily using everything I could find without prejudice and bias focalized on the ancient cities, the ancient path of the tree of life literally!

Just note this will be the only point of contact of this journey with Islam through this thread. I do appreciate you allowing me here. If this branch is cut off I wont make further contact.  If there are things that occur that is beyond man understanding there will be no branch to interpret the symbolism based on the Targum in the timeline of things of the cities.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:29 pm

Hey no worries Arch Michael

Sometimes I just get discouraged.

Yes that's an interesting point about the smoking aspect of the verse Isaiah and also the "I have surnamed thee" part, that is very significant and could be only be by design also.

The thing the last messenger realizes, before the King of King comes is that his surname will reflect the journey of the final and great sign. He will see his surname extending back in metaphor in the journey in every aspect of the full name and the date of his birth, it also extends to the actual places from where the great legends came from. the Javan = Van = the Young. Abbas/Abbes = The Father/Mother and a leader of a spiritual community. You know stuff like that which I am so reluctant to reveal. Honestly, there is much more to the surname which could only be by design of the Father.

Anyway we can only go by faith in the journey and see where the Father leads us on a daily basis. All I know is that submerged cities and everything attached is the best thing and its found by Jesus loving people in a real sincere and honest way and the angels just love to work with people who are dedicated to the will the Father following Jesus' guidance and love.

Jesus will back up the Last messenger and Christianity can have the full fruits of this if they look into it and make changes because what I have been seeing on TV about Christianity and its hold over people through manipulation of scripture and some very false doctrine taking peoples personal sovereignty and natural personality away is appalling. Many leaders and elders will be very questionable for there actions upon others using scripture. I dont like to it but there are wolves in sheep clothing in Christianity and they wont survive if they dont correct themselves. Now is the time. Its not just Islam that will be corrected but Christianity in a even greater way.

Its a personal relationship with Jesus who asks nothing from the person but to have personal loving friendly relationship with him as a brother and friend and including the Father and to be part of the Kingdom of Heaven. Totally personal in truth, beauty and goodness. Not manipulation of scriptures with the motive of an income stream of 10% + including offerings and then using the funds to spread more fear and bribe from God to further manipulate others. All that will be routed out.

Its all by honesty and respecting all people with no motive of control, judgment and power over others its all through respect and love to obtain the best out of a person.

ArchMichael I have responded in other threads but Im the odd guy out. Im not in the mainstream that's why I keep to my threads generally.

All blessings, thanks for the encouragement.

Anyway I cant leave here as you know, you are my brothers that I have shared a part of my life with on daily basis. How could I leave eh! This is the family Jesus that we all part of.

I praise the Lord for ArchMichael and his friendship and contribution in these matters. thanks.

Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-27-2008 02:53 AM


Not from what I saw on a recent documentary using where people in religion use hell as a tool to fear the hell out of people to become a Christian.

Its about fear eh! whilst at the same time speaking about the Love of Jesus. How about 100% love and drop all the fear based stuff, especially when it comes to the tithe business.


Honestly there are some religious operations that are so oppressive over there congregation and who have total control of the congregation that go right against the teachings of Jesus.

Come on Brig you know this crap goes on all the time particularly behind closed doors.

What about Jim Jones eh! and his victims who no doubt everything they had under this guise of receive Sevenfold if you give. Because of his BS and influence over feeble minded people he killed them all.


Maybe those who do better financially are just applying better financial methods, simply!

Ive seen it myself at a bible college I attended where a man was forced to sell his house and give to the Lord.

Jesus and financial commerce should be completely separated and people should not be compelled to give all they have.

Here is what the UB says

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But there is no excuse for the involvement of the church in commerce and politics; such unholy alliances are a flagrant betrayal of the Master . And the genuine lovers of truth will be slow to forget that this powerful institutionalized church has often dared to smother newborn faith and persecute truth bearers who chanced to appear in unorthodox raiment
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Its so true that when money comes into the equation it corrupts. Exactly what is seen in many Christian Churches. Involved in the money stream by compulsion and also involved in politics influencing decisions like war.

I believe there is some false doctrine contained within Christianity from earlier evolutionary religions, Many aspects and perceptions of Christianity do come from earlier religions which were evolutionary and therefore neglecting the full message of Jesus in its simplest form.

 

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Hell

web page Early man entertained no ideas of hell or future punishment. The savage looked upon the future life as just like this one, minus all ill luck. Later on, a separate destiny for good ghosts and bad ghosts--heaven and hell-- was conceived . But since many primitive races believed that man entered the next life just as he left this one, they did not relish the idea of becoming old and decrepit. The aged much preferred to be killed before becoming too infirm.

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The habitual violation of a taboo became a vice; primitive law made vice a crime; religion made it a sin. Among the early tribes the violation of a taboo was a combined crime and sin. Community calamity was always regarded as punishment for tribal sin. To those who believed that prosperity and righteousness went together, the apparent prosperity of the wicked occasioned so much worry that it was necessary to invent hells for the punishment of taboo violators; the numbers of these places of future punishment have varied from one to five.
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Hell is a false doctrine which is a product of earlier evolutionary religion and was adopted by the early Christians as a compromise to fear the Hell out of people and to make Christianity acceptable amongst Pagan religions in evolutionary thought. Today we see many things like Easter, Christmas and Hell fire that Christianity perpetuates today but essentially its totally wrong.

Because Christianity is following some erroneous doctrine in the first instance, how could religion possibly make the right decisions if they are by and large ignorant of many facts following the evolutionary and part revelatory! A compromise of Jesus' truth within religion itself.

Mithra was a son of God who died and was resurrected and Jesus was seen in the same type.

Mithra was before Jesus. Many of the Catholic ideas of Saints actually came from Mithra itself. Its not the Jesus truth uncompromised. Actually many people dont even understand the history of what there listening to and the Churches I dont think even know itself that much of what there following comes from somewhere else.

Even the sacrifice idea is a product of evolutionary religion. All that came from an earlier religion and Christianity simply adopted it and made doctrine and dogma out of it and applied it to Jesus.


Sevens


Icon 1 posted 06-27-2008 04:34 AM


What is Christianity today and what was the compromise made to the Pagan religions?

 

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The early plan of Christian worship was largely taken over from the Jewish synagogue, modified by the Mithraic ritual; later on, much pagan pageantry was added. The backbone of the early Christian church consisted of Christianized Greek proselytes to Judaism.

The second century after Christ was the best time in all the world's history for a good religion to make progress in the Western world. During the first century Christianity had prepared itself, by struggle and compromise, to take root and rapidly spread. Christianity adopted the emperor; later, he adopted Christianity. This was a great age for the spread of a new religion. There was religious liberty; travel was universal and thought was untrammeled.

The spiritual impetus of nominally accepting Hellenized Christianity came to Rome too late to prevent the well-started moral decline or to compensate for the already well-established and increasing racial deterioration. This new religion was a cultural necessity for imperial Rome, and it is exceedingly unfortunate that it did not become a means of spiritual salvation in a larger sense. web page


Much to think about Christianity! In the End Times much will shocking in the revealing of the truth.

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As you view the world, remember that the black patches of evil which you see are shown against a white background of ultimate good. You do not view merely white patches of good which show up miserably against a black background of evil.

When there is so much good truth to publish and proclaim , why should men dwell so much upon the evil in the world just because it appears to be a fact? The beauties of the spiritual values of truth are more pleasurable and uplifting than is the phenomenon of evil .


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Scientists have unintentionally precipitated mankind into a materialistic panic; they have started an unthinking run on the moral bank of the ages, but this bank of human experience has vast spiritual resources; it can stand the demands being made upon it. Only unthinking men become panicky about the spiritual assets of the human race. When the materialistic-secular panic is over, the religion of Jesus will not be found bankrupt. The spiritual bank of the kingdom of heaven will be paying out faith, hope, and moral security to all who draw upon it "in His name."

No matter what the apparent conflict between materialism and the teachings of Jesus may be, you can rest assured that, in the ages to come, the teachings of the Master will fully triumph. In reality, true religion cannot become involved in any controversy with science; it is in no way concerned with material things. Religion is simply indifferent to, but sympathetic with, science, while it supremely concerns itself with the scientist
 


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But the Christians made a shrewd bargain with the pagans in that they adopted the ritualistic pageantry of the pagan while compelling the pagan to accept the Hellenized version of Pauline Christianity. They made a better bargain with the pagans than they did with the Mithraic cult, but even in that earlier compromise they came off more than conquerors in that they succeeded in eliminating the gross immoralities and also numerous other reprehensible practices of the Persian mystery.
 


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And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence--man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him. web page
 


The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind--the theology of authority--requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinctively shun the spirit struggles and mental uncertainties associated with those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul. web page
 


Doesn't this reflect the journey to the ancient places

Right here in the Urantia Book. I believe this is a great clue in metaphor reflecting in type to where the physical truth will be found in the Seas leading to new and widening spiritual reality. Exactly pointing to this journey to the ancient places in Jesus' own words.

 

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those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:58 am

Ahh looks like we are all the odd guys ahahahah

I believe this is a great clue in metaphor reflecting in type to where the physical truth will be found, in the Seas leading to new and widening spiritual reality. Exactly pointing to this journey to the ancient places submerged in the Sea

The fragment is in Jesus' own words.

 

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those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul

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I reckon Im absolutely right in what's been said and its reflected in Jesus' words of the Ub today. Surely this is a great confirmation by Jesus, confirming this journey today in his reflections 2000 years ago.

Confirmation of this journey in type and in description, Jesus was looking forward to this time NOW in the journey to the ancient cities.

You know Jesus was an guy out to 2000 years ago.


Praise the Lord!
Sevens
 


Icon 1 posted 06-27-2008 06:20 AM


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The mystery religions spelled the end of national beliefs and resulted in the birth of the numerous personal cults. The mysteries were many but were all characterized by:



1. Some mythical legend, a mystery--whence their name. As a rule this mystery pertained to the story of some god's life and death and return to life, as illustrated by the teachings of Mithraism, which, for a time, were contemporary with, and a competitor of, Paul's rising cult of Christianity.

2. The mysteries were nonnational and interracial. They were personal and fraternal, giving rise to religious brotherhoods and numerous sectarian societies.

3. They were, in their services, characterized by elaborate ceremonies of initiation and impressive sacraments of worship. Their secret rites and rituals were sometimes gruesome and revolting.

4. But no matter what the nature of their ceremonies or the degree of their excesses, these mysteries invariably promised their devotees salvation, "deliverance from evil, survival after death, and enduring life in blissful realms beyond this world of sorrow and slavery."



But do not make the mistake of confusing the teachings of Jesus with the mysteries. The popularity of the mysteries reveals man's quest for survival, thus portraying a real hunger and thirst for personal religion and individual righteousness. Although the mysteries failed adequately to satisfy this longing, they did prepare the way for the subsequent appearance of Jesus, who truly brought to this world the bread of life and the water thereof.

Paul, in an effort to utilize the widespread adherence to the better types of the mystery religions, made certain adaptations of the teachings of Jesus so as to render them more acceptable to a larger number of prospective converts. But even Paul's compromise of Jesus' teachings (Christianity) was superior to the best in the mysteries in that:



1. Paul taught a moral redemption, an ethical salvation. Christianity pointed to a new life and proclaimed a new ideal. Paul forsook magic rites and ceremonial enchantments.

2. Christianity presented a religion which grappled with final solutions of the human problem, for it not only offered salvation from sorrow and even from death, but it also promised deliverance from sin followed by the endowment of a righteous character of eternal survival qualities.


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3. The mysteries were built upon myths. Christianity, as Paul preached it, was founded upon a historic fact: the bestowal of Michael, the Son of God, upon mankind.

 


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Icon 1 posted 06-27-2008 06:43 AM


About Tyre. Who were the Tyrians?

 

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4. AT TYRE
From July 11 to July 24 they taught in Tyre. Each of the apostles took with him one of the evangelists, and thus two and two they taught and preached in all parts of Tyre and its environs. The polyglot population of this busy seaport heard them gladly, and many were baptized into the outward fellowship of the kingdom. Jesus maintained his headquarters at the home of a Jew named Joseph, a believer, who lived three or four miles south of Tyre, not far from the tomb of Hiram who had been king of the city-state of Tyre during the times of David and Solomon.

Daily, for this period of two weeks, the apostles and evangelists entered Tyre by way of Alexander's mole to conduct small meetings, and each night most of them would return to the encampment at Joseph's house south of the city. Every day believers came out from the city to talk with Jesus at his resting place. The Master spoke in Tyre only once, on the afternoon of July 20, when he taught the believers concerning the Father's love for all mankind and about the mission of the Son to reveal the Father to all races of men. There was such an interest in the gospel of the kingdom among these gentiles that, on this occasion, the doors of the Melkarth temple were opened to him, and it is interesting to record that in subsequent years a Christian church was built on the very site of this ancient temple.

Many of the leaders in the manufacture of Tyrian purple, the dye that made Tyre and Sidon famous the world over, and which contributed so much to their world-wide commerce and consequent enrichment, believed in the kingdom. When, shortly thereafter, the supply of the sea animals which were the source of this dye began to diminish, these dye makers went forth in search of new habitats of these shellfish. And thus migrating to the ends of the earth, they carried with them the message of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man--the gospel of the kingdom. web page
 


I wonder where the Tyrians migrated to?
 

It appears the Tyrians are the Phoenicians.

About the Melkarth temple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melqart

 

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[edit] Archaeological evidence
Archaeological evidence for Melqart's cult is first found in Tyre and seems to have spread westward with the Phoenician colonies established by Tyre as well as eventually overshadowing the worship of Eshmun in Sidon, The name of Melqart was invoked in oaths sanctioning contracts, according to Dr. Aubet, thus it was customary to build a temple to Melqart, as protector of Tyrian traders, in each new Phoenician colony : at Cadiz , the temple to Melqart is as early as the earliest vestiges of Phoenician occupation. (The Greeks followed a parallel practise in respect to their Heracles.) Carthage even sent a yearly tribute of 10% of the public treasury to the god in Tyre up until the Hellenistic period .

In Tyre, the high priest of Melqart ranked second only to the king. Many names in Carthage reflected this importance of Melqart, for example, the names Hamilcar and Bomilcar; but Ba‘al or Ba‘l as a name-element in Carthaginian names such as Hasdrubal and Hannibal almost certainly does not refer to Melqart but either to Ba‘al HAmman (the chief god of Carthage, a god identified by Greeks with Cronus and by Romans with Saturn) or is simply used as a title (Ba‘al or Ba‘l literally meaning Lord).

Melqart protected the Punic areas of Sicily such as Ras Melqart 'Cape of Melqart', where his head, indistinguishable from a Heracles, appears on locally-minted coins of the 4th century B.C.
 


Sevens


Post The Odd Guys Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:42 am

I find it interesting that between ArchMichael, Chaparo and Myself, we have our personal views based against the ideas of the mainstream, in that light we all the odd guy out.

I think that is beautiful as it demonstrates that even though we have varying ideas we can still talk and share thoughts and ideas and build brotherhood. A brotherhood with the commonality of Jesus within but with varying ideas that we share and explore.


I think being the odd guy out in this case says quite alot and demonstrates how we all thirst for truth and righteousness in a honest way in by sharing and exploring together all the truths.

But I have to say in the End Times as things demonstrate much man made Doctrine and Dogma will undergo a grueling experience and much will be smashed. Anything that doesn't represent the truth of Jesus in truth will be smashed. Not a physical war or anything but smashed by the truth and the witness.

This was also seen in revelation concerning the Seven Churches related to the Sevenfold Mystery.

Sevens


 


Post The Odd Guys

I find it interesting that between ArchMichael, Chaparo and Myself, we have our personal views based against the ideas of the mainstream, in that light we all the odd guy out.

I think that is beautiful as it demonstrates that even though we have varying ideas we can still talk and share thoughts and ideas and build brotherhood. A brotherhood with the commonality of Jesus within but with varying ideas that we share and explore.


I think being the odd guy out in this case says quite alot and demonstrates how we all thirst for truth and righteousness in a honest way in by sharing and exploring together all the truths.

But I have to say in the End Times as things demonstrate much man made Doctrine and Dogma will undergo a grueling experience and much will be smashed. Anything that doesn't represent the truth of Jesus in truth will be smashed. Not a physical war or anything but smashed by the truth and the witness.

This was also seen in revelation concerning the Seven Churches related to the Sevenfold Mystery.

One thing though when money gets involved in Christianity things get awfully corrupted within man. This is where the problem has been with Christianity, Money and Power and Politics. I think they should steer away from that and only concern themselves with the spiritual welfare of man in truth. I feel the Christianity is still immature to handle Money, power, Commerce and Politics. Even Jesus got upset with the Money changers within the Central Banking system of the Temple who monopolized the Shekel temple currency. Christianity have to update their truth but that is very challenging particularly when Commerce and politics are involved.

I think Christianity have to really look at itself in light of the discovery and journey and fix up there doctrines and look to the origins of their doctrine and locate error, evolutionary as opposed to revelatory truth and take out these false doctrine which I feel exists and has done for thousands of years.

Honestly, there is error and it has to be routed out before the King comes or else the King will take it out himself like in the temple and the money changer scene. That was a reflection of Judgment Day.

Honestly, I want Christianity, the whole body to be successfull that's why I say these things so the body is healthy and vibrant sensitive to truth without fear! So when the last are gathered in the final final stand we will be victorious and uplifted in the truth and absolutely confident in the journey of self realisation and discovery. Seeking new spiritual frontiers of higher realities that await us in truth. Seeking distant shorelines of cities of the truth of our origins with the help of a new document written in the hands of Father in Paradise that can be tested and can be verified in the physical demonstration.

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line 108: The religion of Jesus is the most dynamic influence ever to activate the human race. Jesus shattered tradition, destroyed dogma, and called mankind to the achievement of its highest ideals in time and eternity--to be perfect, even as the Father in heaven is perfect.


Jesus here is very severe about unholy alliances, this for the church in the correction.
 

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line 269: But there is no excuse for the involvement of the church in commerce and politics; such unholy alliances are a flagrant betrayal of the Master. And the genuine lovers of truth will be slow to forget that this powerful institutionalized church has often dared to smother newborn faith and persecute truth bearers who chanced to appear in unorthodox raiment.



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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:49 am

 

Christianity is an extemporized religion, and therefore must it operate in low gear. High-gear spiritual performances must await the new revelation and the more general acceptance of the real religion of Jesus. But Christianity is a mighty religion, seeing that the commonplace disciples of a crucified carpenter set in motion those teachings which conquered the Roman world in three hundred years and then went on to triumph over the barbarians who overthrew Rome. This same Christianity conquered--absorbed and exalted--the whole stream of Hebrew theology and Greek philosophy. And then, when this Christian religion became comatose for more than a thousand years as a result of an overdose of mysteries and paganism, it resurrected itself and virtually reconquered the whole Western world. Christianity contains enough of Jesus' teachings to immortalize it.

If Christianity could only grasp more of Jesus' teachings, it could do so much more in helping modern man to solve his new and increasingly complex problems.

Christianity suffers under a great handicap because it has become identified in the minds of all the world as a part of the social system, the industrial life, and the moral standards of Western civilization; and thus has Christianity unwittingly seemed to sponsor a society which staggers under the guilt of tolerating science without idealism, politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without restraint, knowledge without character, power without conscience, and industry without morality.

The hope of modern Christianity is that it should cease to sponsor the social systems and industrial policies of Western civilization while it humbly bows itself before the cross it so valiantly extols, there to learn anew from Jesus of Nazareth the greatest truths mortal man can ever hear--the living gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.

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The great hope of Urantia lies in the possibility of a new revelation of Jesus with a new and enlarged presentation of his saving message which would spiritually unite in loving service the numerous families of his present-day professed followers.

Even secular education could help in this great spiritual renaissance if it would pay more attention to the work of teaching youth how to engage in life planning and character progression. The purpose of all education should be to foster and further the supreme purpose of life, the development of a majestic and well-balanced personality. There is great need for the teaching of moral discipline in the place of so much self-gratification. Upon such a foundation religion may contribute its spiritual incentive to the enlargement and enrichment of mortal life, even to the security and enhancement of life eternal



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"The kingdom of God is within you" was probably the greatest pronouncement Jesus ever made, next to the declaration that his Father is a living and loving spirit.

In winning souls for the Master, it is not the first mile of compulsion, duty, or convention that will transform man and his world, but rather the second mile of free service and liberty-loving devotion that betokens the Jesusonian reaching forth to grasp his brother in love and sweep him on under spiritual guidance toward the higher and divine goal of mortal existence. Christianity even now willingly goes the first mile, but mankind languishes and stumbles along in moral darkness because there are so few genuine second-milers--so few professed followers of Jesus who really live and love as he taught his disciples to live and love and serve.

 


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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:23 am

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The theme of Jesus' teaching on Mount Gerizim was: That he wants all men to see God as a Father-friend just as he (Jesus) is a brother-friend. And again and again he impressed upon them that love is the greatest relationship in the world--in the universe--just as truth is the greatest pronouncement of the observation of these divine relationships.
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Icon 1 posted 06-28-2008 04:04 AM


Word search on New and Enlarged UB

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Have I not told you all these years that my kingdom is not of this world? The things which you now look down upon are coming to an end, but this will be a new beginning out of which the gospel of the kingdom will go to all the world and this salvation will spread to all peoples. And when the kingdom shall have come to its full fruition be assured that the Father in heaven will not fail to visit you with an enlarged revelation of truth and an enhanced demonstration of righteousness,

"You behold me now in weakness and in the flesh, but when I return, it shall be with power and in the spirit. The eye of flesh beholds the Son of Man in the flesh, but only the eye of the spirit will behold the Son of Man glorified by the Father and appearing on earth in his own name.

"But the times of the reappearing of the Son of Man are known only in the councils of Paradise; not even the angels of heaven know when this will occur. However, you should understand that, when this gospel of the kingdom shall have been proclaimed to all the world for the salvation of all peoples, and when the fullness of the age has come to pass , the Father will send you another dispensational bestowal, or else the Son of Man will return to adjudge the age.


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Fullness of Ages could very well be the revealing and understanding of the Ages as in the journey and verification of the submerged cities of the tree of life and note else the Son of Man will return to adjudge the age.  This points precisely to Judgment Day!!  Where all man will be adjudged according to his life witness and based on the standards of the opened books that are opened in the last days when the Sevenfold Mystery or the Seventh mystery is call in as complete by the Sevenfold Seraphic Angel of the Sevenfold teaching mission sponsored by the Ancient of Days which would fall under the direct jurisdiction of Paradise direct to the Father.
 

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

and here is a very important fragment for current Christianity in this moment of time.

 

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The time is ripe to witness the figurative resurrection of the human Jesus from his burial tomb amidst the theological traditions and the religious dogmas of nineteen centuries. Jesus of Nazareth must not be longer sacrificed to even the splendid concept of the glorified Christ. What a transcendent service if, through this revelation, the Son of Man should be recovered from the tomb of traditional theology and be presented as the living Jesus to the church that bears his name, and to all other religions! Surely the Christian fellowship of believers will not hesitate to make such adjustments of faith and of practices of living as will enable it to "follow after" the Master in the demonstration of his real life of religious devotion to the doing of his Father's will and of consecration to the unselfish service of man.

Do professed Christians fear the exposure of a self-sufficient and unconsecrated fellowship of social respectability and selfish economic maladjustment? Does institutional Christianity fear the possible jeopardy, or even the overthrow, of traditional ecclesiastical authority if the Jesus of Galilee is reinstated in the minds and souls of mortal men as the ideal of personal religious living? Indeed, the social readjustments, the economic transformations, the moral rejuvenations, and the religious revisions of Christian civilization would be drastic and
revolutionary if the living religion of Jesus should suddenly supplant the theologic religion about Jesus



All very challenging for Christianity at this time.

Im not sure if Christianity could make these adjustment as its too entrenched in all kinds of things. That's why there is probably a Judgment Day!


Sevens


line 92: "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and be led to glorify your Father who is in heaven."

line 69:           A warrior king always entered a city riding upon a horse; a king on a mission of peace and friendship always entered riding upon an ass. Jesus would not enter Jerusalem as a man on horseback, but he was willing to enter peacefully and with good will as the Son of Man on a donkey.

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line 35: Urantia society can never hope to settle down as in past ages. The social ship has steamed out of the sheltered bays of established tradition and has begun its cruise upon the high seas of evolutionary destiny; and the soul of man, as never before in the world's history, needs carefully to scrutinize its charts of morality and painstakingly to observe the compass of religious guidance. The paramount mission of religion as a social influence is to stabilize the ideals of mankind during these dangerous times of transition from one phase of civilization to another, from one level of culture to another

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:08 pm

Hi

From what I can see the UB doesn't refer specially in details about the last messenger but does contain the paths to the construct. However all the references to the last messenger is contained in fragment from is in the all the books like the Bible, many books of the Dead Sea scrolls, The Seven pearls (St Ephraim), Jane Lead, John Gill, book of Enoch, Odes of Solomon, Burach and Nostradamus and many more books. They all contain aspects of the Last messengers journey and lays the path for the Last messenger to identify himself as he moved through the books in his focalization and journey. The last messenger actually is living the scriptures as a living experience but he has no idea that it is he but he suspect so as he finds many things that he found common and reflects his reality in the journey. The last messenger is focalized on the Seventh Mystery and by following the hidden tracks he finds himself in the realisation the last end time construct he simply came across in a natural progression.

The Last messenger has no idea that its is he, only when he comes to end of his personal journey in the construct of the final sign he realises these things. The Last messenger also travels along paths that no one has any idea about and the knowledge he discovers and serves are paths never not known and he is successful in the eyes of the Father.

He reveals the truth on the run as in a on the fly Targum which I believe emanates from the Sea, we works for the Messiahs personally and exclusively. He is not part of any organized religion but an individual religionist, between him and the Father and with Jesus in real friendship.

The Last messengers document becomes the ark of the testament and is the Noah's Ark in truth for the latter days. He is truthful and honest and pleases the Father, He is bruised and battered of past events as a result of poor decisions that still linger in the background of his mind and he has suffered depression from that.


He forgets himself in his walk and the Father is the person to sustain him, his isolated in the work, he gets the message across with out his lips moving. He is heard.

People close to him rip him of and rob him and take advantage of his good nature and eat his own food. People think he is crazy or an odd guy out. No one really accepts him and his work.

He walks in faith with the Lord, the Lord help him because they really love him and his is a good faith Son brother. He does the best job that he can do in his focalization. He is broke and works to keep his office of the Lord open purely, that's all he works for, single minded and single handedly he changes the world with his journey. He has no interest in public profile and doesn't want to reveal himself, reluctant but that he might have to go public but prefers to be in the background just working with the Lord.

The last messenger does get angry at times at injustice and untruth and says what he says and doesn't care what people think, he praises the Lord openly regardless.

It could very well be that at the end of his journey, he maybe called up to walk with the Sons of God, this may infer a translation as his thought adjuster and personality fuses together as one. He is refers to a the little Jacob who brings back Israel, the little Sabbath or Seven.

The loss of a relationship in the early part of his journey was a great loss which had great effect on the person and is reflected in the Mystery of Solomon in St Ephraim where he is the bright spark and the love of his life is Sheba another Seven. It is through this that he becomes real bruised, He follows the books as his refuge because the books are the only things that uplift up and set him straight in his emotions. He makes discoveries everyday on different levels and share his discoveries with his brothers instantly, for no price or reward.

He understand that his journey and discoveries forms the all time presentation of mankind which is shared without want or selfishness, he speaks to other religions about his journey in the hope that it helps but in the main his is rejected because of overreligionisation and fear based doctrines used against man.


 

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22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.




He realizes that many people in religion are in the prison houses of doctrine and dogma and he wishes to release them with his work. From the start he desired to make a connection or a path to Christianity concerning his journey because, on the whole he still loves his brothers and had many good experiences with his brothers of the Christian faith and he wants them to be successfull and is loyal to his brothers. His work of the last messenger is made in the wilderness in isolation he becomes lonely being on his own but again the Lord sustains him and does make him strong and at the end of the day the Lord will back him up and his work will be highly successfull for the spirit is strong in him and he has a real personal relationship with the Father who loves him as a friend.

The Last messenger worships and speaks to the Father all the time and everyday is like a Sabbath, every time the last messenger makes a discovery up goes praise and glory to Father in Heaven.

Praise the Lord in the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Father every morning awakes and Rouses the Last messenger, the first thoughts of the Last messenger in his first morning contemplation is the journey and thoughts enter the mind. After that, out of bed he start the computer to scribe for the Lord of Lords. The Most High his friend! The work from that point on can go for 18 hours of contemplation, writing, researching, searching, more writing, this discovery, that discovery, day in day day out, hour by hour. At the end of the day the last messenger can continue but knows he has to rest his mind and sleeps very soundly and deeply and with great rest he is ready for another 18hrs ahahahaha with heaps of cups of tea out of his Sevenringed cup like Jamshids cup reflecting the cup of immortality like in the Holy Grail on the path of the tree of life.

The Last Messenger makes petition to the Ancient of Days throughout various times of his journey and he discovers that his petitions and requests made to the Ancients of Days are heard and this reassurance is given as he discovers in the books down in the timeline.

At the age of about 9 the Last Messenger used to read the Psalms and Proverbs by himself and used to pray to the Father and wanted to be the wisest man in the world like Solomon. This happened for sometime but then life too over but those early thoughts have always been on the mind of the Last messenger more so during his journey. How faithful is Father for his children even from these early years to now and here we are on the verge of the greatest revelation in physical discovery supping of the tree of life walking with the Father as a friend pursuant of truth and discovery that sets the destiny of mankind for the new world.

Praise the Lord in all his faithfulness and love.

What a Great God and Father and Mother, brother and friend.

I read a few days ago a Jewish parable about a boat going out to the sea and find a great fish and then they get on the fish and build a fire and then the fish turns over because of the fire. But the people on the fish swam to the boat of safety and survived.

Im not sure what others think but in the journey to the ancient places I was used to fly and find fish and in one year I did this I found the Urantia Book at out sea and read all of it and even then I dedicated myself to find the ancient places and 2 years later I found the path to the 1stEden expeditions. In that year It was a record year where in one Jag we caught 400 tons of Tuna and I used to think at that time "today a fishermen of fish, tomorrow a fisherman of men" and looks where its at concerning the ancient places and religion.

I wonder if that parable is direct type to this journey to the ancient places considering the UB for me was found at sea in the reading and a dedication was made in faith to the cities of truth. This is about 14 years ago a dual sevens and here we are today in the reflection of the realisation in the journey to the ancient places.

Mind you today what was found at sea is building a fire, a fire of truth and will cause many changes like the Fish turning over.  As things change there is boat of safety where all can survive, the boat of truth discovering a great fish of truth and the fire causes changes on a planetary scale.  Yes and thanks God that there is boat or Ark of safety like in Noah's Day.



Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

I was listening to this video submitted by Speaking Rock

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

The speaker makes reference to this group of verses

 

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15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.



I was interested in this fragment
"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:" I was particularly drawn to comment "neither on the Sabbath day" I wondering if this relates to the construct of confirmation of the Seventh journey to the cities of truth being the catalyst in my mind of the a great change and the beginning of some truth and faith tribulations marked by the Seventh Day, the Sevenfold day, completion of the Seventh mystery being on the Seventh Day or the Sabbath Day. After the completion of the Seventh Day/Seventh Mystery maybe during a winter season the tribulation begins.

It appears that there is regret for those who miss the Seventh Day/Sabbath Day. The Sabbath Day appears to be a particular event relating to the Seven and I wouldn't be surprised that its related to the Sevenfold day of completion in the great mystery. Remember Gods Little Seven or Sabbath has is day of victory in the
truth of his testament. Its Gods and the little Sabbath or Seven day or little Jacobs day by the well of Jacob together in the great Seventh/Sabbath day accomplishment!

The Nostradamus quatrains have been in the back of mind
 

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74
The year of the great seventh number accomplished, (Sevenfold day)
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter: (Olympic games)
Not far from the great millennial age,
(2008)
When the buried will go out from their tombs.
Great change, dispensational change. Age of the Messiahs.

and one a direct reference to Dilmun or Atlantis

97
The forces of the sea divided into three parts, = 3 locations
The second one will run out of supplies, = (2 expeditions to 1stEden, 2nd expedition lack of supply, money)
In despair looking for the Elysian Fields, ( Elysian fields, the land of the Sons of God, direct reference and discovered in this journey of the Seven and Dilmun is also associated with the Elysian fields and is the location of Atlantis)
The first ones to enter the breach will obtain the victory. (the first to find the truth of the matter regarding the cities makes the victory.)

and the breach is described by Isaiah and associated with the Sevenfold

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Isaiah 30:26 (Read all of Isaiah 30)

Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
 



And that Day is the Seventh Day or the Sabbath Day a day of rest and final confirmation for the elect but it wont be for those have no faith there will be much disappointment.

And here is some other details of the repairer of the breach which I believe concerns the Last Messenger

 

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Isaiah 58:12

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
 



The above is all about the last messenger and has all reflections of the journey to the ancient places building on the old wasted places of many generations. This journey!.


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:43 am

We are entering in truth, the physical locations of where the breaches occurred. In the discovery of them and truth we are at the same time repairing the breach of ages past in truth.
 

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Amos 9:11

In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:



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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:18 am

No problem

I was wondering what you thought of the chapter

 

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Psalm 2
The Reign of the LORD's Anointed
2Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.



Does the above highlight speaks of the 2nd coming of Jesus or about the Last messenger, I would say Jesus but the uttermost parts of the earth sounds intriguing especially in light of the submerged cities and would this be related to a sudden event??

But then here is UB view of this verse.

 

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"Today you see this fulfilled before your eyes. But you shall not see the remainder of the Psalmist's prophecy fulfilled, for he entertained erroneous ideas about the Son of Man and his mission on earth. My kingdom is founded on love, proclaimed in mercy, and established by unselfish service. My Father does not sit in heaven laughing in derision at the heathen. He is not wrathful in his great displeasure. True is the promise that the Son shall have these so-called heathen (in reality his ignorant and untaught brethren) for an inheritance. And I will receive these gentiles with open arms of mercy and affection. All this loving-kindness shall be shown the so-called heathen, notwithstanding the unfortunate declaration of the record which intimates that the triumphant Son `shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.' The Psalmist exhorted you to `serve the Lord with fear'--I bid you enter into the exalted privileges of divine sonship by faith; he commands you to rejoice with trembling; I bid you rejoice with assurance. He says, `Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish when his wrath is kindled.' But you who have lived with me well know that anger and wrath are not a part of the establishment of the kingdom of heaven in the hearts of men. But the Psalmist did glimpse the true light when, in finishing this exhortation, he said: `Blessed are they who put their trust in this Son.'"



and here is another related fragment

 

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The idea of battle, contention, and slaughter was repugnant to Jesus; he would have none of it. He would appear on earth as the Prince of Peace to reveal a God of love. Before his baptism he had again refused the offer of the Zealots to lead them in rebellion against the Roman oppressors. And now he made his final decision regarding those Scriptures which his mother had taught him, such as: "The Lord has said to me, `You are my Son; this day have I begotten you. Ask of me, and I will give you the heathen for your inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; you shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.'"

Jesus of Nazareth reached the conclusion that such utterances did not refer to him. At last, and finally, the human mind of the Son of Man made a clean sweep of all these Messianic difficulties and contradictions--Hebrew scriptures,

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parental training, chazan teaching, Jewish expectations, and human ambitious longings; once and for all he decided upon his course. He would return to Galilee and quietly begin the proclamation of the kingdom and trust his Father (the Personalized Adjuster) to work out the details of procedure day by day.

So if the above verse doesn't refer to the Jesus then it must refer to someone else or else its a gross error!

and this

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Most of the so-called Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament were made to apply to Jesus long after his life had been lived on earth. For centuries the Hebrew prophets had proclaimed the coming of a deliverer, and these promises had been construed by successive generations as referring to a new Jewish ruler who would sit upon the throne of David and, by the reputed miraculous methods

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of Moses, proceed to establish the Jews in Palestine as a powerful nation, free from all foreign domination. Again, many figurative passages found throughout the Hebrew scriptures were subsequently misapplied to the life mission of Jesus. Many Old Testament sayings were so distorted as to appear to fit some episode of the Master's earth life. Jesus himself onetime publicly denied any connection with the royal house of David. Even the passage, "a maiden shall bear a son," was made to read, "a virgin shall bear a son." This was also true of the many genealogies of both Joseph and Mary which were constructed subsequent to Michael's career on earth. Many of these lineages contain much of the Master's ancestry, but on the whole they are not genuine and may not be depended upon as factual. The early followers of Jesus all too often succumbed to the temptation to make all the olden prophetic utterances appear to find fulfillment in the life of their Lord and Master.


You can see in the above that the perception of the Jewish nation was limited to national pride, However I found this fragment interesting "--rather than for the salvation of the world. " Perhaps the real Messiah could be concern for the Salvation of the world. Could the Messiah be the Melchizedek?? concerning the Salvation of the world.

 

and this

 

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In the course of this year Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch which influenced him in the later adoption of the term "Son of Man" as a designation for his bestowal mission on Urantia. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah. He longed to help his father's people, but he never expected to lead Jewish armies in overthrowing the foreign domination of Palestine. He knew he would never sit on the throne of David at Jerusalem. Neither did he believe that his mission was that of a spiritual deliverer or moral teacher solely to the Jewish people. In no sense, therefore, could his life mission be the fulfillment of the intense longings and supposed Messianic prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures; at least, not as the Jews understood these predictions of the prophets. Likewise he was certain he was never to appear as the Son of Man depicted by the Prophet Daniel .



Then must we look in the Book of Enoch to find the best description of the Coming Messiah!

 

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While turning all these problems over in his mind, he found in the synagogue library at Nazareth, among the apocalyptic books which he had been studying, this manuscript called "The Book of Enoch"; and though he was certain that it had not been written by Enoch of old, it proved very intriguing to him, and he read and reread it many times. There was one passage which particularly impressed him, a passage in which this term "Son of Man" appeared. The writer of this so-called Book of Enoch went on to tell about this Son of Man, describing the work he would do on earth and explaining that this Son of Man, before coming down on this earth to bring salvation to mankind, had walked through the courts of heavenly glory with his Father, the Father of all; and that he had turned his back upon all this grandeur and glory to come down on earth to proclaim salvation to needy mortals. As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title "the Son of Man." And this he did when he subsequently began his public work. Jesus had an unerring ability for the recognition of truth, and truth he never hesitated to embrace, no matter from what source it appeared to emanate

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/book_of_enoch.htm

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Messianic&submit=Submit

The key would be to cut out all the eastern mysticism and see what's left concerning the Son of Man and Michael and see what's left. This may give an accurate insight of the role of the Son of man.

The book of Parables has many references of the Son of man, I would suggest a word search on the Son of man at the below link. You will see what Jesus gravitated to regarding the description of the Messiah.

http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/eth ... rables.htm

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Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:46 pm

Here are some fragments concerning the Son of Man from Enoch. I believe that this is the most accurate description of the son of Man that Jesus gravitated to. Look at it from the ancient places point of view regarding the hidden treasures, the submerged cities.

http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/eth ... rables.htm

 

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Chapter 46
1 And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.
2 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that 3 Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:
This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,
 


 

and the following sounds like judgment

 

Quote:

4 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]
And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.



and this which may have indirect reference to the ancient places

 

Quote:

1 And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness
Which was inexhaustible:
And around it were many fountains of wisdom:
And all the thirsty drank of them,
And were filled with wisdom,
And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect.
2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,

And his name before the Head of Days.



and this fragment and relation again to what is hidden and its relation to the Abyss

 

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7 And on that day were two monsters parted, a female monster named Leviathan, to dwell in the
8 abysses of the ocean over the fountains of the waters. But the male is named Behemoth, who occupied with his breast a waste wilderness named Duidain, on the east of the garden where the elect and righteous dwell, where my grandfather was taken up, the seventh from Adam, the first
9 man whom the Lord of Spirits created. And I besought the other angel that he should show me the might of those monsters, how they were parted on one day and cast, the one into the abysses
10 of the sea
, and the other unto the dry land of the wilderness. And he said to me: Thou son of man, herein thou dost seek to know what is hidden.

 



and this one which implies victory of the Son of Man.

 

Quote:

5And one portion of them shall look on the other,
And they shall be terrified,
And they shall be downcast of countenance,
And pain shall seize them,
When they see that Son of Man Sitting on the throne of his glory
.



and

 

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7 For from the beginningthe Son of Man was hidden,
And the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might,
And revealed him to the elect
.



and this

 

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9 And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth
Shall fall down before him on their faces,
And worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man,
And petition him and supplicate for mercy at his hands
.



and

 

Quote:

14 And the Lord of Spirits will abide over them,
And with that Son of Man shall they eat
And lie down and rise up for ever and ever.



and

 

Quote:

11 And after that their faces shall be filled with darkness
And shame before that Son of Man,
And they shall be driven from his presence,

And the sword shall abide before his face in their midst.



and

 

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26 And there was great joy amongst them,
And they blessed and glorified and extolled
Because the name of that Son of Man had been revealed unto them.

27 And he sat on the throne of his glory,
And the sum of judgement was given unto the Son of Man,
And he caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth,
And those who have led the world astray
.



and

 

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29 And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For that Son of Man has appeared,
And has seated himself on the throne of his glory,
And all evil shall pass away before his face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth


And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.
 



and

 

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14 And he (i.e. the angel) came to me and greeted me with His voice, and said unto me
This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness,
And righteousness abides over him,
And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not
.



and lastly in the book of parables

 

Quote:

And so there shall be length of days with that Son of Man,
And the righteous shall have peace and an upright way
In the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever



Praise the Lord, In the above seem to me a very accurate description of the Messiah and that he is involved with what is hidden and who does reveal all to all man. I believe that the Messiah is involved in the journey to the ancient places and is revealing all.
 

Personally, I think that the person described in Isaiah is about the Last messenger and his role in the end times and the role of the Son of Man Messiah is in Enoch and its about Jesus and his role. It appears that Jesus and the Last messenger or the Melchizedek are all involved in the same things but each have their part of the end time catalyst which is all to do with the hidden being revealed and all to do with the ancient places.

I believe that Odes of Solomon is about the End Time Catalyst containing the whole story of what occurs.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/odes_of_solomon.htm




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Here are some fragments concerning the Son of Man from Enoch or Edras. I believe that this is the most accurate description of the son of Man that Jesus gravitated to in his research. Look at it from the ancient places point of view regarding the hidden treasures, the submerged cities.

Remember this post is part of a greater study to determine what scripture belong to whom regarding the coming of the Messiahs in the end times final construct. There appears to be other individuals involved as well. I believe the ancient submerged cities is the catalyst, the great sign! Many scriptures in the Old testament from a Christian point of view believe its about Jesus but I believe they point to another individual perhaps The Melchizedek or the human agent involved in the bringing the forth the great sign in the discovery. There many things in the prophecies of the Old testament which could not apply to Jesus as many Christians think in there interpretation. About Melchizedek he did bless Abraham and which includes his family, all his family! This is not an exclusive operation but one that involves all mankind and its certainly not through destruction. However destruction will come to those who dont listen and continue the destruction of mankind, it applies to all mankind. Actually Paradise forbids any violence!

The following scriptures apply to Jesus in the end times as the one of the Messiahs.

http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/...s/parables.htm

 

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Chapter 46
1 And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.
2 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that 3 Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:
This is the son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

and the following sounds like judgment

 

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4 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]
And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.

and this which may have indirect reference to the ancient places

 

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1 And in that place I saw the fountain of righteousness
Which was inexhaustible:
And around it were many fountains of wisdom:
And all the thirsty drank of them,
And were filled with wisdom,
And their dwellings were with the righteous and holy and elect.
2 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.

and this fragment and relation again to what is hidden and its relation to the Abyss

 

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7 And on that day were two monsters parted, a female monster named Leviathan, to dwell in the
8 abysses of the ocean over the fountains of the waters. But the male is named Behemoth, who occupied with his breast a waste wilderness named Duidain, on the east of the garden where the elect and righteous dwell, where my grandfather was taken up, the seventh from Adam, the first
9 man whom the Lord of Spirits created. And I besought the other angel that he should show me the might of those monsters, how they were parted on one day and cast,
the one into the abysses
10 of the sea
, and the other unto the dry land of the wilderness. And he said to me: Thou son of man, herein thou dost seek to know what is hidden.

and this one which implies victory of the Son of Man.

 

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5And one portion of them shall look on the other,
And they shall be terrified,
And they shall be downcast of countenance,
And pain shall seize them,
When they see that Son of Man Sitting on the throne of his glory
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7 For from the beginningthe Son of Man was hidden,
And the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might,
And revealed him to the elect.

and this

 

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9 And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth
Shall fall down before him on their faces,
And worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man,
And petition him and supplicate for mercy at his hands.

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14 And the Lord of Spirits will abide over them,
And with that Son of Man shall they eat
And lie down and rise up for ever and ever.

and

 

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11 And after that their faces shall be filled with darkness
And shame before that Son of Man,
And they shall be driven from his presence,
And the sword shall abide before his face in their midst.

and

 

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26 And there was great joy amongst them,
And they blessed and glorified and extolled
Because the name of that Son of Man had been revealed unto them.

27 And he sat on the throne of his glory,
And the sum of judgement was given unto the Son of Man,
And he caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth,
And those who have led the world astray .

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29 And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For that Son of Man has appeared,
And has seated himself on the throne of his glory,
And all evil shall pass away before his face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth

And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.

and

 

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14 And he (i.e. the angel) came to me and greeted me with His voice, and said unto me
This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness,
And righteousness abides over him,
And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.

and lastly in the book of parables

 

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And so there shall be length of days with that Son of Man,
And the righteous shall have peace and an upright way
In the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever

Praise the Lord or Allah, The above seems to me a very accurate description of the Messiah and that he is involved with what is hidden and who does reveal all to all man. I believe that the Messiah is involved in the journey to the ancient places and is revealing all.

Since Jesus felt that prophecies in the Old Testament wasn't about him, then the prophecies in fragment form must be either error or must be part of the final construct of the end times concerning another individual which could either be the Last Messenger or The Melchizedek and his role in the end times.

Personally, I think that the person described in Isaiah is about the Last messenger and his role in the end times and the role of the Son of Man Messiah is in Enoch and its about Jesus and his role. It appears that Jesus and the Last messenger or the Melchizedek are all involved in the same things but each have their part of the end time catalyst which is all to do with the hidden being revealed and all to do with the ancient places.


I believe that Odes of Solomon is about the End Time Catalyst containing the whole story of what occurs.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/odes_of_solomon.htm

If any one wants to see the rest of the study write to me III send you the link but it is challenging and it will challenge as we know in the end times there will be much correction for all and every religion. No one escapes the rigors of Judgment Day. What will be adjudged is the witness of everyone's life towards there fellow brothers including strangers and the standards will be based on the standards contained in the opened books of the end times scenario concerning the ancient places. The opened books contains fragments of the Seventh mystery and which includes every book of religion and involves the interpretation of the on the run Targum that emantes out of the sea concerning all the ancient cities. Remember the One God of Paradise has unfinished business with the Last Rebel at the first city (Dalamatia City) the beginning, where all our problems began and where the end will occur.

Also the adjudication of the Ancient of Days has begun on the Last Rebel and its related to the first city of the great sign. But concerning the submerged cities that is mans part of the journey that he has to explore in faith!




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Thank you for your reply.

I will read what you posted.

I shared my personal journey with you to see if I could help.

I will go over things.

However your quite welcome to delete the information.

Not a problem!

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Icon 1 posted 06-30-2008 06:14 AM

I say Atlantis is Dilmun submerged in North Eastern Persian Gulf, its where the Atlantis legend came from and migrated to Egypt with its early inhabitants when the City Atlantis /Dilmun went down, It's the place where Babel was built.

However, when 1stEden was in operation submerged off Cyprus in Eastern Med it was also the Atlantis of the Med.

That's what I reckon.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

 Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:46 pm

Hey Im testing out the book in what it says.

As far as Im concerned to know whether its authentic is by verifying the ancient places as in the images.

That would be proof enough and with the verification of script which should be on stone slabs. That would prove my work.

How the Urantia Book came to pass was through the action of a Self acting thought adjuster within the individual.

Its what the Book says and that's why Im testing it out.

With the Last Messenger referring to myself as you mentioned ArchMichael. All Im doing is living the life the of the last messenger in faith.

To know whether I am the Last Messenger or not is to go out to the submerged places that I proclaim and verify it. I figure that the person who finds the ancient places, the beginning cities where the end shall be and proclaims in faith along with all the messages of the prophet grouped together, could very well be the last messenger and it could be me. In the dead sea scrolls the last messenger as described uses everything he find and extracts from all the prophets to dig his way to the Last Message which I believe its the ancient places with its message. I also believe its the Seventh Mystery, the Sevenfold mystery and which is described in the Urantia Book to a vast extent.

Look, no one has to believe anything I say, Im not after anything except to find verification in the physical. That's it.

But you know, going by gut feeling, Judgment Day could hinge on the words of the Last Messenger with his writings, reflections of his thoughts as it occurred to him.

Paradise may very well respond to everything he says. Whilst people may scoff and be critical of this work Paradise may be the only one that will stand by this last messenger and the Urantia Book and all the Prophets. You know, you just never know.

Regarding Satania being the name of a sector you have read it context of the rest of the papers. I know some may seem shock horror understandably so but that why Im testing it and I believe Im getting big results.

I used many scriptures, with many links, openly expressed and displayed images.

What more can I do without going there. right!

Anyway all the best but remember no one has to believe this, if you ignore it that's fine but Paradise may stand forth and demonstrate something in which may lay some shame on some as mentioned in revelations and I think it includes much of the church.

All Im doing is living the life of the last messenger in faith and if Im proven wrong! no problem and if it can be proven in what verification there is.. that's fine but it would have to better than what I can demonstrate now. But there could be penalty for those who ignore and its prophesied that it will happen like in the Noah's day!

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods
As for you Sampson ahahahah

Amen Hallelujah

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I went away for a week, (work related) however in the whole time my thoughts were upon the mission to the ancient places, the places of truth. During the week there were too many occurrences and chance meetings that to me, confirmed many things.

I appreciate you concern about me me being a lost soul but that has to be proven using all knowledge from science to religion and there is a path that can verify the truth of the matter.

Going through all things in my mind and the path which all the books have led me. The documentation of the path could very well be the message before judgment day and it could be an ark. Again its a journey of faith and in truth and all has been revealed without price and reward but in love to do the Father will in Paradise!

You also forget that the Last Mahdi is related to the Jewell of Khurasan and I feel he relies on it to vindicate his truth of Allah and its treasures which implies more than one location.


 

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In the country Khurasan in Taluqan (northern Afghanistan) that at that place are treasures of Allah, but these are not of gold and silver but consist of people who have recognised Allah as they should have. (Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-zaman, p.59)

For our day I believe the following location is the Jewell of Khurasan and is an very ancient place where the tree of Life was kept thousands of years in earlier Epochs by Van before the 1st Eden was built, Van built Eden and was part builder of the Dalamatia City submerged in the Persian Gulf.

I believe this is the highland Valley of Van custodian of the tree of Life before Adam and Eve arrived or created.

The Triangle High land Valley of Van in Khurasan




Here is another view of the triangle valley and note the 3 co planar circular symbols



Now in the centre is the the centre in a triangle circles formation.

In the centre of this highland Valley is the long lost temple of the tree of life.



another view



Now this location lies in Khurasan





I believe the above is the Jewell of Khurasan
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Now for some words of Mohammed

 

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In the country Khurasan in Taluqan (northern Afghanistan) that at that place are treasures of Allah, but these are not of gold and silver but consist of people who have recognised Allah as they should have. (Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-zaman, p.59)

The people of truth and love for one another and who respect all man and for what he believes in.

And I thought this was interesting to

 

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Prophet Mohammad: "Before your treasure, three will kill each other -- all of them are sons of a different caliph but none will be the recipient. Then the Black Banners will appear from the East and they will kill you in a way that has never before been done by a nation." Thawban, a companion said: 'Then he said something that I do not remember by heart' then continued to say that the Prophet, praise and peace be upon him, said: "If you see him give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because surely he is the Caliph of Allah, the Mahdi. If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan, join that army, even if you have to crawl over ice, for this is the army of the Caliph, the Mahdi and no one can stop that army until it reaches Jerusalem."

You can see that Mohammed is speaking of the another future messenger and I believe this journey to the ancient places and the documentation of it could very well be the message before the age is adjudged by the Ancient of Days in a judgement that comes from these places of origin, the message from 3 places of earlier Epochs.

The ensign that emerges from this place is the 3 circles, concentric or co planar. The Ensign or the 3 circles and its people are the people of truth and all the things that Paradise represents. Goodwill for all man its that truth and the verification of it that will serve the army of the the Last Mahdi. Its the only truth that will make its way to Jerusalem through exploration and discovery on all levels that bring man to a new frontier that involves all the planet.

Part of the presentation of the tree of life will come from Khurasan and the Black flags or better still the ensign of Paradise, the 3 concentric circles will emerge from Khurasan and its people are throughout the world.

This army of the Last Mahdi is not an army of violence but an army of the truth, its message comes from Jesus. Jesus is personally involved in this journey including all the Paradise personalities on all levels and the code is Love for one another on respect for all.

The code we follow is the Seven commands or the 10 commands in full no variation or compromise, the office of the planetary Messiahs and its agents follow this path as well. This means the abolition and dismantling of armies of violence on all sides, religious or otherwise by order of the 7 commands, the commands of the Father in Paradise!

Now no one has to believe this or follow this, its free choice, free will. No one imposes anything he doesn't know already. However the Judgement Day may very well hinge on the experience of the Last Mahdi in the journey to the ancient cities of the tree of life. And note it is prophesied no one will believe him and he will find rejection from all religion.

and note "three will kill each other" this implies 3 misinterpretation, 3 armies leading that will fall and divide before the treasures of Allah in Khorasun. Would this mean armies of violence? This all happens before the Last Mahdi emerges with the truth and the right interpretation of Paradise concerning the Jewell of Khorasun.

all of them are sons of a different caliph but none will be the recipient

Who is the Caliphs who controls 3 sons or factions where there truth or interpretation fails them?

Prophet Mohammad: "Before your treasure, three will kill each other -- all of them are sons of a different caliph but none will be the recipient.

Well thats what I think

http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.co....msg79328.html

The deceiver comes from there as in the Dajjal and is causing havoc and makes the 3 sons of the Caliphs fall near the treasures of Allah.


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Amr ibn Hurayth quoted AbuBakr as-Siddiq as saying that Allah's Messenger told them the Dajjal would come forth from a land in the East called Khurasan, followed by people whose faces resembled shields covered with skin.

The deceiver or the Dajjal comes from Khurasan and is causing death and destruction through misinterpretation and makes the 3 sons of the Caliphs fall at the foot of the treasures of Allah.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Hi Arch Michael.

I really Love Jesus, he is my friend and Saviour I have all trust in him. His angels protect me and can many times when they have helped me in impending circumstances.

Regarding my journey Jesus is my foundation and I am very confident in Jesus he is my rock and truly everything to me.

Glory to the Lord.

Sevens


2. According to a Hindu religion prediction, the birth of kalki
avatar,would take place
in an isle which again according to Hindu
religion is Arab region.

7. God would avail kalki avatar with a very speedy horse to ride and
travel the whole world and the seven skies. indication of
buraaque(horse) and me'raaj (the night when prophet traveled the seven skies).


http://www.islamicresearch.org/Pages/Prophet%20Mohammad%20in%20Hindus%20books.htm

 


Post Re: WAR IN NOVEMBER? Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:05 am

Hey Geo

Im not sure why the Iranian President is setting up the stage for war, as far as Im concerned the Last Imam will NOT go to war and finds war offensive! His war is truth and untruth though the books.

Sevens


http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/imam.htm

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Hi I just found this article on the Last Imam

As I was reading this I could really testify to the witness of what is being expressed in my personal experience in the journey to all the ancient places submerged and above the waters.

I was very moved and touched by this article and I found it very truthful and I witnessed to it in the actual experience.

You know, from a simple enquiry to the ancient places following the hidden tracks beginning with 1stEden of Cyprus, to Dilmun Northern Eastern Persian Gulf to 1stSusa close by and then onto Vans highland capital in Iran to the first City Dalamatia City, has been a beautiful experience with all kinds of discoveries and realizations everyday for the last 4 years and going back further to find things all every level, everyday is just very beautiful.

Knowing this journey in hand with the Father has been just glorious when all else fails and in all loneliness he is there, guiding the way.

I just really thank the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and the One God of Paradise all part and parcel of both religions in the oneness of the Seventh Mystery or the Sevenfold mystery leading the ancient places. I also thank Jesus, the best brother would ever have, such faithfulness and who helps his brothers who love him and serve him in light of all kinds of difficulties. When there is nothing else just an empty cold house there is always Jesus my brother leading me and comforting me daily throughout all the daily discoveries in all the books.

Anyway the following depicts my experience in the journey to the ancient places of the planet of all previous epochs going back so long.

 

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The Final Imam


The Imams are the divinely inspired Islamic religious pontiffs, leaders able to pray for the nation. The institution is called the caliphateor the imamate and serves as God's vice-regent. While much pretension is inevitable, any Muslim is able to assume the true role of Imam if they are able to teach righteously and in justice according to the spirit of God and not in the flesh. The person in charge is called the caliph or imam. The caliphate in reality, substitutes for the Lawgiver (Mohammed), in as much as it serves, like him, to protect the religion and to exercise political leadership of the world.
Original Adam is considered the first Imam. To be an Imam is to be the repository of the esoteric meaning of revelatory saving knowledge. To come is the last Imam, suddenly arising like Elijah at the last day, corresponding to him in whom the True Prophet finds at last his "repose." For the final repose will be more than a prophet, it will be an Imam, and the Imam is a Samif, a silent one. Chosen by God, this last Imam, called the Mahdi is the divinely guided resurrector in whom is recapitulated the entire line of the Imams and leads the Temple of Light back to the realm of the Angel, of which he is the didochos (teacher) that restores the true faith and discloses divine truth. He is the rightly guided one bringing justice and equity among a world filled with injustice, calamity, tyranny and corruption. In this sense of restoration, he is the one to come in the days of apostasy to measure the Temple and decide between the authentic and the inauthentic. By doing so, he must bring to union those of the book and guide all the wayward children of Abraham into the brotherhood of true religion. Just as all the prophets since Adam are recapitulated in Christ, so all the Imams and true prophets are recapitulated or integrated in the last among them.

Naturally, there are many who claim to be the Final Imam that have come and gone. Many pretenders with demonic inspiration crop up to encite others to kill Jews and Christians indiscrimately as infidels and kaffirs rather than unite the faithful. Many assist in the institution of a tyranical nationalistic Islam instead of the submission itself of God's will. Some have made wild claims, coming to "break the cross" and include the same seditions, traditions of men and delusions of false authority that you would find in many Christian societies.

As for the seventh day, the third day of the Christian era, it is precisely the day of the final Imam. Hidden until the last day of his own deliverance, he does not proclaim a new Law, rather he liberates by disclosing the symbols and the time of the "reunion into a whole", or when the restoration of all things is realized. He will oppose the oppressor and support the oppressed. The last Imam is himself a "period" of the Imamate; in other words he himself is his own time, placed into position in the fulness of time and defined by the elevation of his horizon, which by his spiritual calling precedes the bodily return of Isa, the son of Mary.

The last Imam announces the consummation of the positive religions, restoring justice and the true caliphate, a return to the pure spiritual sense and truth in love. The only criterion, the Imam formulates this by declaring: "He who recognized me in pre-eternity will recognize me." The Last Imam symbolically holds in his hands the keys of Paradise. This decisive moment of the quest for the Imam is the awakening of consciousness to the secret of the motto: "He who knows himself knows his Lord." He who does not achieve the knowledge of the Imam of his time and the knowledge of himself will die in ignorance.
[37, 38, 93]








The Lord has given us the grace to reconcile the children to their Fathers

For me that was very beautiful such good definition of the Last Imam, the Silent one which infers the internet! and also infers that he does his work in silence being on his own which evolves the track record of the journey to the places of origins. Interestingly its the real Indiana Jones Epic but in truth and in the reality.


 



I thought the triangle symbol on the image was significant and interesting. I wonder if this is Islamic art. Interesting. Its the same symbol as on the plug of the Queens shaft found in the great pyramid that goes back to Submerged Dilmun or Dilmat or the Maat as the Egyptians expressed it.

Here is the curious symbol where I have highlighted a few things I realized. Found in the great Pyramid which to me fulfils a scripture in the Bible regarding the Pyramid mystery.

Found on a 8cmX8cm shaft plug in the Shaft leading out of the Queens chamber

Here is the curious symbol where I have highlighted a few things I realized. Found in the great Pyramid which to me fulfils a scripture in the Bible regarding the Pyramid mystery.

Found on a 8cmX8cm shaft plug in the Shaft leading out of the Queens chamber, the Great Pyramid.



This points to
subm,erged Dilmun with the same triangle/circle chevron



and enhanced 3d of Dilmun submerged. This where the first and second attempt Babel was made and it had circular foundations like that of Dalamatia City. Dilmun was only a reflection of Dalamatia City who adopted the same design features.





The Ancient man found on the plug pointing to the Symbol would have to be the custodian over the Great Seventh or Sevenfold Mystery and the realisation of it in the right focalization would confirm the mystery of all the ancient places that share the common triangle symbol which encompasses the Concentric and co planar circles the symbols of Paradise and the truth of our Origins that can be verified in the discovery! for real! The angel is probably the Angel of the Seventh Mystery! Recognized in the Great Pyramid! Just brilliant isn't it!

Here is a page I started ages ago where it evolved in fragment form on the run over time.

web page



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I thought this verse was interesting.

 

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Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea,
let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Does the following quote relate to the Last messenger whose message comes from ancient times?? "a just God and a Saviour;" and "who hath declared this from ancient time?"

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Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:


There is strong evidence that Isaiah spoke of the Pyramid:

"In that day there shall be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the Land of Egypt, and a monument at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign, and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts in the Land of Egypt" (Isaiah 19:19-20).


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Post Re: The destruction still to come Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:48 am

 

petra wrote:

SEVENS--

Mankind isn't that old- only a little under 6,000 yrs old



Cain murdered Abel in the Second Garden and was expelled to the East to the Land of Nod (the Nodites) to fetch a wife and received a Sevenfold mark for protection.

The above in the bible implies a pre existent civilisation before Adam and Eve. There is no other
.worthy explanation in the above relating to Nod or the Nodites in Elam and there existence before Adam and Eve.


The origins of man is vastly different than the 6000 years old notion which I believe is error thinking in the literal form in this particular case


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:37 am

Hey ArchMichael Amen brother for sure!

Ive been on the Islam site posting up some interesting information about the Last Imam and other things.

Just keeping you posted on what's happening. Its interesting!

http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.php?t=5438&page=5

All the best brother ArchMichael and thanks for your contribution in this thread of the End Times before our great friend and Saviour Jesus appears to save the planet.

Anyway, Im working in faith and truth and it will be interesting to see where it leads to but I feel there are some interesting discoveries relating to the Last Imam. I believe the Last Messenger in the Bible and the Last Imam is the same person and it all comes back from the ancient times with all the relevant symbols of the landmarks of the hidden tracks leading to the cities.

Its a real on your own journey with only Jesus by your side. I believe quite strongly that no matter who the last messenger is no one will recognize him nor believe him no matter how much he demonstrates the truth. That is in prophecy and I can see how that happens.

Apparently, the Last Rebel gets upset and actually overwhelms the elect and I can see how that can happen in my case. I pray to the lord to look after me in all ways and guide me out of the situation he knows that I am in.

Great blessings
sevens


Icon 1 posted 07-13-2008 11:07 PM


Sounds strange, could it be a projectile hitting the actual frame between the panes of Glass?

I bet if you interviewed all the inhabitants of the village there would be many paranormal things happening, you and your friends experiences seem to typify that.

Sevens


Post Ahmadinejad: talks with US 'possible in near future'

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Ahmadinejad: talks with US 'possible in near future'
4 hours ago

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hsV ... OD-0nd9xqQ

TEHRAN (AFP) — President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has struck a more moderate tone towards the United States ahead of a key meeting on Iran's nuclear drive, saying talks with its arch-enemy were possible in the future.

"It is possible that in the near future talks in different fields will take place with the United States," the state news agency IRNA quoted Ahmadinejad as saying in an interview with state television late on Monday.

Washington broke off relations with Tehran in 1980 in the wake of the Islamic revolution, and ties have remained severed ever since amid increasing acrimony over the controversial Iranian nuclear programme.


However the United States is also one of six big powers which have offered Iran negotiations on a package of incentives if Tehran suspends uranium enrichment, a process the West fears could be used to make nuclear weapons.

EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana -- who presented the offer to Iran last month -- is due to hold his latest talks on the package with Iran's top nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili in Geneva on Saturday.

Ahmadinejad said that in the next months "certain things will happen" and insisted that no power in the world could afford to ignore Iran.

"Whichever party is elected in the United States will have to take note of this. In this regard we have received many messages," he said, referring to the US presidential election in November.

"However these talks will not be at government level but are likely to take place at other levels.

"If the United States wants talks with Iran in fair conditions we welcome that. Nobody, so far, has rejected that."

Official diplomatic contact between Iran and the United States has been almost non-existent over the past three decades, although last year the two foes held three rounds of talks over Iraq.

Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders have repeatedly vowed that Tehran will never suspend enrichment as demanded by world powers, which fear Iran could use the process to make a nuclear weapon.

But media reports say world powers have offered to start pre-negotiations over a six-week period during which Tehran would add no more uranium-enriching centrifuges and in return no further sanctions would be imposed.

In an apparent reference to this proposal, Ahmadinejad said Jalili and Solana will this week discuss a "timetable" for future negotiations to break the deadlock in the atomic crisis.

"In these talks (between Jalili and Solana) the framework of talks and timetable of talks" will be discussed, Ahmadinejad said in the interview.

Pressed about the length of the timetable, Ahmadinejad said it did not matter whether it lasted for four weeks, six weeks or eight weeks, without giving further details.

The renewed diplomatic efforts come after Iran last week intensified tensions in the nuclear standoff by staging two days of missile tests, which included the firing of a missile that it says can reach Israel.

The United States and its regional ally Israel have never ruled out a military attack to end Iran's controversial nuclear work, which Tehran insists is entirely peaceful.

But Iran's deputy defence minister said that the missile tests would give it a stronger position in negotiations with world powers.

"Because of the manoeuvres, the Islamic Republic will come to the negotiation table with a full hand," the website of state-run English channel Press-TV quoted Nasrallah Ezzati as saying.

Iran's defiant refusal to suspend enrichment has seen it hit by three sets of UN Security Council sanctions as well as unilateral US and European measures against its financial system.


I wonder what the "certain things will happen" means and what are the different fields??
Sevens


I have a Test to prove religion!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:38 pm

Hi my name is Sevens I am an individual religionist and follow the hidden tracks to the ancient places submerged in the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf.

I believe I can prove the case of a Personal Universal Creator God called the Father, Creator of all life including Evolution. I believe in the creative/evolutionary process of how we came about in past. However there is one difference, billions of years ago when the universe was smaller the Nebulas just appeared, as in the space/.Time realm, out of thin air so to speak in one day and then from that point its all been evolution helped along through a creative process from higher dimension of life in another realm which runs parallel to this existence but is of the eternal realm and does have personality and who loves us and desire for us to ascend to higher truth and knowledge.

I can demonstrate this journey to the ancient places that God is true and does exist. I began this journey around the time of the proclamation of Discovery of Atlantis by Robert Sarmast, simultaneously I was building a presentation about The Urantia Book rendition of 1stEden, Atlantis to a small group at a conference. I was simply looking for any fragments in other books that pertain to these ancient places mentioned in the Urantia Book and to see if I could find fragments throughout some books of religion at that time which eventually became all the books of religion, that means all religion!! I first started with the Book of Enoch and very quickly I started to recognize references to what I thought was Eden and then started to find parallels with Ezekiel looking for the remnants or fragments focalized on 1stEden which included my knowledge of 1stEden through the Urantia Book.

Enoch/Ezekiel

Well I presented the presentation and it made real sense to me so since then I have continued to see if I could find more connection and Parallels pertaining to these ancient places written about.

Over time I started find more things in more books and very quickly is started to recognize patterns like in the Sevens. All the work is in the moment and much of it would be connection I would see following the tracks and that had messages of commonality with many hidden fragments in other religious books in my focalization to the ancient places. I believe its a journey of great change! The journey has gradually built up over the time, essentially its a witness of a foreseen journey which leads to a journey that unlocks the Seventh Mystery as in the Books of Religion\ and fulfils prophecy. However in this case there is a new book called the Urantia Book that works in collaboration with all the books of religion thereby creating a oneness in the revealing of the cities.

What I propose is to prove this case with multiple expeditions to these proposed locations as mentioned in this on the run simple journey, fragment upon fragment, precepts upon precept, block upon block and stone upon stone which infers ruins related to precepts and thoughts being revealed on the run and the foreseen Targum that emantes out of the Mediterranean Sea and The Persian Gulf seen by John Gill preacher in the 16 century.

Here is my Targum that emantes out of both Seas!
http://www.dalamatiacity.com

1stEden was discovered and the wall was verified by Robert Sarmast
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/

Here is information of the Wall found in the Urantia Book
web page

Here is more information about 1Eden

1stEden

Note the 3 coplanar circle symbol!

Through the Urantia Book this places 1stEden was built by Van a loyal Son of God who was loyal to Paradise and was physically sustained by the tree of life in immortality status.

Information about Van

Now Van and Amadon his brother had a highland headquarters which is mentioned in the Urantia Book. This location I believe I discovered in North Eastern Iran bordering the Atrek River as a hidden highland triangle valley with a triangle and circle temple still exists in form and shape, the 3 co planar circles can also be seen close by proving the connection between 1stEden with the 3 planar circles stemming from the same builder, Van.

But the story doesn't finish there There is another city which is the first City its called Dalamatia City

Dalamatia City

This is where Van came from, from this first City that was built by the Sons of God 500,000 years ago but rebellion occurred 200,000 years destroyed by tidal wave due to rapid submergence. Note in the image of Dalamatia City the circular temple in the centermost of the city and the circles flanking the centre, 3 co planar circles. The Origin of the Symbols that have perpetuated down through the ages throughout the cities of previous epochs in paths not known.

Dalamatia City

After the rebellion the fallen Sons of God built a city called Dilmun where the Tower of Babel was attempted.

Dilmun

Dilmun Word search

The remnants of Dilmun 10,000 years ago who some of them migrated to Egypt and the same design of the city is found here with a confirmation that can be found here in the Great Pyramid, in the Queens Burial shaft.

Image

and thoughts

Image

Dilmun is where the Atlantis Story came from it was a perpetuation of the demise of Dalamatia City.

Now to prove what I say I would like to propose multiple expeditions to these places and prove the case. We can begin with Dalamatia City and lift up the Seven commands that should be inscribed on stone slabs not to mention the art works of the Dalamatia City Gardens. Which should be partially or under the sands.

All this should prove the source of the discoveries combined with all the opened books along the journey and from where it guidance comes from.

I believe the discoveries and realisation would prove the existence of the personal God to all man and subscribes to a higher a more personal relationship with God and has nothing to do with church dogma and doctrine with limited viewpoints.

The verification of the Discoveries would prove the case and verify the Urantia Book as book of eternal destiny open for all mankind!

I think this should be a sufficient test to the proof of God and I would welcome Richard Dawkins on the expedition to these locations in the verification. I think he raises some very interesting points.

Sevens


Re: I have a Test to prove religion!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:25 pm

Zondar all Im doing is going through the Urantia Book in my own way testing it out with NASA worldwind and to see if I can match it with what I see. Surely nothing wring with that in by saying this there many clues and parallels in the Bible that also match this journey.

All I say is lets go out there and lets see if we can find some evidence.

Going out to Dalamatia City is in Neutral ground of atheist and Religionist, one or the other could be proven wrong following this case. For to say what you do about me you would have to prove the case in the findings and evidence that I was misguided. You haven't proved that to me.

Mind you all my work is based on thoughts and realizations in my journey and this is where it had led me and from what I read into it we as a planet are at the steps of change.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:51 pm

No worries thanks for looking onto it.

There is nothing unusual about this and its really friendly as it was all found in books of religion using using science as a oneness. I believe and expedition to verify would be an very intriguing thing.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:06 pm

Anyway I reckon its there for the discovery in proving the case of God in exploration and discovery of paths not known and comes from a book a new book that leads to the physical discoveries of the cities of the path of the tree of life and it comes from the Land of Sinim.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:25 pm

Im just saying lets have a look and check the anomalies under the sea. They seem to fit the description as written.

Its a very simple process and with 1Eden the wall was verified.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:29 pm

riddlemethis

You may say what you like but you have to prove that and all I se is mockery. We can prove whether its a figment of imagination or actual truth. We can go there and prove the anomalies using all science on every level. Just say if a city was verified eh!

Would that mean! for many views and thoughts.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:38 pm

This is nothing Like Da Vinci code, I believe this is the real thing going on something that will be resolved from ages past. I reckon its the real Indiana experience and its related to the rediscovery of the Ark of truth, in the days of change the ark will be rediscovered and considering the proposal for the discovery and recovery of the Seven commands submerged in Dalamatia City points very close to the fulfillment of prophecy. These Seven commands are the very first codes given to man from this city and there is some unfinished business there.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:22 pm

riddlemethis

Ah come on its just a simple enquiry that may affect all man. No one has to believe this as it may be out of our hands as the Seventh mystery has been activated.

All the opposition was all recorded to, Ive spoke to the Christians, the Urantia Book people, the Islamics, the atheist and they all reject it. It was all foreseen. All Im doing is going through the motions as much ahs already been fulfilled in prophecy.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:07 pm

riddlemethis

I gave you links in the first post. That's record of the journey sorry but that's the way it happened for me.

I would like to go out and find a real ancient city! and verify the images and science can help in this.

Would it be great where you read it and see it.

By the way riddlemethis I am a simple writer, nothing flash I make excuses for bad grammar and all that. I am not a scholar. Not an author or writer Im a nothing just a Sevens, Im right a big Loser OK is that OK!. But its the truth that Im interested that's written by a simple bloke from the bush incomprehensible and that's part of the Seventh mystery, a simple minded journal to make you think.


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:16 pm

No worries Riddlemethis, it could be a fantastic riddle unfolding where there is only one path as we pass through the Abyss!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:16 pm

No worries Riddlemethis, it could be a fantastic riddle unfolding where there is only one path as we pass through the Abyss!

I reckon Life in Dalamatia City was like a combination of Zenas Day or beast masters day after the rebellion of the Sons of God or the builders of the triangle city. Before then it was evolutionary man being taught by these Sons of God in the City and where the best of each race would be invited to taught there and after instruction they would go back to the village and share the precepts of fundamental civilisation and who taught about God. The city could house 40,000 people with growing areas within the city. In cgi
it would look just fantastic. Every subdivision of the Ten had its own headquarters and I believe these would be recognized in a side scan and visual inspection.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:47 pm

Posse Comitatus wrote:I'm learning.



Just remember in the forum replies, its an on the run journey, stone by stone block by block, precept upon precept as I see and realize it, its not a chapter book yet. It just formed that way, it occurred in a natural way! the journey through a simple enquiry that led me each day in the focalization to the cities and contains many reflections of this journey in all the books of religion following the hidden tracks following things that I would recognize. I recognize this journey in the living of the experience of the journey and see of it in every detail throughout the books that's why my conviction is strong. Im raising the horizon in light of the spiritual event horizon of truth in the realizing of what is hidden now revealed. The record of the journey is just an outpouring of discovery over the timeline.

Enjoy the journey.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:00 pm

LucidFlight

Great Video I found it very entertaining

thanks for your contribution

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:05 pm

Its not secular, church or political, its just a journey of truth and has nothing to with politics, its a spiritual journey based on religious books outside and inside the Bible including the Urantia Book.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:07 pm

cateye wrote::pop:

EDIT: Indeed, you're in a different movie :shock:



I know its a real different movie, I agree with that,

Its different and real!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:53 pm

This year could be the fulfillment of this prediction in Nostradamus when:

 

74
The year of the great seventh number accomplished,
It will appear at the time of the games of slaughter:
Not far from the great millennial age,
When the buried will go out from their tombs.



(Epochal shift, could it be 08 when the Seven accomplishes the Seventh Mystery on the 8th year near the Olympic Games Not far from the millennial year. The millennial year is on Jesus Birthdate however according to the UB its August 21st 7BC. So in fact we are in the year of the first year of millennial year "Not far from the great millennial age" it might fit the Seven8 construct! which have curious patterns in other religions as I recently realized.

Could it be ? and could the verification of the cities and its truth be very important for mankind in the discovery and truth?? as the dye is cast in realisation of the mystery?? the keys of Paradise have been turned! as it were??

and there could be a realisation of disappointment that may sweep the world upon the demonstration only realizing lost opportunity due to non belief?? as question one must access. Im only here to inform any man if it potentially affects his destiny in the beforehand! The books of religion, were not a waste of time for mankind and much of it was preserved by good people over the ages and all should be investigated as the truth of the matter as the journey embraces many path that can be expanded upon to earlier epochs.

I am quite confident that something is on the horizon and all should be mindful of the truth of the ages as it can now be verified unto all man and does embrace all man in whatever belief he has. Nothing that is hidden shall not be revealed in other words all will be revealed and for all to witness in the linear and beforehand, the action journey to the ancient submerged cities linking all the way to the great pyramid!

Through my personal experience I am very confident in the journey! but all has to be tested and now we can use the scientific method top realize this in a way higher upper level enlightenment, enlightenment of the Kingdom of Heaven or Paradise. And we can go there right now on a great adventure for all nations for the goodwill of mankind according the Love one another principle thought in the foreground of consciousness. Love and respect for all man. That's it!

The simple message of a simple journey with enquiry.

This would provide the Healing of Nations in the real truth of all things as seen in revelations and through the path of the tree of Life in cities of past Epochs, the hidden story.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:08 pm

ahahahaha what a laugh, what a great image, yep it could be like that in Dalamatia City today! All preparing for the great advent, you just never eh! You just gotta have go and have a look! and find the truth of the matter it would be good to see what there is in the sea of bubbles and go by faith.

 

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:35 pm

tnjrp wrote:

sevens wrote:Ive spoke to the Christians, the Urantia Book people, the Islamics, the atheist and they all reject it


Pictures, or it didn't happen...

Anyway.

Even assuming what you have here is a
worldshaking revelation of biblical proportions you are desperate to make known, you should still try find a way to start it small. Like, provide evidence (it's less than "proof") for this supposed sunken city really being a city. Then go on to showing it is the city mentioned somewheres. And so on.

You don't start with claiming to be a prophet (which I should think pisses off the religious) who is be able to prove God (which makes atheists, shall we say, skeptic). You see, God is big
. Even if only as a concept.



Thanks for the points you raised. I think the 2 expeditions to 1stEden of Cyprus is proof enough and the scans they uncovered does indicate an civilisation there even though it would be good to do another trip there. That's should be proof enough according to wall that was discovered and what was written about it.

The same leading has applied to the other places places which I have faith in.

How its presented Im just putting out there.

Sevens


 

Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:00 am

moodrets? wrote:It doesn't quite seem like you've discovered anything yet, but should undertake whatever expeditions you mentioned, then I wish you the best of luck.

At this point, however, it seems like nothing so much as pareidolia to me. Maybe you elaborated elsewhere in this thread, but that's all the 1st page managed to give me...



No problem Moodrets

I believe I can match the anomalies with what is written, it may appear pareidolia and thats a fair comment at this stage but I believe there is quite alot to it personaly and thats why Im keen to go out there and see if it true. Thats all, confirming the anoimalies in the NASA images of the Persian Gulf Bathy.

Oh well everything is by faith and so thats all we have at this time following the hidden tracks and the images that seem to fit the information.

The best part about it is that all man can enjoy this from the comfort of his chair and enjoy a journey of vast proportions and depth in truth, including the journey all the other things along the way following the Symbols of time.


Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:23 pm

Posse Comitatus wrote:Universal Government?



Yes that's what I reckon, these places have connection right to the top beyond the powers and boundaries of man!

I reckon this is a whole orchestration of Universal Government for the benefit of all man no matter what he believes and no matter who and is no respecter of persons. Much of what we believe relating to knowledge will fail. There is much politics that's surround these places that go back to path not known before. Because man in general forgot those times where there is still unfinished business of Universal Government and it goes back to the 1stCity Dalamatia City.

There is nothing to fear on this journey however I feel it will be uncomfortable for man in general and will be character building for many in faith! Doesn't matter who it is!

Sevens

 


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:28 pm

The journey to the ancient places submerged and above land using all the books that pertain to these things following a river of truth in fragment form and connecting thge truth of these cities up.

Sevens


Re: Re:

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm

Chairman Bill wrote:

LordZontar wrote:

Chairman Bill wrote:Sevens
ignore this lot - they're all a bunch of skeptics anyway. I think that the proof they need is as follows. The cities of 1st Eden, Dalamatia and Atlantis can all be linked by no more than three straight lines, which makes a triangle. This reflects the great under-sea triangle off the coast of Iran. Such synchronicity means nothing to some folks. The really fascinating & incredible thing about these straight lines is that they are only straight when viewed from above. Looked at side on, they curve in a convex manner relative to the curvature of the earth, which they follow quite precisely!

I think this demonstrates a deliberate, intelligent agency at work. It's is why we are able to wear glasses and dolphins cannot. We have been designed with the relative positioning of eyes, nose & ears just right to facilitate the use of glasses. Dolphins have not. Intelligent design! It is so obvious, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.



I think the bullshit meter just exploded.



I think your's was maybe not working properly anyway. Oh no. My mistake. It's your 'He's-taking-the-piss meter' that's stopped working :-D



Oh whatever you think, but each the day journey defines itself, step by step there has been very creative following the construct through expanded contemplations and looking at things in a different ways unlike all on the planet. What you quoted is what I thought at the time Is that a problem, Einstein was a creative thinker and look he did, nothing different here.

I reckon I am right on to this.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:26 pm

pdavid wrote:

sevens wrote:Hi my name is Sevens I am an individual religionist and follow the hidden tracks to the ancient places submerged in the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf.



Credit where credit's due, that's a bloody brilliant intro right there.



ahahahah I have to say it is real simple but the concept of the journey is very simple you read you see.

Its not just these places there are many other Landmarks that have been identified throughout the world and lays a path that can be expanded on.

Its very exciting and what if it all verified as true. Wouldn't that be just be brilliant for man and his destiny, reaching a final conclusion to many things where the truth sets you free knowing all things as in the verification.

Thanks for your posts

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:05 pm

Chairman Bill no worries

Sorry if I misunderstood you.
ahahaha

While Im here.

These are the things I would expect to find in Dalamatia City scanning
a 15k x 15k x 15km area

 

    The List

    40 foot brick walls
    Confirm the circular temple, the foundations including the 2 other circular foundations
    flanking the main temple.

    Confirm the Princes temple and the 12 chambers of heads of the Sons of God.

    There was library in Dalamatia City (DC) but was destroyed after the rebellion, It was called the house of Fad where there should be shards of stone slabs with script.

    I like to recover a stone slab with the Seven commands inscribed in Dalamatian Script, a 24 character script close to the Aryan language.

    Locate the gardens of Dalamatia City and find the artworks of Dalamatia City, the artworks should be under the sands or partially
    submerged. Looks like some excavation has to occur.

    Confirm the 10 major subdivision within the city and perhaps locate a subdivision headquarter in the middle and the 5 subdivision within.


This is a List of achievements in the expeditions that will prove God to Man and that he is personal within man.

Happy hunting
ahahahahahahahah remember Universal Government has the last Laugh ahhhh just joking.

If I can bring home all these things on the list then that should be proof enough and points directly to books even a new book that man can have a look at. This I believe would be the Paradise response to Man on the question of whether God exists or not and it would come from the very first city of the Sons of God who taught man where they were sustained by the tree of life for 300,000 years and then rebellion occurred 200,000 years ago. The City goes back in history 500,000 years ago.

If we verify the city then great change is destined to occur in our knowledge and it effect man whatever his belief or bias is.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:41 pm

I think this is the type of thing that gets man on the run a bit in case this is prophecy fulfilling itself in the discovery and journey! Eh!

What if eh! what if with Im proposing is a very real reality and what if no one said anything because they could not careless for his fellow brother no matter who he was or is.

This thread might actually be the most important thread to mans destiny as it opens a window of enhanced knowledge.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:24 pm

If there is a messenger that is due to come no one will listen to him,

That is for sure no matter how much he brings to the table.

I understand those who reject and I am not fazed at all in heading towards the cities in a worthy test of truth. A path to prove God once and for all.

I believe the path to the ancient places is a good path for any man as leads to the real relevance of the opened books and coming from the beginning where the end shall come. Im just following the hidden tracks that's all and being bold in the beforehand based on what I see and how is correlates to the information.

No different to any researcher or digger of truth! but accessing the books of religion without pride or prejudice in the focalization of and to the ancient places.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:17 pm

You know the funny thing is that regardless what anyone thinks you are all now part of the journey of truth just through the consciousness of it.

The greatest mystery on the planet!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:24 pm

If there is a messenger that is due to come no one will listen to him,

That is for sure no matter how much he brings to the table.

I understand those who reject and I am not fazed at all in heading towards the cities in a worthy test of truth. A path to prove God once and for all.

I believe the path to the ancient places is a good path for any man as leads to the real relevance of the opened books and coming from the beginning where the end shall come. Im just following the hidden tracks that's all and being bold in the beforehand based on what I see and how is correlates to the information.

No different to any researcher or digger of truth! but accessing the books of religion without pride or prejudice in the focalization of and to the ancient places.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:17 pm

You know the funny thing is that regardless what anyone thinks you are all now part of the journey of truth just through the consciousness of it.

The greatest mystery on the planet!

Sevens


Yea, I tell thee truly,

The paths are seven  The sevenfold truth is all about this place

Through the Infinite Garden,


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:44 pm

jimmo wrote:

MrDoom wrote:Heheh, this guy really thinks he's the Hero of Mankind...


:)

I like him. He's cheerful, appears to have a sense of
humour and doesn't get belligerent or aggressive with us about his beliefs. And hey, he's definitely entertaining. :pop:



For sure Jimmo Im a fellow brother ahahahah

Ahh you gotta have a laugh even though this could be the most serious thing for many but then you gotta have a sense of humor.

Its been good on this forum.

Everyone here has been disaffected by religion in their own way and it good hearing what people say to a proposal like this. I can understand how people feel and that's why I propose this because I we can verify a wider perspective of religion. I get more value here than one some end time forum where you're sidelined, more or less talking to yourself. They read but hardly respond! I dont mind the insults!

Thats why I laugh when people shoot their arrows what else can do and I find the responses good and entertaining and you have to laugh in all this ahahahahahahahah!

The Indian laughing therapy ahahahhhhhhaaaa.

Although it does display that the truth has set me free in the what I have found in the tracks I have followed and the many personal feelings of the moment of discovery and realisation.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:07 pm

Posse Comitatus wrote:That's a very good attitude to have Sevens. :-D



Hey thats no worries.

Its been a wonderful journey since it began, There has been so much written like an outpouring, its been fragment upon fragment in the whole time, its been solid writing and contemplation daily on the forums fitting in between work to finance this Planetary Paradise office. This is certainly an on the run targum and it formed in the natural way and it was shared to man in the instant. Thats the beauty of it and thats why it can encompass all man in the beforehand on the run based on faith because its shared as it happens pointing to the future in virtual fulfillment.

Thats the way I see it.

Sevens

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Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:07 pm

Posse Comitatus wrote:That's a very good attitude to have Sevens. :-D



Hey that's no worries. Its the inner experience in many things of this journey that sustains me and working with the Seraphic Sevenfold Mission, a corp of teaching Sevenfold Seraphim's. Sponsored by the Ancient of Days. Its all this this that thrills me and where it leads me.

Its been a wonderful journey since it began, There has been so much written like an outpouring, its been fragment upon fragment in the whole time, its been solid writing and contemplation daily on the forums fitting in between work to finance this Planetary Paradise office. This is certainly an on the run Targum and it formed in the natural way and it was shared to man in the instant. That's the beauty of it and that's why it can encompass all man in the beforehand on the run based on faith because its shared as it happens pointing to the future in virtual fulfillment.

That's the way I see it.

Regarding attitude there are times in the journey where I do get rather pissed off and defensive and judgmental as well. You know all that stuff, there has been highs and lows in the journey and its on
youre own and I cant help the things I feel at the time in the journey on that day. However I feel Im coming to a completion in the realisation in the oneness or the fullness of it. I feel rather peaceful about it all no matter what people say, within myself I feel good and solid about it but I or we have to go there and verify the triangle city.

Sevens
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Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:20 am

DNEH wrote:

justwondering wrote:

DNEH wrote:

jimmo wrote:

MrDoom wrote:Heheh, this guy really thinks he's the Hero of Mankind...


:)

I like him. He's cheerful, appears to have a sense of humour and doesn't get belligerent or aggressive with us about his beliefs. And hey, he's definitely entertaining. :pop:




You want more yucks google the "Urantia Book" (its where he's getting most of this stuff).

It's available on line
http://www.urantia.org/papers/index.html

It is actually very readable but bat shit, jaw droppingly, crazy stuff. Try this section for example -I snorted coffee!
http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper62.html



UGH. Was it just me or did I see an astounding lack of footnotes and scholarly references? :shock:



Just like the bible :-D



Its a cool book man, the whole thing is proving itself in the test brother.

There is nothing like it on the planet.

Its the basis of this research and extends to all the other books including science and evolution in the focalization.

Its worthy to research and I have found many places in China and other location that connects to the truth of all things and embraces science and the scientist.

I really recommend any Atheist or religionist to check the book out fully and then go to the evidence in this day and look at everything. It redefines true religion and the connection to the greater Universe on the spiritual levels of eternity. This is the good news man has been waiting for and is part of the good news from 2000 years ago. The completion. Jesus in his travels spent 3 weeks in Ur and 2ndSusa contemplating and researching these earlier places and I know he was looking at the cities in the first times and looking ahead to this journey, the revealment of what is hidden that incorporates all the books of all religion.

I believe that's what we are going through today! Its the journey of Kings and princes of which is available to all mankind.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:37 am

No problem Just wondering

The journey is a flat on the run journey with extracts and links back to websites to show the path where I extracted a truth from. Everyone sees a truth and I might come across and see an extended truth as it fits my research.

All the website is and gathering of fragments and tie in. For the last few years I have been completely involved in forums laying down the tracks of the discoveries in real time. Everyday could 12 -18 hrs and I would fit in. I just had no time to follow the accepted things of the scholars as realizations in this journey happens very fast leading to all kinds of levels in truth following threads of thought in the contemplation and reflection and then building upon that to a further realisation not to mention the timeline paranormals in the journey of action done and discovered afterwards in the books of that particular action.

Like I said Im not a scholar or a great man of knowledge I failed more than I have been successful in the world system eyes. truly! You guys are smarter and more eloquent than myself. The research is just there ahahahah in all its mistakes and bad grammar ahahahah Sorry for that, but this journey is fast and there is much to cover in a short space of time and being the on the run Targum one can be forgiven for mistakes here and their.

ahahahahahaha

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:27 am

So these truths . . . how are they postulated or concluded upon??



man O man through my daily documentation of journey like in this and what I discover and realize along the way a journey of faith!! and in accordance to what I see in the images of the NASA worldwind images and how I was led to the places in the journey. Also there are much messages in the scriptures about this time and you can check it out at the links in the first page that lead to all the forum replies over the years all was documented in the timeline. Upon this personal experience I postulated my opinions and thoughts and conclusion in the beforehand experience.

Is that good and technical enough for you. Through realisation of the fragments found in relation to the focalization to the ancient places...following threads of commonality that had a common message and was relevant based on my own knowledge of religion and science in harmony and based on things uncovered things which to me became fact. But it still is all based on faith and we do have targets to go for and to prove!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:33 am

DNEH wrote:

sevens wrote:DNEH

Continue to look into it and then match any evidence from science, stuff like that.

Check out the ancient places and do some keyword searches.

Its a great book

Sevens



What? Like humans evolving
suddenly in 3 mutations from Lemurs and a couple giving birth to 19 children that were "five red, two orange, four yellow, two green, four blue, and two indigo"

Is that the kind of science you'd like me to try and match? Can you hang on a bit I'll pop down to the biology department coffee room and see how it goes over, OK?



So what's wrong with that.

Ok so follow the track and see where it leads in a new way of seeing things. Look at it from that perspective and run some experiments to see if this is possible, Sudden mutation.

Does that seem so bad, Sudden mutation in one family bearing twins.

Why couldn't that happen.

I think the 3 mutations occurred over a time period.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:50 am

justwondering

I know there will be no support coming from the scientific community, off course they will not support this but this journey is derived on other foundations and the methodology is varied.

So what if Im not excepted by world standards, I know what I see and read.

I have nothing to loose at all, least of all reputation ahahahah there is none.

Like I said I dont do this to be accepted by the world. I know rejection of this is full and complete because people simply dont believe these things. Christians, Islamics and Buddhist dont care about this. I know Atheist wont believe this. That's OK it was all foreseen and thats
why I am not worried at all! Even if there is no opportunity to go out there, its doesn't matter because the key has opened the lock. Much of what will happen today will determine much in the future and there could be a reckoning of many things.

I can prove it through a simple journey on a boat with all the relevant equipment and the right people.

 

Come join, its open to anyone and they can be halfhearted for sure.

 

You are basing this, all of this, on your private opinions, thoughts and experiences, and arriving at conclusions based upon no academic structure or a priori knowledge whatsoever?



Yep that's right all based on faith in the books and what I find and connect in the realisation...pure faith! and using science in the way of NASA worldwind software.

I read and I see with a book in one hand images in other.

How dumb and simple is that!!! and man just cant believe it and get around it.



Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:59 am

Yeah no worries, all the best to you. thanks for dropping by.]

What this project needs is a white knight on a white horse like in the Holy Grail! Like the finest character of the knight
templar with a heart of pure Gold ahahahahah Im being creative and yet its like a prayer to the Father from his sons who do need his help to rouse the world and bring this journey about to its final conclusion.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:14 am

Gagliardi wrote:

What this project needs is a white knight on a white horse like in the Holy Grail! Like the finest character of the knight templar with a heart of pure Gold ahahahahah Im being creative and yet its like a prayer to the Father from his sons who do need his help to rouse the world and bring this journey about to its final conclusion.



Can I buy some drugs from you?



No, but you could be a little more positive!

All the best thanks for dropping by.

Man really lives up to his name and what's written about him in this day! Dumb man is just walking prophecy ready for fulfillment! Undeniable!


Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:25 am

I meant this thread, I thought he dropped by and made a comment and moved on.

Didnt he do that. He came by read and left a comment and went on his way and I thanked him for his post. He has his own view!

Isnt that what people do on forums, they go to a thread posted by another read and make comment.

Normal chain of events I would say!

What so mystifying about that??

ahahahahaha

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:37 am

So we could all stand and stare in wonderment at his amazing discovery.



so now does this thread devolve to sarcasm from positive enquiry.

Is this what mankind is all about, is the
intellectual prowess of man in light of the ancient times in there face and unable to respond, well in the most crappiest way! Is this children of the great system we have, where everyone is just about pissed of with it, the system man created for himself.

Is this the level of his spirituality! toilet level.

sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Hey ArchMichael.

I opened up a thread on Richard Dawkins forum I found a way to prove God

Alot of dissaffected Christians there, looks like the church failed them in a miserable way thanks to all the judgment and poor witness they have produced.

http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/vie ... &start=175

Its been very interesting

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:54 pm

So lets go out there and find ourselves a lost city.

What are we waiting for!

Lets go now! or are all to afraid to do that!

Come on mankind where is your courage and all your talk.

Lets just do it with all scholars in the wake! all kinds of wakes, time for a stiff drink eh!

ahahahahahahahahaha

nothing complicated about the Endeavour or does it create complication and unrest?? ahahahahahah
!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:09 pm

All quotes

Aahh you guys are hopeless

Its there I tell you its there awaiting the great scientist, atheist and religionist alike.

your the scientists of the world, the great leaders of science well beat this one. ahahahahaha

With all the drug advise save it, you'll need it for yourselves for when you come out of shock/horror in that sevens was right!

ahahahahahaha

hey no point me getting serious right! you gotta have a laugh eh! ahahahahah

ahhh youre all on the run

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:24 pm

justwondering wrote:

DNEH wrote:

ginckgo wrote:

justwondering wrote:DNEH? Do you think he has a workable postulate? :think:



haha, I read "workable prostitute" :funny: Oh man, I need more sleep



Maybe he has several-they might be able to finance the expedition :hum:



You guys are nasty. :roll:



:funny:



I dont think the islamist likes what Im doing at all as it highlights all there error in the use of death and destruction through the use of the name of Paradise words.

This research puts them on the run as they are using death and destruction in their actions they are definitely in the wrong side of Paradise.

They dont like this but they stumped and are speechless at this time apart from the
usuall rhetoric without understanding. Its the same principle that is happening here.

There are many scripts that deal with the consequences of terrorism.

This research can find the solution for them but there own pride and prejudice prevents them from being a recipient of the research.

There is more going on here that deals with the errors of religion than anything on the planet.

By the way there is no one to finance this project because man essentially is a big CHICKEN. Just say if Im right and you find that and you are all wrong and you realize this after the door is closed. Thats
when the great realisation occurs.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:31 pm

DNEH wrote:

justwondering wrote:DNEH? Do you think he has a workable postulate? :think:



Sevens seems like a really nice person-unlike most of the religious crazies we get here. I for one had never heard of the "Book of Urantia' so I have learned something new, as I so often do here (so :cheers: Sevens). As a scientist my opinion is that it is absolutely bat shit crazy.

However, I am going to see if I can get a hard copy and plan on reading it next week when I have a long haul flight to the UK. My only concern is that the plane get diverted and I get arrested 'cos of my maniacal, non stop, hysterical laughter.



DNEH is the most enlightened person and is the smarted guy here. However you need a flight that will go for 5 weeks to read the UB word by word.

I would recommend beginning with the 3rd main section and read about what the books says about the origins of the planet. After that the 2nd sections and then the 4th Section.

All the best in your endeavors and thanks for having a look.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:40 pm

ginckgo wrote:

jimmo wrote:

OHSU wrote:

DNEH wrote: UGH. Was it just me or did I see an astounding lack of footnotes and scholarly references?



What nonsense are you spouting, man? We have no time for
scholarly references! We're on a quest!



The big question is - when you get to the lost city, will MacDonalds already have opened up a franchise there? :)



dude, you're behind the times: it's Starbucks now.

and the real questions is: why can't I find it on Google Maps?!?



Because Google does not have Bathy in there software and
thats why you will never find the cities nor Macdonalds under the water.

Is there a serious expanded scientist here?? or are they all brainwashed with skeptism a spiritual disease. ahahahahaha

ahhh
its a cruel world and people rejoice in this. everything is all upside down.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:45 pm

mindyourmind wrote:You know, sevens, one of the many things that bother me about this thread of yours is how sometimes you come across as someone who is certainly not posting in his first (or second) language, and at other times (like the last couple of posts) you come across as quite eloquent and capable of efficient spelling and grammar. You wouldn't just be farkin with us now would ya?



No Im very serious about all this I wouldn't screw with you at all, I have too much respect for you.

I wouldn't BS about this If I didn't believe this I wouldn't present this. Why would I?? would seem like a waste of time!

No way man, all I say is lets go out there and come along in spirit.

Hey If I am wrong Im wrong but that has to be demonstrated in a physical enquiry.

Lets do it somehow. This project connects all the past symbols and is the research of the Symbols as foreseen. Connecting all the symbols. Apparently this how the last Imam enters the fray of religion and science. I just discovered that a week ago.

You know the funniest part if this work is of the Last Imam then the Islamist has to dismantle all armies of violence which I proclaimed to them and they must adhere to the words of the Last Imam. ahahahahahahah

That's why they are currently is disarray I already found the jewel of Khorasan and fulfilled there Shia scripts concerning the last messenger.

They must listen to me ahahahahahah and we know they wont because of false ideas and to much pride and prejudice!

See all the religion are disarray because of me and this journey, this journey is the key of Paradise given to the last messenger of truth! the real truth!

I believe we have a great window of opportunity that does include the atheist and scientist, there is a spot open for him on this journey!




Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:43 pm

cateye wrote:Can we keep that guy? :lol:



For sure friend unto the eternal levels beyond space time unto Paradise itself! an inward journey of God and Man together as friends! The best of friends.

The journey to the ancient places is an extension of that friendship and is open to all mankind on every level.

Sevens

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:00 pm

A few posts back I mentioned to you that I fulfilled Shia scripture by locating the Jewell of Khorasan

For the benefit of this research here is the link to the thread

http://www.imanway.com/en/showthread.ph ... #post18501

you might have to join. However it might be intriguing in some ways to see this research in religious areas of other religions that have commonality.

Trying to navigate through this and making this acceptable and worthy mind you its all rejected and I have been banned previously from there. However, I felt it my responsibility to share with Islam for theior
benefit on truth with a message of correction. You might what to back track on the conversation when I entered the thread. Then go from there and see how the thread evolves. It was a matter of sharing common scripts and thoughts in a spirit of goodwill to the ancient locations and I know its the only path that seems logical to them and which include a new book, directly.

I hope this will help to bring an end to religious terrorism or maybe this war we seem to have.

Its not the governments that will bring peace to these regions but the truth of all things and that will change everything of knowledge in expansion in the demonstration.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:09 pm

Ok no worries, thanks for looking at the information.

Fair Dinkum how do you now that I am wrong...you dont know that...either way!

Oi you cant just quit like that! come on man. What are you man or mouse eh! come on. Lets go there and find everything.

Let us journey into the lost worlds of truth and understanding into the new frontiers of real truth in the verification of the journey.

You know the real Epic of the Gardens of the Gods or the Atlantis journey coming into the realities of mankind as foreseen.

I say: Sheesh and ahahahahah
like in the videos from Lucid.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:47 pm

Fallible wrote:Awww I like sevens. He's nice. Plus he hasn't told me I'm gonna burn yet, which is a plus.



Hey thanks

The Hell doctrine is man conceived doesn't exist, its a scare tactic thousands of years old. Part evolutionary religion and not of revelatory religion this corrected in the Urantia Book and Ive come to that conclusion myself through my own investigations.

However everyone has to research that themselves. Above all things knowing what I know in this journey the Jesus account in the Urantia Book has really expanded my personal relationship with him knowing him from the books and the UB and through experience in the journey to the places and all the realizations in the discovery along the way. Its just the way it shaped for me.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:47 pm

Fallible wrote:Awww I like sevens. He's nice. Plus he hasn't told me I'm gonna burn yet, which is a plus.



Hey thanks

The Hell doctrine is man conceived doesn't exist, its a scare tactic thousands of years old. Its Part of evolutionary religion and not of revelatory religion this is corrected in the Urantia Book and Ive come to that conclusion myself through my own investigations.

However everyone has to research that themselves. Above all things knowing what I know in this journey the Jesus account in the Urantia Book has really expanded my personal relationship with him knowing him from the books and the UB and through experience in the journey to the places and all the realizations in the discovery along the way. Its just the way it shaped for me.

Its very beautiful when you discover something and realize it and feel this oneness in the discovery with the Father from within and by faith knowing you being guided all the way. Going into paths unknown relying on recognition and instinct and seeing a truth connection in the flash of the moment, making a calculation and then recording it and finding it fits but knowing where it leads and then finding the connection based on a hunch. Stuff like that all realizations along the way. That to me is inspiring.

Sevens


Jesus' 7 Parable Prayers

 

John, Is there another messenger


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:12 am

Ah, that was great LF I think I'll be picturing the Indian Chappie every time I read one of Sevens posts



Thats
a good idea, do that with the Atlantis Helmut and I think you will results. hehehe hahahah hehehe

The Urantia Book should be checked out thoroughly it may expand on things you have perhaps never thought of and that have the benefit of verification. There are many other things that have been verified in the UB which does harmonize with science.

Without the benefit of Kellogg corn flakes I wouldn't experience this great journey! thanks to corn flakes. Obviously there was more in the packet than Corn Flakes.

bom bah boom bah boom bah boom bah booooom ahahahah hehehehehehe Im so happy, Im so happy.

That Indian chappie cracks me up

Sevens
 


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Quote:

Good luck, sevens. I hope you realize - eventually - that there is no other Truth but God and Jesus Christ.



I realize that, if I say trinity over there I will get banned and that would be my third time and then all my efforts are in vain in presenting this to Islam. When I say one God of Paradise I speak of the Father but I know the trinity is a threefold manifestation with Jesus and the Holy spirit. The are one in of itself the 3 manifestations.

Ive spoken many times about Jesus as my friend and Saviour why do you doubt my love and belief in Jesus.

Sevens



Sevens


Icon 1 posted 07-18-2008 05:41 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPa3OLx8KOM

bom bah boom bah boom bah boom bah booooom ahahahah hehehehehehe Im so happy, Im so happy, Im so happy!!!

sevens


Icon 1 posted 07-18-2008 06:17 PM


This whole description sounds like Dilmun in the Persian Gulf submerged you can even see images of it. The early Egyptians migrated from there

 

quote:


The harbor
The entire area was densely crowded with habitations; and the canal and the largest of the harbors were full of vessels and merchants coming from all parts, who, from their numbers, kept up a multitudinous sound of human voices, and din and clatter of all sorts night and day
 


Here is link Chittim/cyprus

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/isa23.htm

Tartessus is not Atlantis Just a minor punic colony.

sevens


Back to John's revelation. One clue is offered. "But he was gifted with a remarkable and creative imagination." page 1554

and t
hen, pg 1555

"When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John's writing.
It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form."


http://www.inspiredbooks.com/The-Final-Prophet.htm


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:12 am

justwondering wrote:Sevens, these links and whatnot you persist in referring to, are websites built by what could be anyone. There's no critical peer review, no bibliography, no footnotes referring to other references.

STOP ALREADY.

You should know by know what we require as a group of skeptical thinkers.



Dont worry about it there is no peer to review this, no one believes it anyway so why are you so worried.

This project is an all time failure. I just wanted to test it out and see how the atheist felt.

No one is going to support this regardless of who becuase the potential results are to devastating if its verified.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:21 am

Seems someone is just putting us on. POE, indeed.



Im not sure what a POE is but I can tell you this research is very serious but it has no support.

That is all and this is tested by the response on this thread.

I wouldnt waste the years looking into this If I felt there was nothing to it.

I felt there is something to it and can only go by gut feelings and instinct like any researcher or digger of truth!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:36 am

Worried? I'm not worried, just troubled that you've taken so much time on this, when it's obvious fallacious by virtue of the fact that it's not even a hypothesis, let alone an idea of any merit.

This project is an all time failure. I just wanted to test it out and see how the atheist felt.

The project of finding verifiable evidence of these civilizations you purport to be at the bottom of the Persian Gulf? -- or the project of attempting to get glowing reports from a group of atheists??



Well you know, you have to give things a go. It might of been the greatest failure in my life but you have to test it out. I never expected much from anyone anyway in all of these tracks.

All the project is thoughts upon thoughts with the best links I could find to verify, basically laying a track that can be expanded upon and with the NASA images to support.

Its really quite simple but it does create complexity if its proven true.

However with this research being here its quite challenging as people dont quite know if its true or not. I can assure anyone Im not having anyone one or trying to be funny in this direction. I just
wouldnt waste my time if I felt it was not true or false. Why would I do that!

People talk about God delusion and thats fair enough only because religion today in its current limitations is so limited and must be expanded and the only way to find expansion is to seek the truth and verify it and then it will set you free. Well thats what I experienced in this journey and thats
Im bold as to put up this information so we can all benefit if there is a truth that can be explored to its final conclusion.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:41 am

You misunderstand science, then, Sevens.

The whole body of science exists, waiting to be upset by the next theory that will add to the body of knowledge. No one will be devastated, IF your hypothesis and subsequent research and findings are up to snuff with proper scientific methodology.

Your persistent ideology that your findings will somehow prove god is going to be challenged veraciously, however.



Oh well maybe I misunderstand science and how it views things, I know it will never be excepted in public realms in this day but maybe in the future.
Hienrich Schliemann was a example in the discovery of Myceanea and the City of Troy rumaging through the texts. Like in this journey and nothing unlike the discovery of the wall in 1stEden.

In the following I thought was a good standard of discovery

 

The sincere pursuit of goodness, beauty, and truth leads to God. And every scientific discovery demonstrates the existence of both freedom and uniformity in the universe. The discoverer was free to make the discovery. The thing discovered is real and apparently uniform, or else it could not have become known as a thing.



Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:45 am

Your persistent ideology that your findings will somehow prove god is going to be challenged veraciously, however.



I know, thats why I simply say lets go on an expedition and verify what is written and what is in the images

Very simple process!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:58 am

Your opinions of the complexity and nature of the findings should be left to your audience, once again. You are doing a great disservice to humanity by implying things that are not founded on reason and scientific research.



If you went through everything you would find it was based on the most most logical reason based on religion harmonized with science.

2 expeditions was based on it and the wall was discovered. not to mention other anomalies targets, the boat was filled with scientists.

The wall in Dalamatia City is 40 feet high and was made out of brick. I would expect to find petrified brick in a wall shape that have symmetry and design like I see in the images.

Is that not difficult where a normal man can his draw his opinions based on the verification and the parameters set through the descriptions of the city found in a book. I find that quite a simple test of truth that any man could understand, let alone a scientist in reviewing the results.

Personally its not whether a scientist accepts the verification or not but whether the thing is true and if it has uniformity with all the information.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:05 am

The history and body of science in our history is filled with scientists who have chased evidence in search of justification for their hypotheses. That's not the way to go about it. You have to examine evidence and try to prove yourself wrong, and submit it to peers in the field for review.

Knock yourself out, as I said. You've submitted your ideas here, and you've been met with skeptical input. If you're prepared for the input you'll get from archaeologists or historians, which will likely be more harsh, then go for it.



Thanks for your advise

But at the end of the day I say that the following image is a city and that is described in the UB a new book that can be investigated.

Image

If the city can be verified then the book would pass the test authenticity and worthwhile to read for any man if he chooses.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:14 am

I feel I can prove many things that can follow a logical path. What Methodology are you thinking of? How does that work? Is there but one type of methodology?

The methodology I was thinking of is core samples, excavations found upon anomalous signs, identifying shards of written stone, Carved stone slabs and buried artworks studded with precious stones and a city with walls and 10 primary subdivisions within the main walls. I figure if that would be proven true then all the other information that led to the place is authentic namely the Urantia Book.

That is my expectation and since the Urantia Book purports to be written by the personalities of the realm of Paradise and of this planet in the eternal realm for man and writes about the cities of the past that can be discovered and verified then I would suggest this would prove God!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:28 am

If you are attempting to determine whether your physical findings (the wall) are representative of the culture that produced the writings you site here, I suggest you get some introduction to archaeological method and theory.



Well explain it to me!

Doesn't an archaeologist go on hunches and look for evidence in following their inner feelings?? Isn't that the base feeling of a discoverer to venture out where no man has ventured to within his mind in what he sees using whatever resource available to him and finds the thing that fills the puzzle of his thread of inquiry.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:37 am

Again, you may have a wall that corresponds to something in writings of a civilization that produced those writings. This does not prove a god!! All it proves, possibly, is that a culture exists that produced these writings!!



But when the culture relates itself to the basis of religion today through a couple of personalities then it becomes something else. Perhaps that they would rather be left under the mat, ignore denial.

With the atheist views you have methodology and exclusion in light of the same information shown to the religionist.


Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:02 am

I can see what your saying but I think I will get the hat in the first instance.

Actually I remember the time when I discovered the city I was following a search on the Persian Gulf 15,000 years ago and came across this scientist who claimed that the Persian Gulf was dry and he expressing frustration at the lack of research done in the Persian Gulf regarding exploration for ancient cities.

He hand draw the extension of the rivers flowing along Iran. When I read his site it occurred to me to look at this region as Dalamatia City came into my mind. I know Dalamatia City was near a sea or inland sea and could reflect an outflow of these rivers into a lake. Plus I would expect to find signs of submergence as I know the city was destroyed by rapid submergence and a tidal wave 200,000 years ago.

Apparently in our day there is Gas found in these regions, large amounts which is the sign of rapid submergence that has continued in the region. No one has dived the area because its 80 meters and you need a
rebreather.

Anyway, I went to the general area using NASA worldwind and saw instantly the general area as indicated by a submerged look and upon closer examination I noticed the first of the walls and a 5 wall intersect. It was a few weeks before i
noticed triangular shaped walls and it was a few months later before I could see it was a triangle city with a circular temple in the middle as described.

That was the story and it was through the frustration of a scientist reaching a dead end with his hand drawn image that made me think of Dalamatia City and I believe I discovered the location.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:20 am

I wouldn't toss out religion completely there is more to it and I believe its being uncovered right now.

I know the witness of religion is perceived as limited unrealistic and so forth. Full of doctrine a dogma and much of it will change. However, there are truths in it and is modified and brought forward for our day through these types of enquiries. Religion is also going through its evolution but in revelatory process and in this day I believe we or I can verify this. I know its easy to criticize it but there is something to it and its not what you think in the current view from what I can see going down these paths of the cities.

Everyone has there but that what I see and I think there is a way of testing it and that's by going there and seeing the truth of the matter.

In light of all the arguments of Atheism skeptism and so forth, I believe the case of the cities religion is the reply of true religion and we can simply go there.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:25 am

DiFontane wrote:Hi sevens,

just to get this straight, Dalamatia City is the same as the Atlantis discovered by Robert Sarmast and you're just looking for company on your exploration?



No what Robert Sarmast discovered is 1stEden or the Atlantis of the Mediterranean 38,000 years ago.

What I propose that Dalamatia City written about from the same source lays submerged in the Persian Gulf, it was destroyed 200,000 years ago. I believe I have found the city in
the Southern Persian Gulf and want to verify it.

Simple as that. I also see it as a way of proving God and his guidance.

By revealing all this its an open journey not kept hush hush or kept secret, its an honest journey with a test, to test the fibre of man in truth in the manifestation of it, in of itself.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:36 am

Chairman Bill wrote:

sevens wrote:... Actually I remember the time when I discovered the city I was following a search on the Persian Gulf 15,000 years ago ...



Bloody hell! He's got a time machine! Well why didn't you say? Count me in mate. I'm up for some exploring through time. Can I bring a friend?
Image
:-D

ahahahaha

for sure

You see this journey is all character building as it concerns the motive of man within himself and the cities brings it out.


sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:55 am

I dont now if I could ever get out there for all we now with what I have revealed it could be some treasure hunter pirate out to ravage the heritage of the Ages for financial gain or even to destroy the heritages.

But who would care right, under the mat. To hot to handle for anyone and also indicate another lost opportunity for mankind.

Anyway thanks for looking at the information I appreciate your replies.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:12 am

The Urantia Book speaks of a stone wall and that's precisely what we discovered. There is no mention of manmade wall.

The stone wall part of the temple which is the Acropolis of the 3 circles.

The whole structure is natural as mentioned in the UB but the Acropolis was modified or enhanced and most likely the wall.

The wall was the only thing that survived when the peninsula submerged but there are other anomalies which appears to be a quarry close to the acropolis, this quarry seems to have square outline shape.

It needs a 3rd expedition.

I believe there is more to find in the 1stCity as well.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:12 am

The Urantia Book speaks of a stone wall and that's precisely what we discovered. There is no mention of manmade wall.

The stone wall part of the temple which is the Acropolis of the 3 circles.

The whole structure is natural as mentioned in the UB but the Acropolis was modified or enhanced and most likely the wall.

The wall was the only thing that survived when the peninsula submerged but there are other anomalies which appears to be a quarry close to the acropolis, this quarry seems to have square outline shape.

It needs a 3rd expedition.

I believe there is more to find in the 1stCity as well.

 

And you're inviting us to join you? Do you have a sponsor? Is the trip free?
You are aware they are a little picky to whom they give out permits for archaeological excavations?
 



No Im not asking for money because I know no one will sponsor this anyway. There all too gutless.

Im here to share this with my peers.
ahaha aha ahaha

I have no peers you are my peers, peers who dont believe me but talk to me.
Sevens

 


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:12 am

The Urantia Book speaks of a stone wall and that's precisely what we discovered. There is no mention of manmade wall.

The stone wall part of the temple which is the Acropolis of the 3 circles.

The whole structure is natural as mentioned in the UB but the Acropolis was modified or enhanced and most likely the wall.

The wall was the only thing that survived when the peninsula submerged but there are other anomalies which appears to be a quarry close to the acropolis, this quarry seems to have square outline shape.

It needs a 3rd expedition.

I believe there is more to find in the 1stCity as well.

 

And you're inviting us to join you? Do you have a sponsor? Is the trip free?
You are aware they are a little picky to whom they give out permits for archaeological excavations?
 



No Im not asking for money because I know no one will sponsor this anyway. There all too gutless.

Im here to share this with my peers.
ahaha aha ahaha

I have no peers you are my peers, peers who dont believe me but talk to me.
Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:25 am

Its funny I wrote to George Bush to send out his fleet to the area and check out the 1stCity as the city and knowledge about it could provide the remedy to terrorism.

Twice I wrote but never a response. I thought it was a good idea.

I phoned a university and explained myself and virtually told to
pissoff Eden doesn't exist point blank ahaha. You know, Only a white knight who has all the resources and contacts to make the door open can do this. Not some university they wont fund this project based on this information even though it would do the religion and history faculty wonders.

I wrote to a number of bible colleges without a reply, I wrote to the catholic church and was thanked for the email that was the only response I ever had. Maybe Im not the right guy but I like to talk about it, at least I can test it out even if its a laughing point to some. However it could be a doubled edged sword of truth from a simple discovery ahahahaha


See no one knows whether its true or not! no one has proven that yet. No one has been there.

This place could be like a trap door everyone ignores in the time but in all the time there is something to it as foreseen.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:09 am

This is the fragment Im speaking about which applies to 1stEden

 

When the plans of the Material Son went astray, Adam and his family were not permitted to carry the core of the tree away from the Garden. When the Nodites invaded Eden, they were told that they would become as "gods if they partook of the fruit of the tree." Much to their surprise they found it unguarded. They ate freely of the fruit for years, but it did nothing for them; they were all material mortals of the realm; they lacked that endowment which acted as a complement to the fruit of the tree. They became enraged at their inability to benefit from the tree of life, and in connection with one of their internal wars, the temple and the tree were both destroyed by fire; only the stone wall stood until the Garden was subsequently submerged. This was the second temple of the Father to perish.
 



here is an image

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40ft Bricked walls and so forth Im relating to Dalamatia City another journey in itself!

From the description of the place there were ditches for irrigation and pavement all over the place

 

At the time of Adam's arrival, though the Garden was only one-fourth finished, it had thousands of miles of irrigation ditches and more than twelve thousand miles of paved paths and roads . There were a trifle over five thousand brick buildings in the various sectors, and the trees and plants were almost beyond number. Seven was the largest number of houses composing any one cluster in the park. And though the structures of the Garden were simple, they were most artistic. The roads and paths were well built, and the landscaping was exquisite.



I thoughts is that the builders quarried the pavement materials from this
closeby location as seen in this infermer data image close by to the Acropolis Hill

Image

and this is the symbol of the place inbuilt into the Acropolis Hill. The fingerprint of the builders of the truth

Image

The 3 circles can be seen in the 1stCity.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:42 am

Perhaps, but we have to determine that??

Well with what I propose is a start for further enquiry.

sevens


 

Icon 1 posted 07-19-2008 04:51 PM


yes mom ahahaha

I read what he said no worries.

Dalamatia City submerged in the Persian Gulf that is where I think Atlantis is.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:17 pm

I see many things that are written about and I see a triangle city and its walls in the Persian Gulf images.

Its a matter of opinion for now and that why it has to investigated physically so we can prove things either way.

I see anomalies that look like a triangle city as described

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The stone wall in 1stEden is a stone wall as written about and found, whats the problem with that. It never said it was a brick wall or even manmade.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:31 pm

And that part has been covered by over 1000 m of water since 5.4 million years.



From what I understand there has been no drilling on the peninsula that's why a core sample is required. Much of your argument makes no sense particularly the one about salt.

I know there was high rainfall in the Eden hills to the North of the Acropolis like in some islands in the Hawaiian chain, there was water everywhere in 1stEden using much of the water for irrigation, it was truly a garden.

However I feel more will be found in the Persian Gulf as there would be more artifacts there as its was submerged under tidal wave and the artifacts would still be there. This verification would also help to prove 1stEden being a sister city and related in symbol/design and in truth.

Here is the image of the sunken Edenic peninsula

Image

here is an overview of the Edenic location, it appears to have
circular landmark surrounding the acropolis

Image

By the way didn't the Helenic peoples
use the acropolis Hill, a natural formation as a place of worship and even built upon the Hill that is natural, no different than in 1stEden?

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:56 pm

Sure I would like to get the full facts but that will take sometime. Prove my contention through verification in at least a submerged city does exist.

I reckon it makes a great scifi novel but could be listed in the true story section in the future. I also think it would make for one the most interesting presentation ever regarding all things pertaining to history, religion and science in general.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:20 pm

Facts: Get Some.



Ive showed you some facts in the above there infermer data scans except for the triangle city which is NASA software and the journey in relation to what's been guiding this journey that's a fact of many facts.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:34 pm

Yeah yeah yeah, its no optical illusion NASA said there was no mistake with the data.

I reckon you was eating Kellogg corn flakes by the
infrance.

There is more to Cornflakes than you think er er ahahahahahaha

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:40 pm

Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean?



Ahh come on man for sure, there would be many people that would know what its supposed to mean and the ramification.

There would be heaps of people I reckon there would be many that would find this inconvenient. It would be like a stone in the shoe.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:57 pm

I appreciate what your saying but in the case of Dalamatia City there are too many matches for it not to be there.

I can match up the information with what we see in the images. But somebody else would write the book but I do have the journal or the pathways.


Maybe Im to creative with Mars but I thought that was interesting.


Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:02 pm

Gee what are you waiting for Pappas..... Hancock!

This journey is going to take some time if at all, going by the current results.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:17 pm

cant see that, I reckon its possible to prove God and I reckon I closest in a physical way.

Through the verification of the cities and if I fulfill my big list of required discoveries at the city this would infer that the information that Im leaning on which claims to be written by Paradise must be true if the cities exist. If I can prove it in conclusion using a scientific method then the base must be true as it has informality.

I find it very exciting. But you never know this journey could suddenly get exciting!


Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:06 pm

Come on man I explained why it would prove God some posts back as in a verification of the cities in the images, A verification would endorse the source information that led me to the city written about it in the book.

What's wrong with that. You follow a book dont you The God Delusion. Can the book prove that God doesn't exist? if it can how does it do it.

What methodology does it follow.

sevens


I. Possible quotations from Apocalypse of Elijah (there are others that I haven't listed)

Pollicitatio, quam ore suo dominus promisit sanctis et inmaculatis daturum se,
eis quod non viderunt oculis, nec aures audierunt, nec in cor hominis ascendit,
et erit in aeternis aeternorum genus inconparabilis et [in]conspicibilis. (line 3ff)

"Great and honourable is the divine promise which the Lord has made with his own mouth to them that are holy and pure: He will bestow upon them what eyes have not seen nor ears heard, nor has it entered into any human heart. And from eternity to eternity there will be a race incomparable and incomprehensible."

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/courses/735/Parabiblical/pstitus.htm
 

Latin:

English: [Peter speaking] "...you shall obtain those things of which he [Jesus Christ] says to you,
'What eye has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it entered the heart of man.'"

4. Gospel of Thomas, logion 17: Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."


PAPER 135 - JOHN THE BAPTIST, Oct 19 2000
 

  • line 71: Throughout this period John read much in the sacred writings which he found at the Engedi home of the Nazarites. He was especially impressed by Isaiah and by Malachi, the last of the prophets up to that time. He read and reread the last five chapters of Isaiah, and he believed these prophecies. Then he would read in Malachi: "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord; and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers toward the children and the hearts of the children toward their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." And it was only this promise of Malachi that Elijah would return that deterred John from going forth to preach about the coming kingdom and to exhort his fellow Jews to flee from the wrath to come. John was ripe for the proclamation of the message of the coming kingdom, but this expectation of the coming of Elijah held him back for more than two years. He knew he was not Elijah. What did Malachi mean? Was the prophecy literal or figurative? How could he know the truth? He finally dared to think that, since the first of the prophets was called Elijah, so the last should be known, eventually, by the same name. Nevertheless, he had doubts, doubts sufficient to prevent his ever calling himself Elijah

Isaiah 60 (King James Version)

 

The last five books of Isaiah

The Future Glory of Zion

60Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord. 7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. 8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. 10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. 11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces [3] of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. 13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious. 14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations. 16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. 17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness. 18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise. 19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. 20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. 21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. 22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

saba: satisfy, fill, full, plenty, satiate

shaba: sware, charge, oath

sheba: seven

 

 


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Here is a tudy about the last prophet, messenger or Elihaj and the last 5 books of Isaiah is about the last Messenger or one like Elijah.

 

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The UB PAPER 135 - JOHN THE BAPTIST, Oct 19 2000

line 71: Throughout this period John read much in the sacred writings which he found at the
Engedi home of the Nazarites. He was especially impressed by Isaiah and by Malachi, the last of the prophets up to that time. He read and reread the last five chapters of Isaiah, and he believed these prophecies. Then he would read in Malachi: "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord; and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers toward the children and the hearts of the children toward their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." And it was only this promise of Malachi that Elijah would return that deterred John from going forth to preach about the coming kingdom and to exhort his fellow Jews to flee from the wrath to come. John was ripe for the proclamation of the message of the coming kingdom, but this expectation of the coming of Elijah held him back for more than two years. He knew he was not Elijah. What did Malachi mean? Was the prophecy literal or figurative? How could he know the truth? He finally dared to think that, since the first of the prophets was called Elijah, so the last should be known, eventually, by the same name. Nevertheless, he had doubts, doubts sufficient to prevent his ever calling himself Elijah


Isaiah 60 (King James Version)

The last five books of Isaiah

<< Isaiah 59 | Isaiah 60 | Isaiah 61 >>

The Future Glory of Zion
60Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord. 7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. 8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the Lord thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee. 10 And the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls, and their kings shall minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have I had mercy on thee. 11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces [3] of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought. 12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. 13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious. 14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations. 16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. 17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness. 18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise. 19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. 20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. 21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. 22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the Lord will hasten it in his time.

saba: satisfy, fill, full, plenty, satiate
shaba: sware, charge, oath
sheba: seven


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Good Tidings of Salvation to Zion
61The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. 5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves. 7 For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them. 8 For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them. 9 And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the Lord hath blessed.

10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh [1] himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. 11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations
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62For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. 2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. 3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. 4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, [1] and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. 5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the Lord, keep not silence, 7 And give him no rest, [2] till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth. 8 The Lord hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured: 9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the Lord; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

10 Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people. 11 Behold, the Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work [3] before him. 12 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the Lord: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

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The Day of the LORD's Vengeance
63Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious [1] in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. 2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? 3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. 4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. 5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. 6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

The LORD's Goodness to Israel
7 I will mention the lovingkindnesses of the Lord, and the praises of the Lord, according to all that the Lord hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses. 8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour. 9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. 11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd [2] of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? 12 That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? 13 That led them through the deep, as an horse in the wilderness, that they should not stumble? 14 As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the Lord caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.

Prayer for Mercy and Help
15 Look down from heaven, and behold from the habitation of thy holiness and of thy glory: where is thy zeal and thy strength, the sounding [3] of thy bowels and of thy mercies toward me? are they restrained? 16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O Lord, art our father, our redeemer; [4] thy name is from everlasting. 17 O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance. 18 The people of thy holiness have possessed it but a little while: our adversaries have trodden down thy sanctuary. 19 We are thine: thou never barest rule over them; they were not called by thy name.

<< Isaiah 62 | Isaiah 63 | Isaiah 64 >>



sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Quote:

64 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence, 2 As when the melting [1] fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence! 3 When thou didst terrible things which we looked not for, thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy presence. 4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, [2] O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. 5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed [3] us, because of our iniquities. 8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. 9 Be not wroth very sore, O Lord, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people. 10 Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. 11 Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste. 12 Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O Lord? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?

<< Isaiah 63 | Isaiah 64 | Isaiah 65 >>
 



Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Here is a UB fragment about 2nd Isaiah
 

Quote:

The Jewish priesthood made liberal use of these writings subsequent to the captivity, but they were greatly hindered in their influence over their fellow captives by the presence of a young and indomitable prophet, Isaiah the second, who was a full convert to the elder Isaiah's God of justice, love, righteousness, and mercy. He also believed with Jeremiah that Yahweh had become the God of all nations. He preached these theories of the nature of God with such telling effect that he made converts equally among the Jews and their captors. And this young preacher left on record his teachings, which the hostile and unforgiving priests sought to divorce from all association with him, although sheer respect for their beauty and grandeur led to their incorporation among the writings of the earlier Isaiah. And thus may be found the writings of this second Isaiah in the book of that name, embracing chapters forty to fifty-five inclusive.

No prophet or religious teacher from Machiventa to the time of Jesus attained the high concept of God that Isaiah the second proclaimed during these days of the captivity. It was no small, anthropomorphic, man-made God that this spiritual leader proclaimed. "Behold he takes up the isles as a very little thing." "And as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts."


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At last Machiventa Melchizedek beheld human teachers proclaiming a real God to mortal man. Like Isaiah the first, this leader preached a God of universal creation and upholding. "I have made the earth and put man upon it. I have created it not in vain; I formed it to be inhabited." "I am the first and the last; there is no God beside me." Speaking for the Lord God of Israel, this new prophet said: "The heavens may vanish and the earth wax old, but my righteousness shall endure forever and my salvation from generation to generation." "Fear you not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God." "There is no God beside me--a just God and a Savior."



Perhaps Isaiah Chapters 40-45 can give us more clues to end time message and the signs we should be on the look out for.

There are many clues to the last messenger and the content of his message in the latter days.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 40&ver=kjv
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 42&ver=kjv
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 43&ver=kjv
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 44&ver=kjv
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 45&ver=kjv


You can definitely see the difference beyond these 5 books of 2nd Isaiah.


Sevens

 



Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:12 pm

Hey no worries

I thought the 5 last books of Isaiah and the 5 books of Isaiah 2 was all about this time. Grouped all together and I think you have the final scenario and the final John the Baptist in type which I believe is reflective of this time.

If John knew that the 2nd Elijah messenger wasn't about him then it must be about the messenger today or in the near future that comes from the beginning and from the sea that empowers the Israel and the Gentiles believers from all over the world. It also mentions rejection of his message where there is not one person in support. I think the Lord is not happy about that and passes a severe judgment where everyone is one there knees.

From what I can read, there is more in the chapters but the editing interface scrolls up all the time and IE doesn't work that well with this forum so I reduce my highlights, I also noticed another smoking thing to. The UB works in very well pointing to the relevant information of the last messenger in a round about way.

Whilst it explains Johns views at the time it points you in the right direction in a very subtle way.


Also I hate to say it but revelations has been distorted, added and subtracted to over the last 2000 years. I sense that much of the information cant be relied on the truth of the last scenario is contained but in fragment form. We have to find the relevant bits and it would be a good study.

 

Quote:

The UB
"When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John's writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form."



I feel that much of revelations will not come to pass and that's why many get confused with the book.

Nevertheless I would locate the fragments that reflect this journey to the Beginning. I personally think the Isaiah's are more accurate and the Odes of Solomon.

The www.inspiredbooks.com is a very excellent website and Edmund Roach is a great researcher and uses everything he can find. I respect his research even though I have some additional thoughts as I can see more and I think many scriptures a very personalized to the last messenger.

He is a Christian leader to I think. He would be a good researcher/preacher/teacher

I also want to say that the Dead Sea Scrolls are something else and the last teacher of righteousness saw this whole scenario and was very accurate. I honour the Last teacher of Righteousness and the ones before the last. The Essenes where a good people that gave so much to this end time solution. I respect the Essenes and there work over the years BC and through there work in the Dead Sea Scrolls which the Lord revealed to us in recent history for this time now.

That's the reason I opened the Office of the Messiah because I was inspired by the Zadokite document and I wanted to honour the Teacher of Righteousness and fulfill his words and then soon after I found Jane Lead and her confirmation of the Office of the Messiah and then I found reference to it in the Odes of Solomon and just recently found the Office through John Gills writings in his Targum not to mention the foreseen Targum that emanates out of the Med and the Persian Gulf, the Targum of the sea.

Glory be to the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven my friend and Saviour.


all the best
Sevens

 


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:57 am

Rumertron wrote:I don't wish to be unkind and I am not poking fun, but have you considered the possibility that you are suffering from paranoid schizophrenia?



Hi I appreciate your post and your concern however I not suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, I feel quite peaceful about what Im finding and quietly confident of many things.

You see I dont throw out everything I consider all things that is written and I do respect the prophets and seers and what they foresaw in the time space dimension. I just wouldn't under estimate anything that is going on particularly in reference to what was expressed about our time in this day. Grouped all together and you have the final scenario of demonstration in a scenario that I do recognize and find myself in the middle of.

Richard Dawkins has his view about God Delusion and that his realisation in his life work and inquiry based on what he understands. I think he raises many good points that I respect and Christianity or religion should look at itself and review many things because I feel its on an outworn path in what I see and hear. Religion really needs upgrading in today's society and I think its currently happening now, everyone here is part of the upgrade whether they know it or not because something will be demonstrated that will be undeniable and I think its related to the ancient places. But maybe, something extra may occur.

No one can run from this.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:10 am

You need to read The God Delusion again. Proving a negative goes nowhere. The burden is on the believer. And proving something that's invisible with suppositions and baseless assertions is weak



JustWondering

I see God as a positive through the revelatory experience. God perceived in the negative way in my mind is part evolutionary religion and its negative viewpoint.

I find this demonstration very positive and enlightening and I see its full of blessings for those with faith. However I feel a plumb line is being drawn in the sand dealing with something that came from the beginning and that will be demonstrated. There is a negative that has to be dealt with (Universal Government family business) and its related to the 1stCity from the sea from where the problems began for this planet.

All man will see this

Last night there was great breakthrough following the tracks and there was much discovered that points directly to the cities and the journey and what occurs and Im telling you there is much going on. Dont throw everything away we must all be wise and consider all things even if its half hearted but I wouldn't under estimate a thing of truth and its demonstration in this time.

Im only here to help ok, in case man needs help from what I see and the Atheist is just as valuable as any other man and must be informed.

I am on stand by to the movements of the Paradise Universal Government. That's for sure after discovering, recognizing and finding confirmation with many things last night.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:34 am

Here is video of what some might expect from the wider religious prospective.

Obviously I was interested in the whole video but the prophetic words of the Kolbrin Bible truly fascinated me as we have not heard this information before.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358

There was a few things that I could identify with being on this journey to the first places.


sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:34 am

BWE_the real_one. wrote:What a fun thread. I've got one of those giant theory things too. But I can't prove God with mine. :(

Keep it up. :)


 

Hey no worries Im glad you find it interesting for me its just enthralling, the possibilities and where it leads to on every level is bigger than sliced bread. From what I see this will be bigger than anything man can imagine as far as Im concerned.

It was all foreseen, by all from all over different cultures so that at one day the truth would come in a unity through the relevant truth fragments in relation to what we see before our eyes in the discovery.

That would be the demonstration I reckon at least on a level of enlightenment and truth and to me would prove God as it all came from a God book. That's what I'm testing and yet I find myself immersed in this all time reality epic of mankind. Just amazing from where I sit and what I see.

Anyway thanks for looking it will be interesting how this path pans out.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:08 am

I think it deals with things that are outstanding in the Age and resets the path of the planet on the road to the Utopian Ages which would take 1000 years to evolve and also there will be representatives from the Paradise Universal Government here and including the tree of life for the elect who will assist the Paradise Universal Government on Earth.

I believe the future world will one of beauty and provision for all and it will be better world.

I tell you something else that will spin you out. The elect will sup of the tree of life and will have immortality, the elect maybe partnered with the remaining progeny of Adam upon there return seen in Enoch. The elect in a sense will be like little Adams and Eve monogamous and will have large families. The families wont have access to the tree of life but there will be two types of death realized, death through the normal way or translation which will happen at a temple that will be built by the Universal Government.

Access into this new world is through faith incorporating the teachings of Jesus simply and it comes down to Love one another and rebuilding the eternal bridge to God in your own individual way. Personal and intimate and you dont have to tell anyone. A great sign will be given beforehand that change is imminent but it will be rejected across the board and we know that right! ahahahaha. I believe its the journey and path to the ancient places. Its the path to the beginning and the ancient places is the path through the abyss like in days of Moses' day which is like a type for this journey in the Targum of the 2 seas, its laying a track through the sea and is the pathway of safety layed through the abyss, the sea. Im afraid there will be many that will not believe this and I can understand that but I am strong that this is path to the judgement day as foreseen in the scriptures.

I say this as a friend but again I believe this is the reply of the Paradise Universal Government to the God Delusion Book and we have to see what manifests. Its a day by day journey!

If you like a tip into this panorama of this journey and pathway you can read it all in Isaiah 40-45 http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 40&ver=kjv . I believe this is all about the Last Messenger before great change and I believe confirms this on the run journey with a battalion of angels at the ready. The only thing that restrains them or everything is the path of when I realize things in this journey being on the run.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:09 am

I think you're just teasing.



No, I reckon I can prove it through this demonstration to the ancient places and its connection to a new book.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:20 am

alright ahahahahaha that was funny

Anyway, all interesting thoughts to ponder and you dont have believe anything that is posted here. No problem!

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:36 am

Katherine wrote:

sevens wrote:I cant see that, I reckon its possible to prove God and I reckon Im closest in the physical using this construct.
 


Sevens, I have been following this thread with some interest. Mainly, because I am enjoying one bit a lot. The fact that nobody here takes you or your wishy-washy logic seriously.

Claiming you're the closest to proving the existence of Mr Invisible Magic Man is breathtakingly arrogant.



Thanks for looking into this but I dont think Im being arrogant anymore than someone writing the God Delusion and denying God exists. Im not saying Richard Dawkins is arrogant why he is a researcher of his truth and many people believe him. Like with me nothing wrong in making inquiry into whether
God exists and showing a method to prove it through my journey with God inwardly and outwardly and showing the on the run results.

I have proposed the thought and I shown a way and continue to do so. All we have to do is go out there and see what lays submerged like we did with 1stEden concerning the wall.

Verification would verify the source information thus leading to God and maybe God may demonstrate something upon discovery or at anytime to show himself to all man. That is quite possible now that we are on the path with all our views.

Maybe in the beginning the research could of been wishy washy but as the journey progressed not knowing where it would lead to it has firmed up much and has become very definitive. I have been corrected in a few things along the way, upon realisation but each day the journey does get better as I dig further and find more connections that leads to other paths of discovery and realisation in the same focalization
.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:48 am

Katherine wrote:Having been here for just 10 days and having over 100 posts already is also rather worrying. Have you never been outside since joining here?



Thanks for your concern about my welfare. Im Ok and do work in between all things.

If you where me and you stumbled onto the greatest mystery and it inspired you I'm sure you would be doing the same thing.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:58 am

ahahahahahahahah

I refer to the Indian Laughing Chappie

I am happy and relaxed
I am happy and relaxed
I am happy and relaxed
I am happy and relaxed

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:07 am

Posse Comitatus wrote:Maybe. If so, I'm sure they'll do it at their leisure in the heavenly spheres of eternity



Maybe they might reveal and expand our minds so that we can invent more smileys with wider meaning through a wider language with more comprehension with supernal value.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!! Isaiah 40 study

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:16 am

Ok all

Before I gave you a link to Isaiah beginning with Isaiah 40 then link to to all the chapters till 45

The 5 chapters encapsulates the whole journey and I include this grouping of chapters into this demonstration of proving God in the outworking of this actual journey to the ancient places.


http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 40&ver=kjv

The Last chapters of Isaiah 61 to 66 is also relevant to this actual journey in the timeline. In this moment!

What is being demonstrated in this thread is no different to the demonstration of God by Elijah as opposed to the God of the Baalite priest in proving their God.

That's is what happening in this thread. Elijah and the proving of his God is a type to this actual scenario involving the last messenger who is the foreseen Elijah in the end times and who does bring about a test in the path from ancient times before the day of judgment and that will be the demonstration.


Its is here, the test of proving God.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:27 am

BWE_the real_one. wrote:Take a deep breath sevens. You've got a neat idea. But, uh, what you found doesn't necessarily lead to everlasting life.



No worries, thanks but I feel confident it will lead to green and wonderful pastures.

Im not worried what people think, I know what I see and experience within myself and I am impressed.

One thing for sure, no one has ever seen a demonstration like this ever!! in the history of mankind. This a whopper demonstration that man has never ever seen before. This shakes the foundations of everything that we know or told about.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:34 am

Serious question, Have you ever taken LSD?



No, what you see is the experience from the books and the inspiration that comes from it when on the hidden paths and truths that no one could see in the books. Mainly because of rigid dogma and persecutions.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:00 pm

Well I just simply say lets go out there and do some verifying and see if the images is consistent to what is there and written about.

That's all I want to do. Just prove some stuff!

Either God exists or not we can test this now i a contest involving the first city.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:00 pm

Well I just simply say lets go out there and do some verifying and see if the images is consistent to what is there and written about.

That's all I want to do. Just prove some stuff!

Either God exists or not we can test this now in a contest involving the first city.

A God option as opposed to the no God option through a contest! Like Elijah and his Contest of proving his God as opposed to the Baalite God and its witness. We have the same circumstance here and the Elijah story is the type of this experience here now, in this thread.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:13 pm

Posse Comitatus wrote:Sevens, what will you do if you unequivocally fail?



That's is quite possible that
ot might fail but it has to be proven and demonstrated to the fullest extent. There is a way we can demonstrate it through a contest? Through an expedition with all the resources required where we can prove, either way the existence of God.

I dont believe it will fail. The Contest of the Gods are open! Who is true and who is not true! Like in Elijah's
day!

The God or no God that fails to prove its existence that we can all witness departs!

Official: I declare the Contest of the Gods open

Like in the Olympic games.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:26 pm

No worries Cya, thanks for joining in.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:29 pm

Ah yeah, I remember her now.

By the way Im fine youre the guys tripping out.

Man on the run!

ahahahahahahaha

Hey lets not sit around here and talk crap, lets go out there and find something really cool for a change. If we cant go there physicaly lets try some remote viewing ahahahahah.


sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:47 pm

ahahahahahaha cant even afford paper that's why its online ahahahah

Hey you know anyone that can supply the scuba gear?

Maybe I should just speak to the US navy eh!

Come on guys if Im going to prove God Im going to need help! er er ahahahah


sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:01 pm

Riddlemethis

I know my writing is simple, Im a simple man.

Maybe we could write a book together where I could use your expertise. You wouldn't mind writing a book about God would you?

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:12 pm

I saw Nova documentary about a submarine that had transparent plastic walls. Its could dive to 100 meters and would be perfect for the Job of scanning the 40ft walls of Dalamatia City and the divisions.

Anyone know what Im talking about?

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:18 pm

ahahahaha what a laugh that's funny

join meeeee! ahahahaha


sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:27 pm

Come on man whats the problem Im just having a laugh!

What Lucid posted was funny and cool.

Proving God is a heavy and yet adventurous thing we have to have a bit of humor.

Its got to be a happy boat or a happy yellow submarine.

Well failing hiring a boat I can just sit here and await the demonstration! Well maybe the white knight of the Holy Grail might come about and lend a hand?? Since I am on the path of the tree of life in ages past. The beauty is I can lean on all of this and I have this available to me because
I dont disconnect myself to truth as it is arising.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:36 am

Whats this deaf to reason business. I think you are deaf to this reasoning.

Its a logical and simple demonstration that a simple man on the street can follow.

The reason you cant understand the simple reasoning is that you dont research all things and thus close yourself of from the river of truth that does run through all the books of religion and from all cultures, they all have a peice of truth which is now in the demonstration and will prove itself in the oneness connected a physical discovery of a lost city.

Verification will confirm the knowledge.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:44 am

Yes, its a real river of truth that run from the ages. This river of truth leads to immortality and one does not have to breath to live.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:44 am

Yes, its a real river of truth that run from the ages. This river of truth leads to immortality and one does not have to breath to live.

Just note what occurred to the Baalite priests and there followers after God demonstrated himself through Elijah prophetic words. Im sorry to say but there could be penalty in this, if God has to reveal himself to a bunch of non believers in order to prove his existence being an all time insult for Paradise.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:54 am

The last post regarding Elijah is based on the Bible. If believe what we see before us a replication of what happened over 2000 years concerning the question of whether God exist or not.

Im not here to get a following, nothing like that. Im only here to help out in case there is a impending situation to warn people that something else is happening that they dont understand and realize.

This work is not irrational, you perhaps dont understand because its an area of knowledge you chose not to study and research.

Hey if Im wrong, no worries but that has to be demonstrated.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:01 am

Not as irrational as you think looking at it from my perspective.

And I know God repeats himself to get point to man but is man listening? Has man has got capacity to listen and search?

What we have here is a replication and a repeat of an earlier event that happened a long time ago and considering that the Baalite doctrine of unbelief and ownership does rule the world.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:06 am

The 6000 year notion is error. I believe what the scientist say but I feel there is an extra level that they are not considering thats all.

Creational/Evolutional all the way.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:36 am

Gagliardi wrote:How do you conclude that everything is pre-determined and fulfilling a prophecy? Surely you know something fundamental to understanding this that I do not. Generally most theists believe this sort of thing because they've endured some sort rigorousness brain washing as a child -- but clearly you're not the average theist. Elaborate sir. It would seem that this is a fundamental part of your argument, and surely you would not place so much emphasis on it were you merely speculating.

 

Honestly folks, if it's all the same to you, I think it's cruel to continue to "play" with Sevens.



I'm not playing with him, just trying to grasp where he's coming from on this.



I just simply say lets go out there and verify as that cuts out alot of talk. We know the source information and we have some targets, lets prove it!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:44 am

justwondering wrote:

sevens wrote:At the end of the day I believe all things work for good and all truth will be verified and much of what is written in prophecy in and outside of religion, when all grouped together all points to the final scenario, experienced and recognised in the actual journey. That to me is the witness that we are here, in the moment, living out the journey as foreseen.

Full steam ahead, all system go in the fulfillment of prophecy. This is all part and parcel of proving that God exists and is personal.

Sevens.



You know, Sevens, there are many who seek to fulfill prophecy from whatever religious discipline they come. It would seem the fulfillment of prophecy is dangerous when you look at the violence between the Jews and Islam in Israel. Wouldn't you agree.

I guess I'm hoping you'll see that prophecy is nothing more than a component of the collective tales and lore of religious writing.



There is many problems with religion today in there limited viewpoints and bias interpretations in order to fulfill a religious agenda. Definitely a poor witness as seen. But I feel what I prose is very simple no one gets hurt and the verification leads to very positive information that can eliminate war through truth alone which can be demonstrated.

I believe what we see will be the correction for religion in the errors and at the same time provides for an expansion for them will bring a harmony one day.

Regarding Lore and prophecy, prophecy can seem dormant and shallow but when the conditions are right as seen it can arise if its true. Most of prophecy in the past was foreseeing and was centered on this day of finality.


sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:12 pm

But you can't prove it...



I believe that I can prove it and God is pervievable from within. I only that to well because I am open and do my best towards all man and follow the basic paths that lead to spiritual success and Im not talking about church or the Christianity religion and dogma. This relationship/friendship is purely personal.

The proof will be in the journey and already its percievable!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:22 pm

sevens, where we to embark on turning your thoughts into parsable sentences, I expect the only revelation to be had would be on your behalf; where you finally get to see the for the trees.



If you go to the forum replies that's where all the discoveries are, things happen quickly and my mind works faster than my hands, discoveries come very fast and sometimes my grammar and spelling gets bad sorry for that.

Your a smart guy! surely it must make some basic sense where you can get the drift of the post and where Im going with it. Like I said, this is on the run journey and the discoveries haven't finished yet but are coming into great consummation.

If you interested in this you will have to battle through unless you want to help me write a book about God and assist me in cleaning up all the mistakes and so forth.

We could make history and be named and known throughout all the Seven super universes including the Grand and central one Paradise.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:12 pm

But you can't prove it...



I believe that I can prove it and God is perceivable from within. I only that to well because I am open and do my best towards all man and follow the basic paths that lead to spiritual success and Im not talking about church or the Christianity religion and dogma. This relationship/friendship is purely personal.

The proof will be in the journey and already its perceivable!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:32 pm

If you would only apply this sort of analysis, research, and passion to something legitimate; AIDS, world hunger, anything real -- you'd probably be quite good at it. Why do you choose to investigate something for which there is no support for? Generally people address issues in this manner because there is a problem, or it's relevant -- religion is neither.



You know you have millions of people working in these areas but now one is working on this path, no one on the planet. This is beautiful path that I discovered traveling down breaking new ground where no one thought to look and yet, it is the biggest and the grandest mystery ever and it will prove God and it may result in a physical perceivable demonstration.

I really enjoy doing my service for Paradise because through this work will come effective solutions to all the problems we have on this world. Every problem will be solved and people will be peaceful and happy because the truth will set them free and because they had faith, simple faith like a child.

The Administration of the planet will change though, through the action of the Universal Paradise Government.

Riddlemethis, you haven't proved that my journey is BS neither in the demonstration of a physical discovery nor in word and research. From what I see in the images and from what is written in the Urantia Book which includes all the books of religion, its a perfect match.


Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Thanks ArchMichael for the post, you raised many good points and interpretations.

Many of them I will think about no problem.

Thanks for your assistance in the journey I really appreciate it.

On the Richard Dawkins Atheist/God Delusion site.

I proclaimed a test of whether God exists or not using the Elijah formulation.

Two altars representing each God. One altar representing the One God with journey to the ancient places and the other alter representing the god of no belief, the Baalite god, god of Ownership and fertility or the Lucifer manifesto.


In this day

I put up the ancient place, my journey including all the books inside and outside the bible including the UB. If we are successful in verifying the images and find everything that we are looking for due to the description of the city. The God exists and can found be found and understood quite easily.

On the Baalite side or the unbelief side being a no God scenario they have there books like the God delusion and including other books of other Atheists/skeptic authors.

Remembering that all the information of the Proving of God for the Atheist is based on Elijah's test for this day and age and in this day all is being declared from the beginning and it comes from ancient times. I believe this is a fulfillment of the 2nd Elijah in spirit and action in this day in the exact scenario.

That's the situation with my time with the Atheist and believers in Baal and Molech the God of property ownership, fertility and unbelief which in effect represents much of our society where ownership evolves power and the belief of unbelief in the one and true God.

This is already shaking the foundations only because they resist and dont research all the God books which renders them bare and exposed. They cannot combat this on any level of truth as presented from ancient times. However we do have to verify everything to know many things, paths we had no idea of and were not known.

This my friend I believe is the final test before judgment day brought about by the little Sabboath or the little Sevens backed by the Father and Jesus. The Father will demonstrate even though he doesn't have to but it for the sake of mankind, all mankind, so each man has an opportunity to mend his ways but it may be to late for many as the journey to ancient times is based on faith alone and people will be caught out unaware or aware but have rejected. Then the great realisation befalls man.

At the conclusion of the second test of Elijah.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:30 pm

Quote:

But, I must say that the individual who is trying to equate the last messenger from biblical texts and lining them up with extra-biblical texts is playing a fools game.



 

This is the potential but in this case everything matches to the point that I proclaim what I proclaim. I am very confident in this where I am bold to speak out being reluctant I am. I do this in faith in my journey with the Father and Jesus and including everyone and everything.

The way I see things, from my perspective everything is an absolute match and it all comes from ancient times. No body on the planet, except for me is proclaiming this from ancient times with real vigor and with so much potential of expansion and change that you can follow in the timeline in its evolution.

Remembering that this comes from the Office of the Messiahs which was opened up in complete faith and inspiration and look what we are involved in now. At the Elijah's second test of proving God to man. A complete rerun.

This is where the Messiahs have led me and these Messiahs are Jesus and the Melchizedek.

Praise the Lord in the Kingdom of Heaven because it is at hand and we are in the moment as we proceed with Elijah's 2nd Test. This is the biggest journey in the history of mankind! The completion and restoration. Little Jacob bringing back Israel to the Father and Jesus and Israel is all mankind who have believe and in the Father and Jesus. His people and elect! Its has all to do with the individual.! and the personal relationship with the Father in Paradise/Kingdom of Heaven and it comes from ancient times, just amazing how everything fits and matches.

Praise the Lord eh!

Sevens

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:39 am

Yes that was a funny photo ahahahah

Anyway keep on mocking if you feel you have to but remember a test of proving God is open and all attitude is taken into account.

Whilst no now believes what I propose there might be one level that might have total conviction in what Im doing.

All I know is that anything not consistent to truth will go down to destruction and I dont violence or anything like but in truth. The truth will overwhelm false ideas.

I must admit that this 2ndElijahs test of proving God is part of a larger part of the 40 day test that was proclaimed sometime ago but was extended as I found in the Quran of all books. Its funny, in that test I thought something was imminent at a particular time but the interesting thing about it, is that around the time I thought something was imminent nothing happened. However in that time I did find 1st Susa which I thought was Dalamatia City at the time and Dilmun/Babel to the north then sometime after I found the real Dalamatia City in the submerged in the Southern Persian Gulf. Soon after that discovery I found references to scripture in the Dead Sea scrolls by another researcher that spoke of a rehearsal like in what I experienced.

It made sense to me as I had not fully understood the full construct at the time. However, I was given the construct through the discovery of the cities. In this time of the journey I believe I have good understanding now as the cities and the knowledge that surrounds them completes the end time puzzle/mystery.

Its the Seventh/Sevenfold mystery that is in the process of completion and was foreseen and is a journey of faith.

I believe this the path to judgement day when the last messenger brings about all truth unto judgement as foreseen.

I tell you guys there is something happening and Im only here to let you know what's happening on the other side. I want to help man if I am absolutely correct in the research and in what I am perceiving. This thread is the only here to help the Atheist and I believe its the only help the Atheist will get, no one in religion is going to waste their time for they are unaware as well, due to there pride and prejudice. Rigid dogma and imposition can be there stumbling block to sale as in Islam, all the religion is due for a major correction as well. I believe we are all children of God in reality and everyman is accounted for and that means if there is something about to happen, all man should have equal opportunity to review themselves in light of discovery and in truth. I also know there is a plumb line based on the standards within the opened books in this end of an age.

That's the reality of the universe that we are born in. I know some dont like but its the reality and we cant do anything about it except to find the highest truth in our lives and share it with man.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Jacob bringing back Israel to God(Paraphrase)


Its interesting to know that my Grandmother name was
Jacoba, Like in the Jacobites or even in related to Jacob. Probably not relevant, but for me it was interesting, names and Lineage and how it may relate to the journey in name and scenario.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:19 am

No, I am a sevens, representative of the Sevenfold Seraphic Corp Mission planet Earth, sponsored by the Ancient of Days, Judges of all personality regarding survival.

Actualy, I am the James Bond 007 for Paradise but in truth and unto judgement.

My mission is to bring about the truth unto Judgment of mankind in the demonstration. I am the human catalyst and the scribe of the physical realm of Paradise and for the heavenly Paradise of the eternal realms.

I am the seventh scribe of the Sevenfold mystery. My co workers are ArchAngels and Seraphims of the Seventh Corp! which is related the Seventh Finality Corp which consist of humans who made finality or to Paradise and are here to help.

By the way, whats a deist?

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:53 am

I dont think its Gas, its a real situation but because you are closed minded you dont see it. You throw everything out, everything including some of Richard Dawkins thoughts are all profitable and there is much to learn.

sevens


 

 


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:23 pm

mindyourmind wrote:

sevens wrote:We simply have to go there and that will be the proof that many are looking for.

Hey you guys believe in crop circles.

There are many crop circles that do display the symbolism of the ancient cities. In one crop circle symbol there is a symbol that is described and fulfilled in the Kobrin bible. In many other crop circles there is dispayed the 3 coplanar circles, the 3 concentric circles and also includes the triangle/circle symbol, all common to the cities I wouldnt be surprised if the symbol communication have something to do with the ancient cities and the journey.

The journey is vast and includes the universe.

The source information that led to the ancient cities, the Urantia Book also mentions there is a non breather race that lives nearby to us on a sphere. By my calculation, I wouldnt be surprised if the crop circles are created by this race, I also believe that this race has something to with the moon.

This race was not affected by the rebellion and they might be related to the end oif the age. I believe they are of a greater level of technology than we are and more evolved.

Sevens



Just for fun I'm going to call you on this again, sevens - sometimes you can't spell or use grammar to save your life, and at other times you try and make your point (such as it may be) in an eloquent manner.

So make up your mind will you, as to whether you are an ignorant, illiterate fool or a more literate one.



mindyourmind

I dont really give a crapper about my English at this point. You know that Im not a writer nor a author, Im just a Sevens scribing for Paradise on the run, a bloke from the bush on a high moutnain. This isnt a book, its a Targum which is on the Run. I read, I contemplate and then I write, freely given to mankind for his benefit after which I move on to the next post.

If you dont like my English you'll have to battle on through like I have to battle through or else if its so bad, you could just move on. But I know there is nothing more intriguing than this thread because we are concerning ourselves with potentialities of realities to come, as forseen.

You'll just have to tough it out like the rest of us. Anymore weaknesses you would like to display??

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:21 pm

We simply have to go there and that will be the proof that many are looking for.

Hey you guys believe in crop circles.

There are many crop circles that do display the symbolism of the ancient cities. In one crop circle symbol there is a symbol that is described and fulfilled in the Kolbrin bible. In many other crop circles there is displayed the 3 coplanar circles, the 3 concentric circles and also includes the triangle/circle symbol, all common to the cities I wouldn't be surprised if the symbol communication have something to do with the ancient cities and the journey.

The journey is vast and includes the universe.

The source information that led to the ancient cities, the Urantia Book also mentions there is a non breather race that lives nearby to us on a sphere. By my calculation, I wouldn't be surprised if the crop circles are created by this race, I also believe that this race has something to with the moon.

This race was not affected by the rebellion and there revealing might be related to the end of this age. I believe they are of a greater level of technology than we are and more evolved, they maybe the 3 brain hemisphere type of non breather where they talk through there mind.

I think its all related, the crop circles, the other race and including the journey to the ancient places.

Also this foreseen Targum by John Gill in the 16thCentury also saw that the End times journey would be a journey of symbols, symbols that would come out of the sea. Everything in the end time conclusion related tio the journey and the great mystery will be bound by symbols that have relevance and are all related to Paradise and all the Super Universes of space time.

This specific journey is all about symbols that bind all the cities related to the path of the tree of Life in ages past and paths not ever known before by mankind.

This is the revealing of everything that is hidden.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:00 pm

Lead Stripes wrote:Sevens, are you still going on an exploration mission?
You can borrow my inflatable rubber boat if you promise to bring it back in one piece.
It's big enough to carry you and quite a large amount of bullshit. And I'm pretty sure it doesn't leak any more!



ahahahah what a laugh!

Yes, I need an extra sized rubber boat for all the artifacts that will be discovered which lay under the sands of the Dalamatian Garden studded with precious stones.

Priceless artifacts of artworks that evolved over the ages in the Gardens of Dalamatia City for 300,000 years ago. Dalamatia City was destroyed 200,000 years ago by rapid submergence which created a tidal wave. It maybe so big that they might build an underwater transparent city where one could tour around the gardens of Dalamatia City and view the artworks on dry ground for all to see.

Quite possible, these are the heritages of mankind and they belong to mankind in the revealing.

I can understand people saying its bullshit but you haven't looked into the matter because of some disconnection, all this is available for every human and can assist a person in overcoming many things but with greater knowledge and understanding about everything and in closer harmony with the personality of the universe, the realm the Gods so to speak and how they can help people. Its not a matter of church or doctrine or Hell which doesn't exist, its all about the individual and his relationship with the Universal Kingdom, you know God.

We can verify this through a simple expedition and witness the truth of the matter.

Thats
it.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:23 pm

Darwinsbulldog wrote:

I dont really give a crapper about my English at this point.



This is a forum where we communicate by the written word. So much as an out of place comma can change the meaning of a sentence. As this is a "Clear Thinking Oasis", most members put value on how well people can express themselves. We don't expect anyone to be professors of English here. If you try to write clearly, it helps in a discussion. We want to be able to understand each other.

Communication is often difficult, as theists and atheists live in different worlds. They have different views, different paradigms. Paradigms can affect ones perceptions to a remarkable degree. I try to understand all paradigms. For example, although I am an atheist now, I was once a Christian. So I understand the way theists think.

Often the jargon of a discipline can make understanding hard. For example, a scientific theory is very different to the common meaning of the word theory. Words have specific and precise meanings in science. Folks who's main education has been the bible often think in terms of kinds, instead of species. When talking about biology, species is the superior term to use, as it is much more precise in meaning than kind. "Kind" of course, is perfectly acceptable for a theological discussion, as kind is the sort of language used in the bible.

However, not all terms are equal. Kind is a very vague term, and to inaccurate to use even in common speech. The writers of the bible were not very good biologists. So using the bible to argue against evolution is going to be pointless and embarrassing, as it is too inaccurate and outdated.
Many biblical scholars want the bible to be modernized. From a theist perspective, this is probably a worthwhile thing to do. As an atheist, I do not believe that any modification of the bible will overcome the fact that it is mostly, perhaps all fiction.



You're right about communication, no problem, I am sorry, you're very intelligent and I could do better in my writing and how I communicate, Im just writing as I see it in the moment, its very different to a thesis and might seem different to an Atheist or Skeptic. However, my journey is a living record to the ancient places that began when I looked for clues of them in the books of religion, in a focalization to the places which I knew about through the Urantia Book.

I followed the tracks in all books that I felt reflected the journey but then it began to reflect many other realties that seem to fit my reality in the realisation. All this has been documented and copied for the benefit of the reader through a linear journey of time/space and realisation that led to multiple discoveries this process embraces declaration which I would declare and then found written in the books after the event. Hard to explain but its their, the time/space pheonomena in following the hidden tracks. The ancient places from the Urantia Book was the right focalization to unlock the mystery as foreseen and contained in all the other books of religion and dies include much of the Bible. The Bible, in the ultimate conclusion all points to this time. Everything contained in prophecy including the Sabbath, the Seventh are all pointers (remembrance in future events) to this time and the heritages. Its the great key and the answer we all seek and now we have an opportunity to get closer in truth through a discovery where no man has gone before in paths unknown but foreseen, the real Star Trek or Stargate of this word in truth and demonstration that comes from the beginning. The Ancient places.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:23 pm

Darwinsbulldog wrote:

I dont really give a crapper about my English at this point.



This is a forum where we communicate by the written word. So much as an out of place comma can change the meaning of a sentence. As this is a "Clear Thinking Oasis", most members put value on how well people can express themselves. We don't expect anyone to be professors of English here. If you try to write clearly, it helps in a discussion. We want to be able to understand each other.

Communication is often difficult, as theists and atheists live in different worlds. They have different views, different paradigms. Paradigms can affect ones perceptions to a remarkable degree. I try to understand all paradigms. For example, although I am an atheist now, I was once a Christian. So I understand the way theists think.

Often the jargon of a discipline can make understanding hard. For example, a scientific theory is very different to the common meaning of the word theory. Words have specific and precise meanings in science. Folks who's main education has been the bible often think in terms of kinds, instead of species. When talking about biology, species is the superior term to use, as it is much more precise in meaning than kind. "Kind" of course, is perfectly acceptable for a theological discussion, as kind is the sort of language used in the bible.

However, not all terms are equal. Kind is a very vague term, and to inaccurate to use even in common speech. The writers of the bible were not very good biologists. So using the bible to argue against evolution is going to be pointless and embarrassing, as it is too inaccurate and outdated.
Many biblical scholars want the bible to be modernized. From a theist perspective, this is probably a worthwhile thing to do. As an atheist, I do not believe that any modification of the bible will overcome the fact that it is mostly, perhaps all fiction.



You're right about communication, no problem, I am sorry, you're very intelligent and I could do better in my writing and how I communicate, Im just writing as I see it in the moment, its very different to a thesis and might seem different to an Atheist or Skeptic. However, my journey is a living record to the ancient places that began when I looked for clues of them in the books of religion, in a focalization to the places which I knew about through the Urantia Book.

I followed the tracks in all books that I felt reflected the journey However, it began to reflect many other realties that seem to fit my reality in the realisation. All this has been documented and copied for the benefit of the reader through a linear journey of time/space and realisation that led to multiple discoveries this process embraces declaration which I would declare and then found written in the books after the event. Hard to explain but its their, the time/space pheonomena in following the hidden tracks. The ancient places from the Urantia Book was the right focalization to unlock the mystery as foreseen and contained in all the other books of religion and dies include much of the Bible. The Bible, in the ultimate conclusion all points to this time. Everything contained in prophecy including the Sabbath, the Seventh are all pointers (remembrance in future events) to this time and the heritages. Its the great key and the answer we all seek and now we have an opportunity to get closer in truth through a discovery where no man has gone before in paths unknown but foreseen, the real Star Trek or Stargate of this word in truth and demonstration that comes from the beginning. The Ancient places.

The linear journey I spoke about contains many mistakes in grammar, Im just so focalized that haven't gone through them all and edited them, its raw research note taking, documenting all the threads and then moving onto another thread of truth on another level finding more things and then there is creative imagination, contemplation on the run, seeing and recognizing patterns like the Sevens patterns, throughout a timeline period with even symbols of significant.

Its all very interesting.

Sevens


Troll, Im no troll man, you are the guys that are trolling.

What Ive given you is real research and represents years and hours of writing just about everyday, this thread in itself is the evidence of what I do. Its been a long journey to get to this realisation. That's why I am vibed about it all and would like to share because I am getting results through my personal experience that is pointing to the real deal of everything.

That's why it is imperative that we all go to the ancient places and verify the truth to see if this is right. This is the biggest step in faith where the outcome could affect every person on the planet and that's why Im here to be of service in demonstrating my results looking into the matter. Im buoyed by the results of the 2 expeditions to 1stEden and I feel confident about Dalamatia City and the results we are going to find.

I tell you man this is huge! I can see it man, its the right construct, its logical according to all religion and It fits!

I think this is going to be the biggest thing man has ever seen. Once in a planetary life.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:46 pm

Ah come on, I wanted to share with you the possibilities

That's all!

I haven't used any bible scripture except a few references here and there to share with you. I respect the views of Richard Dawkins in many things he says. I think all the religions have to take a good hard look at themselves and I have voiced that on there forums. I believe in evolution but there is creative factor involved which has personality and that's is the only difference.

Mind you, I have much to learn to and I have been corrected many times and I may have to correct some things I may have said in the past which is fair enough. However, regarding the ancient places and what it represents I think Im very close to the truth of the things about these multiple places.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:46 pm

Ah come on, I wanted to share with you the possibilities

That's all!

I haven't used any bible scripture except a few references here and there to share with you. I respect the views of Richard Dawkins in many things he says. I think all the religions have to take a good hard look at themselves and I have voiced that on there forums. I believe in evolution but there is creative factor involved which has personality and that's is the only difference.

Mind you, I have much to learn to and I have been corrected many times and I may have to correct some things that I may have said in the past which is fair enough. However, regarding the ancient places and what it represents I think Im very close to the truth of the things about these multiple places.

Did you know that Christianity should not and is forbidden to indulge in politics and commerce,
that's the true Christianity according to the teachings of Jesus in the Urantia Book.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:18 pm

mindyourmind wrote:

sevens wrote:


Did you know that Christianity should not and is forbidden to indulge in politics and commerce, thats
the true Christianity according to the teachings of Jesus in the Urantia Book.

Sevens



Oh, as long as you didn't just pull it out of your arse.



No serious that's true, it is written and looking in contrast at Christianity you can see how far away they are knowing how involved they are in commerce and politics and including there judgments upon mankind.

They cant afford to judge as they are in error as well and are not appealing to the majority.

The cant fear in one hand and love in the other with a trade and do some ritual of nothingness that does nothing for mankind. If anything a God would want some action as well but through love for one another. Nothing more.

These are some of the things Christianity will have to face themselves, I spent a year there just posting away but very little communications. The odd guy out. Some of their interpretation are really limited and needs expansion, serious expansion.

Islam, serious that's another story I believe its worse with the witness I see and what it leads people to do being feeble minded and some of the interpretations are totally way off.

I cant be too judgmental either and that's a hard thing for me.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:18 pm

mindyourmind wrote:

sevens wrote:


Did you know that Christianity should not and is forbidden to indulge in politics and commerce, thats
the true Christianity according to the teachings of Jesus in the Urantia Book.

Sevens



Oh, as long as you didn't just pull it out of your arse.



No serious that's true, it is written and looking in contrast to Christianity today, you can see how far away they are, knowing how involved they are in commerce and politics and including there judgments upon mankind.

They cant afford to judge as they are in error as well and are not appealing to the majority.

They cant fear people in one hand using the pretense of love in the other with a trade off and do some ritual of nothingness to absolve all the co called sins of the week, that does nothing for mankind. If anything a God would want some reall action, but through well meaning love for one another not asking for anything in return. Nothing more.

These are some of the things Christianity will have to face themselves, I spent a year there just posting away but with very little communications but they all read the content. The odd guy out! Some of their interpretation are really limited and needs expansion, serious expansion.

Islam, serious that's another story I believe its worse with the witness I see and what it leads people to do being feeble minded and imposed upon using some of the interpretations which are totally way off. This death and destruction thing is not going to survive especially this terrorism. That's just a mockery of Paradise using the name of Paradise for such purposes. Paradise doesn't hear prayers that lead to violence. Anyway that's another story.

I cant be too judgmental either and that's a hard thing for me.

Did you know that much of the the Book of revelation is all wrong and was distorted and abridged which I think occurred in Germany around 14oo-1500's sometime ago.

Much of Revelation will not come to pass, however there are some clues but in the majority much of it is wrong.

Sevens

 


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:54 pm

Too little faith

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:05 am

No one will believe this even though the anomalies do fit and can be seen. This is the scenario and people will not become more curious even though I can demonstrate it in scripture. No one will will look at this because of no faith. They cant believe that a simple man, who writes simply with mistakes can find such a thing. Impossible!

The only real way to know whether I am right is to go out there and check out everything but Im afraid that the stakes are to high and is coupled with no faith. But what if Im right! What happens then?

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:33 am

jimmo wrote:

sevens wrote:Too little faith

sevens



The bank won't need faith, just something to secure the loan against - unless you're not in a position to obtain a secured loan?



No, Im in no position to take out a loan from the bank, I would want about 10 million for the initial Dalamatia City expedition. However, if we begin to verify things I would want additional money to extend the voyage. At the same time I would go virtual as best as I could so the whole world could see it online and see the process. In virtual time.

We could see the truth before us.

If all went well and if we retrieved solid evidence including script and core samples to prove the age of the Dalamatia City then that would provide a confirmation of the journey and the source information used to find the cities. If that was to happen then it would go the movies as a world wide presentation of the whole story and DVD. Proceeds would go to further exploration in these areas continuing the journey, also I would like to help the poor with education in the normal things as we know it today but also where the older teach the younger to help build civilisation and goodwill amongst man. I would also like to further cheap clean technology for the poor countries to help improve their living standards and to help the drought afflicted areas in technology using sun based technology and hydroponics systems in plastic houses, growing high, yield nutritious crops or edible other vegetables in houses are water self circulating, collecting evaporation. The houses would be electrified through the Sun and Batteries for temperature control.

Anyway that's a couple of ideas I thought along the way. If its true it will be demonstrated, if its false that will be apparent and it would show in the results of an expedition.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:00 am

You guys are funny!

What's the matter with you guys, dont you like some adventure into the unknown.

Come on guys, you are my friends come with me on this journey. Lets check it out, surely an Atheist would be into some adventure.

By the way Im the man from the Moon. Nah just joking. lets say Im the guy with an different viewpoint but in that we can still be friends. Im a friend of the Atheist, why not, nothing wrong with the Atheist he is a fellow brother but just has a vastly different viewpoint and yet he still has the same feelings as all human beings have and can still be friends even with the Deist/Theist or whatever the term is.

Anyway you're all invited the 1stCity as a friend.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:14 am

Im not sure if that term originated from REM or whether it was pre existent.

It was probably pre existent.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:18 am

Get a life and go read it



I have a big life, more than you think.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:18 am

Get a life and go read it



I have a big life, more than you think. I think I read Dr Seuss when I was 7, Im sort of more stimulated by other books these days.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:45 am

Tazlmo wrote:I think relevance is the issue. Your evidence seems tied to another ideology that can't be proved through scientific or rational means. It still requires a "leap of faith" that most atheists are not willing to make.



Essentially its research into religious books launching from th writings of the Urantia Book, I read in amongst all that I find other tracks that I feel have relevance knowing that the journey foreseen is a journey of connecting all the symbols and in this the case the cities as written about in the location of the anomalies I am targeting.

It a religious/spiritual work where creative imagination is involved and direction from within and can provide wide results. I try to discover the physical evidence to support my thoughts with link backs.

I think these cities have great relevance and how they where discovered.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:19 am

Double Bass Atheist wrote:Sevens - please explain just how any archeological discovery is proof of anything more than the existence of a civilization?

So, given civilization lived in a certain place for a particular period of time. How is that proof of god?



This whole journey is brought about by the Urantia Book
http://www.urantia.org/papers/index.html

It talks about many things including the cities of the past. I figure if I can prove the existence of the cities and fulfill a list of potential discoveries then I figure the source information is true and Verifies God and his guidance and who is personal.

The Personal part is contained in the on the run journey that evolved throughout the forums, I read, I contemplate and then inspired to write in verifying the thought along with the discoveries of things that support. When I write many thoughts and contemplations come to mind and then I follow the hunches to see where it leads. Its really fragment upon fragment, precept upon precept. I think this journey is relevant for man as it may concern him whether he likes it or not. Im sorry to say but that's what I am reading into the matter in between the lines of the all the books. That's why Im here in case Im right and if something is pending man knows and hopefully he is prepared. I want him to be successfull. I dont care if he is an Atheist or otherwise!

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:30 am

Double Bass Atheist wrote:

sevens wrote:
<snip>
It talks about many things including the cities of the past. I figure if I can prove the existence of the cities and fulfill a list of potential discoveries then I figure the source information is true and Verifies God and his guidance and who is personal.
<snip>
 


If you prove the existence of
any city, all you have proven is the existence of a city. Period.
Superfluous supernatural entities have absolutely nothing to do with it.



That's a good point, it may prove other things instead and I could be inaccurate and wrong, that is quite possible. That's why it would be good to verify because at this stage until verification anything can occur, we dont know yet whether anyone is right or wrong yet about this scenario.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:44 am

I did my own search and came up with a similar answer. I'm afraid Seven's arguments are inane.



That ultimately has to be tested in a platform of physical discovery, I think your inane where your comments are quite unsubstantiated without any reference to anything offering no research to counter. Just comments and opinions of no value! Your comments are quite inane without any research to bring forward just silly opinions.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:53 am

They dont have to read this right, its only one thread of many. I do reply to people when they post and least try to give some value in the reply.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:04 am

Tazlmo wrote:I am sorry I did not mean to use the word inane in that context. I should have said I feel the debate had become inane because we were repeating the same arguments over and over. I would like to apologize.



No problem , this information can be a bit repetitive. Essentially, Ive been saying the same things for a while.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:44 am

And as far as what I share in common with people on this thread is a right to have this "oasis of clear-thinking" free from this ridiculous nonsense and preaching.



All Im putting up is research and results. Where a case could be presented. God Delusion speaks of No God and I believe that there is God in reply and this how I think I can demonstrate it.

It clear thinking and very simple. Its all about what's in the images and the information and to see whether I am under a delusion or not. But it has to be tested and we can do that. What's wrong with that notion and going out there to find the truth.

You seem so bent on the slash and burn technique when it comes to this thread, its becomes like a persecution of the Atheist himself of someone else's thoughts. No different to religion in protecting their book with its own doctrine.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:51 am

Posse Comitatus wrote:

It clear thinking and very simple.



I'd recommend reading through your posts Sevens, because that's not quite how I'd choose to describe them.



Maybe its complex for you but in actual fact its quite simple of what must happen to know the truth of the matter as purported in the UB. Whether I have relevance in my thoughts is another matter. But the fact that a city lays there as mentioned by the UB would be good to verify in truth.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:56 am

RichardPrins wrote:

sevens wrote:Whats wrong with that notion and going out there to find the truth.


Nothing, but who's holding you back?

Instead of
actually doing real research, you seem to be content with finding shallow correlations between various texts, and running with that on various internet forums. Not exactly how most scholarly research is done.

As such, you shouldn't really be surprised very few people will take you seriously. There's no shortage of kooks and cranks out there peddling their pet 'theories'. Why would your 'theory' be any better?



No problem you made some good points. Im not a scholar at all, my research is based on my own realisation in the journey of my discoveries.

I want to go the ancient cities to verify the truth of the matter that would determine many conclusions.

Im not a crank either and we do have an opportunity to prove that.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:41 am

sevens wrote:

Posse Comitatus wrote:

He's addled by his belief in a deity, Taz. He thinks his "evidence" is self-evident.


I think that's a symptom, rather than a cause.



Well the truth of the matter will come out in the fullness of time and action. Thats for sure.

1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration


Lets see if a city lays there in the Persian Gulf and use these standards of proof!

What's so unreasonable about that.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:50 pm

You amaze me

All Ive been saying from thread one is that I believe that this is submerged city representative of Dalamatia City

Image

I believe this city is described here

The Urantia Book
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper66 ... E%20PRINCE

I would like to prove this using the scientific measure. My opinions about the city are based on what I see and read. A discovery usually starts from an enquiry that usually leads to other things of discovery. I using the same method.

How simple is for you are so bent on destruction of this thread.

If all is verified then the source material would be authentic. Its not a matter of what people think or popularity but its the demonstrated truth that is important and in this case science can be used.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:01 pm

justwondering wrote:

sevens wrote:You amaze me

All Ive been saying from thread one is that I believe that this is submerged city representative of Dalamatia City

Image

I believe this city is described here

The Urantia Book
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper66 ... E%20PRINCE


I would like to prove this using the scientific measure. My opinions about the city are based on what I see and read. A discovery usually starts from an enquiry that usually leads to other things of discovery. I using the same method.

How simple is for you are so bent on destruction of this thread.

If all is verified then the source material would be authentic. Its not a matter of what people think or popularity but its the demonstrated truth that is important and in this case science can be used.

Sevens



The only thing I am bent on is getting you off this "proof of god" notion.

Now, granted this could be a worthy exploration. But you've not demonstrated that you have the credentials or resources to conduct such an investigation, on site.

And so far, I've seen no one post that has the resources or interest to accommodate you in this. I went to some effort to describe to you the effort you'd need to exert to learn the methodology, but that was just skimming the top. You'd need to be educated in archaeology beyond just an undergraduate level, and you'd need to gain the support of other academics in the area.

So you work is cut out for you. It looks interesting from a historical/archaeological standpoint, but there is no proof of god in any of this.



I think purely looking at it from a city exists there point of view it does follow normal paths of investigation but there is some other dimensions to this research that a scholar wouldn't understand and would be quick to judge, that's the problem.

Archaeologist can be involved and engaged in this project purely from a scientific point of view I think may indicate that.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:15 pm

Well if I or another cant get out there it maybe this research just becomes a passive curiosity, thats true.

A passive curiosity that just hangs around with no resolve in the discovery, even though we can view anomalous outlines of a city as it is written.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:27 pm

Double Bass Atheist wrote:

sevens wrote:Well if I or another cant get out there it maybe this research just becomes a passive curiosity, thats true.

A passive curiosity that just hangs around with no resolve in the discovery, even though we can view anomalous outlines of a city as it is written.

Sevens


Ok, I've had enough of this.

Sevens, when you going to see that nobody gives a
flyin' shit? ...and we're not here for feed your Indiana Jones explorer fantasies about lost treasure and civilizations.
So go there, check it, then
write about it. Until then... Image



Finally settle into a normal conversation then a bag of crap come along the way. Not worth commenting on.

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:36 pm

justwondering wrote:If it's something you feel has merit, perhaps going to a university and pursuing a degree in anthropology with an emphasis in archaeology might be something you'd want to do. It will take some time, but you have an obvious interest in this type of thing. There's also the option of doing a minor in comparative religions/mythologies, which some universities offer as a course of study.

I kind of doubt they'll help you find god, but it will satisfy what is an obvious interest on your part in this type of study.

Best to you.

Signing off now. :cool:



Not a problem, I appreciate your advise and it was something I was interested in, looking into the past.

I might look into it but I know it will take much time.

Personally, I dont think a university would be interest in this prospect anyway.

Thanks for your reply.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Ive been on the Richard Dawkins Atheist site and they are bent in destroying this research. There are some that are rabid about what I propose. Truly the children of the World atheist system. Every thing I express they attack with real fervor and try a find weakness on every level except the research itself. They can see clearly the triangle city and they have not attacked the source nor the images but just personal attacks.

I still think this journey is unbreakable even though they try hard. They are uncomfortable and dont like what Im saying. There is no support there and absolutely no belief in God even though I contend I can prove it.

In the process I have tried to be calm and not to be to judgmental. I've tried to keep positive in the reply. Conversing with the Atheist is something else and the images and the source disturbs them greatly. Because the Father is involved we have a bank of information we can rely on whilst the Atheist has nothing, Im mean nothing at all. Now the images show the city they are worried and angry, like the Last rebel.

Because now he knows that his end is near! and all deception and ignorance will be lifted.

Sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:39 am

Ive been on the Richard Dawkins Atheist site and they are bent in destroying this research. There are some that are rabid about what I propose. Truly the children of the World atheist system. Every thing I express they attack with real fervor and try a find weakness on every level except the research itself. They can see clearly the triangle city and they have not attacked the source nor the images but just personal attacks.

I still think this journey is unbreakable even though they try hard. They are uncomfortable and dont like what Im saying. There is no support there and absolutely no belief in God even though I contend I can prove it.

In the process I have tried to be calm and not to be to judgmental. I've tried to keep positive in the reply. Conversing with the Atheist is something else and the images and the source disturbs them greatly. Because the Father is involved we have a bank of information we can rely on whilst the Atheist has nothing, Im mean nothing at all. Now the images show the city they are worried and angry, like the Last rebel.

The Last rebel does not want to see this city, its the last thing he wants to know about in this time is the sight of this city which brings him unstuck.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/persian_g ... _thumb.jpg

Because now he knows that his end is near! and all deception and ignorance will be lifted.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:08 pm

Double Bass Atheist wrote:

sevens wrote:

SCiwoman

Then why did you? Discuss and debate your ideas until your fingers fall off from typing, but we do not allow personal insults on this forum. If it happens again, there will be a warning.



But hold on how many people here have given insult to me on a personal level, one after another and its fine for them right. It just seemed a little hypocritical! and convenient.

Sevens


:cry: :boohoo:

If you feel you've been attacked, report the post.



Ok no problem but Im not going to report anyone. Over what, a few opinions.

Ahh dont worry about it.

or maybe DBA just baited me to react where he would use it to report a post to get it shutdown or me banned ahahahah well done! I was deceived! Oh well that's the way it goes, I suppose I have to be more careful in future.

Sevens



 

Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

I was looking at a few scripts about Dalamatia City to see if I could find more confirmation of the location of Dalamatia City and the Dilmuns.

Here is some UB extracts which provide the clues.

 

Quote:

line 96: The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.



the earlier city of Dilmun seems to confirm the Dilmun of the Central group who built the fiorst Dilmun close to the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. 1st/earlier Dilmun Being close to Dalamatia City also confirms that the city is also close to the headwaters of the Persian Gulf which also confirms my assertion of the location of the City being in the Southern Persian Gulf. I believe the location of the earlier Dilmun was built near the Headwaters of the Persian Gulf. This extract confirms my discovery of the city as seen in the anomalies which does fit the description as in the UB.

Shortly after the destruction of Dalamatia the followers of Nod became divided into three major groups. The central group remained in the immediate vicinity of their original home near the headwaters of the Persian Gulf. The eastern group migrated to the highland regions of Elam just east of the Euphrates valley. The western group was situated on the northeastern Syrian shores of the Mediterranean and in adjacent territory.

The central group according to the UB built the first or earlier city of Dilmun near the Headwaters of the Persian Gulf. So Dalamatia City would be near the headwaters as well which is. Confirms again the location.

Here is another interesting piece which speaks of the migration of the name Dilmun in 3 locations.

 

Quote:

The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.



So there was 2 Dilmuns built by the fallen Sons of God.

 

Quote:

After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved north and east, presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters. And about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new city of Dilmun, and after they had reached out to intermarry with the Andonite and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their leaders that something should be done to preserve their racial unity. Accordingly a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation the plan of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed



I tend to think that the "present" city the UB is referring to, is the 2nd Dilmun which I believe is to the east "presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters."
Dilmun to the North
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/index.html

Image

I think Jiroft might be representative of the 1stDilmun The city is built within a caldera of an extinct volcano and has a very large Pyramid temple located there. However, there is an island which is near the headwaters which could be the location of Dilmun of the central group here is a link.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/DilmunHea ... nEast3.htm

Here is a link to 1stSusa destroyed by Noah's Flood great Mesopotamian flood. The depth proves the time period.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/index.html




 

also another reason why both Dalamatia City and Dilmun have the same triangle Circle design is because Dilmun perpetuated the memory of Dalamatia in their own city.

 

Quote:

And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums



Mind you the design of Dalamatia perpetuated through Dilmun and then went on to the great Pyramid not the mention the double triangle and circle seal found in the shaft of the Queens burial shaft and the ancient man.

The Ancient man and the seal of the great Pyramid

Image

and thoughts

"In that day there shall be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the Land of Egypt, and a monument at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign, and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts in the Land of Egypt" (Isaiah 19:19-20).



Image

Image



 



Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:38 pm

Jack Rawlinson wrote:

justwondering wrote:It's a children's story written by U.S. author Dr. Seuss. Sam I Am leads the protagonist through all kinds of scenarios in which he certainly must prefer being served green eggs and ham. Each time, he's told, "I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them Sam I am."

Get a life and go read it.



I don't know where sevens is from but you have to understand that Dr Seuss isn't really very well known outside the US. I'm pretty widely travelled and well-read and I think I was in my thirties before I found out what the mystifying line in Roger Miller's "Little Green Apples" meant. :-)



Im just wondering what am I supposed to understand in your post?

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:43 pm

jimmo wrote:

sevens wrote:Well looks like I exhausted everyone I might as well end this thread on this little piece of research confirming the location of Dalamatia City that I discovered.
[...]



Hmm - these look like the same images and some more quotes from the same references as before.

Is there any *independent* corroboration of these claims at all?



When I discovered Dalamatia City I wrote to NASA to confirm that the Data was authentic and true, they replied and said that the data was correct.

I wrote to few scholars about the place but they never responded.

However, I never thought of writing to the 1stEden Geologist I will do that and see if he responds.


All the best

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:22 pm

The image is authentic however there is a Photoshop filter to enhance the image

NASA in reply to my email actually suggested that I use Photoshop to enhance.

So I did, I can send you the original or better still you can go there using Worldwind.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:14 pm

jimmo wrote:Well, I do believe you when you say the image is authentic - I was just pointing out that it could be anything. I think the deep blue may not have been the best method but I haven't seen the original.

Ok, so let's assume for now that this is an authentic picture of some undersea terrain. What evidence of man made structure is there? This is where I was getting to with the "elephant skin" analogy because I can't make anything out except a rough, possibly geological, texture



There is more information available in the Urantia Book that describes the city with all its divisions, what you see in the images fulfills what is described, if you go through all the information. Even the short study I did in the above few posts ago, points us to the actual location where I can see a triangle City with all kinds of anomalies that fits the info.

We simply have to verify what are in the images. I believe its a match.

Here is a link to specific details of the city.

http://mercy.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webgli ... ine=58#mfs

 

I was just reading through the link and I noticed the following fragment which I interpret as a either a prediction of a rediscovery of these home art works of Dalamatia City, looking forward to an eventuality of a rediscovery and Like what I propose in the verification of the city. The highlighted reference could also be referring to the current discoveries of the works of the Sumerian culture. I sense the first option.

 

Mek did a great deal to advance the culture of the Andonites and to improve the art of the blue man. A blend of the blue man with the Andon stock produced an artistically gifted type, and many of them became master sculptors. They did not work in stone or marble, but their works of clay, hardened by baking, adorned the gardens of Dalamatia.

Great progress was made in the home arts, most of which were lost in the long and dark ages of rebellion, never to be rediscovered until modern times

 

The above infers Dalamatia City will be rediscovered and the artworks will verify the discovery, all foreseen and revealed.

Further in the link there is a list of the Seven commands that were inscribed on stone slabs. The discovery of these stone slabs of the Seven commands would be the greatest confirmation.

 

This was the law of Dalamatia for almost three hundred thousand years. And many of the stones on which this law was inscribed now lie beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia. It became the custom to hold one of these commands in mind for each day of the week, using it for salutations and mealtime thanksgiving



And many of the stones on which this law was inscribed now lie beneath the waters off the shores of Mesopotamia and Persia. infers that a set could lay submerged in 3 locations, in Dilmun of the North or 1stSusa near the coast of Mesopotamia or in Dalamatia City which is close to coast Iran. If the Seven commands was found in each location it would be in three different languages. The Dalamatian Language is similar to Aryan and is a 24 character script language

sevens



 

Mek did a great deal to advance the culture of the Andonites and to improve the art of the blue man. A blend of the blue man with the Andon stock produced an artistically gifted type, and many of them became master sculptors. They did not work in stone or marble, but their works of clay, hardened by baking, adorned the gardens of Dalamatia.

Great progress was made in the home arts, most of which were lost in the long and dark ages of rebellion, never to be rediscovered until modern times



sevens




 


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:33 am

First of all, these images of your "city" are questionable, at best.



Why are the images questionable, there direct from NASA, you complain to them that the Data is wrong and questionable. You show no evidence of your assertion Just a loose statement without any reference.

 

Secondly, I'll reiterate what we discussed earlier... contrary to your previous assertions, even IF this city is actually there, its discovery would prove nothing more than the existence of an ancient civilization, NOT your god.



If a city was verified and everything was matched to a tee where even core samples reflect the reality as it is written in the Urantia Book about Dalamatia City, then it would verify the Author of the Book as correct and accurate. It would also prove in this instance that there is a uniformity and a harmony in what is written and what is seen and known. Since the The Urantia Book claims to be written by Paradise Kingdom, then I would agree with that as it can be demonstrated physicaly by verifying the submerged city which means an expedition. Demonstration of Proof.

Not only that, there are other ancient cities submerged and above ground that need verifying.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:33 am

First of all, these images of your "city" are questionable, at best.



Why are the images questionable, there direct from NASA, you complain to them that the Data is wrong and questionable. You show no evidence of your assertion Just a loose statement without any reference.

 

Secondly, I'll reiterate what we discussed earlier... contrary to your previous assertions, even IF this city is actually there, its discovery would prove nothing more than the existence of an ancient civilization, NOT your god.



ABS

If a city was verified and everything was matched to a tee where even core samples reflect the reality as it is written in the Urantia Book about Dalamatia City, then it would verify the Author of the Book as correct and accurate. It would also prove in this instance that there is a uniformity and a harmony in what is written and what is seen and known. Since the The Urantia Book claims to be written by Paradise Kingdom, then I would agree with that as it can be demonstrated
physicaly by verifying the submerged city which means an expedition. Demonstration of Proof.

Not only that, there are other ancient cities submerged and above ground that need verifying.

I believe one day it will be proven without a doubt and the NASA images seem to match all the various descriptions of the place.

Its just there and you can see the matching anomalies. Its easy to say one thing but proof must be provided. I have shown you text, highlights and images if possible and thoughts which reflect the paths that led me to the place.

Here is a link when the search for Dalamatia City began back in 05, I had three places in mind, looks like my first option was correct.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalmantia.htm




Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:01 am

justwondering wrote:See? God's on Mars!

 

Image



Not only that, there is another anomaly close by that seems to
symbolise a chevron we have seen before and are familiar with whats located on Mars.

Image

actually, the anomaly appears to have a 6 sided (hexagon) shape that previously surrounded the circle. The circle appears to be raised and is symmetrical and so does the wall surrounding, there appears to be some key points that surround the circle. A Hexagon is a double triangle where in this case surrounds a circle. A double triangle is a star which has many representations these days.

http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/databa ... teve2.html

Image

And note there is a triangle shape close by pointing to the Hexagon and circle shape.

Also consider there is 5 sided pyramid close by to called the D.M. pyramid

Image

What does Nostradamus say about the DM

66
When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.

Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.

And then you have DalaMatia City and in this case we are talking about verifying ancient inscriptions that lays buried under sand. Dalamatia City is a very ancient cave in metaphor. Upon finding the inscriptions or verifying the journey as well as the discovery of the Seven commands everyone runs for cover as it is true and everything is tried or does infer a judgement. Im might seem ridiculous for some but it could be very true.

Mind you we have to go there and verify ahahahaha.

Maybe the Men of the Moon or our Non breather friends can take us there for a short expedition ahahahaha
.

Now here is a some information about triangles and what it represents and there seems to be warning.

 

Quote
8. THE JERUSEM TRIANGLES

The purely local and routine affairs of Jerusem are directed from
the one hundred triangles . These units are clustered around the ten marvelous structures domiciling the local administration of Jerusem. The triangles are surrounded by the panoramic depiction of the system headquarters history. At present there is an erasure of over two standard miles in this circular story. This sector will be restored upon the readmission of Satania into the constellation family. Every provision for this event has been made by the decrees of Michael, but the tribunal of the Ancients of Days has not yet finished the adjudication of the affairs of the Lucifer rebellion. Satania may not come back into the full fellowship of Norlatiadek so long as it harbors archrebels, high created beings who have fallen from light into darkness.

When Satania can return to the constellation fold, then will come up for consideration the readmission of the isolated worlds into the system family of inhabited planets, accompanied by their restoration to the spiritual communion of the realms. But even if Urantia were restored to the system circuits, you would still be embarrassed by the fact that your whole system rests under a Norlatiadek quarantine partially segregating it from all other systems.

But ere long, the adjudication of Lucifer and his associates will restore the Satania system to the Norlatiadek constellation, and subsequently, Urantia and the other isolated spheres will be restored to the Satania circuits, and again will such worlds enjoy the privileges of interplanetary communication and intersystem communion.

There will come an end for rebels and rebellion. The Supreme Rulers are merciful and patient, but the law of deliberately nourished evil is universally and unerringly executed
. "The wages of sin is death"--eternal obliteration.


and
 

The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion, which they have so recently begun.



That to me the above represents a message and note how the shapes are present in this case but with a message, The Triangles and The Circles and what it represents.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:14 am

The problem, sevens, and we've already covered this -- you have no academic qualifications or credibility!!



I know that, but this comes from a different level and as far as Paradise is concerned I am qualified as this journey to the ancient places has a duality about it. It doesn't upon qualifications and credibility as this concerns the truth of everything, top to bottom. Ahah how many academics and those of qualification compromised themselves in whatever? and leaders who used science for destructive purposes and all that argument??

This to me is not a matter of qualification as private funding could bring out the truth and find science or others to extrapolate the evidence.

At this stage its a step in faith, the whole journey, no one will fund this because the stakes are too high for all sides and dont what to know the truth of the matter because of fear of change or the possibility of it. But Im afraid Paradise may have different ideas going by what I read in the books of our spiritual heritages over the ages concerning ancient times.

I also added to the previous post.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:26 am

justwondering wrote:We've already been here, sevens. From the length of this thread, and from your continuous rantings, and from your poor spelling, grammar and sentence structure, you just don't look like you've got it all together, ya know????

You are obsessed with this, and no one here is even bothering to express any interest. I think your time to give up on this is NOW.

OK???????????



Just Wondering

When I write a post I write post it copy it and the do a spell check then repost it.

Thats the method, it takes a minute, obviously you look at my post in the first instance and use that against me before I have corrected it. Well done.

You dont have to be here. I thought you where moving on as you said yesterday.

I know my English is bad you dont have to read it. I dont care, I do the best I can at the moment.

Your problem is that your in fear and the only thing you can attack is credentials, education, grammar, English. That's all, Big Deal!! I dont care about what you think anymore its just the way it is! Your attacks are all personal, nothing to do with any research or thoughts, always trying to bring down the thread and its attitude. Nothing productive nor positive.

Also Im responding to other people in the thread and who have questions and thoughts and have helped.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:40 am

Its all attack, dont worry about the apology.

I dont think its a rant but a true reality going on hunches, instinct and recognition in the way I see things.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:40 am

Its all attack, dont worry about the apology followed by an insult.

I dont think its a rant but a true reality going on hunches, instinct and recognition in the way I see things. The journey lead me to many places and all Im trying to do is piece the puzzle together into a oneness using the symbols.

It may seem different and strange with what I do, looking from an Atheist point of view but there is no problem.

Its just another viewpoint.

One thing I do know that in the days of the last message that comes from ancient times, no one will believe the last messenger, his message will be rejected. Not one person will support him, it is like the fish John West rejects. That's is for sure, I know this experience as it can be read in full detail as expressed in all the books concerning the last messenger and the paths of Judgment. Sorry, but that's what I read into the matter, This thread is just a living prophecy living itself out and I understand it.

Like it Says in the Egyptian Kolbrin Bible "few will be gathered at the last stand before the great trial" before the destroyer comes. Like in the days of Noah's Mesopotamian flood, everyone laughed, spurned and mocked and no one believed him, then the gates shut and things appeared, no different to today's conditions. Mind you Noah's boat was only a small house boat with his family and animals with provisions and the flood was a major catastrophe localized in Mesopotamia.

The story was expanded by the Jewish priests whilst in Babylonian captivity, the bible rendition is wrong.

1stSusa was a victim of the Mesopotamian flood around 6000BC as the mountains to the North were rising rapidly and due to increased snowfall overtime the floods came. The Bosporus straits also collapsed in that time period.

Here are some initial connections and another place to verify.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/susa/FirstSusa.htm



Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:37 am

DBA

Your last post was just negative.

This is wrong, that's wrong blah blah blah! everything is bad

what's the problem man!

Is it just a little to different for you? Bit hard is it, so you have to spurn and mock. Nothing to do with anything.

Its just research man into a few books and a submerged city. What's the problem with that. Eh!

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:15 pm

justwondering wrote:

sevens wrote:

Gallstones wrote:So, how goes the fundraising? Getting any closer to that expedition?



No im not in raising fundraising mode at the moment.

Sevens



:yawn: This goes in modes?

I'm afraid to ask what mode you are in now.

Im just in cruise mode, what is that a problem to ahahahah

sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:03 pm

Gallstones wrote:So, how goes the fundraising? Getting any closer to that expedition?



No im not in raising fundraising mode at the moment.

I was thinking, do you want to go out there and see what we can find?

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:15 pm

justwondering wrote:

sevens wrote:

Gallstones wrote:So, how goes the fundraising? Getting any closer to that expedition?



No im not in raising fundraising mode at the moment.

Sevens



:yawn: This goes in modes?

I'm afraid to ask what mode you are in now.

Im just in cruise mode. What, is that a problem to? ahahahah

sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:59 am

I believe the following Jeremiah Chapter 30 is about the End Times, latter day.

Jacob I believe is the Last Messenger.

 

Quote:

The Return from Captivity Promised
30The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, 2 Thus
speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. 3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. 4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, [1] and not of peace. 6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man [2] doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. 11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. 12 For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. 13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. 14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased. 15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee. 16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey. 17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap , [3] and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof. 19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small. 20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them. 21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the Lord. 22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing [4] whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked. 24The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

 

Quote:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.



and today we are conscious of the beginnings whether one agrees or not and the extracts highlighted Jacob who is Gods Servant ,the last Messenger unto the path of Judgment, Judgment unto truth.


Sevens



Very powerful scripture and does apply for today and believe can apply to the Last Messenger today, in the latter days.

Sevens


Re: I have a way to prove God!!!

Postby sevens on Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:36 pm

Thats was very funny Arrgh Arrgh.

 

Jeremiah 20:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.



Its all about now! if you have the eyes to see and the ear to hear!

sevens


Post Re: Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods

Now here is a very important post I just found in Jeremiah 20 and completely explains my experience in the Richard Dawkins God Delusion site. I believe this is it, the final scenario looms, the more I post and go through this ordeal over there the more they fall face on into judgement. This really applies to all my experience to on other forums being an outcast and sidelined. There is one friend I have here and that is ArchMichael who is kind enough to speak with me.

I am fulfilling prophecy as seen by Jeremiah this is the exact experience because my word comes from the ancient first places, paths not ever known. No other person on the planet is doing this nor proclaiming this.

Here is the study of the last messengers current experience.

Jeremiah's Lament
Jeremiah 20
7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: [2] thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. 8 For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the Lord was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily. 9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay. 10 For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him. 11 But the Lord is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten. 12 But, O Lord of hosts, that triest the righteous, and seest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them for unto thee have I opened my cause. 13 Sing unto the Lord, praise ye the Lord: for he hath delivered the soul of the poor from the hand of evildoers.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q= ... 20&ver=kjv

 

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Peradventure&ver=kjv

 

Word definitions.

per·ad·ven·ture  

 

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Peradventure&ver=kjv

1–noun chance, doubt, or uncertainty
2 surmise
–adverb
3.Archaic. it may be; maybe; possibly; perhaps
and
Surmise
sur·mise   Pronunciation[v. ser-mahyz; n. ser-mahyz, sur-mahyz] Pronunciation Key - verb, -mised, -mis·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to think or infer without certain or strong evidence; conjecture; guess.
–verb (used without object)
2.
to conjecture or guess.
–noun
3.
a matter of conjecture.
4.
an idea or thought of something as being possible or likely.
5.
a conjecture or opinion


derision
Main Entry:
de·ri·sion
Pronunciation:
\di-ˈri-zhən\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French, from Late Latin derision-, derisio, from Latin deridēre
Date:
14th century
1 a: the use of ridicule or scorn to show contempt b: a state of being derided
2: an object of ridicule or scorn.
------------------------------------------------
Main Entry:
en·tice
Pronunciation:
\in-ˈtīs, en-\
Function:
transitive verb
Inflected Form(s):
en·ticed; en·tic·ing
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French enticer, from Vulgar Latin *intitiare, from Latin in- + titio firebrand
Date:
14th century
: to attract artfully or adroitly or by arousing hope or desire : tempt
synonyms see lure
— en·tice·ment \-ˈtī-smənt\ noun
— en·tic·ing·ly \-ˈtī-siŋ-lē\ adverb

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"9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. Iactualy thought this on the Richard Dawkins website. But then I couldnt help myself.

This is also true "10 For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it."

Sevens


Jeremiah 18

The People's Plots and Jeremiah's Prayer

18 Then said they, Come, and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words. 19 Give heed to me, O Lord, and hearken to the voice of them that contend with me. 20 Shall evil be recompensed for good? for they have digged a pit for my soul. Remember that I stood before thee to speak good for them, and to turn away thy wrath from them.

21 Therefore deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle. 22 Let a cry be heard from their houses, when thou shalt bring a troop suddenly upon them: for they have digged a pit to take me, and hid snares for my feet. 23 Yet, Lord, thou knowest all their counsel against me to slay  me: forgive not their iniquity, neither blot out their sin from thy sight, but let them be overthrown before thee; deal thus with them in the time of thine anger.

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Jeremiah+18&ver=kjv

 

sevens

 


27 And as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on,) but stand thou still a while, [12] that I may shew thee the word of God.

<< 1 Samuel 8 | 1 Samuel 9 | 1 Samuel 10 >>


"Blessed are they who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad; for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." [Matthew 5:10-12]

Luke reports this part of Christ's sermon on the mount thus:--

"Blessed are ye when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in like manner did their fathers unto the prophets." [Luke 6:22-23]


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