and another piece in Metaphor to this time and the opening of the Seven Gates and paths to Dalamatia City


Book of Jubilees.

Quote:

24 And the Lord opened seven flood-gates of heaven,
And the mouths of the fountains of the great deep, seven mouths in number.
25 And the flood-gates began to pour down water from the heaven forty days and forty nights,
And the fountains of the deep also sent up waters, until the whole world was full of water.
26 And the waters increased upon the earth: Fifteen cubits did the waters rise above all the high mountains, And the ark was lift up above the earth,
And it moved upon the face of the waters.

and

St Ehpraim Pearl 3

 

Quote:

This is the month which brings all manner of joy; it is the freedom of the bondsmen, the pride of the free, the crown of the gates, the soothing of the body, that also in its love put purple upon us as upon kings.

This is the month that brings all manner of victories; it frees the spirit; it subdues the body; it brings forth life among mortals; it caused, in its love, Godhead, to dwell in Manhood.

sevens

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:26 am

Some people may think its a bit of a joke but I take it seriously.

I have added the Seven gates and paths to Dalamatia City so anyone who wishes to go to Dalamatia City in the future will have to pass through one of the Seven gates.

Soon the same may apply to all the other sites of the Lord. Man will have to read doctrine and murmur in order to get to the first cities.

I was thinking about the site  persian_gulf/index.htm/ and the thought occurred to me to build Seven Gates leading to the City and so I did. It was during the construction of the gates that I realized this could be a fulfillment in prophecy which impresses me. I then started to find all these scriptures about the Seven Gates in the next day. All spontaneous and from normal contemplation and thought and then finding it is written about, after the fact.

 

Its interesting the building of the Seven Gates is 7 days before xmas.


Sevens

posted 12-19-2007 12:27 PM

Riven

Its interesting how the 7 pattern is embedded in the scriptures.

I myself went through something myself whilst constructing the Seven gates to Dalamatia City.

It occurred to me that it would be a good idea to build a Seven gate system. As I was building the Seven gates I began to notice some references to the Seven paths when in the next day I did a search for the Seven gates and found numerous texts that speak of the Seven gates and about the journey.

I believe that was a great fulfillment of the texts.

About the timeline or when! I have no idea as certain things have to be installed and the world realities have to come into fruition.

One thing for sure in my personal research is that what I went through in my construction of the Seven gates was a real milestone for me and I can see it reflected in the scriptures described as the gates, paths and branches or even floodgates or the Seven gates.

When I think about the gate system, I see it as a spiritual filter of the attitude of the soul for all people that walk through the Seven gates.

To me the city in metaphor, is like the pearl of great price and it is hidden but has been found in a field. This pearl of great price is now on display for all but you have to go through the gates in order to understand it. Going through the paths and learning the wisdom of the Most High.

As you go through the gates you come upon the scripts relevant to the journey and therefore it will become a learning process on a spiritual level.

The Most High and the prophets of old are standing at the gates and is reviewing all who pass through the gates to the great city of truth.

In metaphor of the Seven Gates, the prophets of old are the builders through there knowledge, the gates are a pure construction of the prophets of old and there words for us in this time. The Seven Gates are the Gates of the prophets and seers.

From what I see in my minds eye is that these gates offer the most friendliest invitation to all people and its a path of spiritual safety prepared by the Most High for when all things will pass through the abyss.

Where the paths and branches leads to is to paths of truth in the journey.

I'm sure these are the gates, paths and branches as referred to by the prophets in the Bible and other books.

Whatever we think I feel because of this milestone we must be very close and something big must just around the corner.

Also its is noted in Isaiah that as people pass through the gates there will be murmuring, people will have to read doctrine as in the words from the books of religion and prophets. Oh well tough luck, thats the way it goes!

Anyway Riven thats my take on things at this time and place.

persian_gulf/index.htm

Sevens

posted 12-22-2007 06:22 PM

A very big confirmation of the journey and the anointing of the Seven gates by the Father including the invitation....Well thats my experience after reading so much about these gates and where it leads to,

Revelation 22:14

quote:

---

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

---

The gates are fully working now.

To me its the call to the elect. Im sure before you get to the city along the paths you will get distracted by the branches and its knowledge.

When you get to the city you will be fully enlightened. However if you rush through, there is no result of worth. Then again one can have pride and prejudice but note that the Most High reviews all who enters into the Seven Gates of the city and the Angels of the Gates is standing at its entrances and the prophets and Seers are inviting people in.

The prize is the path to the tree of life as prophesied and this could be one facility of which the elect is selected by the attitude.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com

It was these scriptures that really impressed me in amongst a huge cache found in the Bible.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/urantia-clues14.htm#anointing

Well anyway this is the Xmas present from our friend and fantastic brother/father/creator Jesus and the construction crew of the Gates, Walls, Paths and Branches to the lost cities of our origins.

What a future thing to come. I just praise the Father in Heaven for such a beautiful gift with many blessings.

Yea! All Systems and Gates are GO!

The Sevenfold God of Action Team
I like that one

sevens

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:54 pm

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject:

Jiroft is near the old Dilmuns of the North and East near the headwaters.


Iran wins battle against London Barakat Gallery in Jiroft artifact case.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=159804

Note the concentric circles!

Sevens

note the three coplanar circles.

The Golden Gate is the most impressive gate in Jerusalem, and the only visible entrance to the city of Jerusalem from the East. This oldest of all the gates to the city was the only one not rebuilt by Suleiman the Magnificent in AD 1539-42. Monolithic stones in the wall just above ground have been identified as 6th Century BC masonry from the time of Nehemiah. The Golden Gate was walled up by the Arabs in the year 810. It has remained closed now for nearly 12 centuries. The Golden Gate has long interested many Muslims, most Jews and Christians as the place of the Last Judgment. Historically, judgments were rendered in the gates of the city (Gen. 19:1, 23:10, for instance). Since the Messiah was to come from the East (Matthew 24:27), it was concluded that his judgment would be at the eastern gate. This is one reason for the many Muslim, Christian, and Jewish graves on the Eastern slopes of the Temple Mount, in the Kidron Valley, and on the Western slopes of the Mount of Olives Some Muslims place Allah's final judgment at this location also. Jews link the Messiah's arrival with this gate and Christians have for centuries associated the Golden Gate with Palm Sunday and also with the Second Advent (Luke 19:35-38). Muslims compare the final judgment of mankind to the crossing of a narrow knife blade which stretches from a mountain (the Mount of Olives is often mentioned in Arab legend) to the "gate of heaven." This knife-edged bridge evidently spans the Kidron Valley - as did an ancient stone bridge in Roman times.

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject:

I was doing a search on the Seven gates of judgment.

I came across this Surah.

Im amazed at how it identifies a scenario that we have before us regarding the gates. This appears to reflect in the Quran Surah as well.

 

Seems to reflect the temples of the Father. Quite incredible.

 

I also think this one is all about the two gardens before us Dalamatia City and 1stEden
I believe the garden, the first and send temples is the right interpretation of the below

 

Quote:

“And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: This is what was given us aforetime;and it is given to them in resemblance”

It seems to imply that the gardens are submerged below where rivers used to flow. This fits the description of the location of the cities, submerged under water.

And speaks of fruits which to me is wisdom for survival, it appears to be given beforehand or in the future which could be now which is given to us freely like this journey. From what I read I dont think they have the correct interpretation and there is no way they will look at what I think.

Interesting.

 

sevens

http://www.dar-al-masnavi.org/n-I-3500.html

and

For a time, Zeus pondered.  He had risked and lost everything, save his crown, his symbol of ultimate authority and sovereignty over the gods and mankind.   But then Nugal made his seventh prophecy, that before seven Great Orbs congregated in the sign of Pisces, that The Great Goddess would return and become sovereign over all the earth.  Zeus risked his crown as well, against all that Nugal and Chiron had thus won. 

from

http://www.halexandria.org/dward375.htm

and

As Nugal prepared his Descent into the Underworld in order to rescue Chiron, Thea sent for the beautiful Iris, messenger of the gods.  Together, Nugal and Iris began their descent, Iris empowering Nugal and Nugal providing Iris with his strength.  Iris, as the guide of souls, gave Nugal wise counsel, and he placed his trust in her.  They passed through each of the seven gates of the Underworld, releasing the old and outworn powers on which they had relied while still on earth.  Naked and humbled, they entered the throne room of the Queen of the Underworld, accepting of whatever fate she decreed for them.      

this

The future, your potential future, can be impacted by your journeys through these gates of the "seven churches", the gates which reveal the refuge from the coming time of "martyrdom",

http://www.evilbeastkingdom.com/

and

The seventh prophet that came to the people long ago said to be different from the other prophets. He was young and had a strange light in his eyes. He said,

"In the time of the Seventh Fire New People will emerge. They will retrace their steps to find what was left by the trail. Their steps will take them to the Elders who they will ask to guide them on their journey. But many of the Elders will have fallen asleep. They will awaken to this new time with nothing to offer. Some of the Elders will be silent because no one will ask anything of them. The New People will have to be careful in how they approach the Elders. The task of the New People will not be easy.

"If the New People will remain strong in their quest the Water Drum of the Midewiwin Lodge will again sound its voice. There will be a rebirth of the Anishinabe Nation and a rekindling of old flames. The Sacred Fire will again be lit.

"It is this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire, an eternal fire of peace, love brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with then in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth's people."

Traditional Mide people of Ojibway and people from other nations have interpreted the "two roads" that face the light skinned race as the road to technology and the other road to spiritualism

http://www.wabanaki.com/seven_fires_prophecy.htm

"And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." (Revelation 5:1)

the right hand of Him (computer mouse)

that sat on the throne (sitting in front of a monitor, The throne is the chair of business in front of the monitor, office chair)

a book written within (written as a result of this un the run research)

on the backside, sealed with seven seals. (On the bottom of the electronic page same as the end of book the Sevens Seal)

all on the run

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject:

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject:

And Jesus spoke to them:

"To lift your eyes to heaven
When all mens' eyes are on the ground,
Is not easy.
To worship at the feet of the angels
When all men worship only fame and riches,
Is not easy.
But the most difficult of all
Is to think the thoughts of the angels,
To speak the words of the angels,
And to do as angels do. "

And one man spoke: "But, Master, we are but men, we are not angels. How then can we hope to walk in their ways? Tell us what we must do."

And Jesus spoke:
"As the son inherits the land of his father,
So have we inherited a Holy Land
From our Fathers.

This land is not a field to be ploughed,
But a place within us
Where we may build our Holy Temple.
And even as a temple must be raised,
Stone by stone,
So will I give to you those stones (Recovery of the The Seven Commands and the discovery of the cities.)
For the building of the Holy Temple;
That which we have inherited
From our Fathers,
And their Fathers' Fathers."

And all the men gathered around Jesus, and their faces shone with desire to hear the words which would come from his lips. And he lifted his face to the rising sun, and the radiance of its rays filled his eyes as he spoke:

"The Holy Temple can be built
Only with the ancient Communions,
Those which are spoken,
Those which are thought,
And those which are lived.
For if they are spoken only with the mouth,
They are as a dead hive
Which the bees have forsaken,
That gives no more honey.
Communions are a bridge
Between man and the angels,
And like a bridge,
Can be built only with patience,
Yea, even as the bridge over the river
Is fashioned stone by stone,
As they are found by the water's edge. (Exactly where the Seven commands and the Cities lay, virtually on the edge of the Sea near to land. Not deep.


http://dalamatiacity.com/eden/essene_eden.htm

Sevens

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject:

No problem as on earth as in Heaven

The gardens we face today are the two original temples of the Father which had gardens with a choice to man, that what we have NOW a choice before the gates.

The other gardens could reflect the other places and their fountains of truth and knowledge. Also note in the Book of Jubilees it speaks of four places that are very important to the Lord on Earth.

Thats what we have today

Two gardens of our origins, the original temples given to us by a book written in the hand of God guiding us to the places. What more do you want or need?

The only way to enter these places are the gates with all the scripture that pertain to the places in the pathways.

To me this reflects the construct in the Quran and personally, Im sorry but I don't have confidence in the interpretations I have read from the scholars. Sorry but I see things much differently. I have presented the places to Islam three times and each time they ban me. With an attitude like that I doubt whether they will see the right interpretations and many of them are simply to way out that I cant connect to. That's why I read the Quran from one focalisation on the ancient places and see very clearly its truths.

I reckon I'm more right that any interpretation that is filled with pride and prejudice that I have read from that quarter and the same goes for Christians to. Just look at the fruits of what we see today on all sides DIVISION. the result of bad and poor interpretation, purely. That's why a new book was necessary to sort this rubbish we have today of death and destruction fueled by poor interpretation that will not last.

Also they cant demonstrate a thing, not one thing! But I can, so lets go out there and be bold and do something rather than wasting time on conversation. Come on lets go there right now! to the Persian Gulf and prove the matter rather than all the words. We have enough in The Swagman pack to fulfill this.

See, in light of this challenge we face the parting of the ways and that is all about the construct of faith we see today and seen in the Quran. Having faith in the unseen being led to the origins of civilization. That was the hidden to be revealed and related to the test which can be related to the Seven Gates of the truth and attitude.

All is welcome no matter what religion or doctrine. Its the motive and the heart that is examined at the end of the day by the Most High for the new world to come guided by the Son of Man.



Sevens

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:38 pm The Intent and purpose of the Seven Gates

You know Jesus challenged a young man to join in the Kingdom of Heaven drive but the young man declined because he had to sort his fathers business on earth first, you know back at the office stuff. So Jesus moved on. Its what we see today all over, red rover.

All out for the count! every one of them, all gone run for the hills. All worried about there own business rather than the true business of the Lord which is all about saving mans business of the soul even through a simple physical demonstration that would prove all things.

Unmovable, undeniable, unstoppable and unmatched these are things of the Father in Paradise! And people just fall apart at the seams when it comes to being bold and venturing out to find the Father in the demonstration where in fact, the Lord says that he will meet us there.

"The Lord" I mean Jesus, the great Son of Man who will save us from ourselves because of the lack of faith and guts. People all worried about their outward standing and petty little egos when coming across little obstacles that doesn't go their way. Useless to the core at the end of the day!

Come on great ones of the Coastlands where is your faith and guts and spirit of George Washington as in the prophecy, you got all the money, power and facilities. Go out their and really get the world hopping through the greatest find and verification that has ever occurred.

Even Christians of the Coastlands, I found it in your own books "the Heritages of the Ages" and "The Former things" the path is open for a wider and deeper truth that will lift the Church into higher realms of understanding.

Pack of slackers, real lazy to seek and search! Because there only worried about their Babylon Business, back at the office business which will go due to rapid sea level rise that no one will be able to contend with and that's in prophecy. Well done for such an asleep group of humans who are getting way overweight watching to much TV which diverts them into realms fantasy that are not consistent with the pending reality we face.

Also the youth of today are just oblivious to these realities, many of them are just so materialistic and selfish they cant even greet a person properly and you can see that religion played no part in their upbringing.  Just a product of the Babylon system.

Or is it, with all the money and power in the world you are afraid and fear what is to arise in truth! EH!

And what about all these great heroes I see coming out Hollywood, the fakes of the world, most of them. Where are the real spiritual heroes of the Most High and the Kingdom to come Eh! EH! forget all the intellectual and hero ego stuff when in the future its a matter of survival.

All nested upon the couches all worried about their ego standing, food and TV garbage 90% of it, while the world is headlong for rapid sea level rise especially if the Antarctic snaps in half and melts away which is forecast to happen.

All that drink water and then rises in temperature...we are gonners and will be losers if we dont activate NOW!

I see no heroes of the Most High at the Moment and the Hero I'm talking about is the Hero of truth where death and destruction of the human being plays no part of this. That is the true Hero like Jesus not the Babylon hero of death and destruction like those unbearable cop shows and outstretched egos. The most ugliest thing around in my view and society becomes this ego thing.

I tell you when he comes for the elect he will be and is the great hero of salvation, literally.

That's why the discovery of the cities and verification of the Seven commands is of upmost importance as that demonstration could save many people through enlightenment, the light of truth!

But who gives a damn, right if my arse is saved, truly that the selfishness of those who profess all the Jesus stuff but in actual fact its only a pure self preservation thing, nothing to do with anyone else.....ah not so fast!

The Most high is not a fool to any man!

When the elect are taken, I don't think it will even hit the evening news. Honestly there wont be many elect who fulfills the commandments in the real spirit of which they were designed for. I believe the Seven Gates is good demonstration of the sorting out of the elect. A simple test of faith walking the paths of the gates and no one gets to the cities of our origins unless they venture the paths of truth. That is the discipline that Paradise has placed on these gates due to the poor attitude of mankind regarding these places of his origins.  Man will have to work and learn relevant doctrine and murmur all the way to the cities of our origins.

The Seven gates are full of correction at the end of the day and are not meant to be nice and smooth, its supposed to wake man up up as you run or walk through the gauntlet of truth. The Seven gates will be despised and scorned by many! But the Most High will have the last word, if man rejects its a no win on any level. Thats how strict this time is becoming stripping all false doctrine from man.

The Seven Gates truly means, in the physical the parting of the ways for many as we head towards the transition to the new world and is directly related to what was hidden which is now revealed, linked directly to the origins of Civilization we see before us and where there is unfinished business of Man and the Father.

In this demonstration your either in or out in attitude, no turning back. This is a real serious parting of the ways.

This is the perplexity man goes through written in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

This is the line in the sand that has been drawn and the plumb line has been placed down for measurement.

This is where the real Buck stops for religion and also where falsity mixed with death and destruction meets its final end not to mentioned all the greed and selfishness and including all the wasted talents.  This is where the real Buck stops for religion and also where falsity mixed with death and destruction meets its final end not to mention all the greed and selfishness and including all the wasted talents in the doing nothing because I'm safe attitude, the bugger you Im right Jack attitude..... selfishness that will not survive.

Sevens

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:15 pm

No Worries Abdullah

With this journey and exploration you dont have change your faith at all. The Urantia Book requires no one to give up their faith but to increase it, no worries about that.

You can be totally yourself as an individual as you go through life living the religion as a personal experience which is rich and deep and full of love. At the end of the day there is fear at all just truth, beauty and goodness for all man.

But then again we are only humans and we have our parts of soul we have to work on personally.

The Fatherhood of the Father and Brotherhood of all man is only thing that will be truly effective for the progression of man.

In my personal journey with the UB I have found that I appreciate all the books of religion that is abundant, I love all the books now, every religion. Even though I get a little cranky about the things happening around us, I still appreciate all the books of all the religion as I can see much truth in my focalisation. I am inspired by religion and thats because the UB has led me into this living experience of God and Man working together with real love for one another.

"The whats in it for me attitude" or" take everything and leave nothing behind" has led us to the near destruction of the planet and thats why the book came in to help us through the transition so we could find non exclusive brotherhood for the future world to come.

All the best

Sevens

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject:

No worries BIG Brother Coop I agree that idea 200% ahaha

Abdullah and yourself are spot on, we have to do something or try to, at least.

Tavalu is almost gone and Indonesia is set to loose 1200 islands as I read in the News, its already happening!

We cant much to stop this now, the train is runaway!


In truth we cant reverse what has already started, we will not be able to reverse the global warming effects.

We need more time and to much to change in the way we do things. Plus global leadership is crappy and out of step with the realities of human survival.

Today we are pumping more waste in the air more than ever before, we really have to get into anti gravity and other independent energy system NOW and dump the Oil leave it in the ground and forbade the use of it.

But its too late and its prophecied we will destroy own system due to our selfishness and lack of respect for the planet.

Dont blame God for destroying Babylon, blame ourselves for not listening to the warning and not heeding because it was a little uncomfortable and considering the Babylon masters would loose power and forbade that idea, to our demise for all of us. That is the deception, the beast and the lie! The Belial characteristics in all areas who is about to be judged.
 

This planet is finished and its time for a renovation of both leadership and the physical earth itself.

Gee The Father was doing us favor through all the prophets pertaining to this time.

Sevens

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject:

I totaly agree Abdullah, youre so right. 100%

I just think its a real blessing that you're here.

You're so right and I believe that to.

May the Urantia Book and all the words of religion from all sides help us in this time to save the planet in brotherhood.

all the best blessings
sevens

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject:

I thought this was a very interesting paper on the thought adjuster

http://www.world-destiny.org/faith/divhlp.htm

sevens

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject

Even the thought adjuster knows all about judgment and its reality.

The role call of destiny is all about end times and transition.

sevens

posted 12-24-2007 02:45 PM

Hey Riven, thanks man

Im still looking into your calculation seems interesting, got to think about it a bit more, no worries.

Anyway all the best for the day and great blessings for you and your son.

I think its interesting that this further expansion all came around the xmas time, the construction of the gates happened 7 days before xmas. Everything that happens is never premeditated, It just occurs to me, I do it and then I find it in the scriptures after the fact.

Somethings gong on brother.

merry xmas ho ho ho ho ho ho from the ancient places slay and from the Great Father of the whole Seven Superuniverses and Paradise and including the star students presently here from the Seven University of Havona. Also the Sevenfold Seraphim's from the Sevenfold Mission Operation Earth/Urantia also bid you an excellent xmas for you and your son. This sentiment is also reflected by the United Midwayers to, the permanent residents on this planet.

sevens

posted 12-24-2007 03:48 PM Hey Riven, it just occurred to me to tell you to be prepared for evacuation. These gates I feel and within scripture are the gates of the elect.

Its part of the preservation plan for the new world to come.

Be ready at anytime and be prepared for evacuation.

I don't now times or dates but I feel the Father will give us a sense and I feel the Seven gates are connected.

I feel the gates are a type that is described in the books of religion. This is the evacuation of the future leaders of this planet, the requirement is truth, beauty and goodness, faith and being teachable.

I feel the requirement is of higher level in this operation than general judgment as the elect will be the future leaders that inherit all what's left of the planet and begin the work of rebuilding a new world to come for the time when the next Paradise son comes which I believe will be in another 1000 years, we also receive our first translation temple as prophesied in that time. The new world will be vastly different to what we have now. The elect comes back to embrace the remnant to rebuild.

So be ready at anytime because I feel the Seven Gates are the filter for the elect.

Also the elect will have access to the tree of life which means the elect will be immortal. The tree of life will be restored in the temple and we will all partake of the fruit of the tree of life and build a new fantastic world full of new technologies that where all suppressed by the current and past leaders we have today. The Elect in the new world will have huge family and the names of the Elect will live on forever on Earth and in Heaven.

The remnant, not the elect in the new world wont have access to the tree of life but the remnant will go through the normal cycle life and death.

Access to the tree of life is the prize for this demonstration of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise for the elect and the future leaders of this planet.

The next thousand years will be the most exciting time for man in the annals of the planet and in Paradise!

Great blessings and we will be VICTORIOUS

Sevens

(ps its funny that Atlantis was all about this, in my view!)

Great blessings
Sevens

posted 12-24-2007 05:21 PM

from Toth

Note the Seven Gates have been built and the sign in the Great Pyramid has been located in the shaft The triangle circle symbol.


Each to the other is the Keystone;
each the gateway that leads into LIFE.
Follow the KEY I leave behind me .
Seek and the doorway to LIFE shall be thine.
Seek thou in my pyramid,
deep in the passage that ends in a wall.


Use thou the KEY of the SEVEN,
and open to thee the pathway will fall.
Now unto thee I have given my wisdom.
Now unto thee I have given my way.


Follow the pathway.
Solve thou my secrets.
Unto thee I have shown the way.

Sevens

posted 12-25-2007 01:29 AM

I reckon evacuation to an abode in Space specially prepared for us. However, I'm not sure if its in the Next dimension or in time/space.

One strong thought is that the elect visit another planet that is written about. From what I read the Ancients of Days actually recommend this style of governance from the system of this close by planet.

I figure if the Ancients of Days recommend this the style of government then it would only stand to reason and that the elect would go there to learn and see how the planet runs and get familiar with it on all levels and then we begin to workout a good system for us that is sustainable and harmonizes with this planet and planet. It would be a very practical visit and there will be much time for rest.

Its not a profit driven world.

I also feel that that a group of people arriving to there Planet to learn from them would be in the religious prophecy and forecast. Apparently there is a prophet on this planet who is arising and we also have an insight of certain individuals of this planet.

It is possible that the prophet in this close by planet is receiving, through his thought adjuster, fragments of us coming to learn about this system. It would be a big revelation for him as this journey is a revelation for me.

I feel I might be right in the logic of it. It could be an actual reality and both planets are currently being prepared to receive us for greater understanding of there system that has far better results than we do. It will be world wide event for them.

The Ancients of Days feel that our society would succeed far better by adopting the best of this system which appears to work over there and will work here giving better results than we see today.

I also feel that there will be communication between both planets from that point on and that would confirm a partial lifting of the universal communication circuits. This lifting of the communication circuits would begin to extend to other planets in there lifting of the quarantine.

This will be the result of the end of the Lucifer rebellion where all the affected planets will have this quarantine lifted.

We all will be talking to each other directly.

I reckon the prophet over there is getting strong feelings like I am and I'm sure its all in synchronicity, everything is coming from within from the fragment of the Father and all these glimpses in conjunction with the Holy Spirit and the Angels are all together in this perfected synchronized way.

Once we connect with the other planet and become familiar and learn things we will come back to the remnant and begin to rebuild this planet with a whole new system of governance.

I also believe that the elect could be instrumental in lifting the quarantine on the other planets to in time. Its like the elect will be universal administrators in Space/time in this sector.

The whole process could take a thousand years.

I'm not sure but we have to see what happens.

Also its a democratic process and has 3 tiers of houses therefore representing all people of there society.

Fair Dinkum this is like an Star Trek, Stargate adventure.

I hope this helps.

All the best for the new year

Sevens
 

posted 12-26-2007 03:35 AM  

Hi Brig
The Brookings study

Im not familiar with that Brig but I do agree about secrets when you're a kid.

For me personal Im really inspired to work out the Mystery of the creator, that would have to be the greatest and best mystery.

How in the mysteries of the Father there is no ego involved but an opportunity to learn and be part of a great thing to happen sometime in the future.

I reckon the mystery of Paradise is grand mystery.

All the best
Sevens

posted 12-26-2007 04:44 AM                      

quote:

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No one is absolutely certain who the elect are (the 144,000).

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I agree Brig

No idea how many the elect will be. But I dont think it will be many people.

Even if its 144,000 out of 7 Billion. Thats a pretty low percentage. Is that because something was demonstrated but ignored and not taken seriously? Where in actual fact it was real and was the great sign as foretold?

Did the humans in this foresight fail to recognize and failed to do so and therefore missed out on the opportunity?

From what I understand Belial is restrained to some degree but when the elect leave, Belial is unleashed where that restraint is lifted From what I read Belial gets really pissed off at this occurrence because he has been exposed.

Belial manifesto at that time will Be.

Literally

If I go Down you go down with me. Thats all it will be.

In response to that Belial(the last rebel)will unleash everything possible against man though his followers in their delusions, all written about. All the goodness that restrains Belial today will be lifted and then Man will go through the wringer.

It seems obvious that most of the Church and people of other religions will remain here. Going by the 144,000 number a bad result. I believe they remain because they missed the window and did not heed to the sign because of the effect of crystallized doctrine and failing to look beyond the doctrine and dogma in understanding. Note the Bible is incomplete and people are relying on incomplete information which is forecast to be completed. But they missed the stage of completion.

So therefore they remain but God provides special protection within the boundary he provides in that time for the remnant. After the elect have been taken it will become obvious what the sign was and what it was connected to, then great regret will set in but in the regret there will be guidance through the information that is left behind. The information left behind I feel is related to work and record left behind including all the interpretations, that will be guide. Thats where the record becomes the life boat or an ark for the remnant like the record in the Ark in these times for the elect. The return will be the second opportunity after realization, those who fail to recognize then or maintain evil will wiped out during judgment that is committed by the Ancients of Days, The Elect will be part of the judgment upon the return with Jesus present.

As you know I feel the the revealing of the ancient places is all about this plan and personally I'm not sure if the expedition will happen before the rapture.

Im sure the ancient cities are the great sign!

I want to say that these deductions are only a product of the books of religion as I see it and where it has taken me.

We have to see what pans out all I say that halfheartedness is OK in the journey, the smallest amount of faith is OK.

It got nothing to so with me or who I am at all, its the messages behind these places is the ting I'm trying to get across.

Fair Dinkum, if this is a reality and completely accurate I want us all to win anbd be victorious. No one has to agree on all levels but we can investigate the matter in our own way and see what we come up with and share the results.

I'm sure we are all perceiving something in our own way and we express these feelings in our own way that may seem a little unreal to some but that where understanding comes in.

Like Wirelessguru explains his thoughts in a scientific way of his understanding which makes me think as I try to understand his thoughts. I always find it fascinating trying to picture his words in my mind in a scientific thought and trying to fathom the truth behind it. I'm still thinking about it.

Riven expresses himself the way he does, little different but I try to understanding trying to see what he sees.

I'm sure all thoughts take us basically to the same conclusion at the end of the day which means change and change is definitely on the cards.

But so far I'm happy with how it going.

Anyway see what happens

Sevens

Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:24 am

No worries.

I would think working with Angels would be a better expression, sure, the document was written 2000 years ago, I wouldn't get to harsh of them. They were learning from Jesus just like we are today. The Father gets all the worship but I thank the Angels all the time for their help and I give them great honor and they are happy because I want to do a good job for the Father and Jesus, do you?

I Also give honour to teacher of righteousness who compiled this paper and I also give honour to the last teacher of righteousness for storing the DSC that is essential for today, in this time. Honour all round!

We haven't got it all right either, considering all the division in religion today. No different in them days and we are still waiting for completion through the mysteries of mysteries!

The current Bible was compiled at around 300AD by the Nice conference. Why did the Pope knock out all the other books? Like Enoch. In essence what we read today is a Catholic compile of the bible excluding many books that even Jesus read and studied. Then you consider all the version of Christianity and all the different versions we have today.

What's the story, I would look at oneself before getting to critical about the Essenes. Plus there truth is the DSC and they had direct contact with Jesus 2000 years. In fact Jesus lived close to one of the Essenes outpost.

I wouldn't get to fussed up about it as Both the DSC, the Essene papers of Jesus and the Bible work in perfect harmony and in synchronicity in this timeline of the End times and not to mention the new Book all working together as one with Angels and the Father. All the Books that open in the last days in synchronicity to a great discovery.

Everywhere I look its about one book and nothing else because of man made barriers in dogma and doctrine, that's the reason for all the division....yeah Belial territory, Division that even effected the church. The Church as a whole should look at itself right now and seek beyond the one book and start opening other book for the clues to the end times.

The way it works in Heaven...Because there is mystery to be solved layed out by heaven. Soon as the mystery is realized in truth by one human being, then the mystery is activated and is on the move, on the run. Seek persist and you shall find right.

I think the realisation of the ancient places and the truth behind it has activated this mystery and we are living it now. That's what Jesus wants us to do is living the mystery to the end and that will be the key for the elect for evacuation. Whether anyone likes or not.

I believe the process is really happening I would prepare right now, drop all the prejudices and pride and get on to it.

In revelation its speaks of the wayward churches in the end times right. I then wonder which 6 of the wayward does anyone belong to? Why are the Churches wayward? Is it because they refuse to look into the mystery?

You know I get better response that provokes thought from the secular sites than I do here because of pride and prejudice and that's because of Doctrine and dogma of which Jesus will strip man of as is written. The remnant will be a witness to this but there is a second opportunity...This is the fire and refining of all the wayward churches, they will make it in the end but everything outside of that will perish and never to return particularly the Babylon business.

I'm not fussed at all if no one believes this witness, I don't care for any following or anything. I'm just doing my job for the Father and I know no one will believe this anyway because it is written, they all reject, everyone.

That's why the Elect are so few and when they depart in a flash of light it wont even hit the news or be passed of as freak thing. But you will know what the disappearance means and that will be the all time sign that judgment is in process officially and the adjudication of Belial and Lucifer and the rebellion has begun by the Ancient of Days.

Wayward churches in the end times that are rebuked tells me that they all got it wrong completely and missed it 100% and when it came they just couldn't see it and dropped the ball literally because they became dumb down and ignorant and guided by people who in this mystery were blinded by there dogma which was incomplete and by their Babylon business.

That's why in the end times the Father is working with really humble and meek people who really love him and want to do a good job for him in the upmost and he wants us to have a good time finding him because he will meet us there even though he is here, of course, within us.

That was the point of Jesus working with the Father within and at the same time working with Angels in the external like researching all the books of religion with there guidance.

Nothing wrong with that.


Sevens
 

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject:

Hi Samson,

Is that all you can concentrate on after all the posts, is that the only you can say over one verse in amongst hundreds where in that verse its probably an expression of those days of which you judge with today's standard in the know all attitude. The Essenes had more going for them then many who claim to be experts where in actual fact they are quite narrow minded. Even if there was a new revelation most people would even see it because of there fear and lack of faith.

I mean the DSC are there all wrong to?

I think you're full of fear, how about finding scripts to combat terrorism or something useful. By the way what church do you go to.

The Old testament is just as valid as the new and still the bible is incomplete. Christianity might be the best mainstream body of truth around but it has long way and it really hasn't demonstrated anything except division in doctrine like what you're trying to create.

If you want to argue these things I suggest you go elsewhere. I don't want this thread being bogged down with people who don't look into the matter with an open mind and with fear and no faith.

Remember the churches get rebuked in revelation as written...Oh that's wrong to because it doesn't suit your thoughts.

Expand yourself, look around what do you see, a world in turmoil and where are the prophets and the great ones trying to prevent this religious disaster. Hiding behind government and where is the truth of Christianity bringing peace to this world currently, No where because its all inclusive and all about ME. There is something wrong and has to be corrected as was foreseen. You're not out of woods and so is no one while we have these problems. Remembering people will say I healed in Jesus name but Jesus never recognized them. That squarely points to some people in the Christian religion in that case Christianity have to review all the books and not just one testament excluding all others.

I noticed you made no comment on the other things I have said.

You now Enoch have all these precise scriptures about the suicide bomber and about Bin Laden. Has any one from Christianity informed the Islamic scholars of this. No, because Christians are forbade to look into the Book of Enoch, that's the problem. All the prophets relied on Enoch including the NT prophets to here Christianity in there exclusivity saying OH no, Enoch is from Satan or some rubbish like that without any demonstration.

The whole Bible including all the books that was knocked out during the compile have to be used in the end times.

Everything have to be used, no stone unturned.


Sevens

Sampson

Pretty soon I want to make up a video about the scripts against terrorism becuase I think its just a disaster all round as we can see in the assination of Bhutto. That lady was guiding light towards the efforts against terrorism and I feel we should do something about it.

I would like to volunteer this link to be worked on.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/enoch_terrorism.htm

I would like to build a presentation of the scripts with thoughts about terrorism with good interpretations in the hope of enlightenment.

In stead of pitting ourselves against each other why dont we work together in a form of brotherhood towards a solution that will eliminate terrorism even though we have varying ideas. Thats OK. Personally, I think Jesus would be very happy for us to work on this project. After its done well send it off as a message to Bin Laden from concerned religionists, thats the best we can do considering the circumstances.

Everyone is invited in this study and spiritual action but if no one participates I will do it myself. I dont care, I hate terrorism I think its so evil.

 

Come on lets get a few ideas going based on the commonality of Anti terrorism and what we find in all the scriptures and the books.

By the way if anyone wants to use these anti terrorist scripts in a sermon or something go for it.

Here is an interesting link from Isaiah 33

I reckon there are direct links to Bin Laden

The LORD Will Bring Salvation

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/eden/isaiah_33.htm

Here is an extract with a few thoughts at the time, there are many clues here to the time.

 

Quote:

15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;

16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

Seen worldwide

18 Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver where is he that counted the towers?

Was that that about Bin Laden? a scribe who measured the towers for evil purpose? Is that a time reference marker, a clue of the times?

19 Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand.

Does the message come from a foreign place and from a people that cannot be seen, like through the Internet and the message is not understood? A people of deep perception of truth whose words are like a sword of truth and light and cuts through all the falsity? The stammering tongue? there is another reference to the stammering tongue? Does the stammering tongue reply to terrorism in truth about its evil? Could that be about this proposal of producing something scriptural and broadcasting the message?


20 Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.

Zion and Jerusalem appears to be 2 locations. I wonder if Zion is related to the ancient places??

21 But there the glorious Lord will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams; wherein shall go no galley with oars, neither shall gallant ship pass thereby.

Its a place that might be submerged, a focalisation, its river and streams but with no ships or oars so it could be underwater maybe? Where there were remnants of the streams and rivers and cities poerhaps?

22 For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us.

Thats true, the Jesus Message is the saving message.

23 Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey.

Loose tackling and weak mast, does that mean a deficiency in knowledge and truth. However the meek inherit the land, and the spoils?

24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.

The children who dwell within the truth will be forgiven.

and Enoch1 34

Perhaps in metaphor it could relate to Bin Laden, the fruit of him seems to be consistent.

Quote:

34 1 They have rejected my commandments and my yoke, worthless seed has come up, not fearing God, and they would not bow down to me, but have begun to bow down to vain gods, and 2 denied my unity, and have laden the whole earth with untruths, offenses, abominable lecheries., namely one with another, and all manner of other unclean wickednesses, which are disgusting to relate. 3 And therefore I will bring down a deluge upon the earth and will destroy all men, and the whole earth will crumble together into great darkness.

and I thought this was a direct reference to Laden to and connected with the towers

Quote:

Isaiah 33
18 Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver where is he that counted the towers?

An d I thought this one was a connection to the above scripture.

 

Quote:

Isaiah 41 25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

But it could be about judgment day and the destruction of Babylon, it could be a duality in metaphor.

And about the suicide Terrorist

 

Quote:

3 Fear not the sinners, ye righteous;
For again will the Lord deliver them into your hands,
That ye may execute judgement upon them according to your desires.

4 Woe to you who fulminate anathemas which cannot be reversed:
Healing shall therefore be far from you because of your sins.

and this one Isaiah 1
 

Quote:

Isaiah 1 (King James Version)
Related Commentaries
Isaiah 1

A Sinful Nation
1The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the **snip** his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

The above seems to reflect all the activities of Bin Laden and the fruits of his followers.

By there fruits you shall now them.




Sevens

 Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:17 am rapture

I feel that after Rapture has been initiated. The secular unbelieving world I feel, will pass the phenomena off as a freak thing from the sun. Mind you there wont be many people in Rapture, judging on the numbers given in revelation. A small percentage in relation to world population.

For the Christian Church and for those that are aware of this report, the blindness will be lifted and Christians will realize the truth. Many Christians still wont believe however many might because it is the record of rapture and it could very well be the ARK of the TESTAMENT as in revelations. Like a testament that becomes an Ark after Rapture. I'm sure many in church will proclaim and prophecy of impending judgment after the great sign of rapture. Perhaps its then the persecutions begins being the result of Belial's anger through man and the Babylon System. Not to mention all the earth changes that begin as a result of rapture which could be a side effect of the process.

After Rapture much revelation prophecy will fulfill itself but more fulfillment has to come to pass.

The masters of the secular world will also be aware of their fate and many changes happen in the control factor. If we loose our ports and coastal cities because of rapid sea level rise then the Babylon will be destroyed and also there will be no food and fuel for all including housing. It will be not a good time and that prosperity doctrine will be seen as absolute false doctrine.

After Rapture much revelation prophecy will fulfill itself but more fulfillment has to come to pass and all families will be stripped of there Babylon prosperity through earth changes like rising sea levels, tectonic plate movement and not to mention Volcanic action.

Rapture could happen at anytime now and it doesn't need the verification of the ancient places. All is being revealed in the images, through the words of the Books of religion and in the report. This could be quite adequate already knowing the response to the mystery by the Father.

Everyone, I would get your evacuation plan ready within yourself and make your family aware of things and for them to be prepared within themselves, serious! No Joke! It could be where the faith of one saves his/her family and that's important to the Father, The Family. Even where one speaks on behalf of the other in faith is good.

When Rapture happens...It be FLASH/GONE!  just like that, it will happen so quickly...in a flash.  I feel we will have a feeling before hand probably a very peaceful feeling that you have never felt before and a sense of quiet confidence.

All the best

Sevens

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:23 am  

I agree with Abdullah, I'm really happy you are receiving benefits from the book. I pray for great blessings for you in your journey with the UB and I appreciate you looking at it with an open mind and heart. Thank you.

Great blessings to you, I am encouraged by your experience.

To me your experience with the Urantia Book is thrilling and compelling.

Yea!

Sevens

Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:55 pm The Challenge to Religions

I suppose concerning others...Oh well thats the way it goes, it all makes sense to me.

I have a challenge to Religion to test this theory out through a demonstration in Archeology and science.

The final proof.

If anyone like to participate in the challenge and make it worldwide in a transparent way.

The great Challenge of Religion.

We have all whole body of Christ, the Church on side and this group also includes Islam(they might as well join in) and the Quran with words of all there Dogmas of the end times.

and

On the other side you have my words of the record representing Paradise in the journey to the Ancient places with the first test as being the Verification of Dalamatia City through the New Book, The Urantia Book including the Bible and all the other books as used in this testament to the ancient places.

Thats is my challenge to everyone and all those who represent there religion.

OK I dont care what people say. The plumb line has been set and it can measured so lets measure it.

A world wide test of the new Book as in harmony with the all the books to the ancient places.

Lets see how robust all the religions and lets test it out through discovery, an actual discovery of a city.

all the best
Sevens

Here is a link to the Ernst Moyers papers

http://www.world-destiny.org/faith/faithtab.htm

and here is a link to the Edmund Roach link

http://www.inspiredbooks.com/

I think these researchers are spot on about the current time we are in and who look fully into the matter using all the books of religion including the UB.

I believe UB people could learn from these people as well. The UB is the new book as stated in Revelations for the new Epoch and we are in the transition right now.

I reckon they would be akin to the prophets of the Coastlands and I don't think they are filled with pride and prejudice.

Truth fragments are spread all across all the books of religion and the UB unifies all the books into a unified focalisation of truth which can be demonstrated and partially has been demonstrated.

Studying all the books of religion in focalisation is like swimming in the river of our heritages, in the river of truth that has ran down the ages.

The heritages are ours.

Its a great swim!

From what I see the UB is the Ark in the face of impending change written in the finger of God that the Angels handed to us.


regards
Sevens

Here is a post on another forum that can be confidently be added to the 1st Eden research as in the journey to the ancient places which includes Dalamatia City and 1stEden inclusive.

You know the 1st Eden the one Robert Sarmast discovered for the benefit of the Ub readers, in case anyone forgot purposely or not! You know the project everyone has abandoned except myself even though it is written about and demonstrated. Eh!

Whats the story! Eh!.....lets continue!

This provides further evidence backing up the Urantia Book and is its great words of truth

I'm sure the authors have good message to spread but why are these books so expensive do they want to make a million or something.

400 bucks, that is a real killing on knowledge of the inexpensive UB. Is this the price of mans thoughts?

Just doesn't seem right and excludes 95% of the market place.

Good luck to there book but they are a ripoff especially when its UB inspired and given at a low price.

I prefer my book FREE! any hard copy would only be a restatement of what was given freely in the spirit of truth, beauty and goodness and it would not be $400 Bucks, sorry those charging those prices is almost against the spirit of the UB.

What sparked this latest find originates from a Christian End time site, it appears that some maybe seeing things and doing something.

sevens

The final word is here NOW and is manifesting in reality of the timeline in the journey.

Everything that was foreseen is happening NOW no need to wait to proclaim the truth of transition.

Those who are blind and hide behind through doctrine and dogma will not see it. It is written in the books of all religions.

Learning by rote will not cut it with Paradise, its the living experience with Father in life that really connects to Paradise and the Father, living the truth with ones mind body and spirit with the father in love for one another for mutual service for man.

I pray that Muslims who receive benefit from the UB and its associated truth and discoveries will spread the word in the Islam community and help bring stability to the religion in the path to the Father in Love for all mankind.

I cant do it because I always get banned, Ive tried many times, the truth for Islam in these end times must come from within there brotherhood. Remember Jesus the messiah will return to kill Dajjal at the gates of Babel lud.  Thats Jesus and his words and truth.

He is the messiah and there has to be method for this and it must be from the first places.

In regards to Jesus' death I have full confidence in the UB account as totally accurate, the best and most accurate record we have now.


Sevens

posted 01-02-2008 03:38 AM

I reckon thats absolute crap.

It can be related to the heads of the Persian Gulf to where there is a sea to the West and a sea the East.

You all full of it with your half baked theories trying to fit a circle in a box that just doesn't fit and repeated threads saying the same thing.

Just rubbish all these same ole proclamations of multiple threads of nothing and no evidence at all....Nothing! All Bull.

Gorgeous theories are not existent in the reality in truth. They are sunk and have been for a long time.

sevens

Well have a good read of this and lets go out there and establish some facts


http://www.dalamatiacity.com

OK

enough of the talk

Fair dinkum you dont read enough in the UB and all the associated texts in the other books

Give me an example of your opposition rather than an uninformed statements.

It about time the UB community became more deeper and wider in there research and get on it rather than running to hills with nothing to offer in there silent and now vocal opposition to the first places, the heritage of the ages.

You prove that Dalamatia City and 1st Eden is wrong.

Obviously thats your mission.  Prove that I am wrong!

Jesus was killed by men of the Babylon System, the henchmen of Satan and now a religion 400AD that ran over and hijacked adopted parts of the religion of Abner (the 70 of the John the Baptist followers) attempts to distort the record of the demise of Jesus. Well were does that come from in the ultimate sense, adding more confusion and error to the record and to our current reality in erroneous actions. EH! By the way who wrote the demise of Jesus in the Quran where did that justification from...who was the author. Was he there, was he personally there in the reality?? How can he demonstrate that?

St Ephraim, the Syriac priest 300AD author of the Seven pearls was the last informed prophet or seer of the Eastern Christian Church that saw the truth and future demise of the church and how it would happen before his church got demolished. St Ephraim certainly knew that Jesus was killed physically as in the Bible and the Urantia Book and foreseen in the Dead Sea Scrolls. But some guy closer to our time just got the scripts and through some lousy interpretation and distorted the facts because of his own pride and prejudices of those days to undermine the truth with some other distorted form that we have live with it today. So typical of dumb down man dumbing generations after generations through pride and prejudice. Even where it reduces man to rote exercises and has nothing to do with personality survival or living the truth as the Father would desire us to do.

Just the same ole story without any evidence whats so ever. Just mankind talk with no demonstration at all. Nothing!

Its like all the heritages of the ages in Iran of before 400AD are systematically being destroyed by ignorant people under the guise of economics where its actual fact all guided by religion. What religion does that to falsify the truth. Why would a religion do that if there is nothing to hide, why all the destruction, what false pretense or pride and error creates that, why should anyone hide from the truth or destroy the trail that leads to the ultimate truth. Same ole story of the wayward trend of men that know nothing because there very poor attitudes covered with pride and prejudice who govern with Fear and imposition.

The discovery of all the ancient places will verify the UB account and indirectly confirms the true story and teachings of Jesus.

So live with it as it will be demonstrated.

The Urantia Book is just a demonstration how wrong all the religions are in there pride and prejudice attitude and the level of correction.

Are you ready for correction or are you holding on top pride and prejudice?? of long ago.

I stand by my record and journey to the ancient places.

sevens
 

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject:

Also I am not here to be sweet nor to be liked or be followed at all...Nothing.

I don't care for a following, that's the last thing I want, big deal for Ego unlike some I know when things dont go there way they snap in half and abandon because their bloody ego.

Fruitless and useless!

I battle for the truth to break through the ignorance and to be a snapper around his heals of man to get him going to the ancient places.

Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject:

The AntiChrist is the Rebel, who else could it be, wake up to that fact.

Caligastia the ultimate insane Anti Christ and he is due for adjudication with his followers (Whoever they are, could be anyone) as stated in the UB and in the Bible where they call him a different name.

You know that and the UB knows that, the last rebel is the infiltrator of all the religions in one way or another and that explains the division we have today. What is found in the Quran concerning Dajjal and Jesus is just another reflection of adjudication.

I believe the ancient, first and second places of the temple of the Father is the spring board for adjudication. The places that where hidden is being revealed step by step with its purposes.

"The Heritage of Ages are ours" and then you find in the books of religion that heritage of our ages have judgment or adjudication connected to it.

Right!

Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject:

L. Watkins

How do you know that I am wrong?

You prove to me that I am wrong.

I dont see you saying much.

What if there is impending problems and we are so blind in our self serving like yourself to.

in your pretense eh!

You're not prefect either buddy in all things. What I say are brought forward from the river of truth running down the ages. Have you read any other religious Books and what do they say in this current state of play and compared them in truth.

Why do we have these problems of religion today? Why is the UB here?

Al Im doing is presenting the truth as I see it in my personal journey using everything I can lay my hands on leaving nothing unturned.

Anyway dont worry about www.dalamatiacity.com

Abdullah would get more emails from this forum than I do hits in a month. Which by the way I am very intrigued by Abdullahs experience and he maybe the answer for his brotherhood in the light of truth in the discovery. Perhaps the angels are fast tracking Abdullah for his people in the face of vast changes that will occur. I feel Abdullah has the capacity to see things that would be extremely purposeful for the Paradise and for his people in this time. Well thats what I reckon and sense.

I always knew my research would never be accepted even though it is the call of duty that I have taken up for the truth in its raw form. This journey is not one of exclusivity but one that embraces all religions and the truth, the final truth of which the UB is ultimately part of.

It must be hard for you to go through my website. Oh that must be challenging.

EH!

What false doctrine, you gotta be kidding, I am part of the expeditions to the places and while all have abandoned the journey including yourself. I'm still here writing for it and the messages that encapsulate the places, through the scriptures, no funny business. Actually Isaiah speaks of it if you care to take the time.

What I have found in all the books have been revealed for free on the run. I have volunteered more than anyone here regarding the scripts from all the books in connection to the ancient places.

False doctrine that is a load of rubbish particularly when no one participates in the exploration of the ancient places in the way of a detailed analysis of the texts that surround the places of the first times where there is unfinished business. Where all our problems began.

There is no false doctrine here and certainly and no want for a following in the compromise of truth to be sweet and smooth. What a Joke! Who cares about hits in the light of truth.

Its just flat out truth! in everyone face as I see laziness to seek the other books in the final analysis.

1stEden and Dalamatia City, false doctrine. Gee I cant believe it and its in your face. How dare you degrade the work of the ancient places when you present nothing of your work and research in proper analysis to refute. Utterly mindless and loose with your lips and poor in your analysis with nothing to show except an opinion that has no focalization or bearing. Not even a scripture, nothing!



Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject:

From what I see in focalization to the ancient places the UB and all the books are in harmony and are in onenss to the intent and purpose of the ancient places.

They all have commonality that is the common thing that has driven this research and discovery through commonality, unrelentingly. But how would anyone know without researching the matter.


Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject:

Kreneep

Thanks for looking at the links, that's pretty quick to formulate an opinion. But anyway thanks for looking at the links, least you looked.

I appreciate it and the very best in your journey in the UB.

all the best
Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:04 pm    Post subject:

From what I see in focalization to the ancient places the UB and all the books are in harmony and are in oneness to the intent and purpose of the ancient places.

They all have commonality that is the common thing that has driven this research and discovery through commonality, unrelentingly. But how would anyone know without researching the matter. Whilst truth is beautiful it can be rough as well.

Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject:

Iris

Your in dreamland and missing the overall message and reflections in the Quran and then in your pride and prejudice you bag revelations of which also speak of the same judgment in the same overall of reflection of it.

There is an adjudication and it is stated in all the books including the UB. You're getting to technical and in pride and prejudice. In addition you have revelations where Jesus of the UB states that John was more accurate than anyone and that includes Enoch to. However, we know revelations has been distorted I would understand that. Its the relevant fragments of truth contained in the books that I am concerned with based on a commonality. Not all the other additions along the way that was no doubt filled with pride and prejudice, no doubt along the way.

Its all the same reflections in the all the books in totality and does include the UB.

I believe the relevant fragments of commonality will light up in all the books and the UB will be the focus that will eventually unify all the religion and which can be demonstrated.

The UB will be the common ground of unification and its is involved in a great, compelling mystery that will prove itself Solid and unmovable.

It will be the UB that will bring all man together through demonstration that will slice through all the pride and prejudice and narrow mindeness.

Already I see the difference in the Christian community in the forum that I attend and post everyday. The people in Christianity look positive and ready to receive the UB as source of good truth and which be substantiated through the journey to the ancient places. They simply cant combat the truth as much of it is already layed up with the before Christ prophets and is being unified by the UB, they can not get around it.

There is big results already starting to appear and I would expect the same results in Islam with the new teachers of the truth.



Sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Judgment

Then again Jesus says that he will come again and it maybe in the middle of a pending crisis.

The UB said that he will come again and the Angels forecast that it MAY be in the middle of a pending crisis.

I wonder what the crisis would be and I wonder if it has something to do with religion and its divisions and the way the planet is trending.

then you have this curious piece by a self acting thought adjuster about JUDGMENT.

 

a UB search on Judgment

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=judgment&submit=Submit

And what does Caligastia stand for. Division and confusion with smooth and nice pleasures on offer for a following, his method. What do we have in the world today, rife with division and misunderstanding and death with destruction based on promises.

Before any judgment/transition/correction occurs, enlightenment will be on offer by Jesus, if that is rejected as in the feast then it comes to the judgment of the Ancient of Days in conjunction with the adjudication of the Last AntiChrist rebel which has already began.

The Ub is healing of the nations.

What does personality survival mean and what does it pass before survival, Judgment.

A world will go through the same thing in the judgment of Belial/Caligastia/Shaitan/Satan.

What constitutes a salvable population?? Ever though of that. What are the standards to enter the Kingdom of Heaven or Paradise?? from the UB prospective.

Jesus will be enlightenment as the path of success but the Father I believe will bring the ROD of correction, the breaker of smooth and easy things that are false through demonstration of where all the confusion began.

This one

 

That's true I stand to be corrected on that one. I heard that one, I will try and avoid judging others in future.

Sorry for my judgments if overstepped the line, I will hold myself back in future.

Here is another one completely about judgment of this planet

 

Judgment in the Ub of this planet is all over the place.

sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject:

Give me break Ray, Larry already has stated his position and now we are further down the track where the discussion is settling down.

You just have to add something to inflame. You just have to add something to inflame. Just got to get the word in cant help yourself.

Here is more about judgment

 

As you can see judgment is a reality "he has foreseen them all" and is related to human crisis and is related to human crisis and was foreseen through all the prophets of old in all the religions including the NT disciples but only in part because the UB is the final word and unifier.


Ray OK you can also prove that I am wrong that is OK, let prove it with research! rather than opinions.

I already apologized for my judgments in my last post. Self correction through the UB.

If am to judge my fellow brother in future, I will hold back and pass it on the ancient of Days where they do the judging. I apologize for judgments Iris and anyone that I have offended in my cosmic tension..

sevens

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject:

Larry

Cant get around the truth, the truth is already out there, deleting and suppression only seems like the look of a spiritual coward who runs in the deletion with this some superior attitude reflecting yourself. Did Jesus ever suppress the disciples in their discussions. No! then who are you in presumption.

Judgment is on the way and you're a part of it like everyone else and we stand by our record and fruits towards one another in your judgment of others.

I have already apologized for my judgments.

But I will withdraw from this thread!

All the best Abdullah and Iris and all the best for the Pauline group and ISLAM in the new truth.

 

Least someone is getting a benefit out of the debate.

all the best Abdullah.

I know you will help your brother in Islam with this great uplift



Sevens

  posted 01-03-2008 01:47 AM

Yes Bluehue, I agree with you. I think they are all wrong, I think your location makes sense and is very close to the where the real first places were in the very ancient times based on what I found in my research.

I feel a little further near the Persian Gulf Heads. We are not far from each other in the research.

The first origins of the Ad was up around Aden and the Heads of the Persian Gulf. I believe both Aden and Persian Gulf heads was all connected in the Genes of the Ad long, long ago who did originate from the fallen Sons of God from the first City submerged in the Persian Gulf. I feel Georgeous theory hold no water, they already did an expedition to the Spratly island and never found the island large enough to hold a civilisation as large as the Atlantis story.

All those civilizations they speak of were a later people who migrated from the East to the West and their timelines are up the put. If they are speaking of the origins of mans Civilisation it goes back far further than 1450BC. You gotta be kidding especially when we have writing going back to 9500BC in Iran around the Persian Gulf heads.

Like Georgeous they suited their long ago legends of another place to their own geography for self grandeur reasons and built circle places in accordance to their religions and legends that did actually come from the East to the West.

Multiple threads on posts that cant be backed up with proper images and data is just fruitless and quite stupid to post. Its like a sinking ship of a theory with absolutely no evidence to show and if there is an image of a vase it is relatively new in a later period nothing connected to the city of the Gods. Unlike the evidence found in Jiroft and other places in Iran that go back 9000BC.n 

in Iran around the Persian Gulf heads.

Like Georgeous they suited their long ago legends of another place to their own geography for self grandeur reasons and built circle places in accordance to their religions and legends that did actually come from the East to the West.

Multiple threads on posts that cant be backed up with proper images and data is just fruitless and quite stupid to post. Its like a sinking ship of a theory with absolutely no evidence to show and if there is an image of a vase it is relatively new in a later period nothing connected to the city of the Gods. Unlike the evidence found in Jiroft and other places in Iran that go back 9000BC.

Essentially all the theories that I have seen hold absolutely no water all of them can be explained quite logically through current information that is available.

Bimini island theory is sunk and never was in my view except for a few recent anchor rocks.

The Incas where influenced by the early Andites and Sumerian texts have been excavated in Peru proving the Mesopotamian influence. The Inca location is not Atlantis.

Outside the Gibraltar heads is not proven and nothing has been found, its just words.

The Azores which may have been again a later migration from the West but not Atlantis but there is submerged remains but not that deep.

To me it only leaves the middle east and around the Aden area of the Ad.

I dont believe in the Avila and Tanzania theory at all.

The only one that does intrigue me is the Sea of Azov as I know through the UB there is talk of an early civilisation many thousands of years ago when the Northern Med was extended further north near the Caspian Sea. It was in the western turn of the migratory travels where Onagar a great teacher built a small civilisation called Oban. The people were the first humans who cooked meat and where civilized for that time.

Also the area of Azov is close to homeland of the Adamson civilisation. But it is not Atlantis the first place of mans civilisation of the very ancient times.

Here is a snippet on Oban and could be clue to a discovery. I suppose one would look for cooking stones and old stone huts.

Here is snippet of the Civilisation called Oban built by Onagar at the Western turning point. I could be near the sea of Azov. But not Atlantis


 

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Line 108: Onagar maintained headquarters on the northern shores of the ancient Mediterranean in the region of the present Caspian Sea at a settlement called Oban, the tarrying place on the westward turning of the travel trail leading up northward from the Mesopotamian southland. From Oban he sent out teachers to the remote settlements to spread his new doctrines of one Deity and his concept of the hereafter, which he called the Great Beyond. These emissaries of Onagar were the world's first missionaries; they were also the first human beings to cook meat, the first regularly to use fire in the preparation of food. They cooked flesh on the ends of sticks and also on hot stones; later on they roasted large pieces in the fire, but their descendants almost entirely reverted to the use of raw flesh.

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Intriguing. This place must be near the turning point or corner of when the Med was connected to the Caspian...Long time ago.

I wonder if we could locate that travel trail leading from Mesopotamia to the western turning point in the Western corner of the Caspian through ground penetrating radar and then locate the probable location of the city.


Sevens
 

posted 01-03-2008 10:27 AM

Hi Batty Ole Ishtar

I agree with you with Mesopotamia being the origins of civilisation. But I feel long ago Mesopotamia was located further South as well because of lower sea levels. From what I see I feel this location could be the first place of mans origins as in the first place of the Gods

http://dalamatiacity.com/persian_gulf/dalamatia1_thumb.jpg

and this

http://dalamatiacity.com/persian/persian_gulf38_thumb.jpg

The location also seems to be consistent with the Urantia Book location and fulfills the description as provided in the book. The demise of the city seem to link with the destruction of Atlantis.

It seems even more intriguing that the Description of Atlantis proper fulfills the location of Dilmun to the North in Elam where 1st and 2nd Babel was built in Dilmun

http://dalamatiacity.com/dilmun/babel_colour_thumb.jpg

and

http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/pages/babel_foundations5_jpg.htm

From what I understand Dilmun adopted all the first place legends throughout the ages. However the description of Atlantis, the city seems to be consistent with Dilmun to the North

Atlantis City seems to fit the description of Dilmun of the North built 150,000 thousand years ago and we know the Atlantis legend came from this place being also built by the fallen Sons of God civilisation, the Nodites. I believe this Dilmun to the North was destroyed around 10,000-12000 years ago where many of them migrated to Egypt over a long time in progressive waves and brought the Atlantis Story with them which is a description of there lost city Dilmun in the North and reflective in many ways to the very first City Dalamatia City. This is how the Egyptians have the ancient story of Atlantis.

Mind you, I believe The Urantia Book is a book written by the Gods so to speak and given to man because of all the confusion we have on this planet. Its a book that can be verified as demonstrated and the authors knew all about Atlantis as many of them where born there through the Sons of God before the first default occurred in the first city, as in the primary midwayers. These places are the products of Sagas long ago which are recorded in the Bible in snippets and fragments.

I believe the Urantia Book sets the record straight about Atlantis or the first places of the Gods and is complimented by all the books of religion. Atlantis (so to speak) has still purpose in this current planetary climate and this will be demonstrated and used for the purpose of man and his future destiny.

Atlantis today is still a civilisation builder and will be used to enhance our current civilisation and was foreseen as in prophecy.

I feel Aden and its coast to the North was also populated by the Ad who originated from Dilmun of the South near the heads of the Persian Gulf, built right after the fall of the first place 200,000 years ago, there was two Dilmuns. Two cities with the same name over time, Dilmun to the South built 200,000 years ago and Dilmun to the North (relocated) built 150,000 years ago in there new city Dilmun or Dilmun to the North to make the distinction.

Here is the fragment I am resting on

 

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After the submergence of Dalamatia the Nodites moved north and east, presently founding the new city of Dilmun as their racial and cultural headquarters. And about fifty thousand years after the death of Nod, when the offspring of the Prince's staff had become too numerous to find subsistence in the lands immediately surrounding their new city of Dilmun, and after they had reached out to intermarry with the Andonite and Sangik tribes adjoining their borders, it occurred to their leaders that something should be done to preserve their racial unity. Accordingly a council of the tribes was called, and after much deliberation the plan of Bablot, a descendant of Nod, was indorsed.

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and here is a fragment that highlights the errors of the Sons of God and a little reflection back to the little Paradise on earth the first place where the default began.

 

quote:

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Sin was ritual, not rational; an act, not a thought. And this entire concept of sin was fostered by the lingering traditions of Dilmun and the days of a little paradise on earth. The tradition of Adam and the Garden of Eden also lent substance to the dream of a onetime "golden age" of the dawn of the races. And all this confirmed the ideas later expressed in the belief that man had his origin in a special creation, that he started his career in perfection, and that transgression of the taboos--sin--brought him down to his later sorry plight.

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Like the story of Atlantis and the default where the Gods degraded into animals so to speak.

and here is the connection of Dalamatia located near the first Dilmun near the heads of the Persian Gulf 200,000 years ago and the Egyptian/Dilmun connection and the mention of the two Dilmuns.

 

quote:

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line 96: The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun. The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life." And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.

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Here is where I think Dilmun built to the East of Dalamatia near the heads of the Persian Gulf 200,000 years ago, near here somewhere.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/DilmunHeadwater/dilmunEast3.htm

Dalamatia City beside the sea, the first place of civilisation began 500,000 years by the Sons of God when all sang in joy and was in operation in harmony for 300,000 years but soon after the first default of the Sons of God, the city was destroyed by sudden land submergence and a tidal wave 200,000 years ago. It must of been on a higher elevation. The fact that Oil and gas exists in these areas is only proof of major submergence which confirms the record.

Here is another interesting fragment

quote:

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And all this explains how the Sumerians appeared so suddenly and mysteriously on the stage of action in Mesopotamia. Investigators will never be able to trace out and follow these tribes back to the beginning of the Sumerians, who had their origin two hundred thousand years ago after the submergence of Dalamatia. Without a trace of origin elsewhere in the world, these ancient tribes suddenly loom upon the horizon of civilization with a full-grown and superior culture, embracing temples, metalwork, agriculture, animals, pottery, weaving, commercial law, civil codes, religious ceremonial, and an old system of writing. At the beginning of the historical era they had long since lost the alphabet of Dalamatia, having adopted the peculiar writing system originating in Dilmun. The Sumerian language, though virtually lost to the world, was not Semitic; it had much in common with the so-called Aryan tongues.

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regards
sevens

posted 01-03-2008 09:35 PM

Tyrrhenia, well doc where is it, youre talking about it all the time

Show us with some data

I mean to say we are talking about early Latin history where the very early people originated from the Med islands.

So near Rome is Atlantis

Give me a break man.

 

quote:

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Where`s Tyrrhenia in all that

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Well near Rome, thats where it is. What are you talking about when you associate this place to Atlantis.

Tyrrhenia is not Atlantis, not at all.

Come on Doc you have come up with something a bit better than that.

So far in my view the Persian Gulf, Mesopotamia and all other associated areas like Aden wins hands down.

Atlantis in Spain or in the Atlantis is sunk, there is no credibility nor evidence. Nothing! sorry there is nothing that cant be properly explained.


Sevens

posted 01-04-2008 12:24 AM

Whats this connection of Tyrrhenia to Atlantis.

Its just a place in Italy, what has that got to do with Plato's description of Atlantis

Makes no sense.

Your up the wrong tree. The Persian Gulf fits better than you're ideas and there has been ancient activities around there more so than Italy or Spain. You're on this denial trip with nothing to offer.

You cant even convince me to see it in your way which is no way in circles. You got nothing! Sorry.

The Andites or the Ad in there migration of their culture and ideas came from the East to West and subdued all the inhabitants where ever they went and that includes the region your talking about.

The Ad whilst advanced where heavy rulers. The Persian Gulf and what is written about it in ancient times fits the description of the Persian Gulf. Also consider Plato is only 600BC who knows how the record was distorted to suit the local people and environment.

You have to look in all the books especially of religion not just one record if you want to find Atlantis proper, as in the home of the Gods or Sons of God, the first place. Atlantis as the first place built by the Sons of God is definitely not Italy.


sevens
 

 Posted - 04 January 2008 :  00:16:02

Dalamatia City

The First Place of Civilization built by the Sons of God 500,000 years ago and was destroyed 200,000 years ago through sudden land submergence and a tidal wave.

The anomalies does fit the description of the City that we know of and what led me to the great discovery.

This would be the greatest breakthrough ever in the history of Archeology and will change all our knowledge of History and expand religion.

Truly a time for revealing.

This also will prove the case of God and whether does God exist indirectly just by the source that led to the great discovery.

All brought about a book that was written in the hand of God and given to man and the discovery in the images does prove the case. This discovery of the first places is where there is still unfinished business and the place is steeped in prophecy and is associated with the destiny of mankind. Very similar to first Eden, they are one of each other.

I would get prepared for some changes as foreseen by all the prophets of Old.

This project is brought to you by religion in reply to unbelief and adds power to religion in the current climate but in a wider, deeper and better way. Rather than what we have today which is nothing much to be honest, Religion today is impotent and is just a social organisation an arm of government.

The unfolding of prophecy associated with this city will smash all false doctrine and particularly that doctrine that drives terrorism.

The outcome in discovery of this City and its revealing itself and will change everything and it will come to pass.

Anyone want to go out there and bring together the worlds greatest presentation and change history, science and religion just like that?

Write to me.

Enjoy the gates, No one gets to Dalamatia City without going through the Seven gates of truth, its the filter of poor attitude and man has to work to get to the city, if you want to go to the city you have to find it, like the great pearl of great price found in a field through faith.

persian_gulf/index.htm

All the best

Sevens

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
(Daniel 9:24 KJV)

 Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:32 am

Its all pretty insane and unstable.

That must be a hard life only knowing what you can feel and touch with without much thereafter and in light of worldwide praise.


Its hard to judge an individual when the whole world is on a similar trip, I think making examples of individuals is not much better than burning them at the stake without any thought of compassion. You cant burn people who you do not know and turn the scriptures against them, its not right and its not fair especially when she cant defend herself, they will simply not believe you in there defensiveness, fruitless exercise. She simply wouldn't accept your position and would not look into the matter. How would she know the truth if no one has presented her with it in full light using everything, not dogma?

Jesus never did that to individuals who were in spiritual trouble, he never condemned Mary Magdalene for being a prostitute he only saved her life and showed her that there was a better way.

He who is without sin cast the first stone. We got to remember that, then again I get upset with Bin Laden myself and I have judged him myself so I to are guilty of my own words to. Yeah but his fruits are not good fruits. But then I cant judge its up to the Ancients of Days. For man in judging each other is no win situation I have to remind myself of this all the time. The easiest thing to do is judge in accordance to our self styled holier than thou position! That's why Jesus reminds us not to judge to prevent us entering in the Holier than thou attitude which is full of pride, prejudice, condemnation and ridicule. I see it all the time with other religions.   To be honest I am guilty of that to and I have to corrected as well.

I would like to do a presentation to her of my project. I feel Britney would love to be involved in this exploration and discovery journey. I reckon she would connect to something like this and it would purely from a spiritual experience prospective. I just feel the girl is so confused in the current world she lives in that she needs a helping hand in to the truth of the matter.

Condemnation of Britney and using her as an example will not achieve a thing and only add extra confusion that will lead to no where and will not help her to the path of truth and enlightenment.

Hey has anyone got her managers email address. III write to her and see if she wants to get involved in the journey to "Heritages of the Ages" and become part of the Annals of Paradise! in the greatest breakthrough for religion in the most wide and deeper sense where all are welcome as there is no exclusivity with this journey to the first places, anyone can participate.

Lets see the response, Eh!


Sevens

posted 01-04-2008 08:11 PM

hanebu, I wonder if the hanebu is related to Hibiru or the THE IBERI CONNECTION these people could part of the lost tribes of Israel??

Here is a link that could be interesting and could relate to origins of the sea peoples and open up a new thread of research and understanding.

http://www.world-destiny.org/mair22.htm

and

http://www.world-destiny.org/mair24.htm

Sevens

posted 01-07-2008 05:55 PM

atalante

All the best in your efforts, I really respect your moves to try and help man out in your wisdom.

I would vote for you if I could.

By the way see if you can the new pres to check out the ancient city in the Persian Gulf. It might be a eye opener and relevant to the general path of the planet

In any case all the best in your efforts

sevens

Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:07 am

Hi Petra and Sampson

Thanks Petra for taking the time in the above post.

All I can say from my own experience the relationship with Jesus is far above rules and regulation. Its a friendship with great friendliness. Just the other day my Father asked me if I was fearful looking at after death. I say no with out another thought, it seems to me that all the fear is gone and is nothing but love and working together for the greater good. I suppose it been the personal experience in the walk with the Father and the witness of all the major and minor discoveries in the books of the Father that has really consolidated our friendship and relationship.

Its just a personal walk with openness in heart and full of blessing for the Father and for man. I'm really happy with the fruit of this adventure and I feel closer than ever before with the Father in the personal walk. We are real friends even in the most simplistic child like way. I praise him all the time especially when I read over things and see his beautiful knowledge shine with real connection.

I suppose my church is the books and the relationship and closeness with The Father and Jesus and all the Angels. Its good fruit.

Its the oneness in the experience that is just so beautiful.

I'm not one for dogma or into certain so called methods to enter into the kingdom of Heaven, I find them more man made methodology based on Paul's thought at the time, in his own perception of which has been expanded in various directions today. But Jesus is the way with his teachings, there is no doubt about that and his love and spirit should be the thing we should all have in common rather than difference in ideas and divisional thoughts in doctrine. I just walk with the lord wanting to do a good job for him in any situation every day.

Also I have appreciated all the books of religion more so than ever before. I really love the prophets of old in the Old Testament, they where really fantastic blokes who where also in the walk with the Father and could see beyond and forward of themselves with the help of the Father. I can see much of what they spoke is realizing itself, in of itself today in the journey.

Praise the Father in the "Kingdom of Heaven" and within ourselves through the Holy Spirit.

I can see that The Father, Jesus and all the angels are really good friends and we love and care for each other as best mates or friends. Jesus is definitely my best friend. For sure, no doubt it!

One thing that we should do is keep the commandments, like Petra said, even though I'm not perfect I consciously try to avoid trouble or situations that may lead to a downfall. It can be hard in some cases but I know its for my own good. I have fallen and stumbled in my life and what a horrible feeling that is and it can last for years, the effects.

Never want to fall like that again but Jesus, the Father and angels were with me in the whole experience and where faithful to me and never let me go in the journey. It was in this journey that helped me greatly to over come my depression about my stupid mistakes even though I do have some spiritual regrets. But Oh well! all you can do is move on in the Lord and he will help you, most true...thanks Lord! Mate!

All the best

Sevens

Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:24 am

Hi

Absolutely 100% and doing the will of the Father which is individual which would be a be natural response of Faith and its teaching...I suppose! I say works would follow true faith and the fruit would be evident and is reflective of the motivation as that would be related to the inner person.

Remembering some works are not acceptable in Jesus words even in light of proclamation. Sounds like a fine line to me.

Doing the will of the Father would be works based on Faith!

Sevens

Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:50 am

Hi

Which type of works do you think would be unacceptable to the Lord? What works would it encompass?

I'm really interested in finding clear definition and learning something. Is it works with wrong motive?? Like it could be any work but if the motive is not right it would be unacceptable.

all the best
Sevens

posted 01-07-2008 09:17 PM

No worries.

2500BC Atlantis in Russia. Sounds fascinating, you got a link, that would be good to check out.

Who knows what the Gulf or anything looked like 150,000 years ago. I don't know now do you? Do you know with Data! not words.

Actually Dilmun to the East at the Persian heads has a few mountains there. Actually fits the description to a degree and the Atlantis story which migrated with the people from the Dilmuns to Egypt seems to be reflected in the design of Dilmun to the North with all its elevated canals from the sea that led to Babel. The great commercial centre which Atlantis was.

You can see it in the images, its not just words and bull. Its real, using science, data and the all the words of old.

beat that one, you cant! I know you cant!

Yeah man right on target! and not living in past glory's but in today's reality heading to the glories of the revealing of all the ancient places that are unfolding. Guided by a new Book of truth as prophesied in revelations in conjunction with the opening of ALL the books to a fine and grand discovery for all the families of the world. That's what this journey is for The Family in the greatest and true adventure that man has ever beheld.  Not for self vain gloriousness laced with pride and prejudice.

ahahahahahahahahahah I cant help myself! I'm laughing all the way to the great adventure.

I am on track!

sevens

Member
Member # 3037

  posted 01-08-2008 10:46 AM

Is the 0011 bit, binary code or something,

Is there an encrypted message behind the whatever it is.

 

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Your pail holds about as much water as Sarmast does.

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Actually least he has a pail and a record of results a vast difference with your waffle with absolutely no results at all and nothing going on by what I read.

Actually in the future their will another expedition to 1Eden but the emphasis will be on the 3 co planar circles on top of the Acropolis, the 3 co planar circles do connect to Dalamatia City.

Its the oneness that you will never understand nor see the light of and that's because of your self centeredness.

Since I have known you Riven there has 2 expeditions, 5 ancient cities have been located in the images using scientific software. Now there is a drive to Dalamatia City and a proposed 3rd expedition to 1st Eden.

And yet in all your talk there has been no results....Nothing...even with the other Atlantis crew. We might be UB and the Bible led but least we go out there to find truth and doing it and living it in all levels.


sevens
 

posted 01-08-2008 11:09 AM

Riven

I believe this will be the agenda.

Jesus will first bring enlightenment through the places verifying the record.

After that Jesus will actually come and take the elect and the faithful. This will happen through a flash of brilliant light that envelope the planet in a flash experience. The elect will just disappear. I know this flash as a friend and myself experienced this flash experience in Bible college when I was 20 years old...a long time ago. It was truly a pheonomena that I never understood then but I know what the flash means today.

The remnant who had no belief will be left to think about things. This will also highlight the greatest failure of man and failure to listen to his religion in truth. Believe me man will fail and he will fail to do so. Most men think between their legs and how to fill his gut and not to mention his stupid power over others.

Wormwood comes, the Super comet which comes out of no where and smashes into the planet, the results being the destruction of the Babylon system. Man will have no time to prepare because he never listened in the first place.

If that is the case there will be billions killed.

Therefore the ancient places, the beginning and the end is really a life boat or an ark.

The ancient first places are of the most importance and is really all about survival. Not about glory but survival.

And that is about it in summary and it is all backed by the new Book UB and particularly in Johns record and of the prophets of old.

Jesus brings enlightenment and The Father brings the Rod which is Wormwood the super comet and smashes this planet to pieces.  But there is a salvable plan ready to go and its called the rapture or Evacuation organized by the Father and Jesus and that's in the UB and in Johns revelation record not to mention all the other books that are opened.

The saddest part is look around you, look at everything with appreciation because one day it will be all gone in the fiery temper of Wormwood, the Super comet and not many will survive because man the idiot spurned and scorned the messages in the beforehand and failed to listen and act!

That is precisely why Jesus will be the Saviour of this planet, he is the path to survival and he left ample evidence for us in faith, discovery and in the verification of the record or in the report.

sevens

posted 01-11-2008 04:03 PM

dont worry about it.

I was negative last night , I was overboard, I had a stupid battle going on somewhere else. I took out a whole years of posts, not from here but from a UB site of all sites.

The main man couldn't stand me and the research and continually provoked purposely only to ban me. You know, I create the problem because I know he will react and then I will implement the solution. The typical tactic of provocation from a Nodite in spirit.  Just cruel hearted man with nothing going on from within.

In reaction I slashed and burned a years posts not leaving any pearls. It was like giving pearls to certain people that would just crush them in their own pride and prejudice.

Oh well nothing new.

Ah personally I think the forum days are over for me. Its just posts all the time and not getting closer and using up too much time.

All I know there are lost cities in the images and some info to boot. I cant do anything except work on the info on the site and see where it goes from there.

Least I gave it a good shot for what I thought was truth in the most realistic way using all knowledge.

you're right

sevens

[ 01-11-2008, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

posted 01-11-2008 04:20 PM

quote:

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..and, like I just said above (and you're confirming it now!) in order to bring in something new you first have to get rid of the old stuff...

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Ahh, I like that one, how true to the scenario and realistic in the action.

Yes I did fall in the trap of action/reaction/delete its the same ol'e story everywhere despite what people claim about their religion.

By their fruits mate they will be known. Thats for sure.

When they claim I'm a UB guy or a Christian just note they are all the same in their judgments and still act ruthlessly and say terrible things despite their religion.

Sevens

posted 01-11-2008 04:35 PM

Yes a reality that man formed for himself and is part of his genes in reaction,

Its the reality of how man works in his realm of power.

I dont think reality is a trap but it is severely warped by man in his pride and prejudice.

You're right about emotions and its core and intellect can adjust that. Where I thought spirit could adjust that.

I just think its a cruel hard world, the whole lot and there is virtually no love anywhere, its all about what's in it for me and what can I get out of it or does it suit my crap.

Unconditionality, bringing forth seems like a rare thing these days.

All I did was express my thoughts from a simple search that began many years ago and i thought man could benefit from this. But it appears much of it was in Vain.

In essence concerning the ancient places I'm sorry to date, it is a failure and anyone that was involved in the past have jumped ship long ago only to leave the project of truth Failed.

I was the last person standing regarding all these places.

Jesus and I have something directly in common here.

quote:

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As you so well know the trails to Phenix, having traversed them many times, so do I well know the way to the city of your disappointed hopes and thwarted ambitions. And since you have asked me for help, I will not disappoint you."

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The above comes from one of the most beautiful stories of Jesus in the Ub and that above is truly the case in my case.

I'm withdrawing back within the gates of the City. It is a City a disappointment now and in the past.



sevens

posted 01-11-2008 04:51 PM  
Absolutely true, at the moment my mind is a bit numb.

I don't know what will happen to the Sevenfold operation as it were!

Its all in the angels hands as far as I'm concerned.

I cant do anything about it at this time. Its all in disarray like my life and that's because it has taken to much time. Although, I have personally enjoyed the overall experience apart from the usual man setbacks.

Sevens

posted 01-11-2008 04:54 PM

Thanks wirelessguru1

For your kind words of wisdom I really appreciate it. There is many things I have think upon.

Its a time for revaluation in the journey.

thanks again
sevens

posted 01-11-2008 05:01 PM

Thanks bro, I will try to connect with the higher self and bring about a more positive view point.

You know what was bizarre, whilst this process was going on at this forum last night. The only support I got on a post was from a Muslim/Islamic women. I couldn't believe it. The only person to give spiritual savor was an Islamic lady. The others were like burn him to the stake attitude.

I thought that was amazing.

I also gave the end time forum a rest to, I must say the Christians were kind to me to let me post up on their forum even when its was trying. They did live up to expectation. In the end I was conversing with a few and they where starting to see my thoughts and construct. They were OK I have nothing bad to say about the people in the End time forums apart from the fact they really go to town debating amongst themselves.

But the truthbook.com even though there a good brothers there and where most of them have also abandoned the forum. It was the most disappointing and crushing experience, particularly when burning all the good posts that was a years worth. I had no choice, they pushed me out, I leave, I take my pearls. They wouldn't delete my posts after a respectful requests hoping that I would leave them their without the person so I slashed and burned them.

UB people think they are a cut above the rest in their own pride and prejudice but they are just like everyone else and still have the usual worldly propensity if they cant understand something or it doesn't suit them. Get rid of it without exploring.

They are no different to anyone else but on another side of the fence of religion.


sevens

posted 01-11-2008 05:28 PM

Well you could say I'm an definite outcast of the UB fellowship and the only place I have to express myself freely is on Riven thread off all peoples threads.

All my other threads forget about it, its only you that responds, we might as well be here to converse and go through things.

Well my first converse was with Riven, I suppose it only makes sense

I think that is a laugh though. The first and last or the beginning and the end.

sevens

posted 01-12-2008 02:50 AM

thanks riven, you're right.
sevens

posted 01-13-2008 08:20 PM  Sri Lanka connections

Actually from what I read that after the deluge of the Med a group from east of Libya area migrated from That part of the world and actually ended up in Sri Lanka.

I wonder if there are myths and fables indigenous to the area may hold reflections of this record? Im talking after 15,000 years ago towards our timeline.

Also I wonder if there are reflections in the DNA or even in the skull types that are unique in the area or have a particular look within the native Sri Lankans that which maybe reflective of these earlier refugees after the Med Deluge around the east of the Sahara Plateau.

Maybe there are some clues into the religion of a people who hailed from somewhere else from the destruction of the land of the Gods through a flood who came from another places and decided to live in Sri Lanka of after 34,0000 years ago.

Here are perhaps some clues.


Paper 80 The Urantia Book

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper80.html

Here is general time period and the state of geological play of the Mediterranean at 34,000 years ago after which climate and geological changes forces migration even to Sri Lanka.

Before the last Andites were driven out of the Euphrates valley, many of their brethren had entered Europe as adventurers, teachers, traders, and warriors. During the earlier days of the violet race the Mediterranean trough was protected by the Gibraltar isthmus and the Sicilian land bridge. Some of man's very early maritime commerce was established on these inland lakes, where blue men from the north and the Saharans from the south met Nodites and Adamites from the east.

quote:

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Slowly these migrating sons of Eden united with the higher types of the blue race , invigorating their cultural practices while ruthlessly exterminating the lingering strains of Neanderthal stock. This technique of race blending, combined with the elimination of inferior strains, produced a dozen or more virile and progressive groups of superior blue men, one of which you have denominated the Cro-Magnons.

For these and other reasons, not the least of which was more favorable paths of migration, the early waves of Mesopotamian culture made their way almost exclusively to Europe. And it was these circumstances that determined the antecedents of modern European civilization.

2. CLIMATIC AND GEOLOGIC CHANGES

The early expansion of the violet race into Europe was cut short by certain rather sudden climatic and geologic changes. With the retreat of the northern ice fields the water-laden winds from the west shifted to the north, gradually turning the great open pasture regions of Sahara into a barren desert. This drought dispersed the smaller-statured brunets, dark-eyed but long-headed dwellers of the great Sahara plateau.

line 48: The purer indigo elements moved southward to the forests of central Africa, where they have ever since remained. The more mixed groups spread out in three directions: The superior tribes to the west migrated to Spain and thence to adjacent parts of Europe, forming the nucleus of the later Mediterranean long-headed brunet races. The least progressive division to the east of the Sahara plateau migrated to Arabia and thence through northern Mesopotamia and India to faraway Ceylon. The central group moved north and east to the Nile valley and into Palestine.

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The Sahara Plateau and some reflections of one of this described group, it reflections of the Saharan group

http://www.workmall.com/wfb2001/algeria/algeria_history_prehistory_of_central_north_africa.html

Earlier inhabitants of the central Maghrib have left behind equally significant remains. Early remnants of hominid occupation in North Africa, for example, were found in Ain el Hanech, near Saïda (ca. 200,000 B.C.). Later, Neanderthal tool makers produced hand axes in the Levalloisian and Mousterian styles (ca. 43,000 B.C.) similar to those in the Levant. According to some sources, North Africa was the site of the highest state of development of Middle Paleolithic flake-tool techniques. Tools of this era, starting about 30,000 B.C., are called Aterian (after the site Bir el Ater, south of Annaba) and are marked by a high standard of workmanship, great variety, and specialization.

The earliest blade industries in North Africa are called Ibero-Maurusian or Oranian (after a site near Oran). The industry appears to have spread throughout the coastal regions of the Maghrib between 15,000 and 10,000 B.C. Between about 9000 and 5000 B.C., the Capsian culture began influencing the IberoMaurusian , and after about 3000 B.C. the remains of just one human type can be found throughout the region. Neolithic civilization (marked by animal domestication and subsistence agriculture) developed in the Saharan and Mediterranean Maghrib between 6000 and 2000 B.C. This type of economy, so richly depicted in the Tassili-n-Ajjer cave paintings, predominated in the Maghrib until the classical period.

"The industry appears to have spread throughout the coastal regions of the Maghrib between 15,000 and 10,000 B.C. Between about 9000 and 5000 B.C.,"

The above quote seems to reflect the migrations of these later peoples

Here is an image of the East of the Saharan Plateau

http://www.peakbagger.com/map/r64.gif

Link

Looks like the early fathers of the Ethiopians, the Sudanese and the Southern Egyptians or the Andite tribes in Arabia close to Eastern Saharan Plateau could be the group that traveled to Sri Lanka.  Narrowing it down!

Here is a link about the Sahara.

http://www.swindsor.k12.ct.us/Schools/tems/teachers/swierczynski/basic_facts_sahara.htm

The limits of the Sahara Desert are the Atlantic Ocean on the West, the Atlas Mountains. and the Mediterranean Sea in the North. The Red Sea and Egypt on the East, and the Sudan and the valley of the Niger River. in the South. The boundaries, however, are not clearly defined, and have been shifting for a thousand years. The Sahara was once a fertile area; millet and other grains were cultivated there over 8000 years ago. As conditions progressively became drier, however, and desertification set in, farmers abandoned their land.

and

The valley of the Nile River and the mountainous area of the Nubian Desert to the East of the Nile are geographically, part of the Sahara. However, the irrigation afforded by the Nile transforms the desert into fertile agricultural land throughout much of Egypt.

 

Here is another confirmation

Ancient humans 'followed rains

The Eastern Sahara covers an area the size of Western Europe

The Eastern Sahara, which covers more than 2 million sq km, an area the size of Western Europe, is now almost uninhabited by people or animals, providing a unique window into the past.

The settlers left their mark with art

Dr Kropelin and colleague Dr Rudolph Kuper pieced together the 10,000-year jigsaw of human migration and settlement; studying more than 100 archaeological sites over the course of 30 years.

In the largest study of its kind, they built up a detailed picture of human evolution in the world's largest desert. They found that far from the inhospitable climate of today, the area was once semi-humid.

Between about 14,000 and 13,000 years ago, the area was very dry. But a drastic switch in environmental conditions some 10,500 years ago brought rain and monsoon-like conditions.

Nomadic human settlers moved in from the south, taking up residence beside rivers and lakes. They were hunter-gatherers at first, living off plants and wild game.

Eventually they became more settled, domesticating cattle for the first time, and making intricate pottery.

Neolithic farmers

Humid conditions prevailed until about 6,000 years ago, when the Sahara abruptly dried out. There was then a gradual exodus of people to the Nile Valley and other parts of the African continent.

The domestication of cattle was invented in the Sahara in the humid phase and was then slowly pushed over the rest of Africa   Dr Stefan Kropelin of the University of Cologne

"The Nile Valley was almost devoid of settlement until about exactly the time that the Egyptian Sahara was so dry people could not live there anymore," Dr Kropelin told the BBC News website.

"People preferred to live on savannah land. Only when this wasn't possible they migrated towards southern Sudan and the Nile.

"They brought all their know-how to the rest of the continent - the domestication of cattle was invented in the Sahara in the humid phase and was then slowly pushed over the rest of Africa.

"This Neolithic way of life, which still is a way of life in a sense; preservation of food for the dry season and many other such cultural elements, was introduced to central and southern Africa from the Sahara."

'Motor of evolution'

Dr Kuper said the distribution of people and languages, which is so politically important today, has its roots in the desiccation of the Sahara.

The switch in environmental conditions acted as a "motor of Africa's evolution," he said.

"It happened during these 5,000 years of the savannah that people changed from hunter-gathers to cattle keepers," he said.

"This important step in human history has been made for the first time in the African Sahara."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5192410.stm

and information about the round headed man from 9000-7000 BCE

Masked Figure. Sahara. Algeria. Archaic or Round Head style.
9000-7000 BCE

Which includes information and links to the people East of the Sahara around the time of Migration from 15,000 years ago

http://www.forumcityusa.com/viewtopic.php?p=580&sid=8adda3c1ca8e7ccc88350cfcd4ac9965&mforum=africa

Wadi Hammamat Desert People

In this part of the Eastern desert live the Ababda Bedu people.

Could the forefathers of the Ababda Bedu group be also part of the group that migrated to Sri Lanka? many thousands of years ago, after 15,000.  I must say this group look similar to some Sri Lankans.  Note the narrow headed skull types in this typical Bedu family.

and note the location, East of the Sahara Plateau

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/lankester2/page5.html

http://www.geocities.com/mangascochise/rocks2006egypt.html

The stone circles as found in Senagal and Gambia.   Are these also reflections of those earlier groups that lived in the Sahara some 15,000 years ago and reflections of the group that migrated to the South, the more indigo group and brought the culture which them which still persists today in the local people?.

http://www.forumcityusa.com/viewtopic.php?t=144&mforum=africa

And also this, taken from here http://www.forumcityusa.com/viewtopic.php?t=98&mforum=africa  further evidence of one of the groups that lived in the Sahara and migrated to the South, the more indigo group.

The Ishango Bone, said to be the oldest mathematical instrument in the world, was found in Africa's Great Lakes region. The 20,000-year-old artifact may show that Egyptians or Mesopotamians were not the first to use sophisticated mathematics.

Reference

http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/Ancient-Africa/ishango.html

fragment

The site where the Ishango Bone was found was re-dated by Alison Brooks more than a dozen years ago and found to be 25,000 years old rather than the original estimate of 8,500 years. However, the Lembombo Bone in Swaziland is still 10,000 years older, consistent with iron ore mining there going back 43,000 years ago. Proto-mathematics begins in Paleolithic Central and Southern Africa.

and more about the greener Sahara

The earliest humans in the area were Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers, who lived in the Fazzan between about 400,000 and 70,000 years ago. They survived by hunting large and small game in a landscape that was considerably wetter and greener than it is now. A prolonged arid phase from about 70,000 to 12,000 years ago apparently drove humans out of the region, but then the rains returned – along with the people.

http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/geowissenschaften/bericht-54055.html

and

Ancient town found in W Sahara 15,000 years ago

http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=5899

and

Stone Age Cemetery, Artifacts Unearthed in Sahara

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1021_051021_sahara_artifacts.html

and

Ancient Astronomy: Is Sahara 'Stonehenge' the Oldest?

Nabta is in southern Egypt near the group of the Eastern Sahara

fragment

The big stones at Nabta are from 6,000 to 6,500 years old. That's 1,000 years older than the famous Stonehenge in Wiltshire, England.

http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Earth/SaharaStonehenge.html

and this about Nabta

Although some believe the "high culture" of subsequent Egyptian dynasties was borrowed from Mesopotamia and Syria, Malville and others believe the complex and symbolic Nabta culture may have stimulated the growth of the society that eventually constructed the first pyramids along the Nile about 4,500 years ago.

"The Nabta culture may have been a trigger for the development of social complexity in Egypt that later led to the Pharaonic dynasty," he said. The Nabta project was funded primarily by the National Science Foundation.

The site also contains a wealth of cultural debris, including small, fire-blackened stones from ancient hearths built along the ancient lakeshore as well as manos, metates and carved and decorated ostrich eggshells.

Images of the project can be downloaded from the World Wide Web at http://www.colorado.edu/PublicRelations/Egypt.html.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/04/980403081524.htm

 

and a little more that might connect the Eastern Saharan group to the Sri Lankans through Bovine and Cattle DNA.  The Connection of Egypt to Sri Lanka.

http://www.ra-gotessays.com/paper/38926/gotessays/domesticaton_of_african_cattle.html

and The decreased or patchy distribution of plants can be and the lack of plants associated with this phenomenon increase the that meteorological conditions in North Africa and dry conditions that marks the area groups who never settled into the same kind life in Africa There has In these areas the remains of domesticated cattle have been that have been identified as domesticated cattle and whose center for cattle domestication in northeast Africa Wendorf Thus who argue that there is a distinct African cattle Africa unhumped taurines Bos Taurus humped zebu of cattle that developed uniquely is also known as the Eurasian cattle of African cattle One of led a great deal of confusion concerning the evolution of direct African origin What is known and most likely region of origin from western Asia into Africa is now also contradicted on both between African and Eurasian cattle occurred prior to domestication-a This is at least years prior to the first evidence found at Bir Kiseiba date Africa as also biological and genetic data indicate Garcea One of highly unlikely that Bos could exist there except cattle need to drink every day they would not have man brought them there By can be found in the billion bovines descend from the wild peer deep into history by analyzing how today\'s cattle came be analyzed by collecting blood samples and hair follicles a relatively constant pace over
 

I also want to say I have had many many nice experiences people with the Sri Lankan people and I think they are very nice and hospitable people. I find if you are respectful and kind to Sri Lankans they immediately respond with the same friendliness. Plus I like there food and I find they are attractive people.

Actually this group described could be 15,000 years ago and later when things began to change on the earth in our time past.

I wonder if the round headed man south of Libya around all the vestiges as seen in the old images is reflective of the people that migrated to Sri Lanka.

Here is another clue to the time I just read

 

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It was not uncommon during the rigors of winter for their sentinels standing on night guard at cave entrances to freeze to death. They had courage, but above all they were artists; the Adamic mixture suddenly accelerated creative imagination. The height of the blue man's art was about fifteen thousand years ago, before the days when the darker-skinned races came north from Africa through Spain.

About fifteen thousand years ago the Alpine forests were spreading extensively. The European hunters were being driven to the river valleys and to the seashores by the same climatic coercion that had turned the world's happy hunting grounds into dry and barren deserts. As the rain winds shifted to the north, the great open grazing lands of Europe became covered by forests. These great and relatively sudden climatic modifications drove the races of Europe to change from open-space hunters to herders, and in some measure to fishers and tillers of the soil.

These changes, while resulting in cultural advances, produced certain biologic retrogressions. During the previous hunting era the superior tribes had intermarried with the higher types of war captives and had unvaryingly destroyed those whom they deemed inferior. But as they commenced to establish settlements and engage in agriculture and commerce, they began to save many of the mediocre captives as slaves. And it was the progeny of these slaves that subsequently so greatly deteriorated the whole Cro-Magnon type. This retrogression of culture continued until it received a fresh impetus from the east when the final and en masse invasion of the Mesopotamians swept over Europe, quickly absorbing the Cro-Magnon type and culture and initiating the civilization of the white races.

 

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It looks like the migration began after 15,000 years ago.

Also the Adams land bridge would of been 80 meters lower than it is at a lower sea level.

I find it coincidental that the land bridge is called Adam and we are talking about Adams part progeny who beheld his genes in some groups in this study who ended up in Sri Lanka through the bridge, not unlike 1stEden and the 12 gates that protected its isthmus or its bridge.

It just seems to me that a group migrated to Sri Lanka further suggest the existence of the land bridge. That it was possible to walk to Sri Lanka.  In deduction, in light of the above information  does confirm the land bridge of Sri Lanka, Adams bridge In metaphor, I see the same reflections as what may have guided these people in there migration.  I see the same reflections as what may have guided these people in there migration, they where trying to find a suitable land mass with the same reflections of their origins in their own myths and legends at the time, perhaps. When they found Sri Lanka it had all the hallmarks of a place they previously knew about and therefore decided to call it there home. Their own Garden!

Just a thought

Here is link to Sri Lanka myths and legends, very interesting!

http://www.lankalibrary.com/myths.html

Here is a fragment that has the usual elements in reflectivity of the early inhabitants that would reflect the land of the Gods in their myths and legends. I wonder if these reflection are a reflection of the reality of those early people who migrated from around Southern Libya area closer to Egypt, bringing there myths and legends with them.
 

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"The island of Sri Lanka has been a favorite haunt of aliens, extra terrestrials, gods, devas, angels, sky dwellers, demons, deities whichever way you describe them. Our chronicles, traditions, folklore, prehistoric cave drawings, archaeological evidence and ancient traveler's' records testify that there have been strange beings living in this island from time immemorial." There were and there are Mountains, Hills, buildings and even plants with full of mysteries, power and wisdom which are beyond human understanding. 200 million years ago, geologically Sri Lanka was linked with India, Madagascar, Australia and Antarctica, in a land mass known as Gondwana. Sri Lanka separated into a land mass known as Lanka Dvipa (Island of Lanka), and part of the land submerged into the sea. According to the Ramayana epic this took place because of the misdeeds of Ravana, but this seismic happening is confirmed by modern science."

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Like sea level rising where the land bridge slowly disappears over time, another thought.

http://amolife.com/images/stories/Travelling/sri_lanka_13.jpg

Gateways in Sri Lanka

http://www.kataragama.org/research/gateways.htm

quote:

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Long before modern scientist ever dreamed of the existence of gateways between parallel universes, the ancient world already regarded Lanka or Serendip as being the Antipodes, a topsy-turvy wonderland inhabited by nagas, yakas and various other-worldly spirits. Oral traditions still current in Lanka tell of hidden gateways situated islandwide through which yogis and siddhas, including Lord Buddha and His assembly of arahats, could travel to distant places or even to other lokas or worlds in the blink of an eye, reputedly through sheer comprehension alone.

Similarly, the nagas and other fairytale spirits may some day be understood as intelligent visitors from other lokas, exactly as Sri Lankan traditions have long maintained. Even Father Adam of Christian and Islamic tradition is said to have descended from paradise to earth upon Adam’s Peak, a major focal point of sacred power or shakti in Lanka to this day

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All reflectivity within the ancient peoples of Sri Lanka.

another fragment above link

quote:

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Dr. Jung’s prophetic dream of a mysterious ‘gateway to heaven’ and its explicit association with island Lanka may not have been sheer coincidence. By the 1960’s, other scientific visionaries like Dr. Arthur C. Clarke were developing the same essential theme there in Sri Lnaka such that it is clearly identifiable in the science fiction film classic 2001: A Space Odeyssey. Subsequent writings of Dr. Clarke also suggest that he has drawn ample inspiration from oral traditions that portray Lanka as an ancient spaceport of sorts between parallel worlds

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More fragments of the reflectivity of Adam
http://www.kataragama.org/research/cosmography_downtheages.htm

 

quote:

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In the beginning, say certain Sri Lankan oral and poetic traditions, the First Man descended from the Sun and alighted upon Sri Pada—Adam's Peak. The Old Man climbed down from upon the sacred Mountain and a great multitude of descendants followed in his footsteps. Once and for all, he set an example for others by following the well-beaten jungle path laid down by the wide and gentle giants of the forest, the great elephants.

This path took him southwards along the banks of the Walawe Ganga and then east to the banks of the Menik Ganga. Here, where the great gajas or elephants rested, he planted his spear under a tree and stayed. This Gajaragama, 'the home of the elephants', is known to us today as Kataragama.

Alive and well to this day, the solar hero's undying spirit still survives in Kataragama, where even now his mysteries are openly celebrated. There they preside in subtle majesty: the inscrutable elephant-god Ganapati ('Lord of the Herd') together with his 'younger brother' Skanda Kumara, the tender prince and chief who is the Swami or Lord of Deviyange Kaele, 'the God's own Jungle'. Together the two, related as Elephant and Lion, form the gaja-singha, traditional emblem of sacerdotal authority and temporal power.

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You would be surprised at the parallel connection of the above myth to the actual Advent of Adam and Eve on the Acropolis Hill in 1stEden coming down from the Acropolis Hill to the assembled inhabitants of 1stEden proper.

Storybook Kingdom

In fact, most of the cosmographical descriptions of Taprobane or Serendib, as the island has also been known, come to us in the form of oral or' written accounts of the visits of diverse and colorful protagonists around whom a host of stories is woven. Thus, among other fabled characters said to have come to this island are such luminaries as Gautama Buddha, god Vishnu (in, His Ramavatara or Descent as God Rama), wargod Skanda-Murugan (who decided to stay), Alexander the Great in his fabled quest to see the far end of the earth), al-Khidr ('the Green Man', mysterious teacher of Moses from quranic lore), and travelling merchant-adventurers like Sinbad the Sailor and Marco Polo.

Interesting links and many connection reflections to the very ancient peoples of Sri Lanka and its own sons of Adam/Andites the ancient travelers who migrated there due to climatic and geological changes.

Adams peak in Sri Lanka

http://sripada.org/

Note the 3 concentric circles
the 3 concentric circles the universal symbol of Paradise.

http://sripada.org/sripada_footprint.gif

"In that yle is a great Mountayne and thei of the Countrey seym, that Adam and Eve wepten upon that Mount a hundred Zeer whan thai weren driven out of Paradys."

http://sripada.org/ratnasinghe.htm

In metaphor the mountain, Sri Pada is a reflection of Adam and Eve and the original Acropolis Hill of 34,000 years ago. A reflectivity and memory that has persisted through the Sons of Adam over the thousands of years.

More links

http://www.kataragama.org/research/cosmography.htm

Dionysus and Kataragama:
Parallel Mystery Cults

http://www.kataragama.org/research/dionysus.htm

Dennis means "Servant of Dionysis"

Dionysus and Shiva

http://www.kataragama.org/research/dionysus.htm#Shiva

The popular religions among Alexandrian and West Asian merchants of their day most assuredly included the cult of Dionysus or Bacchus as well. Oral traditions as well as archaeological evidence and the testimony of the Mahavamsa or Great Chronicle suggest that Kataragama had a long history as a center of cult activity even before the Christian era. It is also worth noting that both gods are depicted as appearing from over the sea. According to Sinhalese legends, god Kataragama came to Lanka as a foreigner who arrived by a stone raft (Sinhala: gal-poruwa), landed on the island's southern coast and thence walked to Kataragama where he has remained ever since.¹² This suggests that a maritime origin or formative influence—possibly from Alexandria or West Asia via Kerala—cannot be ruled out. And yet, the cult's geographical fixedness in Kataragama is one of its most persistent traits and points to an indigenous origin in remote antiquity, quite likely among the Neolithic hunter-gatherer forbears of the island's Vedda forest-dwelling people.

Certainly a reflection back to the origins through legend that does speak of the arrival of ancient peoples from another place, I am sure it takes us back to around 15,000 years where the migrants, victims of the drying out of the Sahara Plateau, due to the long ago Mediterranean deluge with shifting water bearing clouds gradually changed the landscape which drove the inhabitants throughout the world one being a group who migrated to Sri Lanka and settled there. These people were of a different look. They where different looking people who were probably revered, hence the ancient legends of Sri Lanka reflective of the progeny of the part Sons of Adam and Eve. It could very well be that the Ababda Bedu people, East of the Sahara Plateau whose forefathers did actually travel to Sri Lanka and whose features are identical to many people found in Sri Lanka.

sevens
 

posted 01-15-2008 02:04 PM                      

Here are some links that I think may point to the ultimaton

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=STZGOFBQNIPGTQFIQMFSFGGAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml

http://aimath.org/E8/mcmullen.html

http://www.math.lsa.umich.edu/~jrs/coxplane.html

I think this is great stuff.

 

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The Ultimaton from the UB

* line 33: Matter--energy--for they are but diverse manifestations of the same cosmic reality, as a universe phenomenon is inherent in the Universal Father. "In him all things consist." Matter may appear to manifest inherent energy and to exhibit self-contained powers, but the lines of gravity involved in the energies concerned in all these physical phenomena are derived from, and are dependent on, Paradise. The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.

* line 119: The power centers and their associates are much concerned in the work of transmuting the ultimaton into the circuits and revolutions of the electron. These unique beings control and compound power by their skillful manipulation of the basic units of materialized energy, the ultimatons. They are masters of energy as it circulates in this primitive state. In liaison with the physical controllers they are able to effectively control and direct energy even after it has transmuted to the electrical level, the so-called electronic stage. But their range of action is enormously curtailed when electronically organized energy swings into the whirls of the atomic systems. Upon such materialization, these energies fall under the complete grasp of the drawing power of linear gravity.

* line 141: 2. Ultimatonic rays. The assembly of energy into the minute spheres of the ultimatons occasions vibrations in the content of space which are discernible and measurable. And long before physicists ever discover the ultimaton, they will undoubtedly detect the phenomena of these rays as they shower in upon Urantia. These short and powerful rays represent the initial activity of the ultimatons
 

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and

 

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* line 134: The quantity of energy taken in or given out when electronic or other positions are shifted is always a "quantum" or some multiple thereof, but the vibratory or wavelike behavior of such units of energy is wholly determined by the dimensions of the material structures concerned. Such wavelike energy ripples are 860 times the diameters of the ultimatons, electrons, atoms, or other units thus performing. The never-ending confusion attending the observation of the wave mechanics of quantum behavior is due to the superimposition of energy waves: Two crests can combine to make a double-height crest, while a crest and a trough may combine, thus producing mutual cancellation.

* line 165: While the space charge of universal force is homogeneous and undifferentiated, the organization of evolved energy into matter entails the concentration of energy into discrete masses of definite dimensions and established weight--precise gravity reaction.

* line 170: Ultimatons do not describe orbits or whirl about in circuits within the electrons, but they do spread or cluster in accordance with their axial revolutionary velocities, thus determining the differential electronic dimensions. This same ultimatonic velocity of axial revolution also determines the negative or positive reactions of the several types of electronic units. The entire segregation and grouping of electronic matter, together with the electric differentiation of negative

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I think all of the above is the first glimpse of the ultimaton from a scientific point of view and I think knowledge about the ultimaton is where we can solve our problems on earth.

I think this is a major breakthrough

Sevens

posted 01-15-2008 04:46 P

Hi

Blame the Ub for the description but I thought there could of been a connection.

The following may sound strange.

I thought the E8 was really interesting.

Thinking about it the Ultimatons is so minute being the very fabric of matter that begins within the electron. Ultimatons are what makes up the electron.

Apparently ultimatons cluster in 3 layers, there are 3 levels of ultimatons spinning in a axial radius further towards the centre you go the faster they spin where is in the centre is infinity. Im thinking that dimensions of existence could be related somehow to these inner layers of these ultimatons spinning at super speeds which is virtually beyond matter as you go further towards the centre.

Im thinking beyond the outer layer of these ultimatons represent matter but as you go further towards the center of the ultimaton cluster you actually enter different dimensions where there layer is made up of the 2 second level within and beyond outer level. As you go towards the center you enter infinity, the paradise realm.


just a thought

wont be around for week but I feel there is more to explore here.

all the best

sevens
 

posted 01-24-2008 01:38 Am  The ultimaton and its use in dematerializing matter.

Wirtelessguru1

Ive been on the road for a week and its interesting some of the things that happen along the way as I reflect back to events and outcomes.

Ive been thinking about the 100 ultimatons that huddle/cluster to form an electron. I'm thinking that if matter is related to axial revolutions of the ultimaton then by varying the speed of the outer layer you could actually make the electron heavier and subsequently lighter in the perhaps the atomic range.

Im thinking that also that its radius could be varied by an opposing force to the Paradise pull that emanates from the center of the huddle.

Now what if under the right conditions we can vary that axial spin of the huddling ultimaton through some excitement. Perhaps through an electro magnetic force greater than gravity and alter the axial spin rate.

The greater the Axial Spin rate = a lighter ultimaton
The lesser spin rate = a heavier ultimaton.

Also note the higher the spin rate the lighter the electron becomes approaching anti matter.

To me makes sense but would have to be tested in an environment suitable for such a feat. I also think.

I wonder how that would be done? if it could be done.

If it could be done, it could be a way of dematerailizing nuclear waste but raising the spin rate of the ultimatons within its electrons, this perhaps?? makes the substance lighter electronically therefore diffusing its effects even to the point of antimatter.

Anyway its just a thought.

I wonder if the Hutchinson effect is similar to this??

The Sevens Method aaahh just joking but...

I wonder if the answer in the method of dematerialization exists in the actual structure of the universes where you have this plane of dematerializing/materializing matter? and the answer to this lays in the simple ultimaton?

Perhaps by having a string of electrons whirling in one direction we could have another string of electrons whirling around the inner string in the opposite way.

Therefore using the natural ultimaton and it energies in opposition to each other in motion but in a different plane, we could have a expansion effect, the energy and momentum between them could create this pulling effect thereby expanding the radius and perhaps the spin rate on the axial plane of each ultimaton.

I also wonder if this could be expanded Sevenfold like the plane of the time/space universes. Is what we see the answer to what lays in matter in the ultimaton, another universe within a universe.

Its interesting that the Seven super universes revolves around Paradise at its center. Like a ultimaton huddles around Paradise at its center.

Looking and observing the effects of the spin rate within the ultimaton is the source knowledge of creation, materialization and dematerialization of matter and anti matter.

I believe the UB has given us clues to this process and the variables the effect the ultimaton response and through its words and through research and application we could find the great answers to our problems in the manipulation of the ultimaton.

I really believe that Paradise wants to know these secrets for the benefit of mankind for the future world.


Anyway its just a thought.

Sevens


Sevens

posted 01-24-2008 05:37 AM                      

Puissant energy.

From The UB, the source of the ultimatons.

The clues may lay in here

PAPER 42 - ENERGY--MIND AND MATTER, Oct 19 2000

* line 73: a. Puissant energy. This is the powerful-directional, mass-movemented, mighty-tensioned, and forcible-reacting energy--gigantic energy systems set in motion by the activities of the primary force organizers. This primary or puissant energy is not at first definitely responsive to the Paradise-gravity pull though probably yielding an aggregate-mass or space-directional response to the collective group of absolute influences operative from the nether side of Paradise. When energy emerges to the level of initial response to the circular and absolute-gravity grasp of Paradise, the primary force organizers give way to the functioning of their secondary associates.

* line 74: b. Gravity energy. The now-appearing gravity-responding energy carries the potential of universe power and becomes the active ancestor of all universe matter. This secondary or gravity energy is the product of the energy elaboration resulting from the pressure-presence and the tension-trends set up by the Associate Transcendental Master Force Organizers. In response to the work of these force manipulators, space-energy rapidly passes from the puissant to the gravity stage, thus becoming directly responsive to the circular grasp of Paradise (absolute) gravity while disclosing a certain potential for sensitivity to the linear-gravity pull inherent in the soon appearing material mass of the electronic and the postelectronic stages of energy and matter. Upon the appearance of gravity response, the Associate Master Force Organizers may retire from the energy cyclones of space provided the Universe Power Directors are assignable to that field of action.

* line 75: We are quite uncertain regarding the exact causes of the early stages of force evolution, but we recognize the intelligent action of the Ultimate in both levels of emergent-energy manifestation. Puissant and gravity energies, when regarded collectively, are spoken of on Uversa as ULTIMATA.

* line 124: When subjected to the heat and pressure of certain internal solar states, all but the most primitive associations of matter may be broken up. Heat can thus largely overcome gravity stability. But no known solar heat or pressure can convert ultimatons back into puissant energy.

* line 167: Ultimatons function by mutual attraction, responding only to the circular Paradise-gravity pull. Without linear-gravity response they are thus held in the universal space drift. Ultimatons are capable of accelerating revolutionary velocity to the point of partial antigravity behavior, but they cannot, independent of force organizers or power directors, attain the critical escape velocity of deindividuation, return to the puissant-energy stage. In nature, ultimatons escape the status of physical existence only when participating in the terminal disruption of a cooled-off and dying sun.

PAPER 29 - THE UNIVERSE POWER DIRECTORS, Oct 19 2000

* line 170: Primary Master Force Organizers are the manipulators of the primordial or basic space-forces of the Unqualified Absolute; they are nebulae creators. They are the living instigators of the energy cyclones of space and the early organizers and directionizers of these gigantic manifestations. These force organizers transmute primordial force (pre-energy not responsive to direct Paradise gravity) into primary or puissant energy, energy transmuting from the exclusive grasp of the Unqualified Absolute to the gravity grasp of the Isle of Paradise. They are thereupon succeeded by the associate force organizers, who continue the process of energy transmutation from the primary through the secondary or gravity-energy stage.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=puissant&submit=Submit

Here is the clue

 

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Ultimatons are capable of accelerating revolutionary velocity to the point of partial antigravity behavior , but they cannot, independent of force organizers or power directors, attain the critical escape velocity of deindividuation, return to the puissant-energy stage. In nature, ultimatons escape the status of physical existence only when participating in the terminal disruption of a cooled-off and dying sun.

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You would have to have a small environment of a cooling sun or dying sun to perhaps see an effect.

 

and this one

 

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4. Universe power. Space-force has been changed into space-energy and thence into the energy of gravity control. Thus has physical energy been ripened to that point where it can be directed into channels of power and made to serve the manifold purposes of the universe Creators. This work is carried on by the versatile directors, centers, and controllers of physical energy in the grand universe--the organized and inhabited creations. These Universe Power Directors assume the more or less complete control of twenty-one of the thirty phases of energy constituting the present energy system of the seven superuniverses. This domain of power-energy-matter is the realm of the intelligent activities of the Sevenfold, functioning under the time-space overcontrol of the Supreme.

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Note the Sevenfold Activities

and this one

regarding how the Kingdom of Heaven using this techniques of force manipulation into different realms, like the angelic realm and its connection to time/space and matter. Looks like speeding up the revolutions of the ultimatons is the key to matter transmutation.

 

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5. Havona energy. In concept this narrative has been moving Paradiseward as transmuting space-force has been followed, level by level, to the working level of the energy-power of the universes of time and space. Continuing Paradiseward, there is next encountered a pre-existent phase of energy which is characteristic of the central universe. Here the evolutionary cycle seems to
Page 471 turn back upon itself; energy-power now seems to begin to swing back towards force, but force of a nature very unlike that of space potency and primordial force. Havona energy systems are not dual; they are triune. This is the existential energy domain of the Conjoint Actor, functioning in behalf of the Paradise Trinity.

On Uversa these energies of Havona are known as TRIATA

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Note how the clusters of ultimatons are attracted to Paradise which is at the center of the huddle. Its the same principle as in the construct of huge universe. It all a oneness!

Sevens

posted 01-24-2008 04:10 PM

Hi Wirelessguru

An ultimaton must be an sub electronic particle that rotates in a axial direction, a group of 100 huddle together to form an electron which whirls around the Atom.

At the centre of the electron is Paradise, Paradise has a pulling effect to the ultimaton when in a matter state or when the axial revolutions of a ultimaton slow down and forms a huddle around the inner core of the electron/Paradise.

The primordial state of the ultimaton is puissant energy which floats around in Space when the revolutions of the ultimaton slow down they are influenced by the Paradise influence. The ultimaton becomes matter and attracts other ultimatons of similar state to form the electron responsive to the Paradise influence of attraction. I wonder if Paradise in the center of the electron is really Gravity.

That's the best I can do from what I read regarding the definition of the ultimaton.

I hope it makes sense, all this would have to be verified in a lab and should be pursued by scientists.

To be honest I'm using my imagination to visualize the ultimaton and its construct based on the words.

I personally think this would be a good study for physicists. Assuming the construct in faith and applying methods to prove their existence.

I believe the Kingdom of Heaven or the other multidimensional worlds use the technique of altering the rotation of the ultimaton to dematerialize matter and materialize matter as many humans have witnessed in so called miracles.

For example some of the floating UFOs in Roswell are the effects of ultimatons speed up within the structure of the UFOs in controlled fashion to counter the effect of gravity. I believe the UFOs also have the ability to enter different dimensions using this accelerating spin effect on the craft itself and the unique metals used in the UFOs are the effect and by product of this effect/technique. That's why they can go in and out of their eyesight and can change directions in a 90 degree fashion in an instant. But they do leave a infra red signature.

Perhaps the guys in the UFOs, to maintain there own structural integrity are protected by a inner layer/shield that maintains the axial revolutions of its own matter/ultimatons used for protection from this process. Like a bubble shield within a partial anti matter exterior that you cant see through when in operation.

Also when Jesus made wine from water, it was like the ultimatons axial radius was sped up to match the revolutions of the ultimatons that make up a certain Red wine. Like a speeding up of the ultimatons accelerated over time, like in an instant.

Every substance whatever it is would have its existence related to a particular ultimaton spin within its own electron and which can be manipulated by accelerated time.

That's is the same process of which Jesus bones where dissolved from within his embalming. Accelerated time and ultimaton spin sped up to dematerialize Jesus' bones. Again in an instant!

What I'm saying that if man could perfect this technique we could solve our nuclear waste problems through a dematerialized effect and the manipulation of time. Like 300,000 years of decay made in a instant due to the ultimaton accelerated spin.

The verification of this would mean a new realm of spiritual science both linking the spiritual and the physical working together for a common good goal in a very practical way.

The first step would be to actually discover the ultimaton and learn how to speed up and slow down its axial spin and then to observe its anti matter behavior and then learn how to apply that to heavy metals and make them lighter in an instant.

E8 seem to have all the characteristics of the ultimaton and its own various dimensions as you journey to the center of the electron.

I hope that one makes sense


sevens
 

posted 01-24-2008 05:45 PM

Hey Riven,

Nice image beautifully drawn.

I thought that discourse between Gadiah and Jesus was excellent and so true. That was an excellent piece you found and the thanks for the advise in the other post, I think that is true.

The following is So true.

 

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." Jesus smiled, saying: "You are an admiring pupil, but these teachers are not minded that you and I should instruct them. The pride of unspiritualized learning is a treacherous thing in human experience. The true teacher maintains his intellectual integrity by ever remaining a learner."

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Sevens

Posted: Today at 01:51
Hi Anum,

Dalamatia City, the First place of civilisation is found submerged right in the middle of the Southern Persian Gulf.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com

I believe what is hidden is now being revealed for the first time.  A discovery that will change all things on this planet and part of a process that was foreseen by all the prophets.

Dalamatia City, the triangle city

Everything that you see in the image is explained in the new Book and can be seen in the images.  I believe its all in prophecy.  Soon, one day it will be verified in what will be the  greatest adventure for the families of the planet.  It is designed to find commonality in all the books rather than differences.

I believe this place is part of the EMPIRE of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN/PARADISE, same thing.

This is the Empire of the Universe raising its physical voice through a discovery and enlightenment through the signs of discovery and books which go back right to the beginnings of all civilisation.

The united Midwayers (Since pentecost) or the Deaves are all involved in bringing this out to the open, it is part of the adjudication of the Ancients of Days of the last rebel left and his rebel friends who are interned.  Dalamatia City is the place where the default of the Sons of God occurred.  We going back to the beginning to find the end in Jesus words according to Thomas.  All mankind has an opportunity to place himself at the beginning where the end shall be!

Today, the Untied Midwayers 1,111 of them are the combination of the primary midwayers who where born in Dalamatia City 500,000 years ago and the secondary midwayers where Born in North eastern Iran 38,000 years ago through the eldest son of Adam, Adamson and his wife RATTA where here linage came from this earlier and previous city.

However since both defaults of the Sons of God in Dalamatia City and Adam and Eve in 1stEden 2 thirds of all the midwayers where rebellious and interned for adjudication after Pentecost.  The both midwayers left are the United Midwayers who try to bring out truth and righteousness and are permanent residence of the planet.

Iran is stepped heavy with evidence that point back to these times and the government of Iran should get there act together in preserving these places rather than destroying the heritage of the ages under the guise of development but really its because of underlying doctrine and gross misinterpretation/understanding/limited view point working in ignorance to satisfy the powers at be.

I believe that the secondary midwayers were born in this location given in the following link

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/Adamsons/

and the highland triangle hidden valley of Van

And here I believe this is VANS triangle/circle temple where the tree of life was kept for thousands of years.  The small image to bottom right corner is the circular foundations of submerged Babel within a triangle chevron built in Dilmun by the Nodites, this city was built by the rebellious Sons of God after the first default of their estate.  Dilmun is where the story of Atlantis comes from, many of the refugees went to Egypt and kept the story of the their culture and then given to Plato.
 

If anyone who lives nearby the area wants to physically verify the places for me let me know.

write to me, it would be a grand adventure for yourself and part of the operations of Paradise and the Sevenfold mission on this planet.  Also you're name will be written in the annals of Paradise, here and in Paradise embracing all the universe.

If you live around Tehran, go for a drive on your own expedition and find the places in the images and let me know what you find, take heaps of images with your camera. No one has be a scholar to find these places just walk in faith of Paradise direction and protection.

Discovery and enlightenment with mutual commonality using all the books is the desire of paradise for mankind rather than death and destruction and its accompanying rhetoric and rebelliousness in opposition to the ideal of Paradise.

Jamshid is a very far distant of Van, the custodian of the tree of life between the destruction of Dalamatia City right up to the construction of 1st Eden of which Van built and designed. 

What we see in the images in his old highland headquarters in Iran.

regards

Sevens

 

posted 01-25-2008 12:41 AM                      

Why end of story

I think its far from that.

Here is a piece from the UB that relate waves to the ultimaton.... your right wirelessguru1, its waves and its part of the electron and also part of the structure of the electron which the embraces the ultimaton and its wave manifestations.

 

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Wavelike energy manifestations--from the standpoint of twentieth-century Urantia scientific enlightenment--may be classified into the following ten groups:

1. Infraultimatonic rays--the borderland revolutions of ultimatons as they begin to assume definite form. This is the first stage of emergent energy in which wavelike phenomena can be detected and measured.

2. Ultimatonic rays. The assembly of energy into the minute spheres of the ultimatons occasions vibrations in the content of space which are discernible and measurable. And long before physicists ever discover the ultimaton, they will undoubtedly detect the phenomena of these rays as they shower in upon Urantia. These short and powerful rays represent the initial activity of the ultimatons as they are slowed down to that point where they veer towards the electronic organization of matter. As the ultimatons aggregate into electrons, condensation occurs with a consequent storage of energy.


3. The short space rays. These are the shortest of all purely electronic vibrations and represent the preatomic stage of this form of matter. These rays require extraordinarily high or low temperatures for their production. There are two sorts of these space rays: one attendant upon the birth of atoms and the other indicative of atomic disruption. They emanate in the largest quantities from the densest plane of the superuniverse, the Milky Way, which is also the densest plane of the outer universes.

4. The electronic stage. This stage of energy is the basis of all materialization in the seven superuniverses. When electrons pass from higher to lower energy levels of orbital revolution, quanta are always given off. Orbital shifting of electrons results in the ejection or the absorption of very definite and uniform measurable particles of light-energy, while the individual electron always gives up a particle of light-energy when subjected to collision. Wavelike energy manifestations also attend upon the performances of the positive bodies and the other members of the electronic stage.

5. Gamma rays--those emanations which characterize the spontaneous dissociation of atomic matter. The best illustration of this form of electronic activity is in the phenomena associated with radium disintegration.

6. The X-ray group. The next step in the slowing down of the electron yields the various forms of solar X rays together with artificially generated X rays. The electronic charge creates an electric field; movement gives rise to an electric current; the current produces a magnetic field. When an electron is suddenly stopped, the resultant electromagnetic commotion produces the X ray; the X ray is that disturbance. The solar X rays are identical with those which are mechanically generated for exploring the interior of the human body except that they are a trifle longer.

7. The ultraviolet or chemical rays of sunlight and the various mechanical productions.

8. The white light--the whole visible light of the suns.

9. Infrared rays--the slowing down of electronic activity still nearer the stage of appreciable heat.

10. Hertzian waves--those energies utilized on Urantia for broadcasting.

Of all these ten phases of wavelike energy activity, the human eye can react to just one octave, the whole light of ordinary sunlight.

The so-called ether is merely a collective name to designate a group of force and energy activities occurring in space. Ultimatons, electrons, and other mass aggregations of energy are uniform particles of matter, and in their transit through space they really proceed in direct lines. Light and all other forms of recognizable energy manifestations consist of a succession of definite energy particles which proceed in direct lines except as modified by gravity and other intervening forces. That these processions of energy particles appear as wave phenomena when subjected to certain observations is due to the resistance of the undifferentiated force blanket of all space, the hypothetical ether, and to the intergravity tension of the associated aggregations of matter. The spacing of the particle-intervals of matter, together with the initial velocity of the energy beams, establishes the undulatory appearance of many forms of energy-matter.

The excitation of the content of space produces a wavelike reaction to the passage of rapidly moving particles of matter, just as the passage of a ship through water initiates waves of varying amplitude and interval.

Primordial-force behavior does give rise to phenomena which are in many ways analogous to your postulated ether. Space is not empty; the spheres of all space whirl and plunge on through a vast ocean of outspread force-energy; neither is the space content of an atom empty. Nevertheless there is no ether, and the very absence of this hypothetical ether enables the inhabited planet to escape falling into the sun and the encircling electron to resist falling into the nucleus.

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As far as Im concerned its all waves, end of story ahahahahahah/

sevens
 

posted 01-25-2008 01:52 AM

Here is some clues to the unknown powerful force that creates cohesion with an electronic system including the atom

 

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8. ATOMIC COHESION

While gravity is one of several factors concerned in holding together a tiny atomic energy system, there is also present in and among these basic physical units a powerful and unknown energy, the secret of their basic constitution and ultimate behavior, a force which remains to be discovered on Urantia. This universal influence permeates all the space embraced within this tiny energy organization.

The interelectronic space of an atom is not empty. Throughout an atom this interelectronic space is activated by wavelike manifestations which are perfectly synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions. This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction; its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute.

The charged protons and the uncharged neutrons of the nucleus of the atom are held together by the reciprocating function of the mesotron, a particle of matter 180 times as heavy as the electron. Without this arrangement the electric charge carried by the protons would be disruptive of the atomic nucleus

 

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These are the things about the mesotron was verified after these writings came to pass in 1934 and the unknown powerful energy that binds all have to verified in a lab in relation to the ultimaton.

We have to discovery the ultimaton to proceed to the next level.

Sevens
 

Ammageddon forum Sat 26 08

Not to sure about your assertion, there is much more behind this city than you could imagine.

Actually I think people will be afraid to go there.

Because it will mean great changes that will lead to truth.

Thats what this city is all about Truth, not crap like we see everywhere in every place.

Actually there is unfinished business there concerning the higher levels of existance in the other dimension.

Many people could get there nose bent out of shape of what this city represents.

I wouldn't underestimate anything or just fob it off typically about this city because it might come back to bite you. This place and its discovery and what happens was foreseen but you will have to research that.

In my opinion this city represents the end of the line for all the crap man had to endure over the eons. The Buck will stop at this city where the fat lady will really sing!!

Sevens

posted 01-26-2008 03:30 AM Confirmation of dematerializing matter

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Sevens, what is "holding together a tiny atomic energy system" is the nuclear force not gravity!

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I agree I don't think its gravity but like you say a nuclear force.

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Also, "space" cannot be "empty" by definition because space is just a WAVELENGTH!!!

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Yes I agree to primordial ultimatons permeate space and emit a wavelength from within itself. Space is not empty!

Its all wavelength, one big wavelength. I agree with you. I think man has go deeper and wider than just quarks, gluons and nuons.

What your saying seems to reflect this

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1. Infraultimatonic rays-- the borderland revolutions of ultimatons as they begin to assume definite form. This is the first stage of emergent energy in which wavelike phenomena can be detected and measured.

I found this paper interesting

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper42.html

I thought this was an interesting comment

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There is innate in matter and present in universal space a form of energy not known on Urantia. When this discovery is finally made, then will physicists feel that they have solved, almost at least, the mystery of matter. And so will they have approached one step nearer the Creator; so will they have mastered one more phase of the divine technique; but in no sense will they have found God, neither will they have established the existence of matter or the operation of natural laws apart from the cosmic technique of Paradise and the motivating purpose of the Universal Father.

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I believe this technique is the dematerialization and transmutation of matter by the discovery and manipulation of the ultimaton and its axial spin.

I just read on further and here is what I discovered that relate to the above comments.

 

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Subsequent to even still greater progress and further discoveries, after Urantia has advanced immeasurably in comparison with present knowledge, though you should gain control of the energy revolutions of the electrical units of matter to the extent of modifying their physical manifestations --even after all such possible progress, forever will scientists be powerless to create one atom of matter or to originate one flash of energy or ever to add to matter that which we call life.

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Amazing I right on track with my thoughts.

In this fragment lays the serious clues for our future

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though you should gain control of the energy revolutions of the electrical units of matter to the extent of modifying their physical manifestations

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That was the Kicker....GOAL

Here is another clue including all the elements that make up the formula. This should be easy for scientists.

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Matter in all universes, excepting in the central universe, is identical. Matter in its physical properties depends on the revolutionary rates of its component members, the number and size of the revolving members, their distance from the nuclear body or the space content of matter, as well as on the presence of certain forces as yet undiscovered on Urantia.

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This line of thinking should be considered and perused by physicists, it probably why they are stuck and confused in some areas especially in areas of quantum theories.

1. Ultimatonic matter--the prime physical units of material existence, the energy particles which go to make up electrons.

and here is what the formula should consist of

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Throughout all of this never-ending metamorphosis of energy and matter we must reckon with the influence of gravity pressure and with the antigravity behavior of the ultimatonic energies under certain conditions of temperature, velocity, and revolution. Temperature, energy currents, distance , and the presence of the living force organizers and the power directors also have a bearing on all transmutation phenomena of energy and matter

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However there two other components "living force organizers and the power directors" Im not sure how to include that in the formula.

So far we have in the formula:

temperature, velocity, and revolution.

and

Temperature, energy currents, distance

And here is a clue to the size of the ultimaton.

 

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The quantity of energy taken in or given out when electronic or other positions are shifted is always a "quantum" or some multiple thereof, but the vibratory or wavelike behavior of such units of energy is wholly determined by the dimensions of the material structures concerned. Such wavelike energy ripples are 860 times the diameters of the ultimatons, electrons, atoms, or other units thus performing. The never-ending confusion attending the observation of the wave mechanics of quantum behavior is due to the superimposition of energy waves: Two crests can combine to make a double-height crest, while a crest and a trough may combine, thus producing mutual cancellation.

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There is a clue here for the current confusion of scientist in Quantum mechanics.

Perhaps dividing the wave like emission from the electron by 860 gives you the diameter of the ultimaton? Working on that, perhaps we can work out the velocity of the revolutions of the ultimaton?

and here is another clue in calculation of the size of hydrogen atom and its electron.

 

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Each atom is a trifle over 1/100,000,000th of an inch in diameter, while an electron weighs a little more than 1/2,000th of the smallest atom, hydrogen. The positive proton, characteristic of the atomic nucleus, while it may be no larger than a negative electron, weighs almost two thousand times more

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So an Electron is 1/2,000th of the size of a hydrogen atom which is 1/100,000,000th of an inch in diameter. However the proton is 2000 times heavier.

So the Electron would consist of 100 ultimatons huddling and vibrating.

The hydrogen atom size = 1/100,000,000th inch
The Electron = 1/2,000th of 1/100,000,000th inch
The Ultimaton could be ??????? but there is a hundred in an electron.

Another clue

 

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The electronic axial revolutions and their orbital velocities about the atomic nucleus are both beyond the human imagination, not to mention the velocities of their component ultimatons. The positive particles of radium fly off into space at the rate of ten thousand miles a second, while the negative particles attain a velocity approximating that of light .

This maybe the clue to unending energy harnessed by adding 101 electrons to a revolving system.

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In Orvonton it has never been possible naturally to assemble over one hundred orbital electrons in one atomic system. When one hundred and one have been artificially introduced into the orbital field, the result has always been the well-nigh instantaneous disruption of the central proton with the wild dispersion of the electrons and other liberated energies

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Instead of smashing the Electron why not formulate a 100 electron system and then just add one more electron to the system to create disruption and harness the energies that are released from the disintegration.

Maybe we are going about it the wrong way currently??

And lastly a little bit about the Sevenfold and the Universe we live in

 

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9. NATURAL PHILOSOPHY

Religion is not alone dogmatic; natural philosophy equally tends to dogmatize. When a renowned religious teacher reasoned that the number seven was fundamental to nature because there are seven openings in the human head, if he had known more of chemistry, he might have advocated such a belief founded on a true phenomenon of the physical world. There is in all the physical universes of time and space, notwithstanding the universal manifestation of the decimal constitution of energy, the ever-present reminder of the reality of the sevenfold electronic organization of prematter.

The number seven is basic to the central universe and the spiritual system of inherent transmissions of character, but the number ten, the decimal system, is inherent in energy, matter, and the material creation. Nevertheless the atomic world does display a certain periodic characterization which recurs in groups of seven--a birthmark carried by this material world indicative of its far-distant spiritual origin.

Page 480 This sevenfold persistence of creative constitution is exhibited in the chemical domains as a recurrence of similar physical and chemical properties in segregated periods of seven when the basic elements are arranged in the order of their atomic weights. When the Urantia chemical elements are thus arranged in a row, any given quality or property tends to recur by sevens . This periodic change by sevens recurs diminishingly and with variations throughout the entire chemical table, being most markedly observable in the earlier or lighter atomic groupings. Starting from any one element, after noting some one property, such a quality will change for six consecutive elements, but on reaching the eighth, it tends to reappear, that is, the eighth chemically active element resembles the first, the ninth the second, and so on. Such a fact of the physical world unmistakably points to the sevenfold constitution of ancestral energy and is indicative of the fundamental reality of the sevenfold diversity of the creations of time and space. Man should also note that there are seven colors in the natural spectrum.

But not all the suppositions of natural philosophy are valid; for example, the hypothetical ether, which represents an ingenious attempt of man to unify his ignorance of space phenomena. The philosophy of the universe cannot be predicated on the observations of so-called science. If such a metamorphosis could not be seen, a scientist would be inclined to deny the possibility of developing a butterfly out of a caterpillar.

Physical stability associated with biologic elasticity is present in nature only because of the well-nigh infinite wisdom possessed by the Master Architects of creation. Nothing less than transcendental wisdom could ever design units of matter which are at the same time so stable and so efficiently flexible.

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Amazing!!!!

Sevens
 

http://forums.armageddononline.org/dalamatia_city_discovery-t13225.html 28th Jan 08

lycanox

Don't forget that whatever lied there as proof. Had to survive for a long time in the sand or water.

True, thats why we have to go there and verify the place. But the place is exactly where its supposed to be. The connecting clue are the 3 co planar circles, these circles can be found in two other locations, in North Eastern Iran and 1stEden of Cyprus on top of the Acropolis Hill. Its all part of a giant story of mans origins.

All the places are exactly where its is described...That's the phenomena and is apart form any other discovery as these discoveries where led by books of religion from the past. I believe its part of the great mystery. It might be a sign for man to get of his skeptical ass (not you) and do something to prove and get on to it and save us all from the BS that currently comes from the mouth of man.

Thanks for replying I appreciate it.

By the way I am fascinated how you came with the Circle and triangle chevron. What inspired you to use those shapes?? namely the circle and triangle?? I think that's cool and connects with my research, especially with Babel/Dilmun submerged in the North Eastern Persian Gulf that uses the same chevron in design of its own circular temple which was Babel.

Here is another image of the anomalies of Dalamatia City overlooking the Southern side of the temple and this circular junction. This couldn't be natural...no way.



I just want to say that these places where discovered using a new book not written by man. Essentially its a complete restatement of religion with discoveries to boot. The demonstration will reveal itself of itself within the books. Currently all religion is shallow with a shallow viewing that is unattractive. The new book changes all that and leads to an update in religion and its knowledge.

In saying this this journey does connects to many truth fragments contained in all the books of religion. It does not exclude the river of truth running down the ages meaning all the books of religion.

But as you know these days the main religions have currently a limited view on all many things concerning our history.

Personally, I would like to do an expedition out there with a boat load of skeptics and atheist because I know I can prove the case of God and his existence also current religions are to gutless to do anything about discovering expanded, deeper and wider truth. However, I know the Atheists might enjoy the challenge or contest and it could be public, in the eyes of the world, the great contest. I know the skeptics will be unable to get around this restatement of religion for the future planet even religion these days in their narrow mindedness will run from the truth to save their ineffective crystallized outdated doctrine and dogma.

The new book has already proved the case of 1stEden of Cyprus. Literally.

I want to add that anyone is welcome to be part of this journey, no one is excluded including the greatest atheist. I invite them with open arms in a huge journey/study. Personally, I think they do make valid points. I feel religion in the current state have no answer for there assertions except running blindly in false faith. That response is completely insufficient in today's climate. I feel religion looks shallow and embarrassing and its more about group psychic phenomena than anything else and bad interpretation and shallow presentations where people are dumbed down rather than upstepped. However, I do believe in the existence of the Holy Spirit but I feel its operation with the soul of man is very restricted due to closed mindedness and a severe lack of knowledge due to rubbish interpretations from religion. Like the earth is 6000 years old, we know that is rubbish! The earth has followed the evolutionary/creational path for billions of years and the scientists are right, dead right and with the right information coupled with discovery using the scientific method much more information will be available for them to use effectively that will bring about positive solutions for us and the planet.

All we have to so is demonstrate the fact of these lost cities and demonstrate fact and the source information.


All the best, thanks for the reply

Sevens

http://forums.armageddononline.org/adam_and_eve-t8009.html?p=188732#post188732 Sep 28th Jan 08 4:56 PM

I think the first Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve defaulted and left to the east of the Garden lays in the following link. After the default they went to the 2nd garden that he built by the sweat of his brow.

http://dalamatiacity.com/EdenGates/

The 3 co planar circles are the connecting link to all the cities of relevance to our origins.

1stEden goes back 38000 years

sevens

http://forums.armageddononline.org/adam_and_eve-t8009.html?t=8009&highlight=eden Sep 28th Jan 08 10.40 am PM

I agree but I feel the 1st Eden lies to the West and the land between the narrowest part of Tigris and Euphrates is where the 2nd garden was built. Adam and Eve left by the East gate in migration to the 2nd Garden.

I just want to say that the wall of 1stEden has been verified through 2 expeditions and we were led there by the new book as prophesied in Revelations in conjunction with all the other books. Its has been proven also there are many other anomalies a short distance to the North.

In light of this discovery its is religions responsibility to get involved in either to disprove or prove but through the scientific method with hard evidence not conjecture and blind faith information that goes no where.

However about the position of Dilmun I think is spot on, perhaps to the east a little more but submerged. I calculate that this place sunk around 12000 years ago.

Below is a link to some on the run research regarding Dilmun. I believe this is where the Atlantis Story originated from and passed on to Egypt through migration and then passed on to Plato with his thoughts.

http://dalamatiacity.com/dilmun

Here is a thumbnail of Babel in Dilmun in the land Bablot at the time 150,000 years ago.
Built by the fallen Sons of God



Here is a gallery done in Bryce using the NASA worldwind results.

http://dalamatiacity.com/babel/gallery/index.htm

cheers
Sevens

posted 01-27-2008 06:07 PM

No way Brig, Geogeous hasn't got a thing except theory also he is researching in a time close to out time.

The Atlantic is not the place of the Gods. Just no way man as the places of the Gods go much further back in time.

The Atlantis theory in the Atlantic has not been proven at all. and never will be.

No one has found evidence that stretch back 100,000 plus more years.

The Atlantic idea is just all conjecture hoping that one day evidence will be found but it will never be found.

Its the Persian Gulf Brig and in the meanwhile the presentation will get stronger and stronger and will swallow all the theories.

All you guys are all in the wrong place with wishful nationalistic thinking.

You all haven't got enough to prove nor to convince on an objective level.

All the best but its a theory that will sink and you guys will hold on to the mast no matter what and that's the futility of a unlearning minds with nothing to offer in light of truth and data. Its just pride filled mate..sorry!

Smiley for a Christian. Im surprised you hold on to futility as you have shown nothing for yourself that backs your shallow opinions. You dont offer a thing that is convincing either just statements, big deal! where is the hard evidence! Save the talk. Show me an image/data or something that I can actually look at, like I have asked many times but never fulfilled.

I reckon all you guys should put your money where your mouth is and your life on line and prove yourselves worthy the discovery of Atlantis rather than the arm chair nothing!

Can Plato Be Corroborated?
No.. Not of Spain, not on the Spratly islands nor in the Atlantic.

Can Plato Be Corroborated?
Yes!!!!!! through the Dilmuns (circa 200,000 - 12,000) in the Persian gulf and its associated earlier city pointing to the first City of all civilisation, Dalamatia City! A myth that migrated to Egypt after the destruction of Dilmun 12000 years ago and then to Plato around 2500 years ago.

That's the story.

Brig Yes There was an opposition culture which was the Van/Admason civilisation and they were the JAVAN or THE YOUNG or in Dutch, DE JONG (the young) and they were progeny of the eldest Son of Adam and saw the Nodite/Dilmunite/Atlantis as the enemy or the giants being the progeny of the fallen Sons of God. The Javan where the loyal ones to ideals of Paradise.  The Javan became the Greeks over time.

This conflict between the Javan and the Nodites go back to the first city, Dalamatia in the Persian Gulf. The conflict that Plato records and still rages today but I'm afraid the Nodites have the upper genetic hand but they will fall because they dont listen because of pride filled and unlearned attitude.

The conflict that Plato records like in the BIBLE. Atlantis is really where Dilmun and Babel was built, it all goes to Babel and its circular features.

Following Atlantis you all essentially become Babel followers ahahahaha. By the way the Atlanteans where pride filled and very ruthless leaders, they were crappy and cruel to their fellow man and went out of there way to SIN, that was there goal, to actually SIN against man.

They degraded themselves through the first default and lost access to the tree of life and this explains why they went into women to bear their giant progeny. The Giants are recorded by the Greeks outside of Plato!


Sevens

posted 01-28-2008 06:19 AM

When was Ziusudra around? 8000 years ago, a little different to 150,000 when the 2nd Dilmun was built by the Nodites. Dilmun in North Eastern Persian was destroyed 12,000 years ago. It seems obvious the migrants from Dilmun that was destroyed just simply passed on the name to Bahrain in our later history and called there new land Dilmun, in remembrance of the lost city and culture.

Exactly the same can be said about Babel which was in Dilmun where 2 attempts was made to build it, in that place and where a third attempt was made in Mesopotamia. Again the name of significant monument migrated to another place of their migrating progeny.

Names of cities migrating to other places in remembrance of the past by the ruling people. Nothing new.

New York/New Amsterdam is a good example of migrating names of new cities migrating with the ruling powers at the time.

Exactly the same can be said about the Atlantis Story, it migrated to Egypt from the 2nd Dilmun with the migrating progeny. Dilmuns all over the place, 3 I can count through 3 different time periods.

By the way Noah's flood never flooded the whole world. That is just false doctrine introduced while the Jews were in captivity because they felt abandoned. Christians are dead wrong when it comes to that notion of a worldwide flood and should get there act together regarding the real truth of the history of the planet. Like that 6000 years the earth was made notion, utter rubbish leading normal people astray with false notions and teachings regarding history including the process being BOTH creational/evolutional. Evolution through a creative process as which can be seen in over view of the creation story, evolution over a process of time with creative purpose in the billions of years of planet building.

Evolutionist are right but they should explore the creative purpose and will over the evolutional time period. At the end of the day this research will prove all cases as being expressed.

I hate to say this but Atheists in there criticism of Christianity and the belief system are correct in some aspects and Christians have very little come back and are like sitting ducks because they are not deep and wide in their field of vision and that's because of a lack of objective teaching and wrong doctrine.

But I know the Atheist will not and cannot get around the new book of Paradise which is the Urantia Book they will all fall in there theories because The Urantia Book is proving itself of itself in the demonstration which includes all the ancient cities of the world in a history we know very little about.

Christians also have to understand that the Bible is not complete and is foreseen to be corrected by a new book which is opened in conjunction with all the books of religion which includes books outside the Bible.

The great change here is all our knowledge of everything being expanded in a deeper and wider way that can be demonstrated in the physical and the spiritual...a completion!


Sevens

posted 01-28-2008 04:18 PM

Hey Smiley

 

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The reason we haven't found it is because it was completely and untterly destroyed. In otherwords, it DOESN'T EXIST any more - anywhere. It is beneath the ocean somewhere.

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To me that is the easiest thing to say and all based on faith which is not good enough in light of other research. Its unsustainable!

Sorry I dont buy the explanation at all. Why should I believe what you say as you have no scientific evidence to front.

Why I dont believe you is For example, If you lower the sea by 120 you only get an extra 360 ft lower sea level that reveals nothing in the Atlantic.

Also I want to add that the time frame all you guys are working on only extend to 2500BC or so which only means a lower sea level of around 15 meters or so. Insufficient to reveal the land mass of Atlantis in the time frame you are working on.

 

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We also have to remember that the oceans were so much lower, that even the continents themselves extended far out beyond where they are now. We don't know just how close Atlantis was from the continents, but my guess is that it wasn't that far. I believe that one could actually stand on the continents of Europe/Iberia/Africa and actually see it - maybe at a distance, but it could be seen. I believe the other "islands" to the opposite continent could be seen from the shores of the Southern part of North America, and the Northern Parts of South America.

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Even Plato makes mention that the skeleton of Atlantis remains which pits against your recent post, even Plato disagrees with you. The islands in the Americas are only islands and there is no evidence of man except for stone anchors uncovered by Greg Little which go back 2000 years or so. It seemed like a good fishing haunt at the time. But aside from that there is nothing else that you can show regarding those islands and nothing that can convince people through the scientific method. Again if you lower the sea levels of Bimini by 120meters you only have a 360 ft island of no real size which does not fit the description of Atlantis and its topography.  There is not even a volcano close by.
 

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But, the biggest mistake I believe for so many in addition to saying the pre-flood and post-flood world are the same, is insisting that Atlantis is still with us - just like the Garden of Eden. Neither are with us any longer. The Garden of Eden has been veiled from human existence, and therefore, is unavailable and can never be found in human life.

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I disagree with your gross denial as the wall of 1stEden has been found and verified, the wall that is mentioned in the Urantia Book. We have verified the 1stGarden of Eden even though another expedition is required to further the study of the 3 co planar circles on top of the Acropolis.

One one hand you say Atlantis exists of Cadiz somewhere even though there is no great land mass uncovered if you lower the sea by 120m and then you say that Atlantis doesn't exist anymore. So which is it? So really there is nothing anywhere in the world and all we have to rely on is faith without any hard discovery.

Smiley I cant even believe what you say as your thoughts are full contradiction and your arguments do not stand up and is not sufficient.

The reason no one cant find Atlantis in the Atlantic is because it doesn't exist there and never has. Atlantis is located somewhere else like the Persian Gulf and 1stEden is of Cyprus.

Also the Noah's flood never flooded the whole world that is a fabrication and an expansion of a local event that actually did happen but only affected Mesopotamia and to the North as the mountain where greatly elevating creating more snow and melt water.  As story that was expanded for a purpose in 600BC by the Jews in Babylon to lift there national pride.

That notion of a world wide flood 8000 years ago is an utter fabrication and should be expelled as doctrine. That is leading people like your self in the wrong path regarding the history of the planet and also leads to opinions that make no sense on any level.

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But, the biggest mistake I believe for so many in addition to saying the pre-flood and post-flood world are the same, is insisting that Atlantis is still with us - just like the Garden of Eden. Neither are with us any longer. The Garden of Eden has been veiled from human existence, and therefore, is unavailable and can never be found in human life.

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Well that is false as the 1stEden according to the UB has been uncovered and verified. Robert Sarmast was/is on target regarding Eden and the Stone wall as mention in the UB was verified. It wasn't manmade as it was a stone wall that was described but was lived in by inhabitants within its enclosure and the anomalies of the rings on the Acropolis will prove that.

Unfortunately he never had enough funds to check it out.

Sevens
 

29th Jan 08 http://forums.armageddononline.org/dalamatia_city_discovery-t13225.html

lycanox Hi

Thanks for your reply, I personally think that Santorini is not Atlantis as that location and the thoughts that surround it is very recent in our planetary history. Thats is not to say an advanced civilisation of trade existed there. Not at all. But I feel its not Atlantis as Atlantis in the beginning was the home of the Gods and Santorini is late in our history to be that.

I personally think the Atlantis Story derived from the earlier 3 Dilmuns that where all inhabited by the Nodites and in later years the Andites who were part Nodite and Adamic genes.

Bahrain was the 3rd Dilmun, the 2nd in the North Eastern Persian Gulf and the 1stDilmun near the heads of the Persian Gulf near Dalamatia City.

Obviously when the inhabitants moved they carried the names of there cities and legends with them. Similar to New York or New Amsterdam a migrating name of earlier cities.

Also I want to add that I believe these places are the great Sign of change, expansion and correction for religion and for the world in general particularly in attitude towards one another. I feel the voice of Paradise is arising through truth and discovery and then enlightenment that will benefit mankind in the new world he is bound for. However, like in Noah's day being a local event that has been taken out of proportion by religion being only a local Mesopotamian event if man in general scoffs, spurns and takes no notice to himself and his ways I feel there will be penalty. I feel first will come the opportunity of enlightenment in the Jesus desire but if its all rejected then the penalty of the Father will arise.

But personally I feel it is futile that I express this because man will laugh it off anyway. In light of that all I say is that the sign as its being revealed runs in parallel to prophecy and must come to a point of conjunction and completion and then it fulfills. Al I say is that we should get out there through the scientific method proving these places as it could be for our good and our future individually.

About the circle and triangle, this symbol came from the ancient places and is present in the design of the cities. In this presentation there are two stories. The demise of Dalamatia City, the Journey of Loyal sons and the journey of the disloyal sons that still rule today. for how long? I dont know.

The symbol representing the loyal sons was the 3 coplanar circles and the disloyal one was the triangle and circle. The 3 coplanar circles can be found in 3 city locations deriving from Dalamatia City, the home of the Sons of God before their default. But after which the Nodites embraced the circle and triangle symbol and Van and his followers embraced the 3 coplanar circles. All symbols can be seen in the journey throughout all the cities

The journey is following of each of this symbolism and its paths.

One thing for sure, I know Paradise is not impressed of how this planet is going in the decisions and motives of their leaders and feels religion could learn a few things to and step out of superstition and get real with the facts and realistic to all mankind. This death and destruction underpinned by religion is completely unsatisfactory and man should get his act together but I don't he is going to do that because of his stiff necked attitude and fear (present company excluded) that drives him rather than the opposite.

And that's why prophecy does exist and it will come to pass.


all the best

sevens

posted 01-28-2008 06:29 PM

BTW Brig, The Nodites are mentioned in the Bible a pre civilisation before Adam and Eve and also the Bible mentions that Adam and Eve was expelled out of 1stEden to the east, through the Eastern Gate to build a new home called Eden in Mesopotamia "By the sweat of his brow"

Like the Dutch who called their new city New Amsterdam. The New in remembrance of the old.

Adam and Eve was only in 1stEden for only 142 years and then lived in 2ndEden that his family built for the remainder of his life which was a long time.

Also in 2nd Eden after Cain murdered Abel, Cain was expelled to the East, to the Nodites to fetch a wife and also bearing a mark of protection with a Sevenfold curse of protection from an opposing race. The location of these particular Nodites points to the Elam, where the Elamite Nodites lived and ruled in their cites. Cain was born in 2Eden after the default and during the construction of 2nd Eden and was also expelled to the East of Second Eden to the Nodite Elamites where Cain progeny founded great cities. Nimrod being one and could be a type for Cain.

Sevens

posted 01-28-2008 07:25 PM

Brig

You're just mad, The stone wall is written about and has been verified and its a stone wall as described with other anomalies about. Its as plain as day and you run the gauntlet of denial guided by pride and prejudice of your unsubstantiated thoughts, not even a link.

Unbelievable and yet you have nothing to show in your own research and yet I can demonstrate through deduction and through the aid of a new book in conjunction with other books including the Bible good sound logic and a definite thread that led to images to boot that NASA doesn't deny.

This is not Atlantis Rising in real truth and in light of discovery just a forum guided by those who will say anything to save themselves no matter how illogical it sounds and this doesn't bare the attitude of Jesus Christ as you follow.

Seek and you shall find is not a statement of blind faith and sitting on our backsides denying a true story that reveals things of benefit for mankind in the discovery and journey through all the books including a new book working with the Bible.

Jesus admonishes us through the Seek and you Shall find fragment to explore, inquire, always be learning, seek greater things of truth daily. When you scorn and spurn the Urantia Book and this journey be sure that you don't actually offend the angels, the Most High and Paradise thereby defiling the nature of your existence here on this forum and on this planet.

I wouldn't underestimate nothing that is being revealed in this current timeline because all will be revealed and if man just scorns and spurns then prophecy will fulfill itself running parallel to the journey and harvest will come and you may be left to think about things for a while and get your doctrine right even though you will murmur and complain as foreseen and exactly what is happening now!

No doctrine can replace attitude and motivation in the end times!


Sevens
 

posted 01-29-2008 11:31 AM

Well the facts are there are submerged cities in the Persian Gulf and in the Med which can be observed where the discovery was led by a book and verified by other books.

The fact is these cities do exist but do need an expedition in the verification.

The Fact is Atlantis in the Atlantic never existed and your ideas about Eden are ridiculous and make no sense at all, almost like religious superstition.

The fact is everything that you speak in your facts of sudden sea level rise has been taken into account and factors in well with the anomalies in the Persian Gulf even to the point of corresponding the depth of the cities with Date and actual sea levels at the time and as recorded in the new Book in its time stamp.

In addition, the lost city of Dilmun and its destruction matches perfectly to the time stamp of 12000-13000 years ago in the time period when Plato suggested Atlantis sunk. Its a perfect match based on available sea level data and normal logic.

The fact is that your ideas regarding Atlantis and Eden is up the creek.

and another fact is that you cant even debate or even oppose with logical sense the places in the Persian Gulf or even Eden so you just run for cover through Denial without looking at the facts or even producing opposing DATA and research. Hard to swallow.

Another fact is that 6 out of the Seven churches cop a rebuke from Paradise in the last days and that's a fact foreseen by John and I can see exactly why and that's a factor of gross Denial that I see.

Have you ever considered the fact that the Father would use Eden and the former things as a part of a complete demonstration? or even as a sign??? Or is that beyond yourself and comprehension.

Logically speaking your attitude in my mind is nothing short of insanity in light of research, evidence and truth. Its the same insanity that permeates throughout all the churches when it comes to accepting facts in the discovery that relates to the Book and Books of religion.

The last rebel has done over Christianity with the real deception that causes Denial and fear of truth. Unfortunately Atheist are having a field day on Christianity and Christianity cannot cope and respond except run and hide in their bunkers of crystallized doctrine and dogma and in that they deny truth as being revealed. Then they start the brain washing and accusing all people of being brothers of Satan if they have an idea different to theirs, a real defensive position of no way out.

The only way out for Christianity is to embrace the truth as seen in the prophecies and in the discovery. In this path Christianity can reply to the Atheists with confidence and vigor, a worthy response which counteracts the Atheist on his own turf of science, discovery and knowledge.

I believe the Ancient places in truth is the reply from religion to the Atheist. When that happens and which can be demonstrated the Atheist will then be in denial and he will run for cover in his own error and denial.

Honestly, at the end of the day what I say to Man through these posts are futile, its an exercise in futility. That is why prophecy exists and that is why the Father in Kingdom of Heaven will have to teach man the hard way, a severe path that will take all the false notions out of man and lead him to truth through correction that will bite his soul. Its the only way man will learn and only demonstrates the fact that Man is still a child and will be regarded as such.

I believe this is the current destiny of the Church as a complete body unfortunately correction through a correction path that will bite. Atheists and unbelievers, well they have no belief in this path of religion so they will not hear anyway. But the church in the Fathers mind is another story.

Then again by denying truth as it is revealed you become a part Atheist of no belief and no faith anyway...same camp! Thats why Jesus in the end time fails to recognize some that use his name and who fail to recognize his signs and thereby deny his truth...not mans truth but Jesus' truth and intent.

The Beginning of the End is at the Beginning.

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the Book of Thomas.

"Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death,"


Isaiah 46:10 The beginning and End Parallel

NASB: Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'

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Dalamatia City and Eden are all the beginnings and that's where the end will be. They have been discovered and revealed...I did my job and Robert Sarmast did his job. Now its up to mankind in his so called intelligence! to get his act together.

Mind you, Smiley and Brig you are the test case in attitude reflective of a wider response to the revealing truth of all things, that's all Paradise has to know and which has been foreseen and written about and in this case verified by the discoverers which has been expressed to Paradise with despair.



Sevens

http://forums.armageddononline.org/adam_and_eve-t8009p2.html?highlight=eden

30th Jan 7.05am

Nu Kua

Thanks for the kind words.

I hope you receive good value in the journey.

It would be good to go out there and have fun exploring these places in the physical.

I'd be a great discovery journey of everything! with much excitement and much anticipation if what will be verifies especially if we find inscribed on Stone slabs the Seven commands. Stone slabs that can be seen in the images, I believe that's where they exist.

The Stone Slabs in Dalamatia City, Southern Persian Gulf not to mention the verification of the 3 co planar circles, the temple in the middle of the city.



With 1stEden all we have to do is verify the 3 co planar rings that can also be seen in the following image.



It would be a great journey in the revealing of truth about the origins of mankind and his civilisation, the first places.

The Beginning of the End is at the Beginning.

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the Book of Thomas.

"Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death,"


Isaiah 46:10 The beginning and End Parallel

NASB: Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'

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The Seven creation tablets is a great link Nu Kua, alotta info there and good clues.
Enuma Elish- The Seven Tablets of Creation

Blessings
sevens

posted 01-29-2008 03:42 PM                      

ahahah thats a laugh Brig.

I doubt that!

Politics no way Atlante its to corrupted in this present system, I wouldn't last brother.

If I where to go into politics it would be in the new world forecast to come where politics would a different ball game, perhaps more of a world complete unity in truth and ideal but with varying ideas to benefit mankind.

Also feel that the profit motivation like we have today wont be part of the new world. I believe it will be more global and based on community but more on a spiritual sense in taking of one another despite who, were and what.

I would look more in developing a Uptoia on earth for man through the use of free energy systems where energy is harnessed from the manipulation of the radial spin of the ultimaton within the electron in order to create 100% anti gravity systems and propulsion systems that could be used in all heating, transport and other things requiring energy. I would replace all fossil fuels and leave it in the ground or even use it for asphalt, lubrication and plastics until we can find a clean alternative. I would ban the burning of fossil fuels in an eventual process consistent with the reduction of global dimming that we are also affected with. I would do this gradually so its not to sudden and too quick but I would work to replace fossil fuel appliances with newly develop Ultimatonic energy spin systems to provide the energy for the use required.

Another ultimatonic technique is create 100 electron system and the add one electron to the system whereby the system disintegrates and from that system disintegration we can harness the various energies from which are released. This could replace nuclear fission.

I would also use Ultimatonic Spin to dematerialize all our Nuclear waste by actually speeding up time by increasing the spin rate of the Ultimaton of the waste thus rendering it harmless lead. This technique could lead to time travel systems.

I would develop water collecting devices harnessing water from the atmosphere that can used in arid locations and be utilized in food growing systems and also introduce wave energy to desalinize water and to produce electricity in addition to the other methods. And I would have a lot of trees everywhere and bring nature back for the remaining species.

I would also introduce the development of NO THC hemp as that is a natural weed which can be used in a range products that is not harmful to the environment. I would develop the product to develop housing and panels for cars for all throughout the world.

I would develop easy to to build growing systems again using free ultimatonic energy to run these growing houses to save the environment. I would also not use any of that Monsanto seeds as that is an attempt by them using creation in order to corner the food chain for there own gross profit motivation.

I would ensure all/everyone inhabitants of the planet have the basics of food, water and housing as a basic in the design that they like using all of the above products and energy systems.  I believe this would lead to an Utopian world where all man has a better opportunity to find happiness which would create more love for another in truth, beauty and goodness.

However as grand as it seems this ideal is not compatible to the Babylon system and its ideal which we see today. Largely because of profit motivation and within responses of man to material things and how it can used to control others especially in allurement. I also feel that the compound interest structure set by the world banks and the fed is life death knell for man as it invites life time debt for many and many material entrapments that is a consequence of enticement for profit from others (sub prime) that has real spiritual consequence.

I can see clearly that the Babylon System and its ideal has largely failed man and is not sustainable. There are wars, many poor and uneducated people, religions on all sides are a mess and awash with unrealism and all sorts of personal motivations and doctrines that is inconsistent, the system has many homeless that line the streets, materialism and ego seems to be the goal. There are too many people in Jail/Goal and speed and crack and all that stuff is chemically altering the personality of man to a complete failure and in many cases to deplorable conditions. Division is rife everywhere and the state and the population seem to be divided even the religions. We have religious wars underpinning most wars and we are loosing the planet not to mention the many species of animal life. All due to Profit Motivation concentrating on the results without considering the mass consequence.

The Babylon/Nodite system has nothing to show for itself except in the death and destruction of many many things including mankind who still lives under fear. Even though there has been progress in many areas its still marred by attitude inconsistent to the ideal of the realm of Paradise. Remembering we don't own this planet we are physical representative of the Father and supposed to be physical custodians of this planet that we are loosing.

If the pearls where given to man in his current spiritual climate he would decimate the pearls of truth.

For this reason I feel Jesus has to come back first or some demonstration has to come pass with an attached voice from Paradise that is seen worldwide. For I feel the future will be a more spiritual and individual based on the ideal of Jesus as he expressed 2000 years ago, more of a spiritual/physical kingdom of a oneness like heaven on earth.

Anyway that's my view on politics and the current system at this time and the future society we bound for.

Hey I would do many things ahahahah

Atalante, All I can do is write about it until the harvest comes which I still think is soon. But after harvest it may be a completely different story. This time now and its relation to the ancient places is really about the sorting out of the future leaders of the planet for the future and those with out the minimum requirement of simple childlike faith will not make the grade regardless of doctrine nor religion.

The prime directive for this planet is "Love your fellow brother as you love yourself" a prime directive that is sorely missing.

Sevens

posted 01-29-2008 04:10 PM

Hi wireless

No I have not detected them and I don't know whether scientist have either, Im not sure. The answer lays within the electron.

I'm only using the Urantia information as lead of thought that could direct scientist to a great discovery, I feel if the book is correct in the ancient place I feel its correct in other knowledge. What I'm saying to scientists is just a have a look, perhaps look deeper into the electron or find some formula based on the UB info to prove its existence.

I'm just putting up my thoughts in relation to the ultimaton in the UB based on faith.

About the definition of the ultimaton I put that up also in the rapture thread based on the UB description. Thats all I can go on but from memory I think there was some UB researcher who made some interesting finds.

I have to look it up.

All the stuff that I post about the ultimaton has to be seeked out and research by all scientist involved in physics.

But I'm sure its where our answer lays.

The reason I posted the ultimatonic info recently was from an interview I heard whilst driving down from Queensland about nuclear waste and problems they have getting rid of the stuff. Then it came/occurred to me about the redial spin of the ultimaton and its effect on matter. Then I was inspired to seek the UB out further on the ultimaton. Then as I explored the UB I found my initial thought confirmed and got more excited about the prospect of ultimatonic spin as the answer to our problems relating to our nuclear waste matter.

Thats all it is bro

Me going through the book and paralleling as many things as I can find including my within myself thoughts and posting it up. Its all part of this grand journey in my view.

No one has believe anything I post and that is ok and I don't care for any following as that is a disaster for man from what I see in many cases... But if I have to go out there some how I will if that's the will of the Father.. no worries at all, however reluctant I feel about that prospect.

But from what I see there are many changes to occur and all I'm doing is speaking my thoughts in accordance to my journey within all the books of religion in harmonization with science no matter what it is.

All the best
Sevens

posted 01-29-2008 04:49 PM Racing to the 'God Particle'

Hey wireless

Thats cool and very intriguing. I hope they find the God aspect of the Electron and if they discover the ultimaton. Fantastic, that would be the way to a new future.

Gee bro

I just read the article


 

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And the payoff for whoever discovers the Higgs boson? Nothing less than a Nobel Prize. "Its discovery would be one of the crowning achievements of modern science, and validate decades of intense research," says John Conway, a professor at Rutgers University.

"We believe that the Higgs is the key to unlocking the mystery of the elementary particles: the quarks and the leptons. The standard model does not give us the answers to many questions: Why are there three 'generations' of matter particles? Why do they have the masses and electric charges that they do? The Higgs is believed to be related to the mechanism by which the matter particles get their mass, but there is no good theory yet as to why different particles have different masses.

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Why are there three 'generations' of matter particles?

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Like the 3 layers of the ultimatonic huddle within an electron and the full electron system whirling around an Atom.

If they discover this for real then that in itself will change many things for this planet.

That was a great post wireless, I enjoyed that very much, that and to me shows that our ultimatonic conversation is in parallel with the current direction of science and perhaps we may know the outcome in the beforehand through the UB. Lets see the results. If they discover that YEA! No wonder they are scrambling to find the answer,. They are detecting something and perhaps we are uncovering it in the spiritual level of the discovery. Remembering that this new energy has another component in its formula and that is the direction of the Sub absolute which is the Sevenfold spiritual component which is representative and is at the Paradise centre of the ultimaton huddle. Its that part that maybe reserved for the new world that has the right attitude. See what happens eh!

God being in all things!! for sure YEA!

Sevens

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2002/08/54507

Racing to the 'God Particle'

Lakshmi Sandhana 08.16.02 | 2:00 AM

Physicists from all over the world are racing to prove the existence of a particle that's surmised to be at the heart of the matter. Literally.

Dubbed the "God particle" by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman, the Higgs boson is a controversial particle believed to bestow mass on all other particles.

Scientists are hoping to discover traces of its presence in Fermilab's Tevatron, a 7-mile-long circumference particle accelerator that smashes opposing beams of protons and antiprotons around a circular track, sifting through the debris with two immense detectors called CDF and D0.

Because it plays a key role in the standard model of physics (the theory on which physicists base their whole understanding of matter), proving the existence or absence of the Higgs boson could rock the entire foundation of physics, indicating the existence of particles and forces not yet imagined and paving the way for an entirely new set of laws.

"The Higgs boson is interesting because it is the only reasonable explanation we have for the origin of mass," says Dave Rainwater, a researcher at FermiLab. "Without the Higgs, all fundamental particles would be massless, and the universe would be very different. The weak nuclear forces wouldn't be weak at all, for instance, so the elemental composition of the cosmos would be radically different, stars would shine differently, and we probably wouldn't exist."

The best experimental data on the Higgs boson so far comes from experiments done with the LEP collider at CERN, near Geneva, in 2000. Results indicated that the Higgs particle was too heavy to be detected by the collider and that it probably had a mass of 114 billion electron-volts (GeV). The Tevatron is expected to be able to spot the Higgs in a couple of years, if it is not heavier than 170 GeV to 180 GeV.

If all else fails, the Large Hadron Collider being built at CERN, scheduled to go online in 2007, is designed to guarantee discovery of the Higgs. With a 27-kilometer-circumference tunnel, the LHC will collide protons at seven times the energy levels of the Tevatron.

And the payoff for whoever discovers the Higgs boson? Nothing less than a Nobel Prize. "Its discovery would be one of the crowning achievements of modern science, and validate decades of intense research," says John Conway, a professor at Rutgers University.

"We believe that the Higgs is the key to unlocking the mystery of the elementary particles: the quarks and the leptons. The standard model does not give us the answers to many questions: Why are there three 'generations' of matter particles? Why do they have the masses and electric charges that they do? The Higgs is believed to be related to the mechanism by which the matter particles get their mass, but there is no good theory yet as to why different particles have different masses."

"One thing we expect the Higgs to open up is the question of supersymmetry," says John Womersley, co-spokesman of the D0 experiment at Fermilab. "Supersymmetry is a relationship between the particles of matter and the forces of the universe. Mathematically, it's beautiful. Not one piece of direct experimental data really supports it yet. Finding a Higgs in the place we expect would be a piece of evidence. Not finding it would be a big problem for the advocates of this idea.

"What would shake the foundation of physics much more than finding the Higgs would be a definitive 'ruling it out.' That would upset all of our conceptions about how the universe works. It would make supersymmetry something that, if it applies in the universe, does so only at much higher energies than we can observe. And it would require new forces or new laws to explain masses, in the absence of a Higgs."

The last stage in this three-stage relay race is a linear collider. While the LHC is guaranteed to make a definitive discovery or exclusion, it will not be able to measure the properties of the Higgs precisely. "There is an international consensus among the particle physics community that we would need another accelerator to go one step beyond and resolve the riddles ... nature gives us, (of) which we will have first insights from the Tevatron and the LHC," said Dr. Klaus Desch, a scientist at the University of Hamburg who is working on the European study for such a machine called TESLA.

"The linear collider will enable us to actually verify that the Higgs has exactly the properties we expect. We'll be able to test that it couples to each particle proportional to the mass," added Womersley.